/sci/ - Science & Math

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750267]

Ask a man who only sleeps 3h a day, by choice, anything.

[Anonymous No.1750278]

Are you a moral fag?

[Anonymous No.1750282]

Using the sleephacks thing? Does it work well? Does it interfere with school/work hours?

[Anonymous No.1750289]

>>1750267
How does this video make you feel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JaZCpksGLA&skipcontrinter=1
Angry?
Amused?
Sad?
Other?

[Anonymous No.1750286]

The power, how does it feel?

[Anonymous No.1750291]

Has it had any negative side effects?

[Anonymous No.1750292]

why would one choose not to sleep? I can't imagine anything better than being able to sleep 24/7 instead... Dreams > Reality and you know it.

[Anonymous No.1750298]

op is a liar or has no life. you cannot function in school or a workplace with so little sleep.

[Anonymous No.1750300]

Are you somehow implying you are special for this?
Come back when you sleep 3 hours over the course of two days.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750308]

>>1750292
I have had more memorable dreams than I have ever had sleeping monophasically. Remembering dreams > more dreams.
>>1750282
Interferes with my lounging around at lunch time. Instead of having beer at the local uni cafe I have to have a 20 minute nap. No one minds though when I leave and come back.
>>1750286
Not more powerful, but I do get a bit of time dilation.
>>1750291
Time dilation sometimes makes me loose track of what day it is. I often have to refer to a calendar. >>1750289
It makes me wonder why they are hitting the fire. Why would you hit fire?

[Anonymous No.1750313]

>>1750308
>implying you can't remember dreams with a more 'common' sleep schedule.

I just need to repeat the mantra "I will wake up after every dream" to myself and I will wake up shortly after every dream (that I'm aware of atleast) and make a quick keywords in a book next to my bed then continue sleeping and be able to recall all dreams fully the day after.

[Anonymous No.1750314]

>>1750308
they're sandniggers
no logic involved in any of their actions
ever

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750318]

>>1750298
I don't work, but I do fine in school. Lets me study more often. If I am feeling a little sleepy I will have an extra 15 minutes nap, eat, then study, and I am fine.
>>1750300
I am special. Someone who sleeps 3 hours over the course of 2 days is even more special. I will not compare myself to that.

[Anonymous No.1750319]

Just curious, what schedule specifically are you on? Because if I recall correctly the uberman schedule allows for 2 hours a day (6 20 minute naps 4 hours apart).

Oh, and I'd also like to know how you managed to get your schedule to work around it? That's the only thing stopping me from converting and I'm kind of envious of you. :P

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750333]

>>1750319
I am on 3h core sleep with 3x20min naps. I study engineering at university, so I organise my timetable so that I have breaks at lunch time. The one day a week I cannot nap at lunch time I simply skip the nap and replace it with a second nap after my next core sleep.

[Anonymous No.1750347]

>>1750333

So you technically sleep 4 hours a day. Still very impressive. I applaud your existence.

[Anonymous No.1750350]

>>1750267
Do you do that thing where you sleep one hour at a time? At different hours of the day?

[Anonymous No.1750356]

>implying OP isn't trolling you all into wreaking havoc with your health

[Anonymous No.1750365]

time dilation?

[Anonymous No.1750370]

>>1750365
Time behaves differently when you dont sleep enough.
Or at least, it feels like it

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750412]

>>1750365
Yes, it 'feels' different. IMO weeks go faster, but days go longer.
>>1750347
Technically 4h yes. If I said 4h in the first post no one would be impressed :P
I plan on cutting back to 1.5h core and 4x20min at midterm break. Every time I have cut down my sleep (I have done it gradually so far) It has taken about a week to get used to it.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750539]

>>1750319
I don't understand why people say they cannot fit it into their schedule. Go to bed before midnight wake up at 2-3am. Nap before work, nap at lunch break (every work has one, you don't go 8h without a break), then nap after work. Eat a quick meal before every sleep, and eat more in the early hours of the morning.

Just do it. Your pathetic will power and lack of moral support is the only thing holding you back. Or are you scared of trying something new? Is it strange and different, and thus it must be bad? That sounds like religious talk. Come on, this is /sci/. Different /= bad.

[Anonymous No.1750573]

What kind of effect does this have on your thinking processes / mental state? An obvious benefit is the time it saves but how does it affect problem solving ability, creativity, etc.? Does it make you feel detached / derealized / zombified in any way?

[Anonymous No.1750626]

you are an idiot and will die much shorter in your life because of your ridiculous disregard for the necessary processes that occur during deep sleep.

do some research before you attempt to troll intelligent people and you might look like less of an idiot.

[Anonymous No.1750642]

>>1750267
cut or uncut?

[Anonymous No.1750679]

enjoy your life expectancy reduced to the half op

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750703]

>>1750573
You feel zombified for a day or two, half way through the adaptation process, but once you have adapted (takes a week) you feel fine. Not only do I have anecdotal evidence that my mental state is fine, but there is scientific evidence (in case you don't believe me) by Dr. Claudio Stampi that states any mental decline within the adaptation period is soon revived.
He even found that the subject's mental capacity increased following a longer sleep within the cycle. This is why I periodize my sleeps so that I get 4/24h in 5 days a week, and I have an extra nap or two 2 days a week, generally on a sunday and Wednesday. I find that my mental state is increased by doing this.

[Anonymous No.1750705]

>>1750626
>>1750679

exactly. There's a reason why 99% of Earth's population follows the 8 hour sleep schedule. Don't pride yourself in thinking that you've discovered a Renaissance in sleeping technology.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750710]

>>1750626
>>1750679
What baffles me about these statements is this:
Those who argue my life expectancy will be cut short have no evidence to back that statement up. Not only this, but even if I have a shorter life expectancy, my overall 'awakened' life will be exactly the same. This, therefore means that I have more time spent awake in my young body, and less time spent as an old cripple. Therefore the quality of my time awake is greater than that of someone who sleeps more.

Yeah. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.1750714]

I actually KNOW someone who does this, so I can tell you all, OP is not lying.

Advantage: You get more done in a day.
Disadvantage: You will probably die younger due to an increased risk of heart disease and other nasty things, which sort of cancels out the advantage.

[Anonymous No.1750719]

OP, you sound like the biggest fucking douchebag.

Every one of your posts, every time you post on /sci/ makes you sound like a fucking asshole.

[Anonymous No.1750727]

>This is why I periodize my sleeps so that I get 4/24h in 5 days a week,

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.1750729]

>>1750714
>heart disease
[citation needed]

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750757]

>>1750729
Citations ARE needed. I am I perfectly normal human being, so if I DO die early from some disease, then my corpse will be scientific evidence for the effects of polyphasic sleep on human body. Therefore I am helping humanity. Good on me.

>>1750727
Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sat, I have a core sleep of 3h, and 3x20min naps.
Wed, Sun, I have a core sleep of 3h, 1-2 nap(s) straight after predawn-breakfast, and 3x20min naps throughout the day.

Its effectively the polysleeper's sleep-in. You can't extend the core sleep, otherwise you throw your sleeping habits out of whack. I have tested this. Better to have core+wake5min+nap+wake+nap+wake+nap, rather than core++++. Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.1750781]

I've got a friend who used to only sleep a couple hours a day, sometimes she wouldn't sleep at all.
She had to have a heart transplant at the age of 18.
Coincidence? I think not.

[Spanky Jefferson No.1750784]

While we're at it, ask someone who can sleep for 20+ hours at a time anything.

[Anonymous No.1750795]

>>1750757
Thanks, that makes perfect sense. I can see how that would make polyphasic a LOT easier. Gonna try using that schedule.

[Anonymous No.1750813]

Sounds cool but where the hell do you take said naps? In the bathroom?

[Anonymous No.1750814]

I'm starting to think you all actually like being trolled.
The large majority of "ask me" threads are not science-, or math-based. Please stop feeding the trolls.

[Anonymous No.1750817]

How do you deal with partying all night long?

[Anonymous No.1750828]

>>1750539
You forgot the fact that you can't skip a nap or you'll hit a wall

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750848]

>>1750813
I usually nap in the 'quiet room' at uni. I brought my own beanbag in, so I sleep on that. If you want to put in the effort you can get a notice from your doctor saying that it is a medical condition, and you can therefore regularly use the medical-bay's sick-beds.
If it is too light, I just put a blindfold on, and my beanie over the top of the blindfold.

>>1750784
Do you have a comparison between sleeping for 8 hours and sleeping for 20? Do you ever feel mentally sluggish or zombified? Does sleeping for that long ever give you bed-sores or an achy back? I would imagine being in a muscle-relaxed state for so long would cause postural problems, am I correct?

[Anonymous No.1750857]

>>1750757
>>1750710
>>1750703
>>1750412
>>1750333
>>1750318
>>1750308
>>1750267
Every picture in you've posted is childish. Every single one.

[Anonymous No.1750880]

>>1750817
Come on. This is the one thing holding me.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750881]

>>1750817
I pretend I am having sex with my girlfriend in the spare room. I have my core nap as usual, then I re-emerge 3 hours later with a big grin on my face and pretend nothing happened. No one suspects a thing.
>>1750828
You can skip A nap. If you skip more than one in 3 days you begin to feel sleep pressure and it will take another 3 days to get back on track.

If you do accidentally skip a nap, don't worry, just take your next nap at the same time as usual, then take a polynap sleep-in your next core sleep.

Pic related: my gf.

[Anonymous No.1750910]

>>1750881
Wtf "room"? We don't do those retarded indoors parties here, instead we wander about a lot. Or maybe just stay in a club, either way, it sounds difficult. Plus, alcohol/pot. And what the hell... how do you fall asleep when there's a party in the same house?

[Anonymous No.1750919]

>>1750881
Sleepfag: "Hold on right there, honey. Just hold that thought. Can we continue this in 20 min? I gotta take a nap."

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750936]

>>1750910
You learn to sleep through most noises, and fall asleep almost instantly. I fall asleep in 3-4minutes. A good trick is to roll your eyes back and forth randomly (however it feels best) to replicate REM eye movements, and then you tend to start imagining stuff and just fall asleep.

I admit I don't go to clubs, I don't like 'doof doof' music, and I have a girlfriend and a couple of good groups to hang out with, so I don't feel the need to go clubbing.

If I really really had to (or wanted to), I would simply skip my core nap, and replace it with 20 minute sleeps with the same intervals as my day-time napping. Pretend to go out for a smoko, put my jacket on to keep warm, and sleep for 20 mins in the car.

Dunno about pot. I presume E and most other club drugs would screw your sleep up, much like alcohol. I drink whiskey, but I make sure I drink just after I have napped (anyone say whiskey for breakfast?) so that I am almost clear of alcohol by the time of my next nap.

Pic related: my drugs.

[Anonymous No.1750938]

>>1750881
Is there a not-so-hardcore sleeping schedule? One that allows you to stay awake and high on saturday nights.

[Anonymous No.1750940]

>>1750910
OP is constantly sleep deprived. That's how.

I sleep 9 hours a day and find that I am extremely productive during that time frame, often solving many a complex mental problem and practicing skillsets. It's good shit.

[Anonymous No.1750946]

[Anonymous No.1750947]

>>1750936
Yeah, I was thinking about cars too. You do that thing too? Does it really work? Gotta try it out.

[Anonymous No.1750961]

>>1750936
how long have you been doing this 4 hours of sleep a night thing?

also, you started off saying it was 3 hr a day, then it was 4 hr.

are you sure it is actually 4 hr?

maybe its 5?

[Anonymous No.1750960]

>>1750919
Why even go to a party if you're sleeping the whole time.

[Anonymous No.1750975]

>>1750936
Does the thing about the white noise work? Heard of it before.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1750984]

>>1750961
3h core nap, 1h of naps. I don't count naps as sleep. That is purely perspective.
>>1750960
Any party worth going to will still be going at 2am in the morning. Sometimes it is MORE fun being completely awake at that time of night when everyone else is running on energy drinks and booze. You can seem like the party animal, to those who don't know you are polysleeping.

[Anonymous No.1750995]

>>1750984
how long have you been doing it?

i bet its only like 2 weeks or something.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751017]

>>1750975
White noise can be good for people who sleep too deeply to nap. I find listening to heavy rain stops me from getting to sleep within the 3-4min mark, so I dont get my 15min REM.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751020]

>>1750995
Been doing it 2 months now.

[Anonymous No.1751030]

>>1751017
Well I meant the bit about the awesome hallucinations, actually.

[Anonymous No.1751034]

>>1751020
how much did you sleep before that? were you always a "short-sleeper"?

I read that like 3% of the population has a gene mutation which allows them to only sleep 4-6 hours a night, instead of 8 like most people.

[Anonymous No.1751049]

>>1751017
I heard that REM was the only worthy phase of sleep.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751079]

>>1751049
As a teen I was always a long sleeper, and would try pack in 10 hours a night. As I grew up through high school I would have sleep on the train for 20-40mins and also on the way back. Napping came naturally as I was forced to stay up and do homework. When I first entered university I sunk back into the 10h sleeps, and got really lazy. Now I have picked up polyphasic sleeping, I have adapted to it quite easily from my previous napping experiences.

>>1751034
REM is the sleep that keeps your mind fresh and your body functioning. It is not the 'only' good sleep. Stage 3 and 4 sleep activate the immune system. I would assume people who do not have a core nap and only do 6x20min have a low immune response, and thus they could have hundreds of rampaging viruses and diseases in their body without them knowing, because the symptoms caused by 'fixing' these diseases do not appear. They assume they are healthy and thus REM is the only worthy sleep. I plan on keeping my core sleep, so that I have atleast 1 phase of deep sleep.
I am playing around with things like binaural beats to induce longer lasting deep sleep in my core cycle.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751173]

Well, goodafternoon.
I am going to go have my nap now.

[Anonymous No.1751211]

shouldn't your name be lackofsleepfag?

[Polyfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751265]

I will rename myself Polyfag. Humerus in multiple ways.

Back from my nap btw. Feelin good.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751307]

Nah, Sleepfag sounds better.

[Anonymous No.1751316]

I've been thinking of trying 30 minutes every 8 hours with 8 hours on saturdays (to keep the endocrine system and whatnot healthy). Waiting for a good time to adjust, though. Don't want to be deathly tired during school hours for a whole week or two.

[Sleepfag !!ykFtcyiNxHT No.1751350]

>>1751316
Good luck.

From existing evidence your plan should not work though. Read up on things a bit first.
You will most likely stop REMing after 15-20 minutes into your nap. Then you must deal with the problem of 30 minutes not equalling the 2h minimum needed to function without sleep debt.
Uberman 6x20 works because 6x20 is 2h of REM. Everyman works because 3h core sleep = 3 REM cycles, and 3 20 min naps = 2h REM total.
Let's compare this to 9h sleep, where 1st cycle doesnt count and REM occurs at the end of every cycle. 9/1.5 = 6. That is 6 cycles of sleep with an average of 20% of each cycle being REM sleep. 1.5*.2 = 0.3 and 0.3*60 is 18 minutes. Therefore you are getting 6* 15-20mins REM sleep in a normal 9h block. That's... 2h REM every 24.
Find a combination that allows you to have that 2h a day and you should be fine. Remember that sleep pressure builds, the longer you are awake. When there is large sleep pressure your mental integrity is not effected, but your focus IS. Most people don't have the will power or are unwilling to deal with the sleep pressure, so that is why we increase frequency of naps as much as possible.

Also you could not 'catch up' your REM debt with an 8h sleep on Saterdays, REM debt is not paid off linearly. Sleeping several nights in a row, normal sleep, is shown to be more effective at paying off REM debt than one very long catch up sleep.

[Anonymous No.1752611]

lol