/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.16584098]

>2025
>still nothing available that could possible reverse, halt or even slow down aging

This is so depressing

[Anonymous No.16584121]

>>16584098
there's more than ever
but it's a lifestyle and it requires discipline with diet, exercise, fine circadian rhythm tuning and the right supplementation
but here's the rub faggot, you can't have it as a degenerate in an easy pill to swallow

[Anonymous No.16584130]

>>16584098
Women mentality.

[Anonymous No.16584180]

there is
it's called calisthenics

[Anonymous No.16584185]

>>16584098
you just don't read enough, lol. DWS might have come fairly close to curing it by fixing Yamanaka factor technology, or it might still be a recipe for teratomas in a few years (but *probably* not). If you want some better-studied stuff, Astaxanthin, NAC and Glycine are all fairly well confirmed to have marginal systemic anti-aging activity across mammals.

[Anonymous No.16584201]

>>16584185
It's the world's first OTC Epigenetic Reset. Occasionally there have been dedicated /CRG/ threads for it the past year, and it's worked for me. The sause is rentry.co/CR_General

[top tier meme thread No.16584212]

Bryan Johnson has entered the chat

[Anonymous No.16584214]

>>16584212
he's speedrunning aging

[Anonymous No.16584226]

>>16584212
>>16584214
>I AM JUST A NEW BOY! LASERED LIKE A CLOWN! WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD DRUGS? WHO GON SHOW ME BISON CAN BE GROUND?

[Anonymous No.16584262]

>>16584212
If you are, please say something public about Apigenic Health.

[Anonymous No.16584320]

>>16584262
I think he might just discredit it at this point if he does. Imagine he came out and said he's been on it the last 6 months, everyone will think DWS has found *the cure for life extension.* (not the cure for aging, lmao)

[Anonymous No.16584325]

>>16584320
and a followup to this: I'm fairly positive that BryJo's sudden "walling" is a direct complication of his fat transfer operation causing many small surgical adhesions inside his cheeks, combined with such massive dermatology skill issues that he can't break up or prevent formation of said.
>t. has read far more dermatology literature than BryJo, apparently.

[Anonymous No.16584337]

>>16584098
How long do you imagine it would it take for this anti-aging method to become publicly available, if it would ever be allowed to do so? How expensive would it likely be?

[Anonymous No.16584352]

>>16584337
>he doesn't know one of them is just a cheap-ass blue dye costing a few cents a dose
>https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22methylene+blue%22+%22anti+aging%22

[Anonymous No.16584383]

>>16584352
We're talking about Yamanaka Factor/iPSC tier capacities for restoring cellular identity. We get what you have is makes genetic changes but ultimately it's not in the same scope of impact.

[Anonymous No.16584384]

They won't figure it out within 300 years. I guarantee it. They never would. It's not something they can figure out. We didn't just miss it, it's been the human condition since the dawn of history. Why would our generation be special? We don't understand our minds on any level deeper than Plato 3000 years ago. No progress. It's the exact same order of magnitude of true understanding. Just as much of a mystery to learned men then as it is now. What a curse and what a blessing. Anyway, see you faggots in the next life.

[Anonymous No.16584391]

>>16584384
You sound like you are repeating mantras more than anything.

[Anonymous No.16584394]

>>16584262
He is whistling past the graveyard if he does nothing.

[Anonymous No.16584403]

>>16584337
The epigenetic reset would be cheap af and while it takes years for your body to catch up to new encodings the severe impacts that turn heads like limb regrowths can reportedly be felt within the first few months at most. The theory is that there is adequate transcription after only a few weeks to do that but nobody really stops there to test that out unless you want to believe some of the leaks have really come from governmental sources and private institutions that have been testing it to that degree. The dude said he was shown pics where they even accelerated the limb regrowths in mice but he doesn't want to believe it's true yet. The fact the theory is so sound and it's still been going around for a year blasts major sirens saying something is up that people need to be looking at. That's BEFORE you hear the story Matthew Newman is telling you.

[Anonymous No.16584405]

>>16584383
That's also cheap enough these days with DWS's protocol, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that DWS, Bryan Johnson and Dave Pascoe all put together have scratched like maybe 1% of all PubMed's reported antiaging molecules.
>t. level 900 PubMed wizard

[Anonymous No.16584413]

>>16584098
Not only is nothing really available but everything is getting more toxic, endocrine-disrupting, inflammatory, physically and psychologically stressful etc by the year. All of these things *accelerate* aging. I honestly think true strong AI is our only shot at pulling out of this spiral, but i'm pessimistic we'll figure that out before humans get too near to being demented decrepit eunuchs.

[Anonymous No.16584431]

>>16584405
Do you have a reliable way to be sure there aren't any more molecules that upregulate Sox2 or Oct4 or is it just speculation? Nobody can name one, and if we have only leveraged 1% it shouldn't be hard to search properly and have additional molecules that are DOCUMENTED to use Yamanaka Factors. I think that would genuinely surprise everybody at this point. But I think that angle is just speculation with this many eyes on trying to prove there is an alternative to Apigenin or RepSox/Forskolin. It doesn't stick.

[Anonymous No.16584438]

>>16584405
>>16584431
He thinks there is more to aging than in epigenetic encodings. Unlikely.

[Anonymous No.16584443]

You miserable narcissist.

[Anonymous No.16584445]

>>16584438
OSKM and OSK reprogramming has been going on with mice for years. Nothing they ever say in the negative is ever going to lead anywhere because we know what to expect already in the outcome. This is just the best delivery of the underlying technology we have and we are pretending we don't know what we are looking at even. It's weird.

[Anonymous No.16584484]

>>16584431
>Do you have a reliable way to be sure there aren't any more molecules that upregulate Sox2 or Oct4 or is it just speculation?

No, it is just speculation.
>Hepatocyte Growth Factor-mediated Regulation of OCT4 in human Mesenchymal Stem Cells
>https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO202431057626101.page

>Effects of topical topiramate in wound healing in mice
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29476247/

[Anonymous No.16584487]

>>16584320
>Scientific observations deliver a method to reaffirm your DNA and regrow body parts after they have been cut off.
MASS DEAFS FROM REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP

[Anonymous No.16584493]

You're supposed to age and die
>be 100 years ago
>western Europe is filled with amputated or disfigured men
>be now
>all the amputated or disfigured men have been replaced by intact men
the system works

and no you can't look like a 25 year old until you die

[Anonymous No.16584495]

>>16584405
None of this other shit has people reporting back their genitalia and other body parts are slowly growing back because it's apart of the underlying theory. Anybody who doubts that's happening hasn't taken it for several months. You can feel it.

[Anonymous No.16584500]

>>16584487
>REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP
they're not actually "leading" much besides a control group for Alzheimer's research.

>>16584493
fuck what some schizo said made imaginary sky man happy a century ago, technology will kill the "system" eventually.

>>16584495
>implying an anti-aging treatment is useless if it can't regrow limbs
>2025

[Anonymous No.16584501]

>>16584493
If we could agree to just giving people another 40 years of youth before they have to start aging instead of them aging from the getgo it would be pretty big. We need it for deep space exploration and we can preserve knowledge and experience longer.

[Anonymous No.16584516]

>>16584500

[Anonymous No.16584604]

>>16584384
>They won't figure it out within 300 years
Nope, they'll figure it out right before I die of old age

[Anonymous No.16584737]

>>16584493
> and no you can't look like a 25 year old until you die
Why the fuck not?

[Anonymous No.16584814]

>>16584403
You're fucking schizophrenic and this is the new 4chan crystals mark my fucking words this nigger is trying to give you cancer
>Inb4 wailing autists screaming

[Anonymous No.16584816]

>>16584495
Oh. Now it all makes sense. Anon is a foreskin regeneration schizophrenic. I regret sincerely that I bumped this shit

[Anonymous No.16585034]

>>16584814
>>16584816
Nobody's screaming other than people who come here to FUD it without a single fact to back it up. Nothing about it has ever been known to be dangerous and not one of you can name a single fact of consequence that would tell you it is.

[Anonymous No.16585039]

>>16584098
This lady is causing a cramp in my testes.

[Anonymous No.16585049]

>>16584814
look, I modified the "crystals" recipe by swapping out ammonia for hydrogen peroxide and it's literally the best hair and teeth chemo ever.
>y'all just skill issues.

[Anonymous No.16585060]

>>16585034
You can take that to the bank. Nothing wrong is ever going to be found with Apigenic Health. If there was a circumstantial cancer risk for products that are this heavily documented to be ANTI-cancer by the GOV and NIH when you mix it with other specific things it would at least be something you could look up and read like you have with other reactions and safety warnings. Do you really think there has not been a single cancer specialist that have seen it at this point? That would be incorrect. If you think Harvard Medical Medical school didn't get wind of the fact their talking head David Sinclair (who used to be singing from the rooftops about his cocktails) got second place in human experiments for cellular reprogramming research then you would also be incorrect. Newman got allot of people's attention. That's the whole reason why people are getting more forceful about it. We are going to keep demanding facts and logic for anyone making claims that Apigenic Health is dangerous when the transcriptic outcome has already been studied and utilized for decades by the public without any hullabaloo. Apigenin's structure was first identified like a hundred years ago and it's presence at these dosages has been enjoyed by people for awhile too.

[Anonymous No.16585144]

>>16585060
My only concern is just that this particular *combination* of molecules has not been tested long-term in humans yet. They might be individually safe and anti-carcinogenic, but they're obviously doing more together than they do individually. There are also many, many other anti-carcinogenic chemicals out there, and an *even smarter* stack may ultimately end up adding several others in.

[Anonymous No.16585154]

>>16585144
The transcriptional outcome has long been documented because we already know what to expect from decades of use. You just have misidentified what's happening with chromatin access because the reaction itself does not change by adding an HDACi.

[Anonymous No.16585158]

>>16585154
>>16585144
They keep forgetting Apigenin can move things back to pluripotency all on its own, unaided when in certain enviornments. It's because of all the other things it will do first in the environment that would have to be ready for transcription to occur anyway. They just don't get what they are looking at.

[Anonymous No.16585175]

The Yamanaka Factor upregulation Apigenin would be doing by itself would be causing DNA to become unpackaged. That's why they don't technically need one when they do it directly with cassettes. There is nothing transcriptionaly different between what Apigenin has been able to do by itself in cultured environments and what it's able to do in the body when fortified.

[Anonymous No.16585176]

>>16585158
Well in that case... are some of these so-called "longevity myths" from various esoteric poojeet wizards and alchemists maybe actually just people who stumbled into parsley patches?

[Anonymous No.16585181]

Why do we think a leash is what makes a dog less likely to bite you?

[Anonymous No.16585187]

>>16585175
>don't technically need one
An HDACi that is

[Anonymous No.16585251]

>>16585175
A dedicated employee may be able to do value add type work all day as an engineer but you can also have him out there laying bricks all day too if you want to waste him doing something less specialized. There should be no difference in what's being transcribed just because you have an HDACi.

[Anonymous No.16587212]

Accumulation of toxins is the cause of 90% of aging and disease.

All the food you eat has tiny amounts of heavy metals, fluoride, glyphosphate. It is well known the liver accumulates heavy metals, vitamin A and copper into old age, which cause progressive tissue damage.

All this bullshit about looking at DNA and biological clocks is just bullshit. The genuinely reverse age, you got to remove the toxins, and this will cause a healing of all autoimmune disease. Since 90% of all disease is caused by toxin accumulation.

There's tons of research out there as well, on how obesity is caused by the accumulation of toxins. Obesity is the bodies safe way of storing fat soluble toxins. Of course if you didnt eat the toxins (goyslop et al) in the first place, you wouldnt have become fat.

I would put more trust in compounds like glycine and activated charcoal, which genuinely have powerful effects to detox the liver, rather than these bullshit scams like resveratrol.

[Anonymous No.16587239]

>>16584098
Protect your skin from the sun
Eat a diet with vitamins that will prevent your body from decaying
Run regularly so your heart and arteries doesn’t become weak

[Anonymous No.16587411]

Calorie restriction is the defacto standard, maybe restricting protein intake.

Astaxanthin likely works mildly.
https://masteronething.com/lid
Vitamin C
Berberine
Hesperetin (orange peel?)
Pineal gland extract
Royal Jelly
Wheat germ (spermidine)
Broccoli, kale, brussel sprouts, broccoli sprouts likely good.
Anti diabetic and antivirals (if sick) probably work. Yogurt, sauer kraut, for gut bacteria
https://genomics.senescence.info/drugs/species_details.php?species_name=Mus+musculus

There’s no proof apigenin can keep you alive longer. There’s no proof on humans.
Mice suffer differently. They probably stay alive longer with growth factors that keep their immune function. They get infections. We die from heart disease and cancers.

You want to have low homocysteine and TMAO. So that means adopting a heart protocol. Anti-dementia. Antiviral. Pro immune.

[Anonymous No.16587442]

>>16587411
So, some of the things good for mice healthspan could likely progress human diseases (like cardiovascular disease). Royal jelly increases TMAO. Growth factors increase cancer. Rapamycin, which Bryan quit, could cause disease in humans but we don’t know, even if it extend mice lifespan, kills infections, and slows their metabolism and repairs cells. When you rescue cells with some compounds you could end up un-silencing a bad gene, or activate a dormant cancer cell/virus and make it immortal. So there’s no guarantee yet.

[Anonymous No.16587446]

>>16587411
Bromelain probably the most under-rated putative life extension drug for humans because of its effects on heart disease and cancer.

[Anonymous No.16587447]

>>16584098
why are you waiting for someone else to invent the thing that will keep you alive forever?
that's not a good strategy if you are counting on living forever.

[Anonymous No.16587458]

>>16587447
there is not going to be a single "thing." it's going to be a cocktail of many hundreds to thousands of small molecules, most likely. the best we can do for now is try to mix some of the most effective shit for marginal potential extra-life gainz.

[Anonymous No.16587943]

>>16587458
>Most likely
Please just stop. We know you are looking to FUD a very specific cocktail and you look stupid.

[Anonymous No.16587947]

>>16584604
if anyone really was close to solving aging there would be so many intelligence agencies on top of them

[Anonymous No.16587957]

>>16587947
Newman is fucked.

[Anonymous No.16587965]

>>16587957
Why anyone would think you could do that without the masses killing you is beyond me. Even if he "wins" and gets people to admit wrongdoing (not with this admin, sorry) the people kill him ghadafi style in either decades or centuries. Nobody is going to want someone walking around thinking they are actually here to help. Humanity never wanted any of his stupid shit. I'm going to hate anybody who tries to keep me alive longer.

[Anonymous No.16587969]

>>16587965
>I'm going to hate anybody who tries to keep me alive longer.
nobody IS and nobody will. it's just nice to have the option.
do you agree for your posts to be shown on your deathbed when you ask for extension?
>anon you said it clearly right here you don't want it

[Anonymous No.16587971]

>>16587965
It's because it doesn't conveniently only work for whites or the high IQ. Which is what the whole half-assed censorship has been about. The US Government only wanted to get it to certain people but not everybody. Just look around.

[Anonymous No.16587973]

>>16584098
>What is e*******
you don't even deserve to know, defeatist faggot

[Anonymous No.16587977]

>>16587965
Those kids are SUPPOSED to be dying. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE EPIGENETIC DAMAGE!

[Anonymous No.16587985]

>>16584098
Be sad no more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4G7E9yvFM
This video is from ten years ago, since then the price of the procedure dropped from about a million usd to few tens of thousands.

[Anonymous No.16587989]

>>16584098
>or even slow down aging
Stay the fuck out of the sun
Don't drink or do drugs
Low stress and light exercise

[Anonymous No.16587991]

>>16587989
>Stay the fuck out of the sun
but also do take it for like 5-10 minutes a day if possible, it's healthy

[Anonymous No.16588319]

>>16584121
>extends your health by 2-4 years at most
>does not extend yourh
So, nothing

[Anonymous No.16588327]

>>16584443
T. Coper

[Anonymous No.16589697]

Bump

[Anonymous No.16592875]

>>16584098
Fasting
Avoid alcohol and smoke
Training cardio and weight
Sun exposure

[Anonymous No.16592936]

>>16587446
You might be right. And you could find out by eating pineapple

[Anonymous No.16593609]

>>16587943
not really, just somewhat skeptical DWS has actually found the ultimate procol here instead of just taking a big step towards it. even if DWS deserves a Nobel prize, it's not like it's just time to abandon the research now.

>>16592936
pineapples taste good but don't have very much bromelain.

[Anonymous No.16595439]

Eat precisely one square of dark chocolate every day.

[Anonymous No.16596133]

Chemically induced reprogramming to reverse cellular aging

>A hallmark of eukaryotic aging is a loss of epigenetic information, a process that can be reversed. We have previously shown that the ectopic induction of the Yamanaka factors OCT4, SOX2, and KLF4 (OSK) in mammals can restore youthful DNA methylation patterns, transcript profiles, and tissue function, without erasing cellular identity, a process that requires active DNA demethylation. To screen for molecules that reverse cellular aging and rejuvenate human cells without altering the genome, we developed high-throughput cell-based assays that distinguish young from old and senescent cells, including transcription-based aging clocks and a real-time nucleocytoplasmic compartmentalization (NCC) assay. We identify six chemical cocktails, which, in less than a week and without compromising cellular identity, restore a youthful genome-wide transcript profile and reverse transcriptomic age. Thus, rejuvenation by age reversal can be achieved, not only by genetic, but also chemical means.

https://www.aging-us.com/article/204896/text

[Anonymous No.16596582]

>>16596133
>demethylation
That is how cancer begins.
Afaik, we (human race) still cannot safely change epigenome. We can safely change genome though.

[Anonymous No.16596971]

>>16584098

[Anonymous No.16597055]

>>16596582
>Afaik, we (human race) still cannot safely change epigenome.
It sort of depends on your definition of "safely" but there are already many epigenetic-modifying drugs approved: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9832256/

A lot of random foods and other environmental chemicals do it too, even eating vitamin C and the effects of its metabolites on picrel protein is an example.

[Anonymous No.16597107]

>>16584121
Exercise beyond 60 minutes a week has not shown to increase longevity.

[Anonymous No.16597374]

>>16597055
> depends on your definition of "safely"
It means no or minor side effects.
> approved
That literally doesn't mean a thing, other than they had enormous ammounts of money to afford that sort of licensing. I hope DOGE shuts FDA down all and at once.

[Anonymous No.16597424]

>>16584098
Well, the fact you deny it doesn't mean there isn't. Because there is.

[Anonymous No.16599399]

now you go back up

[Anonymous No.16599403]

>>16597424
Refute directly by sliding unto future possibility

[Anonymous No.16599531]

>2025
>still nothing available that could possibly reverse, halt or even slow the fact I have to shit and piss

[Anonymous No.16599832]

>>16599531
>what is dry fasting

[Anonymous No.16599838]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6qMvT0U41M

[Anonymous No.16599848]

>>16584098
Elon's working on it next. He'll make sure anyone under 25 today will live for as long as they can keep being productive.

[Anonymous No.16599928]

>>16599848
Are you having delusions about your supreme leader?

[Anonymous No.16599930]

>>16599848
I can see the Elon "life-extension shake" now...
>made with the "latest" beef broth technology.
>has a fair amount of iron and maybe a little chromium.
>none of the weird metals that only giga-autistic nerds even know the names of.
>baby aspirin, vitamin D, and fish oil fortification, signed off on by a clinical staff of 800 boomer doctors who read the best research of 1993.
>ready by some time around 2035.

[Anonymous No.16599946]

i am become meme

[Anonymous No.16599948]

>>16599848
Elon coming in and confirming/denying DWS's claims would be a good start. Or anyone from the iPSC field.

[Anonymous No.16599988]

>>16599946
Yes you did, Eloi.

>>16599948
You have to send him 9000 dogecoin on X/twitter for that kind of service, he promises he'll send 27,000 back within 3 days though! You can literally plug "Yamanaka factor" into Google Scholar and see this is real spooky-ass technology with a ton of research and lots of speculation on its long-term effects.

[Anonymous No.16600286]

>>16599988
How can somebody with own pump'n'dump be a president? He's now literally legit on level of hawk tuah girl, which is joke.

[Anonymous No.16600329]

>>16584816
If the foreskin expands then yeah it does have regeneration powers just ask Isaac and Abraham.

[Anonymous No.16600808]

Effective anti-aging treatments spells the end of humanity as we know it.

The powerful will seize it and become their own deathless species, with regular humans as cattle

[Anonymous No.16601334]

>>16600808
>the end of humanity as we know it
good fucking riddance, long overdue
> The powerful will seize it and become their own deathless species, with regular humans as cattle
Who needs you as a cattle, you worm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw

[Anonymous No.16601340]

>>16584185
>DWS
The specific molecules this schizo mentions can be found in everyday food.
Which begs the question, why has no one found it before by accidentally eating too much parsley/chamomile, turmeric, and cheese/butter?

There's nothing special there, but the /crg/ thread has gone full /x/ about it.

[Anonymous No.16601346]

>>16584403
>limb regrowths
We're not axolotls, there's no supplement you could take that would make you regrow a limb.
This should be very easy to prove as well, just give it to someone who has lost a limb, and take before/after pictures.

Why hasn't happened yet, you might ask?
It's because that's simply not how this works.

[Anonymous No.16601347]

>>16584405
>scratched like maybe 1% of all PubMed's reported antiaging molecules
Why hasn't someone written a scraper yet and catalogued all anti-aging related research papers in one place for easy searching?

I'm tempted to do this, if nobody else will.

[Anonymous No.16601348]

>>16584493
>You're supposed to age and die
Says who?
>inb4 religions or political reasons
Delaying scientific advancements because it offends your religious or political beliefs? You can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16601351]

>>16585034
>without a single fact to back it up
Ironically, there's also no proof to back up this epigenetic health schizoposting.

[Anonymous No.16601358]

>>16587965
>hate anybody who tries to keep me alive longer
Then don't take the immortality serum, it's that simple, but don't try to force everybody else to die with you just because you don't want to live longer.

[Anonymous No.16601361]

>>16599848
>He'll make sure anyone under 25 today will live
>Elon is still dying of old age
Doubt it, he'd never do something so selfless by not looking for a solution he could use at his current age.
If he's working on it, I guarantee you it's just for his own personal use.

[Anonymous No.16601391]

>>16584212
He's not looking any younger yet. When that happens we'll know that a real solution was found. He's obsessed with this topic.

[Anonymous No.16601414]

>>16601391
He doesn't look bright either, thus he's taking all the wrong medicine, thus he's going to die early, and everybody's going to laugh at immortalists just before the actual remedy hits the market.
I wonder if he's even aware that each injection damages his veins and surrounding tissues, even if the serum he's taking at the moment is safe and effective

[Anonymous No.16601434]

>>16601340
>Which begs the question, why has no one found it before by accidentally eating too much parsley/chamomile, turmeric, and cheese/butter?
Because the amounts used are far in excess of what anyone could accidentally consume from food. Son, if you're going to be a critic then the least you could do is spend 5 minutes reading about it
>>16584201
>rentry.co/CR_General
>Some will bring up Apigenin's availability in various forms like tea etc, but its never available in the concentrations we need to actually do it.
>"Dried parsley has been reported to have the maximum quantity of apigenin, at 45,035 μg/g.

The dosages recommended for this protocol, on the other hand, start at a minimum of 600mg Apigenin per day. So that would be what, around 13g of dried parsley per day? And that's assuming you're getting everything else needed in your diet which are also pretty high compared to what you'd get from your diet. The recommended 1.5g of butyrate would be around 50g of butter, and this is of course much less potent and poorly absorbed than the tributyrin used in the protocol.

So yes, IF you ate food that included 13g of dried parsley and 50g of butter consistently every day then you would in theory be getting close to the same nutrients. I suppose it's possible that isolated individuals who really fucking love buttered parsley have existed in the past but they would have been so rare that no one would notice even if they lived longer and certainly wouldn't attribute it to their diet.


The problem with this legitimate process is that on one side you have retards claiming limb regrowths after a couple months like
>>16584403
and on the other side you have retards like the one I'm responding to here who haven't even bothered to read about what they're attempting to criticize.

[Anonymous No.16601449]

>>16593609
>pineapples taste good but don't have very much bromelain
You're just not eating enough. I eat around 450g of pineapple a day and I laugh at articles telling me that pineapple "doesn't contain enough bromelain to have medicinal effects". Maybe not in your pitiful two bite "serving".

[Anonymous No.16601462]

>>16601434
>retards like the one I'm responding to here who haven't even bothered to read
NTA but I'll be honest, it's hard to take it seriously when /crg/ is a schizophrenic echo chamber, and nobody ever posts any proof of this method other than some previous research testing on mice.

If it did actually work, then simple before and after pictures and a blood test would suffice.
There's just such a disturbing lack of testimony for it that I'm starting to think it's either advanced trolling and he's trying to give a bunch of people cancer, or he's just an actual schizo and it simply doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.16601476]

>>16601340
See
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity_myths
What if a few of these are not *total* bullshit, but actually people who accidentally stumbled on to some sort of stemness-modifying food cocktail and it was never *properly* documented?

I will harp on ginseng for a second here. It has been documented as an anti-aging folk medicine in China for millennia, and there is also real scientific evidence it maintains stemness:
>https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=ginsenoside+stemness+senescence

>>16601346
It is actually very well documented that humans can regenerate fingertips partially very early in life. It is not at all implausible that the right cocktail of stemness-modifying drugs might re-enable this skill later in life, however DWS never posting any pics leaves me fairly skeptical his exact cocktail necessarily does it.

>>16601347
I just focus on pathways and then look for chemicals to modify them, filter said by toxicology and levels of evidence. Scraping *everything* is kind of info overload.

>>16601414
He is not taking "all the wrong medicine." He's taking a good bit of snake oil plus some legit therapies. The big problem is shit he's missing (like basic-ass minerals) and shit he's taking too much of (cough cough NAC).

>>16601449
This is a hell of a lot of pineapple to eat. I overall prefer to eat more berries in terms of real fruit, and get most of my bromelain from pills and meat tenderizer powder. Pineapple does taste awesome though, just not trying to eat that much all the time.

>>16601462
You can find basic proof of some activity on paper by just plugging the chemicals into Google Scholar. It's just an open question how well it really works long-term. I guarantee this is *not* the final form of an epigenetic reprogramming cocktail.

[Anonymous No.16601496]

>>16601476
>proof of some activity on paper by just plugging the chemicals into Google Scholar
Do we have any research on *humans* though, or is it still just mice and rats?

[Anonymous No.16601497]

>>16601462
>and nobody ever posts any proof of this method other than some previous research testing on mice.
What proof would you realistically expect from something like this? The people doing this publicly are all young guys and it's not going to be a huge difference if a 30 year old guy starts looking like he's 25, certainly not a stark enough difference to turn sceptics into believers. Even if we had a pill that was 100% guaranteed to reverse aging, you still wouldn't see concrete proof until enough time had passed for people to "de-age" and it would still take years (assuming it happens at a relatively slow rate rather than overnight) for there to be proof of someone undeniably looking 20 years younger.

Blood tests aren't free and what sort of things would you want to see tested for anyway? I can try the protocol for a few months and see how I feel at the end for the same cost as a single blood test. This is clearly a very grassroots sort of movement from people who don't have millions of dollars to throw around on tests and studies.

You read the theory and the science behind it and you decide if you think it has potential or not. If yes, give it a try. If no, don't. Worst case scenario, you spend a couple hundred on supplements that are still good for you even if they don't reverse aging.

[Anonymous No.16601513]

>>16601497
Also, you could get cancer caused from the supplements

[Anonymous No.16601522]

>>16601497
>it's not going to be a huge difference if a 30 year old guy starts looking like he's 25
Literally not any harder than a couple tubes of Differin and a phototherapy unit. Don't believe everyone looking a little young is on the spooky drugs.

>>16601513
This is true, but you can also prevent/treat/cure it with them if you know what you are doing. Bryan Johnson and DWS have both only scratched the surface of the chemoprophylaxis literature. Fruit enzymes are big ones these days.

[Anonymous No.16601535]

>>16601497
>what sort of things would you want to see tested for anyway?
Biological age after the protocol. If it really does work, there will be a larger than average discrepancy between your chronological age and your biological age.
If a 30+ year old (chronologically) suddenly has 25 year old (biologically) cells, then you've proven that it works, if nothing happened then it doesn't work.
It's simple as that, yet nobody even entertains the idea of performing a test after taking the protocol, and I have a feeling that it's not just about the money.

By the way, if the protocol does work, the first person to do this biological age test on themselves will very likely win a Nobel prize. Just like that one doctor who cracked their fingers daily for 60 years to prove it doesn't cause arthritis and won a Nobel prize in medicine for it.
The fact that nobody has done it yet, most likely means that it's bullshit, if it worked we'd be seeing a race to patent this and win the Nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.16601632]

>>16601535
You would have to spend nearly $1000 on tests

[Anonymous No.16601687]

>>16601535
>if it worked we'd be seeing a race to patent this and win the Nobel prize.
DWS went public with his protocol over a year ago. It's unpatentable now. He should still get a Nobel prize if it's not BS, though.

[Anonymous No.16601810]

>>16601632
You're already spending more than that per year to keep doing this protocol, and you can't spend just $1000 more to test if it even works?
What sort of stupid financial decision is this?

Be my guest, if you want to keep wasting money doing something that may or may not work for the next few years.

[Anonymous No.16601811]

>>16601687
>It's unpatentable now
Except that nobody outside of /sci/ knows who DWS is and what Epigenetic Health is.
Just name it something different, and the patent office won't find DWS at all and will grant you the patent (if it's not patented already).

[Anonymous No.16601900]

>>16601811
Can you really patent plant compoud, I tought it is not possible.

[Anonymous No.16601905]

>>16584098
aging and death isn't even a problem so who cares

[Anonymous No.16601987]

>>16601810
Its not more than $1000 per year, its closer to $700. Adding multiple tests would nearly double the price. People already spend $600 on supplements per year without getting DNA tests or bloodwork to see if they even work. Someone should have gotten multiple tests by now, but I don't think its unusual that no one has.

[Anonymous No.16602097]

>>16601987
>without getting DNA tests or bloodwork to see if they even work
That's because most supplements are just extra nutrition (safe) and nothing else, this one is promising extraordinary things such as age reversal and limb regrowth (LMAO).
So yes, perhaps you should invest into a biological age test to see if it's really working as advertised or if you should stop before getting cancer from it.

Before you argue that this won't give you cancer, it's important to note that the author claims it works just like the RepSox and Forskolin cocktail, which did end up giving the mice some cancer if I recall correctly.

[Anonymous No.16602118]

>>16601905
>Having to retrain the species' entire population for 30 years every generation isn't a problem
>Constantly losing important knowledge that wasn't passed down because of lack of time isn't a problem
Right, so 30 years until we finish our education and become experts in our fields, then 30 years of work until we retire at around 60, and then do nothing at all until we die from old age. Wow, unbelievable!

Essentially, we're only actually productive for less than 50% of our lives. The other 50% we're a money sink for everyone else, during education/training and retirement.
Add to it the fact that we're constantly losing expert knowledge as the older population dies and doesn't pass down everything they know due to lack of time and energy.
Add yet another issue with the fact that as technology and science advances, it will become impossible for one person to learn everything they need to know to continue making new advancements before they become too old to work in their field (already a problem in physics and computer science, for example).

This is NOT efficient use of resources, and it's NOT efficient use of time. Our species is doomed to stagnation if we can't figure out anti-aging soon.

[Anonymous No.16602124]

>>16602097
Are the actual supplements dangerous? Just because someone promised extraordinary things does not mean the supplements themselves are dangerous. People make misleading claims all the time for almost every supplement imaginable.

[Anonymous No.16602130]

>>16602124
>Are the actual supplements dangerous?
We don't know, actually, and that's the thing. We don't know if that specific combination at that specific dosage is safe long-term, because there's no research on it. It's literally just one random schizophrenic guy claiming it's safe without any proof.

[Anonymous No.16602199]

>>16601513
>you could get cancer caused from the supplements
Which of the supplements is known to cause cancer? I legitimately don't understand where the cancer stuff comes from.

[Anonymous No.16602206]

>>16584098
you can't go against gravity.

[Anonymous No.16602220]

>>16602118
"productivity" doesnt matter, neither does society, or progress.

[Anonymous No.16602223]

>>16602199
>Which
Your issue is in thinking that just because it doesn't (generally) give cancer when taken individually, that it also won't give you cancer when taken together.

Did you know that you shouldn't eat grapefruit or drink grapefruit juice, together with certain medications because it can increase the concentration of it in your body to dangerous levels?
>https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/grapefruit-juice-and-some-drugs-dont-mix
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit–drug_interactions
The anti-histamine Seldane could kill you when taken with grapefruit juice, as an example. This is why you shouldn't combine a bunch of random compounds without knowing about the safety of such combination.

There's not a single research paper proving the safety of apigenin, curcumin and butyrate/tributyrin taken together at such high concentrations (specially the liposomal variants).

[Anonymous No.16602227]

>>16602220
>neither does society, or progress.
Alright, you luddite. Why are you in an anti-aging thread, then?
Just to complain about progress?

[Anonymous No.16602228]

>>16602227
to call you a pussy ass faggot

[Anonymous No.16602233]

>>16602228
Congratulations, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.16602266]

>>16584098
I want to lick whip cream off her ass.

[Anonymous No.16602299]

>>16602223
I was really hoping you had some sensible criticism but this is such an unimaginably retarded take that I'm honestly disappointed.

>Your issue is in thinking that just because it doesn't (generally) give cancer when taken individually, that it also won't give you cancer when taken together.
Apigenin, curcumin, and butyrate have all been shown to have anti-cancer properties so this statement is grossly disingenuous at best. They (generally) help prevent cancer when taken individually.

>There's not a single research paper proving the safety of apigenin, curcumin and butyrate/tributyrin taken together
And there never will be, nor will there ever be for 99.9999999% of the substances you will ingest during your life.

>This is why you shouldn't combine a bunch of random compounds without knowing about the safety of such combination.
So you would, for example, never DARE to take a multivitamin along with some pepsi and a probiotic supplement because there are no research papers like
>The Safety and Efficacy of Multivitamin Absorption When Accompanied By Cola and Bacillus Coagulans Supplementation


Seldane couldn't kill you at all because it was taken off the market because it gave people heart disease. It was a drug with known potentially lethal side effects which were enhanced by the ability of grapefruit to block the action of drug metabolizing enzymes. Grapefruit doesn't just magically turn benign substances deadly; it affects how your body metabolizes certain drugs in a way that can cause overdose toxicity - in drugs which have the potential for overdose toxicity.

Seldane was a drug with known toxicity well before any interactions with grapefruit were discovered. Apigenin has never been shown to have any toxicity even at high doses. Saying that it COULD give you cancer if some unknown interactions exist is like saying that mixing multivitamins, pepsi, and probiotics could give you cancer. How do we know it doesn't? It's never been studied!!!

[Anonymous No.16602374]

>>16584098
You need to reach nirvana. All conditioned phenomenas are subject to birth, aging, sickness, and death.

[Anonymous No.16602399]

>>16584098
Rewrite entropy itself. There, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.16602795]

>>16602399
No need, just edit the DNA to add error correction and cancer detection.
If a fucking jellyfish can be biologically immortal, then so can we.

[Anonymous No.16602799]

>>16602299
The cognitive dissonance is unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.16603204]

>>16602374
>Implying that religion helps with aging
Kek. If anything it causes premature death as people won't try as hard to stay alive, believing that there's some afterlife waiting for them.

[Anonymous No.16604043]

>>16602374
>You need to reach nirvana.
:step one

[Anonymous No.16604069]

>>16604043
See, you just proved >>16603204's point.

[Anonymous No.16604080]

>>16602799
>can't provide any sort of rebuttal
>weak attempt to dismiss a serious post with buzzwords
Embarrassing. I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.16604095]

>>16604080
>The schizo thinks his post should be taken seriously
Hilarious. I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.16604100]

>>16601462
The iq pill is realizing /x's effort posts are more intellectual than /sci's. Case in point the charlatan claiming live extension by cellular reprogramming.

[Anonymous No.16604157]

>>16604100
If only /x/ could use such great intellect to come up with a treatment for aging.

[Anonymous No.16604222]

>>16584214
We all should be speedrunning anti-aging any%.

[Anonymous No.16604253]

>>16604100
>are more intellectual than /sci's
It only seems like that at first, if you look long enough you realize it's all untreated schizoposting over there.

[Anonymous No.16604267]

>>16584352
How easily accessible is methylene blue to the common peasants?

[Anonymous No.16604328]

>>16604095
tbf there's nothing schizo about rejecting the idea that you should always assume that anything you eat is unsafe unless there's a specific study proving otherwise

like if you have some known harmless substances then there's no reason to assume that they'll magically become harmful if mixed

you should assume that they're harmless unless proven otherwise, not the reverse

anything could give you cancer
that doesn't mean that you should assume that everything does even if there's no evidence for it
that's the real schizo shit

[Anonymous No.16604477]

>>16604267
It's a dye. You can buy it on Amazon.

[Anonymous No.16604482]

>>16604157
they treat aging by immortalizing souls - you wouldn't get it
>>16604253
those are low quality posts. try steel manning my position.

[Anonymous No.16604484]

>>16604482
>immortalizing souls
>souls
Go back to your board >>>/x/.

[Anonymous No.16605044]

>>16584493
>the system works
It clearly doesn't.

[Anonymous No.16608739]

dont die

[Anonymous No.16613143]

>>16604328
>>16602299
I'm pretty sure lots of other posts aren't being made in good faith. be it bullshit about souls existing or viruses, nukes not existing. the amount of well poisoning on this website is fucking unbelievable to put it simply

[Anonymous No.16613224]

>>16588319
>2-4 years at most
You literally pulled this number straight out of your asshole

[Anonymous No.16613228]

>>16584098
Those smart enough to stop death are too smart to do it.

[Anonymous No.16613707]

>>16613228
nah, there is a whole fleet of midwits making very incremental gains. the top research is doubling the lifespan of mice these days, using all kinds of weird antidepressants with off-target activity. Bryan Johnson's triple dirty dozen squad of boomer tranny specialists is purportedly accomplishing the same thing, or at least is theoretically projected to according to some scammy-looking poojeet-esque tests, using about as many molecules as "doctors."

[Anonymous No.16613978]

>>16604482
>they treat aging by immortalizing souls - you wouldn't get it
so you're saying /x/ is like new jersey of 4chan

[Anonymous No.16614715]

>>16584098
What are you talking about there is a lot you can do and longevitiy is one of the most active fields out there with solid results too. Only recently have there been a bunch of promising studies showing how your gut microbiome determines how you age. We are probably far away from immortality, but already have everything we need to get to age 100-120 reliably if you start now.

[Anonymous No.16614794]

>>16614715
You say that, but you still won't be able to list any steps to take beyond optimizing sleep, diet, and exercise. Also, gut microbiome studies are a complete joke. None of them produce actionable information beyond what health guidelines already state (i.e., eat fibre).

[Anonymous No.16614825]

>>16614794
everything that increases mitochondria health and decreases (or avoids) chronic inflammation will help too. Sure sleep diet and exercise are 80%, but not everything there is

[Anonymous No.16614826]

>>16614794
L. Reuteri has shown some great results for many people (studies and anecdotally). Improved digestion (better absorption rates), less inflammation and therefore overall less strain on the system will keep you stronger for longer

[Anonymous No.16614850]

>>16613707
A prospect of majority of humans having access to age reversal is genuinely terrifying.
Can you imagine all those low IQ nigger beasts, trannies and others having access to immortality?
Hopefully the rich jews won't allow it to happen, it'd be a disaster of immeasurable scale.

[Anonymous No.16614872]

>>16584405
To be fair only the ones that are anti aging in mice actually matter. The shit on yeast or whatever is largely meaningless

[Anonymous No.16614920]

>>16614850
Like I said in another thread, there are ginseng extract supplements at my local dollar store already but /sci/entific literacy is soooo generally poor that the big aisle full of potato chips gets much more traffic. There is marginally effective tech out there everywhere, and people just don't know where to look.

[Anonymous No.16615029]

Anti-aging is literally a cult lol. Look at how volatile people act when you say there isn't a solution, nor is it even a "problem". Read Aristotle, cretins.

[Anonymous No.16615168]

You're the one who came into this thread about a topic you allegedly hate and started sperging out unprompted. Is this a cry for help? Are you secretly hoping to be proven wrong?
>read Aristotle
You don't know Greek.

[Anonymous No.16615226]

>>16615029
People who say there isn't a problem or solution are kind of like the movie Don't Look Up.

[Anonymous No.16615324]

I'm too young to advise you, but I think that, without surgical intervention, the right way should be to maintain a stable pH. I guess this can be achieved by practicing an oxidant-reductant diet.

Also, don't forget about electrolytes: calcium, manganese, chlorine, sodium, and phosphorus.

The second step, in my opinion, should be to take an interest in Bioproton technology. I haven't seen a technical review of the frequencies and other parameters of the technology they use, but it looks like something between a real solution and fraud.

Personally I moving that way

[Anonymous No.16615459]

This is science fiction movie stuff, for now. But theoretically you could create a device in which you could travel at the speed of light slowing down time for you while other people on Earth age at a normal rate. You would look and be physiologically younger than everyone else. You can just travel at a certain desired speed while you’re asleep to achieve the desired reduced ageing.
Those 8 hours of sleep could just disappear every day. You could stop 26 years of ageing in your sleep alone.

>The average person spends about 26 years sleeping in their life

https://youtu.be/n2s1-RHuljo

[Anonymous No.16615462]

>>16615459
https://youtu.be/-jJ5PPcLUw8

[Anonymous No.16615465]

>>16615459
>>16615462
And this already has happened to astronauts.

[Anonymous No.16615584]

>>16584098
Science can't to against God's will.

[Anonymous No.16615722]

>>16615584
Aging is identical to any other disease. It's not God's will that humans not treat diseases. Everyone will still die eventually, just hopefully not due to old age.