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Why is /sci/ an atheist?

>> No.1651849

I'm not. I've been a Christian for over 20 years.

>> No.1651857

it would take hours to 404 even if no one posted here.

slowest board on 4chan

>> No.1651865

reporting in

Because there is no evidence to support any god that I have been presented with as of yet.

>> No.1651866

>>1651843
If reading the bible doesn't make you an atheist, I don't know what will.

>> No.1651867

>>1651857
>slowest board on 4chan
That would be /3/, Anon. My thread has been there for three weeks now.

>> No.1651870

I did when I was a child. Okay, it was a children's version, but it was still one hell of a read.

>> No.1651873

I'v not read the ENTIRE thing, but iv read all of several books.

And you will find that very few Christians have read any of the bible. And in the words of that guy from the atheists experience "if you want to stop being a Christian, read the bible"

>> No.1651887

Most atheists have read the bible and know more about it than christians.

That says something.

>> No.1651891

I have several times, its a neat piece of historical fiction but that's all. Its not so much the whole "faith" thing that bothers me but that its not the only faith, in fact most faiths are rather incompatible with each other. Not going to play a game I cannot win.
Happen to be agnostic.

>> No.1651924

>>1651891

Oh you.

I try to read a chapter a day at least.

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>>1651891
agnostic what?

>> No.1651932

I've read parts of it when I was 12 (yes, really) and some Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on our door, me and my dad signed up for this "immersible experience" where we basically read chapters of the Bible once a week.

The dad's daughter was hot though. Shame she was a jesusfreak.

>> No.1651937

>>1651891
>Happen to be agnostic

Agnostic by definition means to "not know". It doesn't designate what you're not knowing. Every time you tell someone you're an agnostic, you're telling them "I'm a retard."

>> No.1651944

>>1651937
Agnostic - "Not knowing"
HURR DURR IM GOING TO STATE THAT I BELIEVE IN A GOD OR NOT DESPITE THE FACT I JUST FUCKING SAID I DIDNT KNOW HURR DURR

>> No.1651951

>>1651926

actually that's not at all what anti-theism means.

>> No.1651954

>>1651944
lol wut

>> No.1651961

>>1651944
not knowing says nothing about what you believe.
these are completely different concepts.

example:
i don't know for sure that anything in this world except me exists, but i believe it does.

>> No.1651965

>>1651944

you don't know for sure that the loch ness monster doesn't exit. You've still made a rational judgement on it though.

>> No.1651969

I'm not, I'm just skeptical of theism.

>> No.1651975

>>1651887
Visting SAB and only looking at the cruelty and violence, injustice and intolernnce sections is not reading the whole bible

>> No.1651980

>>1651937
retarded like socrates

>> No.1651982

>>1651969
you're... skeptical to it, but still believe it?

not entirely sure how those work together...

>> No.1651990

>>1651843

This is impossible. Try reading I Chronicles. I fucking dare you.

Nightmare mode: read it at night while under your bed covers

>> No.1651996

Read the whole thing. Not actually a bad book, as long as you don't believe in the magical Jesus stuff. It actually has some good life lessons.

>> No.1652000

>>1651996
remember kids: don't mock priests, or 42 angry she-bears will decend on your ass and rip you to pieces
that's how god ROLLS

>> No.1652002

I was 'raised' a Roman Catholic (Meaning if Grandma was visiting on a Sunday I had to go to Church but otherwise...) and went to a Roman Catholic Elementary/High School. I haven't even read a single book of the bible, let alone the thing in it's entirety. I don't think I was unique in that regard -- I get the impression that half of my Teachers weren't catholic and the ones that were didn't care. Everyone knew the Catholic School was way better funded, and managed it's funds better, then the Public school. (Newer Computers, better equipped science classrooms, Newer Textbooks, etc)

Also - Agnostic theist or agnostic atheist depending on how shitty my day was.

>> No.1652007

>>1651990
read the torah. it isn't as bad as you tink.

>> No.1652011

>>1651887
>Most atheists don't know shit about the bible except "hurr durr it's got contradictions, the internet told me so."

>> No.1652012

>>1651926
Agnostic-theist would be more accurate, way to be gigantic faggots o>

>> No.1652014

>>1652007
>think

>> No.1652018

>>1651926

Christ I hate you.

On that note, agnostic reporting in, I've been to church hundreds of times in my life, read much of the Bible, and even spent a few years at a Christian school. I haven't believed in God since I was five or six.

>> No.1652022

i read it out of boredom in religion class.... funniest bullshit stories ever!

>> No.1652028

King James. The entire thing.

I am an atheist for myriad reasons, many of which I'm sure you're all familiar with.

If there is a god, it is certainly not the God of the Bible. If it did turn out to be the God of the Bible I would be an atheist no more but I would never worship him etc. etc. etc.

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1652033

What about this book?

>> No.1652035

>>1652007

I'm ignorant. What's the major differences between the Torah and the Old Testament?

>> No.1652043

>>1651843
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but personally I don't care about the whole subject one way or another, it's not relevant to my life or my interests, and I think it's utter silliness for anyone to argue about the subject.

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1652054

nigga please

i have just ordered my free one

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>>1652028
what about the Koran

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>>1652033

STOP

MORMON TIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PXaJxzuDE

>> No.1652068

I read the children's version of the midrash up through vaikrya. Does that count?

>> No.1652069

>>1652035
they are almost the same thing but a much better tranlation of the original language than the KJV

>> No.1652075

>>1652069

lol KJV

I have no idea why the fuck evangelicals think a English Bible translated in 1611 is somehow more accurate than anything else

>> No.1652080

I finished the OT, but the NT is boring as fuck. Working on the Book of Mormon, but it's going slowly because I can't get the "dum dum dum dum dum" music out of my head.

>> No.1652086

I've read the KJV, NIV, Jefferson, several others I can't remember the names of, the Tanakh... multiple times.

Moral of the whole Book: Don't fuck with the bald guy. Bears are hungry and you are tasty.

>> No.1652087

>>1652033
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

>> No.1652088

>>1652056

AT LEAST THREE WIVES AT LEAST THREE WIVES

PRODUCED AT LEAST A BILLION ISRAELITES

>> No.1652092

Only read bits and pieces of Revelation because it's like a bad sci-fi story, which is at least more entertaining than the rest of the Bible.

>> No.1652093

>>1652055
fuckin muslim propaganda

>> No.1652094

>>1652087

Oh God, the first time I watched this video was such a mindfuck

I never realized Mormon doctrine was so completely off the rocker

>the Mormon Jeeeeeezus

>> No.1652100

>>1652056
I lol'd so fucking hard

>> No.1652102

Ex-Orthodox Jew here
I've read all of the OT in the original Hebrew

>> No.1652103

>>1652055
nuns are nuns by choice not out of fear of being stoned

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>>1652093

>> No.1652113

>>1652055
>BAAAAAWWWWW IM PERSECUTED

but at least they have more reason than christians to say that.

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>>1652033

I call myself catholic, never have read the bible but this mormon thing sounds retarded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVcw3OKs9GA

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>>1652103

>> No.1652120

>>1652113

Fuck, Dude. 70 years ago Jehovah's Witnesses were getting LYNCHED in the STREETS.

>> No.1652121

>>1652068

The who and the what now

Anyway /sci/

SHOULD I DO IT?

http://www.mormon.org/free-bible/

I don't have a paper copy of the KJV yet. Even though it's not accurate to the original, it's pretty influential to Western literature. On the other hand, I don't want to give these guys my phone number or e-mail.

>> No.1652122

>>1652109
>implying SO MUCH FUCKING BULLSHIT

>> No.1652125

>>1652120
[citation needed]

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>>1652109

>> No.1652129

>>1652068
midrash? the fucking Talmud?

>> No.1652136

>>1652129

Do you not know what those are, or what?

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1652138

Jesus was AWESOME. his fan-club not so much

>> No.1652139

>>1652122

Not exactly, when Islam first originated, it was head and shoulders above almost anywhere else on Earth in terms of treatment of women. Can you imagine anyone letting a woman getting a divorce in c. 700 in the Christian world?

The social justice part is also true, almsgiving is one of the Five Pillars. I guess by extension, helping the environment is also a matter of social justice.

>> No.1652141

I skipped Deuteronomy and some other from old testament. But the rest I think I read it.

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I read bible two times in it's entirety and I've been reading parts from time to time just to remind myself of something.

And truth be told I prefer the english King James version of the bible to the one in my native language. I will have to read it all one of these days.

>> No.1652143

>>1652126

Urban legends ITT

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>>1652138
agreed

>> No.1652149

>>1652028
I agree, if it turned out the Christian God was real I'd be pissed off. Not because it would mean I was wrong, rather because Yahweh or Jehova or whatever his name is is an asshole.

>> No.1652153

>>1652139
AT THE TIME. but it set that attitude in stone, sealed with what are believed to be the inviolate commandments of Allah. Islam's treatment of women is retrograde,there is no denying that fact.

>> No.1652166

>>1652143
IT'S IN THE FUCKING HADITH

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

>> No.1652167

>>1652138
Jesus was kind of a douche, he told people to abandon everything because the world was coming to and end, he encouraged people to be submissive to evil, and let's not forget the awful concept of hell.

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>> No.1652172

The problem with religions like Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism is that once their founder dies, the followers fuck it all up.

Buddhism as the Buddha taught it isn't even a religion. There's no prayer, no God, etc, etc. Metaphysics were useless speculation that did nothing for you. Now people calling themselves Buddhists pray to a man who himself said, "Don't pray to me when I am gone, for when I am gone I really will be gone."

Sigh.

>> No.1652181

who said /a/ was atheist. its just a few burthurts who cant understand things above their heads

>> No.1652183

>>1652172
every religion except Christianity has this problem. the Apostle Paul, however, effectively solved the succession crisis after Christ's death and formed a unified church and canon.

>> No.1652187

>>1652181
>/a/
>Anime and Manga

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:3

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>>1652183

>except Christianity

HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW

Pass that joint man.

>> No.1652196

>>1652183
A church that changes all the damn time. Whatever happened to extra ecclesia nulla salus?

>> No.1652199

>>1652068
The Little Midrash says?
Ah, memories. ;_;

>> No.1652200

>>1652149

>Not because it would mean I was wrong, rather because Yahweh or Jehova or whatever his name is is an asshole.

I never understood this kind of claim.

How can God be an asshole in anyway? It's impossible.

If God exists then his wishes are the morals we should follow. How can therefore be a malicious God.

You are making the mistake of basing your morals on secular motives and your logic. Those morals become irrelevant if God exists.

>> No.1652203

>>1652172

Buddhists don't pray to Buddha you fucking idiot. All that bowing? Not for Buddha.

>> No.1652209

>>1652187
aww, i thought everyone was to busy trolling to read the post and it would go unnoticed.
>give this man an internet

>> No.1652210

>>1652200
What does god base his morals on? If it's just his will, then they're not really morals at all. He's just a dictator.

>> No.1652214

>>1652200

Except that anything that God has told us has come from a human and not God. If he really wanted us to know something he would tell all of us and not just one crazy asshole having visions. The "word of God" is manmade.

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>>1652200
>ITS RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO AND IM YOUR DADDY

NOW GET BACK TO SUCKING

>> No.1652217

>>1652196
>>1652183

I was going to point out the protestant denominations but fuck that; they are barely Christian. Actually they aren't.

>> No.1652219

/sci/
>god doesnt exist because we cant see him herp

>> No.1652221

>>1652215
dammit, I meant to greentext that last part

>> No.1652226

former fundamentalistfag reporting in.

also, sage and reported.

>> No.1652228

>>1652214
do you demand that everyone tell you everything in person? no, that's what telephones, internet, messengers, etc. are for.

>> No.1652231

>>1652214
if they were having illusions then those were some badass illusions they were seeing cause

>> No.1652232

>>1652219
or detect any sign of which in any way.

>> No.1652234

>>1652166

As always, there are differing interpretations.

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

Nor was marrying someone at the age of 9 really that unusual a thousand fucking years ago. Context is important. Always keep context in mind. Annoys the fuck out of me when they release translations of Sun Tzu and Machiavelli and the cover blurb says its SELF-HELP: BUSINESS

>> No.1652235

>>1652200

>basing your morals on secular motives and your logic

Not really, I base my morals on my life experience and empathy. I am the only moral judge that counts. Even if god herself showed before me right this instant and told me outright what is the ultimate morality then I still would have to comprehend it based on my own understanding of the world. My own moral judgement is the only one I have and so do you.

And I judge that the god of the bible is a dick. A really fucked up dick.

>> No.1652239

>>1652228
if they can do so with ABSOLUTELY no problems, yes.

Wouldn't you think it's weird to get an instant message from the guy sitting NEXT TO YOU?

>> No.1652243

>>1652232
>cant detect
more like incapable of detecting

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>>1652235
>herself
haruhi-ist?

>> No.1652249

>>1652153

If it were c. 1200, we could switch "Christians" and "Muslims" around and your statement would still be true. Things don't stay the same forever, and just because the West treats its women well after the 19th century doesn't mean no one will ever catch up.

>> No.1652251

>>1652235
god cant be a dick, you only perceive to be one.
youre a child asking for candy and hes the parent saying no

>> No.1652254

>>1652244

Not really, I just like paraphrasing Carlin by saying that:
God, it has to be a woman. No man could or would ever fuck things up like this.

And Haruhi is a bitch, because of her KyonxYuki will never be canon.

>> No.1652256

>>1652215
>>1652214
>>1652210

I'm just point out the fault in the post I replied to.

In the eventuality that God exists it's obvious that any human made morals become irrelevant in comparison to God's wishes.

However. Let me clarify. The fault is reasoning through the wrong perspective.

Each and every one of us sees every action that effects him negatively as wrong. This might not be true from another human perspective. The same goes for God.

>> No.1652261

>>1652254
i think kyonxyuki's nonexistence is more due to yuki having no feelings whatsoever.

also, yuki wouldn't even exist without haruhi ._.

but yeah, she's a bitch

>> No.1652265

>>1652251
The reason that parents say no is because when they give you candy, it rots your teeth and makes you fat. They are not omnipotent.
However, God is omnipotent. He could give you candy AND make you think with a perfect smile. Someone who claims to be benevolent, yet doesn't do good things despite having the power to make it so that the good things have no downsides, is a dick.

>> No.1652266

>>1652251
except the candy is in unlimited supply and has no harmful effects

DICK

>> No.1652267

>>1652251

No, I'm a grown man asking why people insist on the existence of unseeable and immaterial father figure that created me just so he can blame me for sins of my ancestors that didn't even knew what sin was and judge me after I'm dead and torture me forever.

God is a dick, and even if she exists and says otherwise I don't care, as I sad, my own judgement is the only one that counts to me and the only one I have.

>> No.1652268

>>1652265
>thin*

>> No.1652270

I did read the whole thing, and it makes just that much more sense to be an atheist, because of it. Every time you pick up and read some holy-myth book, dragging yourself through it's scientific inaccuracies, and hypocrisies, you cannot help but feel proud of the decision to not fall for the tripe.

>> No.1652271

>>1652256
Yes, but God has the ability to make it so that it's positive from everyone's perspective, and yet s/he doesn't.

>> No.1652272

>>1652267
>>1652266
>>1652265
but all of this is irrelevant because He is God and you're not. He is all-knowing and you're not.

>> No.1652274

>>1652261

>yuki having no feelings whatsoever

>I have no idea what I'm talking about

uh oh...

>> No.1652276

>>1652256
So the rape and slaughter of the Amalekites at the end of Genesis is just a matter of perspective? That is ridiculous. Secular morals are far superior to anything in the bible.

>> No.1652278

>>1652265

Again wrong reasoning.

Who told you that God gives a fuck about you anyway?

He surely will not be commanded about by an imbecile creation of his.

He has the full right to do anything.

>> No.1652281

>>1652265
parents are relatively omnipotent to a child. youre saying that god can take back what he said a change it for you. why would anyone do something like that.

>> No.1652282

>>1652276
do you really think, with an intellect that is literally zero next to God's, that you can judge His actions?

>> No.1652284

>>1652274
yuki was a fucking alien machine, last i checked.

then again, long since i last delved into the whole thing, except for the occasional danbooru pic.

I might very well be wrong

>> No.1652285

>>1652272

What does it change? I have free will right? At least according to you people, after all if I don't I can't be held accountable for my actions if I'm just a puppet of god (which I would be because god is omniscient).

But if I have free will I can not give a fuck about god and judge god however I want to.

It's really quite simple.

>> No.1652288

>>1652251
Very interesting how you see yourself as a child.

>> No.1652290

>>1652278
That's shitty reasoning.

>>1652272
Growing up as an Orthodox Jew, I prayed 3 times a day. The amount of times I repeated a varation of the words "God is good" is too high for me to even contemplate. So yes, part of the reason why I'm an atheist is because my religion promised me a good god, and there is none.

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"I've read it. Boring, badly written and such nonsense that it's no wonder it has to be pounded into people when they're children or otherwise defensless."

"But most people here know that already."

So sayeth Karan S'jet, The One Who Set Us Free

>> No.1652300

>>1652281
Yes, because they affect me.

>> No.1652301

>>1652285
the whole concept of free will undermines omnipotence, as you will only be able to do stuff god is okay with.
if he doesn't want you to do it, he WILL stop you, provided he's omnipotent.

>> No.1652303

>>1652282
Well, first of all, god is only omniscient and omnibenevolent according to his fan club. No convincing evidence for these claims have ever been produced. Regardless, yes, I think that I can safely say that slaughtering and enslaving an entire tribe is immoral.

>> No.1652307

>>1652276

>That is ridiculous.

No it isn't. Point out my faults if you are so convinced of the opposite.

It's always a matter of perspectives. From God's perspective you are just a humble creation of his. A creation he has the right to do anything with.

Besides. On another argument entirely. God is omniscient you are not. You therefore can't judge his actions because you don't know the reason behind them and his intentions.

>> No.1652312

>>1652301

That's silly reasoning. If he can stop you from doing wrong than because we have people doing wrong we can assume if god exists he is evil because he doesn't help.

Yeah, yeah, Epicurus.

>> No.1652315

>>1652266
thats what all children think

>> No.1652319

>>1652282
Hows about you prove this god thing even exists before pissing out grand, elaborate claims about it, you damn dirty ape.

>> No.1652322

>>1652307
For fuck's sake
God has the ability to make everyone happy, while still achieving what he wants. If he feels like he has the right to allow a whole town to be raped and pillaged, he could at least have the decency to make the people of that town ENJOY being raped and pillaged. He can do anything.

>> No.1652323

>>1652288
we should all see ourselves as childlike when it comes to the knowledge of the universe.

>> No.1652330

>>1652315
Yes, but parents aren't by definition omnipotent, and God is.

>> No.1652335

>>1652312
it doesn't matter whether he's good or bad, you simply CAN NOT do anything he is OK with.
The only possibility for free will is that god is apathic.
It works then, but ONLY then.

>> No.1652337

>>1652307
If you don't already think that genocide and slavery are wrong, nothing I say will convince you. You go ahead be blindly obedient, and I'll take the risk of thinking for myself.

>> No.1652345

ITT: People still think we have free will

Even without God, our brains are deterministic machines.

>> No.1652349

>>1652319
with what science? god cant be proved with science.
explaining god is like trying to explain to someone trying to explain what yellow is to someone else who was born blind.
you can never truly make him believe that yellow exist no matter what, he just has to fucking believe

>> No.1652351

>>1652203

I know lots of Buddhists who pray to the Buddha. They give him offerings, etc, etc. He's been deified. Deal with it.

>> No.1652356

>>1652307
Creating us doesn't give him the right to do anything he wants with them, no more than I can do anything I want to my children.

>> No.1652357

>>1652349
and he's actually pretty fucking stupid if he simply takes your word for it.
and it IS possible to explain what the color yellow is to someone who is blind.

>> No.1652359

>>1652349
If he interacts with the world, he can be proven empirically.

That's science's most basic assumption and I'm stickin' with it.

>> No.1652360

>>1652335

>it doesn't matter whether he's good or bad

YES IT DOES.

I judge the god of the bible to be a dick right now. And? Even if he exists I am still judging him to be a dick. What now? I don't have the right to judge him an his actions or decisions? I do.

I may be wrong by HER standards, but not by mine. And as I repeated over and over again, my own judgement is the only one that matters and the only one that I have.

>> No.1652361

>>1652330
ITT: God doent grant me my wishes eventhough he can so he doesnt exist
>assuming he gives a fuck about

>> No.1652367

>>1652349
Electromagnetic spectrum disagrees with the validity and relevance of that statement.

If something exists, it can and will interact in some way with the rest of us, at some point. If it exists and never interacts, then why bother saying that it exists at all?

Proof of your claim-positive, or leave it the fuck out of /sci/. You have no place here. Go to /x/.

>> No.1652372

>>1652357
Hell, you can even prove to him that it does.

>>1652356
also, just thought i'd shoot in that to any hypothetical god, we're most likely like bacteria on a petri dish.

>> No.1652373

>>1652337

>If you don't already think that genocide and slavery are wrong,

God did not commit genocide and neither did he commit slavery. It's complicated to understand perhaps but you still aren't getting it. Imagine yourself in a God's perspective. Perhaps that might help.

>nothing I say will convince you.

Convince me of what?

>You go ahead be blindly obedient,

Blindly obedient to what?

>and I'll take the risk of thinking for myself.

Try harder. You still aren't thinking for yourself I see.

>> No.1652375

>>1652357
you can explain it all you want but as far as hes concerned its all bullshit cause he can never experience it

>> No.1652376

>>1652361
No, it's actually more like
>God has the ability to grant everyone's wishes, at no cost to anybody
>He doesn't
>God, if he exists, is a dick
>My religion says God is good
>My religion is wrong
>Why believe in any other one without any evidence?

>> No.1652381

>>1652361

>>assuming he gives a fuck about

Oh, so god created a world in which sentient beings suffer and he doesn't give a fuck? What a great god that is indeed.

>> No.1652384

>>1652360
bitch, i was argumenting that free will is incompatible with a god that is omnipotent and gives a shit about what we do.

>> No.1652387

>>1652375
Since when do you need to experience something to believe in it?

>> No.1652390

>>1652367
things that exist interact with us. what the hell are you saying, of course they do. but you cant perceive everything. just like he will never perceive yellow.

>> No.1652395

>>1652387
since becoming an adult
also, any plausible scientific evidence will do

>> No.1652399

>>1652384

Well, it obviously is incompatible. But why an APATHETIC god change that if she's still omniscient? Doesn't fucking matter.

>> No.1652400

>>1652390
He will perceive it, through means other than a sense of sight he doesn't have.

>> No.1652401

>>1652387
since apparently you have to experience god to believe him according to /sci/

>> No.1652403

>>1652399
i'm just saying, an apathetic god CAN be omnipotent, AND let us have free will at the same time.
that's all i was getting at, dammit.

>> No.1652404

>God, if extant, could grant any wish at no cost
>He doesn't
>Therefore, God is a dick
>My religion agrees
>Imokwiththis.jpg

>> No.1652411

>>1652376

>>God, if he exists, is a dick

Wrong.

>>My religion says God is good

Wrong. Christianity says God is just. This justness you cannot perceive because of your lack of omniscience.

In conclusion you are the dick because you are irrationally judging God despite your pathetic lack of knowledge and wisdom.

>> No.1652412

>>1652390
IF YOU STUDY THE EM SPECTRUM, IT SHOWS YOU THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT COLORS. The man who cannot see yellow may not know what it looks like, but he knows it's there. Can you fucking see X-rays with your eyes? Can you see the AIR you breathe? NO. But you can look for the interactions, and the relations, and derive that it does in-fact exist.

DO THAT WITH YOUR FAIRYTALE MAN IN THE SKY.

Are you DENSE or just trolling?

>> No.1652413

>>1652403

Just omnipotent, yes, but no he can;t if she's also omniscient.

I've had enough, besides it's time for another Twin Peaks episode.

>> No.1652416

>>1652400
???

>> No.1652422

>>1652411

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I could be the dumbest motherfucker in the world and I would still be right if I could just comprehend that sentient beings are capable of suffering.

omnipotent god + suffering = douchebag god

>> No.1652423

>>1652413
true, omniscience also rapes free will, unless it's somehow restricted to present and past, with no way of seeing the future.

>> No.1652424

>>1652411
A just person wouldn't inflict unnecessary suffering.
As for why god is not a dick, you didn't elaborate.

Lastly, like I said earlier, I was Jewish. There's a prayer we say twice a day where we basically list what's great about god.

>> No.1652429

>>1652412
>implying hes going to believe colors exist

>> No.1652431

I've read the entire Bible except for the boring repetitive bits (Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, most of the Prophets).
My favorite books of the OT: Ruth and Ecclesiastes. Probably not a coincidence that they have almost nothing in them about God.
My favorite book of the NT: Matthew. Has Jesus saying some cool, enlightened things.

>> No.1652434

>>1652423
you dont believe in free will anyways so why do you care.

>> No.1652436

>>1652416
He will feel the heat of yellow light on his body, even though he cannot differentiate it from other colors.
Other people will tell him about yellow light.
He could run experiments with dogs that have been trained to, say, eat only yellow dog food.

>> No.1652437

>>1652422

>omnipotent god + suffering = douchebag god

This. It's really quite simple religiousfags.

>> No.1652440

>>1652412
he understands yellow but cant perceive yellow. thats my damn point.

>> No.1652444

>>1652429
I am red-green colorblind. All it took was for me to actually pay attention in high-school to understand there are ranges of the spectrum that I cannot directly see, but know are there. Granted, before that, I didn't believe there existed "colors" that I could not see, but I was TEN GODDAMN YEARS OLD.

DURP^googol

>> No.1652448

>>1652437
what you consider suffering and what he onsiders suffering are two very different things.

>> No.1652450

>>1652440
therefore, what?
You were saying that believing in God is like perceiving yellow, and that's not true. It's like believing in yellow, and that happens to anyone.

>> No.1652453

>>1652440
And my point is that you need not perceive it with only your body and overclocked ape-brain. You may also measure it with instruments.

That hasn't been done with the gods of religion.

Provide evidence and come back.

>> No.1652456

>>1652424

>A just person wouldn't inflict unnecessary suffering.

Again. Come back to me when you gain omniscience. Otherwise that's not necessary true.

>As for why god is not a dick, you didn't elaborate.

It's a logically fallacy to even state that. Again it's a matter of perspectives. If a tiger hunts down a human to feed her cubs the human tribe will deem the tiger evil. Yet the tiger had only good intentions. So is the tiger evil or not? It's a matter of perspectives.

>Lastly, like I said earlier, I was Jewish. There's a prayer we say twice a day where we basically list what's great about god.

It still applies.

>> No.1652457

>>1652434
I never stated that i didn't, but that is true

also, i care because... well, fuck if i know.
I just like to clarify my position.


>>1652429
colored boxes, motherfucker, do you know them?

>3 identical boxes in terms of shape and form
>one is yellow, you say
>you place his hand on the box you claim is yellow, and ask him to confirm that all are the exact same, except for the "yellow" you claim exists
>you leave the room
>he shuffles the boxes around
>you tell him 100% of the time which of the three boxes (left, middle, right) is the original yellow box, with 100% accuracy

There, you have now proven that you have a power he does not, and that "yellow" exists.

You're welcome, retard.

>> No.1652458

>>1652183
What Paul did is to popularize the idea that Jesus' life and death was a supernatural revolution that completely changed the nature of the Universe and God's relationship to Man. Heathens like me who believe that Jesus existed and was a great teacher, usually don't believe that he himself thought of himself in that way.

>> No.1652459

>>1652448

Who gives a fuck.

someone suffers -> god claims that they aren't really suffering -> that person is still suffering and god is a dick

>> No.1652460

>>1652448
The very fact that I suffer from it makes it bad.

>> No.1652463

I've probably read 90% of it.

Why are we atheists?

Obviously it is because we're all sexually unappealing aspies.

http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_appears_to_be_significantly_less_appealing_to_women

>> No.1652466

>>1652450
no i was saying perceiving god is like perceiving yellow.

>> No.1652470

>>1652456
The tiger is not evil because there is no way for it to survive without killing something. God is evil because he could do whatever he wants without making anybody sad.

>> No.1652471

>>1652463

>http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_appears_to_be_significantly_less_appealing_to_women
>conservapedia

Ah well, that might be even true, and so what? Women are illogical beings incapable of reason and ruled by emotions. Your point?

>> No.1652473

>>1652460
parents cause children to suffer when they deny them, does this make all parents douchebags, no. the parents that dont deny are the dicks

>> No.1652474

>>1652466
what about
>>1652349
?

>> No.1652475

>>1652470
This implies that you are powerless to control your emotions.

>> No.1652480

>>1652473
At times, I am. In any case, the act of suppressing emotion is also unpleasant.

>>1652475
Parents deny kids because it's for their own good. God could achieve my own good without making me suffer.
If parents inflict UNNECESSARY suffering on a child, they are indeed dicks.

>> No.1652482

>talking about the ethics of an imaginary creature
take this shit to /x/ so they have something to circlejerk off to again

>> No.1652483

>>1652457
as far as hes concerned... THATS BULLSHIT

>> No.1652484

wuts the bibol?

>> No.1652485

>>1652459

>someone suffers -> god claims that they aren't really suffering -> that person is still suffering and god is a dick

Perhaps the problem he is the definition of evil. This might be entirely subjective. I myself don't see anything evil with the whole ordeal given God has full right (and he has .... being God) to do so.

I myself never understood this notion of basing morals on suffering/comfort. I like to reason morals through rights (not civil rights mind you).

>> No.1652487

>punishing you creations capable of sinning that have no understanding of what sin if for committing a sin

Yeah, I've read the bible. I can enjoy it as a piece of art but I enjoy it more as a tool to show people how little they know about their own faith and how ridiculous it really is.

My favourite lines are the ones coming directly from jesus about why you should not go yo church and why you should not trust clergy.

It's priceless.

>> No.1652489

>>1652483
He can very easily verify it.

>Put a feather inside a box that a sighted friend says is yellow
>Lock the box.
>Blind guy takes the box, along with two other boxes to another sighted friend who does not know which box it is
>Tell him that "it's in the yellow box"
>Watch him get it right
>Repeat, watch them be right 100% of the time

Proof of yellow.

>> No.1652491

>>1652470

>The tiger is not evil because there is no way for it to survive without killing something. God is evil because he could do whatever he wants without making anybody sad.

That wasn't an analogy. It was an example of judging through perspectives.

Tell me than. Why is it evil for God not to give you what you want?

>> No.1652497

>>1652491
It's not evil for God to not give me what I want.
It's evil for God to allow me to suffer, when he could intervene at no cost to himself, me, or anybody else.

>> No.1652498

>>1652485

>God has full right (and he has .... being God) to do so.

WHY? Fucking WHY does he have that right? Just because might makes right?

Even if god is all powerful and all knowing doesn't mean he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

If I created a simulated(quantum computing? whatever) universe in which I would make sentient beings suffer wouldn't I be a HUMONGOUS dick? Or would I have the right to do that just because I have complete control and all the knowledge about that universe?

>> No.1652500

>>1652491
not that guy, here.

Because he can do so with NO ill effects ever coming from it at all.
It's not evil, it's being a dick.

>>1652489
Also, to you:
Further improvement:
the guy does it with several different friends.

>> No.1652501

>>1652489
you cant percieve something you cant fucking perceive.
>sighted friend
argument fails there. he believes his friend.

>> No.1652504

You guys believe in God LOL?
You're all fucking batshit insane.
What proofs do you have that God exists? NONE

>> No.1652506

>>1652501
since that friend is at the same time actually providing proof that he's sighted.

he doesn't even need to believe the other guy can see, as it will be proven at the same exact time yellow is.
if he can see yellow, this proves that yellow exists, and that he can see it.

>> No.1652508

>>1652504
cant perceive god so he doesnt exist.
>hi, welcome to /sci/

>> No.1652511

>>1652500

>Because he can do so with NO ill effects ever coming from it at all.
>ENDLESS SUFFERING IN HELL FOR BILLIONS OF PEOPLE

Are you fucking high or just trolling?
Sweet evil step-dancing zombie jesus, I'm getting trolled hard aren't I?

>> No.1652512

>>1652501
No, he brings the box to any amount of sighted friends, and they agree 100% of the time.

>>1652500
I meant to imply that it was with multiple ones. Probably should have said it outright.

>> No.1652515

>WHY? Fucking WHY does he have that right? Just because might makes right?

Because he's the supreme creator. It's pretty basic philosophy here. I shall not discuss this further. Research it yourself.

>Even if god is all powerful and all knowing doesn't mean he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

Yes he does. See about. Do you even know what a right is?

>If I created a simulated(quantum computing? whatever) universe in which I would make sentient beings suffer wouldn't I be a HUMONGOUS dick? Or would I have the right to do that just because I have complete control and all the knowledge about that universe?

You would have full rights obviously. Dick or not is subjective. Personally you wound't be a dick.

>> No.1652516

nothing intresting or thought provoking in this thread

no ontological argument
no cosmological argument
no argument from transcendance

just tired old moral argument

trolltheist give an argument or gtfo


...pantheists and deists gtfo your just anthropomorphising

>> No.1652520

>>1651843

> Why is /sci/ an atheist?

Since when did /sci/ become a person?

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1652521

>>1652515

MAXIMUM TROLLING

>> No.1652522

>>1652512
he believes them then. bottom line, he has to believe in the first place

>> No.1652523

I've read it.

Haters gonna hate.

>> No.1652525

>>1652516
Ontological argument is just stupid.

Watch:
I can think of the perfect sandwich.
The purpose of a sandwich is to feed people; therefore, a perfect sandwich would exist for anyone who is hungry and would last until they are full.
I am hungry.
I don't have a sandwich.

>> No.1652526

>talking about the ethics of an imaginary creature
take this shit to /x/

>> No.1652528

>>1652515

>Because he's the supreme creator. It's pretty basic philosophy here. I shall not discuss this further. Research it yourself.

Trolling pretty hard aren't you?
I'm done here, I think everyone is after this post.

>> No.1652530

>>1652511
>the omnipotent creator of everything is unable to create a bike without endless suffering in hell for billions of people

...wat?

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>>1652515

9/10

>> No.1652535

>>1652530
not that guy but ima use your post.
>if you could spoil a child would you?

>> No.1652538

>>1652497
>It's not evil for God to not give me what I want.
It's evil for God to allow me to suffer, when he could intervene at no cost to himself, me, or anybody else.

What you want is not to suffer. Duh! Why is it evil than? I still can't understand why letting you suffer is evil?!

>>1652500

>Because he can do so with NO ill effects ever coming from it at all.
It's not evil, it's being a dick.

Sure in your perspective God is being a dick. That's acceptable. That's also what he wants to be whether you like it or not.

>> No.1652544

>>1652522
not really, no.
He simply has to test their claims.

the claims being: there exists a color "yellow"
and
most people can detect it

both of these claims are tested in the boxtest.

>>1652535
If I could do it without ANY ill effects ever coming from it ever?
Fuck yes I would.

>> No.1652550

>>1652528

>Trolling pretty hard aren't you?

What fuck you!

I can't believe you don't even have the balls to admit defeat being Anonymous and everything. I'm trying to be as ration and open minded as possible and you accuse me of trolling. Fuck you.

>> No.1652559

>wasting time on the ethics of an imaginary creature
take this shit to /x/ nao

>> No.1652560

>>1652522
No, he doesn't believe them. Let me repeat this to you for a moment, okay? Clearly this time.

I am a blind person. I have three boxes. People tell me that these boxes are red, yellow, and blue. I do not believe that there are such concepts as red, yellow, and blue.

So I devise an experiment. I put a feather, which is light so nobody will be able to feel the right box by weight, inside the box my friend says is yellow. I lock it so they can't open it and see.

I then bring the box to another sighted person. My first friend and he have not had the chance to conspire against me. I tell him to pick the yellow box. He picks the box with the feather in it. I go to a third sighted friend. I tell him to pick the yellow box. He picks the one with the feather. Repeat until satisfied.

What does this prove? "Yellow" is sufficient information for a sighted person to pick the correct box 100% of the time. Clearly, yellow must exist.

>> No.1652561

For fuck sake, this is so stupid,
God does not exist.

Religion is false, it's just a fake story to control and motivate people to do good. With God, your life is restricted, and IF (which he doesnt) god exists, then God would surely prefer you to live LIFE rather than care about God. God doesn't exist.

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>>1652550

2/10

You were pretty good there for a moment, now your troll-fu is getting weaker.

>> No.1652568

>>1652544
thats like you asking one christian to verify that another christian exist thus proving christians.

also, not spoiling your children doesnt make you a bad parent. from some perspectives your a bad parent for spoiling him.

>> No.1652572

>>1652561
>implying you exist

>> No.1652575

>Implying I am not A human

>> No.1652578

>>1652563

>trolling

You can't accuse him of trolling. His post was 100% on topic and in no way excessively irrational or stupid. It's ironical that you're accusation of trolling is the only troll post I see. If you continue with this farce you would be merely strengthening my point.

>> No.1652580

>>1652568
See
>>1652560

Also, a parent is only a bad parent for spoiling a child because the child is negatively affected. If there was some way to spoil a kid without negatively affecting the child or the parents, it would be wrong to let a kid suffer.

>> No.1652583

>>1652568
it makes you a dick to not spoil it if you can without any ill effects.
it doesn't make you "bad" or "evil", it makes you a dick.

also, how is that comparable to christians showing you another christian?

convert the experiment into a "christian showing that other christians exist" please?
this should be possible if they are basically the same.

>> No.1652588

>being idiots enough to keep up a thread about the ethics of an imaginary creature
take this shit to /x/

>> No.1652598

>>1652528

>Trolling pretty hard aren't you?
>I'm done here, I think everyone is after this post.

http://www.google.com.mt/search?hl=mt&q=define:+right&btnG=Fittex


>an abstract idea of that which is due to a person or governmental body by law or tradition or nature; "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"; "Certain rights can never be granted to the government but must be kept in the hands of the people"- Eleanor Roosevelt; "a ...
>"they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Now stop this bullshit.

>> No.1652601

>>1652578

When I asked why god has the right to do whatever he/she wants he didn't answer. Instead just said that it's obvious and he won't talk about it.

Who is trolling here bro?

>> No.1652604

>>1652560
listen, there is one major flaw with your argument.
no matter what experiments you conduct, you will never perceive the colors.

>> No.1652606

>>1652598
>>1652601

>> No.1652609

>>1652525
yes I agree, Its just all those getting trolled into explaining themselves when it is the trolltheist making the assertion who should be explaining

>> No.1652611

>>1652583
people who spoil their children are dicks because they are creating spoiled children.

>> No.1652612

I read the whole bible. What a load of shit. Old Testament is pretty hilarious, though. God kills everyone for the lulz.

>> No.1652619

>dozens of different religions,

"GOD BRINGS PEACE AND LOVE"

>dozens of different gods,

"GOD WILL BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD"

>are you a fucking retard

"GOD IS THE WAY FORWARD"

>mosques, churchs, synagogues, etc

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>> No.1652626

>>1652598

Are you shitting me?
Just because some theist said so doesn't mean that's what a right is. I personally think that a god doesn't have the right to do whatever he/she wants if it impacts on other sentient beings. It doesn't matter if we are talking about god or pink invisible unicorns.

Just because I created someone sentient doesn't mean I have the right to do whatever the hell I want with them.

You assertion that god has the right to do anything has no basis.

>> No.1652635

>>1652612

>God kills everyone for the lulz.

Suppose God exists and please take away your biased views (I'm atheist myslef). I'm trying to understand why it's makes God evil to "kill everyone for the lulz". I'm pretty sure it's entirely subjective but if anybody is capable to provide a logical argument that'd be cool.

Thanks!

>> No.1652647

>>1652635

It's not objectively wrong or objectively evil, it can't be. I can only proclaim it as subjectively evil for me. Because I can directly experience that evil and I can see it in the world.

That's about it.

>> No.1652648

People only believe in gods and have religions because they are afraid of death and not knowing what will happen. I'll spell it out for you, since you will die and loose your persona and your mind while dying, you can't feel anything or think after you're dead therefore you are'nt anymore and then really have nothing to be afraid of. Because you cant "feel" it and so on, just accept it people.

No offense, I could be wrong, there could be an almighty godbeing out there who randomly gives life to a race of "apes" because he's boared or he wants some creatures to praise him what do I know.

>> No.1652650

>>1652626

>Are you shitting me?

No I'm not. Who is to give the rights to an object if not it's creator. Who has more right to it if not the creator himself (who mind you in this case was helped by nobody). Who?

>> No.1652655

SURE IS SCIENCE IN HERE.

>> No.1652657

>>1652604
you will know of their existence.
you will have pretty overwhelming proof that they DO exist.

>> No.1652658

You do realize that every last one of you in this thread are all rediculous for arguing about his subject, right? Seriously, you should all volunteer to be sterilized so that you don't breed. I'll be over here occupying my valuable time with subjects and activities that actually matter.

>> No.1652664

>>1652647

>It's not objectively wrong or objectively evil, it can't be. I can only proclaim it as subjectively evil for me. Because I can directly experience that evil and I can see it in the world.

>That's about it.

Well that's exactly my conclusion so far but some people around here see to think differently and I can't wrap my head over the logic behind this.

>> No.1652665

>>1652650

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IF IT INFRINGES OF THE FREEDOMS OF OTHERS

Not even god.

Fuck god who thinks he can.

I'm not saying it's an objective rule, that would be absurd, it's a subjective one.

>> No.1652669

RELIGION WILL END THE WORLD

>> No.1652671

I started writing this long post about the big bang and how the notion of a "beginning" to time leaves a philosophical opening to the notion of a "creator", but the post kept getting longer and longer and I'm pretty sure no one would respond to it, so I'll just paste the first paragraph:

> First off, believing in any of the *religious* tenets of any religion is just stupid. Jesus was not the son of any god, dharma exists only in the mind of people who want to believe in it, Muhammad spoke to voices in his head, etc.

>> No.1652672

>>1652657
as far as you are concerned, its magic

>> No.1652673

>>1652658

>You do realize that every last one of you in this thread are all rediculous for arguing about his subject, right?

Why? Somebody doesn't like Philosophy?

>Seriously, you should all volunteer to be sterilized so that you don't breed. I'll be over here occupying my valuable time with subjects and activities that actually matter.

You are on 4chan, idiot.

>> No.1652676

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>> No.1652681

>>1652665

Freedom is also a right retard. You have fallen into circular logic.

Not permitting God to kill his creation infringes on the freedom of God.

If you can't directly answer who has the right over something than STFU.

>> No.1652684

>>1652635
basically

does god commanding something make it moral? or does he command it because it is moral?

if his command makes it moral then morality is subjective, cue occams razor it was subjective to begin with without god

if he commands it because it is moral then where does he get it from? cue infinite regress

>> No.1652686

>>1652671

>first sentence claiming the unprovable

Nice start lol.

>> No.1652688

>>1651926

Who gives a shit. I call me self agnostic. U mad?

>> No.1652689

250 posts and 21 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

F*UCK

>> No.1652697

Ok yeah, theres a dude up in the sky sitting on a cloud right now watching you all make choices and every single time you make a bad choice he cringes and cusses at you; and every time you make a good choice he smiles.

>> No.1652699

>>1652681

Why are you so fixated on objectivity? Everything I postulate is subjective. I though that's obvious.

Only reality is objective you really want something objective. But god, he/she's also subjective.

>> No.1652705

>>1652672
Yes, and?
You honestly think this way?
>i can't accurately explain this, therefore i have no reason to believe it exists, even when provided overwhelming amount of evidence

>> No.1652714

>>1652684
>does god commanding something make it moral?
or does he command it because it is moral?

>if his command makes it moral then morality is subjective,

Well it is subjective but given that there is only one omnipotent, omniscient God this argument doesn't seem right.

>cue occams razor it was subjective to begin with without god

>if he commands it because it is moral then where does he get it from? cue infinite regress

Obviously impossible.

>> No.1652722

>>1652714

Why do you assume that what god commands or says has to be objective? That's ridiculous.

Is subjective, it's just that god has more power so might makes right.

>> No.1652731

>>1652714
>Well it is subjective but given that there is only one omnipotent, omniscient God this argument doesn't seem right.

Well it is subjective [occams razor cuts here] *snip*

>> No.1652733

>>1652699

>is subjective

Well huge misunderstanding or what? I assumed you were talking objectively because subjective there isn't even anything to argue?!

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>> No.1652759

>>1652733

Looks like it.

Ah well, at least I killed some time.

>> No.1652763

>>1652731

Well so morality is subjective just as I assumed:

>I'm pretty sure it's entirely subjective


So what's the conclusion? There is no way the God can be objectively right or wrong? I think it's pretty good no?

>> No.1652768

Know your enemy!

>> No.1652772

>>1652768

Haha who God?

That would be irrelevant in this case.

>> No.1652789

>>1652763
yes I agree with you, I was giving you the argument

posed the question
examined the implications

now pose the question to a theist and watch them squirm

>> No.1652793

>>1652075
it actually is, bumfuck. I study greek and hebrew and if i wanna check my work... i check it in the KJV.... it's the most loyal to the original text...

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>my face when this thread actually WILL 404 pretty fast because it will reach the post limit

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>> No.1652814

>>1652092
bad sci-fi story? it was written in "code" to avoid persecution... All the symbols and shit come from Daniel... so of course you dont fuckin understand it...

>> No.1652828

>>1652809

Yeah, sorry, I was going to, but I forgot.

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>> No.1652852

Report all religion threads!
http://www.4chan.org/rules#sci

/sci/ - Science & Math

1. All science and math related topics welcome.
2. Homework threads will be deleted, and the poster banned.
3. No "religion vs. science" threads.

>> No.1652859

>>1652789

>theist and watch them squirm

Why?

I read the other poster's conclusion. It basically says that morals are subjective, no? So that leaves everybody to decide for himself whether God is evil or not no?

So how should that confuse me as a Christian? I believe that God is good but obviously that's just my opinion. How does that go against Christianity in anyway.

>> No.1652871

>>1652852
but this ISN'T a religion vs science thread.

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>> No.1652906

>>1652871

This makes me sad. We were having so much fun until the trolls came and ruined everything =(

Anyway while I'm still here

CHRISTIANFAGS I NEED YOUR ADVICE

I DESIRE A FREE BIBLE. Don't have KJV yet. Luckily this one is available.

http://www.mormon.org/free-bible/

Should i do it? y/n

(I'm kind of afraid of giving these guys my real e-mail.)

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