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1697922 No.1697922 [Reply] [Original]

There is no God.

>> No.1697924 [DELETED] 

ALL HAIL THE HYNOTOAD

>> No.1697926

Stephen Hawking only makes the news now when he says something controversial.

>> No.1697931

ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD

>> No.1697927

[citation needed]

(before you fuckers start, I'm not saying there is one)

>> No.1697933

No shit, Sherlock.

>> No.1697939

Hawking rocks. I hear his recent work is a bit off tho. However, as I don't have a physics degree I cannot really comment on his work...

>> No.1697940

Some people I know are raging pretty hard that he said that.
Its pretty funny.

I do believe in a god but my view of him is primarily deistic.

>> No.1697942

He didn't even say that there was no god.

He only said what has been said for several years, but has even more theoretical evidence to support it, that the universe could and WOULD be created from "nothing," given enough time. That it is inevitable and completely possible without any gods or supernatural creators.

>> No.1697948

>>1697942
Well, that's just bad physics. Or a bad definition of "nothing".

>> No.1697951

>>1697942
>implying there was time 'before' the universe

>> No.1697953

>>1697951
>Implying our universe is important

>> No.1697961

>>1697953
What? That doesn't even make any sense...

>> No.1697969

>>1697948
lrn2 quantum fluctuation

>> No.1697978

>>1697961
He/she means this universe could be just a natural occurrence in a different quantum reality, or could be one of infinite universes.

>> No.1697982

>>1697922

Hawking has a pretty good reason to believe that...or at least to believe that there's such things as a "loving" god.

>> No.1697986

>>1697982

> there's no such thing

>> No.1697995

Ironic how many people get pissy when a scientist states what is obvious with the evidence we have, and states what the vast majority of all scientists support. Fucking religifags need to go read.

>> No.1698003

>>1697995
I'm not sure that Hawking's statement is widely supported.

>> No.1698042

>>1698003
In the scientific community it is. But in 'merica, of course it's going to make a huge splash. This is stuff we've known for a very long time now, but Americans are so behind the times they don't get it.

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1698043

>mfw physicists feel entitled to deduce the greater meaning of the universe, when this is analogous to a paint manufacturer feeling entitled to deduce the greater meaning of all art.

>> No.1698048

>>1698003
It is, only 7 % of scientists support the notion of a personal god, the rest are agnostic or "gnostic" atheists

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>>1698042
sussion in

>> No.1698131

>>1698043
why does there have to be a greater meaning to the universe? It exists that's all there is to it.

there is no need for a being to 'love' it into existance...

>> No.1698147

>>1698043
you dumb? Who else is entitled to say it other than those who study the universe itself?
and
>implying Hawking is an ordinary physicist

>> No.1698156

>>1698043
>mfw physicists feel entitled to deduce the greater meaning of the universe, when this is analogous to a person with a phD in psychology, art, and art history feeling entitled to deduce the greater meaning of all art.

fixed

>> No.1698158

>>1697922
no shit. you realize this is /sci/ yes?
/thread

>> No.1698160

>>1697922

OK BIG DEAL

SO HAWKING ARGUES THAT GOD DOESN"T EXIST BECAUSE HES IN A WHEEL CHAIR AND HANDICAPPED AND A GOOD GOD WOULDNT ALLOW THAT

old argument from evil or suffering, it never works you stupid atheists, try something rational

>> No.1698161

>>1697939
Newton > Hawkings
pfft bitches aint got shit on my apple

>> No.1698164

>>1697940
clockworker thoery ?

>> No.1698172

>>1697951
>implying without life there is time

>> No.1698173

>>1698147
True. He's not an ordinary physicist. He's a crippled scientist. They get extra rights.

>> No.1698181

>>1698173
suddenly theistic butthurt

>> No.1698190

He be trolling

>> No.1698433

>>1698160
Hawking isn't making this argument because he's disabled you twat. He is saying this because THATS WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS.

>> No.1698437

>>1698433
No he's not retard. No evidence says anything about God. Fuckwit.

>> No.1698522

>>1698437
just that he is not needed to create a universe...

>> No.1698543

>>1698437

The evidence doesn't say that there is no good, only that a god wasn't necessary for the creation of the universe.

>> No.1698577

>>1698543
No, it just says there is nothing required to go from the vacuum state and laws of Gravity to the big bang. It says nothing about God or if God is need for those laws to exist or operate.

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1698601

Religious leaders HIT BACK!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/03/hawking.god.universe.criticisms/index.html

>But the head of the Church of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams, told the Times that "physics on its own will not settle the question of why there is something rather than nothing."
>He added: "Belief in God is not about plugging a gap in explaining how one thing relates to another within the Universe. It is the belief that there is an intelligent, living agent on whose activity everything ultimately depends for its existence."

>Implying that said agent must be worshipped
>Implying that said agent should dictate your every move

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>>1698601
>Implying living in ignorance and disconnection from such agent won't lead to a pointless life.

>> No.1698615

Honestly I have no idea how someone claims to know or well just suggest what happen before the big bang.

>> No.1698618

>>1698601
>"It is the belief that there is an intelligent, living agent on whose activity everything ultimately depends for its existence."

Fails to mention the word 'supernatural', which leaves the Church in a simulation argument camp. Which makes them mathfags. Which makes god only a theory, a goose. Which makes them atheists.

Religion: Not told []
Told []
Told HARD [X]

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>>1698614
>Why should I listen to someone that isn't even near me

>> No.1698626

>>1698601
> Steven Hawking demonstrates with physics on its own why there is something rather than nothing.
>But the head of the Church of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams, told the Times that "physics on its own will not settle the question of why there is something rather than nothing."
I lol'd.

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>>1698618
Ohhhhhhmyyyyyylorrrrrrrrdd

>> No.1698631

>ITT acting as if the idea of no god is actually new

>> No.1698669

>>1698631
its new to theists

>> No.1698686

>>1698669
I think it is new to angst teens, that do not want to go to church and are not man enough to say "No"

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1698687

I like OP.

He managed to catch the verry essence of /sci/.

>> No.1698700

>>1698687

bet hawkins regular poster on /sci/

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>>1697922

soul = immaterial being


You idiots.

>> No.1699851

>Writing in the Times, Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks said: "Science is about explanation. Religion is about interpretation ... The Bible simply isn't interested in how the Universe came into being."The Archbishop of Westminster Vincent Nichols, leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, added: "I would totally endorse what the Chief Rabbi said so eloquently about the relationship between religion and science."
First booked titled Beginnings. Sure, we're not interested in how "things came into being"

>> No.1699862

“Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper [fuse] and set the universe going.”
-Stephen Hawking in The Grand Design

>> No.1699892

>>1697922
I know, we'll use a guy who can only talk by means of a computer as a public icon to spread our lies, brilliant. Steven Hawkins, one of the most intelligent men in the world, believes that he is "a human," but we all know that's false, so therefore his statement was forced and untrue. Why is he the public icon, when he can't even talk properly, I wonder... Congrats science, one step closer to ending the world. (Islam will kill you all)

>> No.1700147

Thank you media, you bunch of sensationalist morons... A bloody out of context quote that aggravates the age old religion-science schism, "herp moar views/sales for us derp" So much journalistic integrity in the art of quote mining.

What troubles me far more are the comments people left on articles like this ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking ). People like this are why I find it VERY hard to respect theists... Ignorance can be fixed, willing ignorance is a crime against the self, but PRIDE about being willingly ignorant! Revelling in the fact that one is right without need of seeing the other point of view; this disgusts me.

>> No.1700163

"God doesn't HAVE to exist for the universe to come into being" =/= "God doesn't exist"

Seriously, people, people, seriously.

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>>1699862

>Spontaneous creation