/sci/ - Science & Math

[Wolfram No.1758067]

I'll just leave this here.

[Anonymous No.1758079]

AS EARTH CAN....?!?!

[Anonymous No.1758078]

as earth can...

[Anonymous No.1758092]

>a kind and just god
There's your problem. Few religions assume this.

Anyway, my understanding of judeo-christian religions is that Hell is not punishment per se, but rather the soul is so tainted by sin that it cannot join with God, a being of perfection, and since God is the source of all goodness, the absence of God is unimaginably horrible.

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i just leave this here ....

[Wolfram No.1758114]

Sorry, latex chopped it off.

[Anonymous No.1758128]

>>1758092
In this case, a living soul full of sin would be already in hell. Earth would be hell.

[Anonymous No.1758129]

But we start receiving penitence after judgement day, not straight after we die.

[Anonymous No.1758133]

>>1758114
why assume that S(t) is continuous?

I've hit some pretty low lows in my life before, where S(t) would be best described as S(t) = 1/(t-t_a) as t -> t_a

[Anonymous No.1758149]

I already have the concept of integrating a function over a lifetime. Except that mine is happiness, and I'm working to maximize that value. So far, it's working out.

[Anonymous No.1758158]

>>1758133
Because you're a mortal being, and your ability to sin is bounded by some value M.

[Wolfram No.1758182]

>>1758158
that was pretty cool, someone in the lounge i'm sitting came up with that same argument and I came to the same conclusion that from a hypothetical gods perspective, the human capacity for sin must be finite.

[Anonymous No.1758200]

>>1758182
The problem, OP, is that according to religion, there is a possibility that neither A nor P(t) are bounded and thus the integral doesn't converge, and will subject you to it whether you believe in him or not.
The good lord knows his calculus, even if Christians do not.

[Wolfram No.1758286]

>>1758200
in what way are you using "unbounded"? i must apologize for my lack of refined mechanical terms. isn't unbounded the caveat that P(t) must trend towards 0, allowing A to be infinite?

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[Anonymous No.1758339]

>>1758286
No.

[μαθμαν !!vnLoxcfyRGs No.1758349]

>>1758286
yes.
if a function does not trend to 0 and you integrate it to infinity, the result is infinity (plus or minus) or undetermined.
i.e. integral of sin(x) from 0 to infinity is undetermined.

[Wolfram No.1758652]

>>1758349
So then my math is sound, cause the math gives us one of three outcomes with the data we have.
1.) hell is a temporary residence for people (A is finite)
2.) hell is permanent, but suffering eventually ends (P(t) trends towards 0)
3.) god is a total douche bag (W>>>X)

[Anonymous No.1758689]

>>1758652
Yes, but option 3 doesn't necessitate that a lack of belief will nullify his existence.
By such a deity, both A and P(t) could potentially be unbounded to a sinner, whether he believes in him or not.
This is what drives people into faith.

[Wolfram No.1758713]

>>1758689
then just color me a more principled kind of guy. I'll not cave into tyranny if case 3 is true. I'll try and passively resist god. See how well that works me.

[Anonymous No.1758721]

>>1758713
A finitely powerful being vs. an infinitely powerful one?
Your human intransigence is astounding.

[Anonymous No.1758740]

S(t) should be the rate of sinning, and it has implicitly time in it, it shall be measured in sins per year or something so that when you integrate over time you get dimensions of sin

[Wolfram No.1758753]

>>1758721
color me stupid, i've still got my standards. I refuse to be intimidated

[Anonymous No.1758758]

>>1758753
Said the ant to the giant.

[Anonymous No.1758788]

1. Let a = b
2. So a^2 = ab
3. Let 2a^2-ab = a^2-ab
4. Becomes 2(a^2-ab) = 1(a^2-ab)
5. Divide a^2-ab from each side
6. Get 2=1
My teacher gave us a problem that was like this but a bit longer. He told us to find the step where he went wrong. POST MATH/LOGIC TEASERS.

[Anonymous No.1758801]

>>1758788

[Wolfram No.1758804]

>>1758788
step 5 division by zero and i think this is a much more enjoyable way to discuss religion than would otherwise occur.
>>1758758
arguments from power are unethical.

[Anonymous No.1758812]

>>1758804
Yep, anyone post more?

>>1758801
I dun get it

[Anonymous No.1758832]

>>1758801
+1

[Anonymous No.1758837]

>>1758804
Your point?

[Anonymous No.1758845]

>>1758801

the integral of secant isnt that and you end up with some natural log stuff so u cant evaluate it at 0

[Anonymous No.1758873]

>>1758845
No that's not it.

[Anonymous No.1759085]

>>1758801
dU = sin x <--- that is just nonsense.