/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1657821]

Anybody else angry at the fact that everyone is focusing on sustainability and "green technology," instead of investing all that time and energy in space tech, so that we can pillage other planets?

It seems the hippies have won, man

[Anonymous No.1657838]

what are you, 12?
we have to do shit right on this planet waaay before we can plunder others.

lrn2preservation of resources

[Anonymous No.1657836]

I wouldn't quite say angry, but green tech is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.1657841]

No.

The Egyptians did.

They own all the flying saucers.

[Anonymous No.1657840]

i read the unabomer manifesto at work the other day

[Anonymous No.1657842]

It's not like we'll need those resources to get to other planets anyway.

[Anonymous No.1657851]

>>1657838
yes

>>1657836
no

Green tech saves money, produces significantly less negative effects on the environment, is much less dangerous, and can be expected to stably produce much more energy over a period of time than fossil fuels or natural gas.

[Anonymous No.1657852]

>>1657838
As if humanity has ever done shit right

[Anonymous No.1657853]

And what, pray, would we "pillage" from other planets?
Also, how exactly do you propose that we send a ship to another planet, land, mine these "precious resources", load them onto the ship in USEFUL AMOUNTS, and return them to earth with (and here is the tough part) this whole process being cost effective.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO SEND A ROCKET INTO SPACE, LET ALONE TO ANOTHER SPACIAL BODY? DO YOU KNOW HOW IMPRACTICAL YOUR IDEA ACTUALLY IS?

[hi No.1657858]

>>1657821
You're ... angry that we're producing more efficient technology? What?

[Anonymous No.1657866]

We live on a bed of finite resources; No matter how much we try and preserve them, they're still being depleted. Why not just roll the dice?

[Anonymous No.1657888]

You guys are a long ways off. You are going to have to figure out how to travel inside and maintain complex 'plasma' fields so that you can maintain your physics where you want to travel and warp around the universe at apparent superluminal speeds.

[Anonymous No.1657892]

>>1657858
You're an idiot. Learn to read and comprehend.

[Anonymous No.1657893]

>>1657888
But then again, the technology required for planet exploration as I describe them to you actually give you the ability to manufacture resources from thin air.

This is most of the reason why aliens don't invade you... they are transcendent beings. This is a different topic for a different time though.

[Anonymous No.1657895]

Cephalopods...they can help us with our problems..

[Anonymous No.1657920]

>>1657836
>but green tech is a waste of time.

Anyone have that comic where the guy goes 'What if it's all a big hoax and we create a btter world for nothing'?

Because that's what you sound like. How is Green Technology a waste of time?

[Death_wish No.1657931]

Well there's a flaw in your plan, planets in our solar system are light years away, so it would take years to fly there IF we could fly at the speed of light. So we would never get to other solar systems that are hundreds of light years away unless we could cyrogenicly freeze them. Also, we would need a planet with water and some food source, so we need the Earth as much as we can.

[hi No.1657933]

>>1657892
You realize that it's going to be quite a while before we'll find another planet that can sustain human life and even longer for us to get there, right? This planet needs to last us if we ever want to venture to other worlds. Efficient and environmentally friendly technology is a *good* thing.

I can't believe I even have to argue this. Com'on, /sci/.

[Anonymous No.1657955]

>>1657931

>planets in our solar system
>light years away

[Anonymous No.1657964]

Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.1657969]

>1657931


Our solar system is 10 light minutes across.

[Anonymous No.1657977]

green tech can't even compete with Nuclear. Its a waste of fucking time idiots.

[Anonymous No.1658002]

>>1657955
>>1657969

[Anonymous No.1658017]

>>1657853
How about we create a wormhole? Then we just lay some train tracks across it, and truck in a million tons a day without even using spaceships.

[Anonymous No.1658022]

>>1657821

Space exploration is cool, useful at times, generates knowledge, and benefits future generations, but "green" tech is pretty much a necessity at this point and benefits future generations much more. We need to start thinking about how we've going to avoid shit like this.

[Anonymous No.1658047]

What would come first? Finding a planet capable of sustaining humans? Or developing the technology to terraform one of our plantary neighbors to support us?

[Anonymous No.1658049]

>>1657977

>can't even compete with Nuclear

Moar liek, nuclear can't compete with coal without massive government assistance

Not to say I don't think nuclear is useful to some capacity, but the up-front construction costs are ginormous. That was what killed nuclear investment in the early 1970s and well before Chernobyl or Three Mile Island. NIMBY and anti-nuclear scares was just icing on the cake.

[fascist goldfish !Rrxa7zePwI No.1658054]

sustainability is tremendously important. nucular energy is fine for energy problems, but you've got degradation of water and land on the ass of more than half of the world's population, meaningwhile, the single most retarded shit in the world called the ethanol industry is happening in america.

[Anonymous No.1658055]

>>1658047
Terraforming. We could already terraform mars if we cared enough.

[Anonymous No.1658061]

>>1658055
WAT
How?

[Anonymous No.1658064]

>>1658017
Sounds doable.

[Anonymous No.1658088]

>>1658017
Somebody give this man a Nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.1658095]

>>1658055
No, we can't. Mars can't hold enough of an atmosphere to be terraformed. Claiming that we can terraform mars is nothing but ignorance and/or wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.1658176]

>>1658095
>>1658061
You jackasses have no vision.

Basically, you have to use a lot of nukes. This is ok, because nothing lives on mars.

The first step is to push mars closer to the sun. Its currently a little bit outside the "Goldilocks Zone" for liquid water. We need to send nukes, lots of them, to detonate on the side of mars facing away from the sun. This will be a massive, massive explosion that knocks mars into a lower orbit.

The next step is to bulk up mars. You need to push all kinds of asteroids and other crap into mars to make it heavier. Mars is currently 2/3 the mass of earth, so you have to give it that other third. So you use the same nuke plan as before to push objects so that they collide with mars. Push a good chunk of the asteroid belt into mars. Push pluto into mars. It doesnt really matter, it just needs more mass.

Once this is done, mars will have an orbit and mass similar to earth. Since it is now closer to the sun, the ice caps will melt and form liquid water. Since the atmosphere is thicker (due to increased mass) it will be able to retain that water.

Then, we send a few probes loaded with seeds and lichen and things. We need to convert all that co2 into oxygen. Lichen would probably be best for this, they are very resilient and are good at breaking rocks into soil. Eventually you send seeds and finally animals.

[Anonymous No.1658223]

>>1658176
Could it affect the orbit of Earth since it would be closer and denser?

[Anonymous No.1658232]

>>1658223
Maybe a little. I really doubt it would affect it much. Im sure the scientists at nasa can work out the fine details.

[Anonymous No.1658237]

>>1658176

Bullshit, it just needs an atmosphere.

[fascist goldfish !Rrxa7zePwI No.1658249]

instead of nuking mars, just throw space rocks at the moon or something and then collect the debris

[Anonymous No.1658250]

>>1658237
It needs to be in a place where it can sustain its atmosphere. If we give it an atmosphere like it is, it wouldn't stay.

[Anonymous No.1658255]

>>1658237
it wont be able to hang on that that atmosphere without some extra mass. Thats the entire reason it doesnt already have a thick atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.1658259]

>>1658255
Why did it lose its atmosphere in the first place?

[Anonymous No.1658262]

>>1658176
What about Mars's weak magnetic field?

[Anonymous No.1658271]

>>1658262
Not the guy your asking, but what exactly does the magnetic field around Earth do?

[Anonymous No.1658272]

>>1658262
Is that important? Cant it exist without a strong magnetic field?

I suppose we could select for asteroids with high iron content to add to mars. That might help.

[anonymous No.1658275]

i been thinking lately why humans can't create a time machine !!! it is because if we create a time machine we can go back to year 6000BC & teach em math & physics & informatics ..... so when year 35 comes !! jesus will have his own spaceship !! & i couldn't think what could ve happened when 21st century could happen !! anyways !! i think that there will be no life outside planet earth :P simply because it is impossible !! life on earth wasn't created in 100 years ! it was created in billions of years ! so maybe after 5 billion years !! we can have the same conditions :P ofcourse taht won't happen because we ll all die in 2012

[Anonymous No.1658278]

>>1658271
Protects us from being bombarded by intense solar radiation

[Anonymous No.1658283]

>>1658278
Ahh, ok
How is it there? It has something to do with our core, right?

[Anonymous No.1658285]

>>1658271

It repels solar radiation. Without it, we would be quite cancerous.

[Anonymous No.1658289]

>>1658259
Atmosphere is the least dense part of a planet. If the gravity is not strong enough, the lightest molecules just fly off the planet. Heavier parts of the atmosphere can remain in lighter gravity.

On a related note, earths gravity is too weak to retain helium atoms. All the helium we get is mined from underground pockets. Once a balloon is popped all that helium is lost forever.

[Anonymous No.1658297]

Anybody else angry that every attempt sustainability will be undermined by the ham handedness of the people making the changes?

[Anonymous No.1658300]

>>1658289
I know, but why did it have an atmosphere then just lose it?
Also I did not know that about helium, pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.1658303]

>>1658300
Let me rephrase that, what caused Mars to have significantly decreased gravity?

[Anonymous No.1658307]

>>1658300
Well, mars still has an atmosphere. Its just not thick enough for our purposes. It doesnt retain heat well, doesnt block solar radiation well, etc.

I dont think mars ever had a "thick" atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.1658315]

>>1658307
Ah, alright. Thanks

[Anonymous No.1658325]

The fuck do you people care about green technology? The government has climate changing weaponry in the form of high powered radio beams that obliterate the ionosphere and release energy back into Earth.

Wanna know whats causing global warming? Your damn radio signals.

Stupid idiots.

[Anonymous No.1658342]

We all know it's you Colonel.

Now get off the 4chan and get back to doing your god damn job.

[Anonymous No.1658390]

>>1658325

Wat

[Anonymous No.1658575]

better than sending another dollar to saudi arabia

[Anonymous No.1658620]

>>1657955

thankyou. but its bigger than 10 light minutes. we are 8 light minutes from the sun

[Anonymous No.1658638]

Green tech will be useful when we can use it to power space ships.

[Anonymous No.1658639]

6/10, I typed out two sentences before i realized you were a troll.

[Anonymous No.1658700]

>>1658176

and then the atmospheric build up takes hundreds of thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.1658763]

Yes, because if we weren't investing in green technology, we would be investing in space exploration instead. That's why before we started investing in green technology, we put so much time and energy into the space program.

Oh wait, we didn't. I think there's a flaw in your reasoning.

[Anonymous No.1658772]

Don't worry OP. Nobody in the higher tiers of science takes the green movement seriously. It is too expensive and education is the only way to resolve our current tragedy in the commons, not technology. Because green will fail we will move on to more geoengineering concepts which means a giant evolution in the field of terraforming which means we will be closer and closer to making other hospitable planets livable since ours is on the way to being inhospitable.

[Anonymous No.1659305]

earth first! (we'll fuck up the other planet's later)