/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1622121]

Any computer science majors in here?
How is it?
Is it boring? interesting?
Do tell

[Anonymous No.1622131]

Depends.
If you are a nerd you might find it interesting, like I do.
Can't talk, don't have time right now.

[OGRE No.1622136]

your dick shrinks until you complete your B.S

[Anonymous No.1622344]

CS Major here.
Best major. There, I said it!

[Anonymous No.1622377]

CS is shit, any mathematician, physicist and engineer can do the same things as a CS major with like 2 months studying if hes/she is smart enough, so don't waste your life. Stephen Wolfram is a physicist and look at him, he's the CEO of the greatest math related company, and he's an exceptional software developer.

[Anonymous No.1622405]

Writing a program ≠ Knowing what you're doing

[Anonymous No.1622406]

its good if you like it. but the pay isn't that good, unless you're a manager, software engineer or something.

[Anonymous No.1622421]

bananas;
bananas everywhere

[Anonymous No.1622425]

Like that guy said :
>>1622406

And this guy is right:
>>1622377

[Anonymous No.1622426]

ECE>>>>>>>CS

[Anonymous No.1622430]

>>1622377
You did not have a PhD in particle physics from Caltech when you were 20 years old. You are not Stephen Wolfram. The average person is not Stephen Wolfram.

Yes, people with high enough mathematical aptitude can pick up subjects built on it quite easily. This is as true of physics as it is of Compsci or engineering or economics.

[̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏FAGGATRON_3000 ̏̏ !U0FKfqmRjs No.1622432]

CS is terrible right now.

Programmers are easily outsourced and the influx is saturating the field. Do EE instead, you'll be much better off.

[Anonymous No.1622438]

i should have done mechanical engineering T_T

[Anonymous No.1622461]

>>1622430
What Wolfram does is nothing special and having a degree at 20 years doesn't mean shit. look at Einstein he even struggled at university that's why he couldn't find any work, and hes uncle or some other relative barely managed to put him in a shitty patent office. So doesn't matter when you graduate it matters what you have in your head, and anyone that is interested in math, physics, engineering has enough in his head to master CS in 2 months.

[Anonymous No.1622463]

>>1622432
spot on.

[Anonymous No.1622479]

>>1622432
What you're saying is true, but you can still go the self-employed route.

[Anonymous No.1622497]

"All science is either physics or stamp collecting"
-Ernest Rutherford

[Anonymous No.1622498]

>>1622461
>master CS in 2 months.

Wow you have no idea. High level computer science is at least as hard as any other field, and some of the concepts are unique in a way that you need a different approach then say physics to understand it.

[Anonymous No.1622503]

>>1622461

I think there is a bit more to it than just 2 months, seriously. You can do just normal programming, which can be really tricky and hard. Just take video games for example. Take those most complicated ones, and think. It really doesn't seem that easy to make one, say WoW, or one Crysis, or whatever. There are like millions of lines of code there, and you have to think on you own about every possible function.
I really think that with CS, it all depends on your skill and comitment, as so you can make something that will catch on and really be earning much.

Also, CS includes robotics and all other similliar shit, so I dont really think it can be mastered in just 2 months.

I am just starting college this year, i got into Electrical Engineering college. It is a bit different in my country, but main catch is: first year is same for everyone on this college, and u learn a lot of maths, electro-technics (or whatever) and physics and programming. Then on second year u choose between 6 section, and I cant decide what to choose yet - There is a section for Computers ( I think its Computer Engineering, closest to Computer Science there is here), then you got Electronics, Telecomunications, Systems and Signals, and some other stuff.
I was thinking to choose Computers, but I am not sure which will pay off more, both in money, knowledge, and also in creativity and being interesting and so. If someone can reccomend anything, I'd be thankful

[Anonymous No.1622513]

>>1622498
the point is that if someone can understand quantum physics and particle physics which are much more complicated than CS, CS will be a stroll on a nice summer evening for him.

[Anonymous No.1622535]

>>1622503
CS does NOT include robotics, that's EE's work, maybe the programming of the robot, but they wouldn't let a CS major near any circuit.

[Anonymous No.1622542]

>>1622513
No its not much more complicated. It just different.

You could have it another way, once you have a Ph.D. in CS particle physic is a stroll on a nice summer evening.

[Anonymous No.1622545]

>>1622503
and that's why no one works alone on a game, its broken down into peaces for smaller groups of people.

[Anonymous No.1622553]

>>1622535
There is Computer Science college in my country, and it has robotics classes in it. I didnt go to that college cuz it costs too much money, that why I chose EE, but I still dont know which section would be best if I wanted to build robots, Computers, Electronics, or Systems and Signals. Also heard Telecomunications are good. But it all goes into EE I guess.

[Anonymous No.1622557]

>>1622542
hardly. you never learn crucial concepts. you could know something about particle physics enough for debating on 4chan but you could never ever work as an physicist. no one will give you the responsibility to work on LHC, you know this isn't programming where you can re run 10 times until u figure out the problem, one mistake and lots of people die, like in Chernobyl.

[Anonymous No.1622560]

CS includes speech recognition, computer vision, bioinformatics, data mining, software engineering, cryptography, theoretical crap, compilers, language processing. It's fucking endless the topics in CS and these neanderthals are just ignorant of the research possibilities offered in CS and the amount of study it takes to master the topics.

[Anonymous No.1622561]

>>1622553
so stay out of this, you are clearly an EE. this is about CS and those are not the same.

[Anonymous No.1622568]

>>1622560
just one line that proves that CS is just not important and that is just leeching form the knowledge provided by physics and math.

Nobody ever won a noble price for CS. Bill is just rich.

[Anonymous No.1622576]

>>1622561
I'm asking cuz I wanted to choose Computers, and thats the closest I get to your CS major in USA or wherever, in my country.

[Anonymous No.1622582]

>>1622568

Kissinger won the peace prize, nobel prizes don't mean shit

[Anonymous No.1622605]

oh god why am i even talking to retards from 4chan who think that their computers are the answer to anything. CS is wasting you life, your work wont matter in 15 years, and wont live to speak for you long after your death like it did for newton, Euler, Leibniz, Einstein, Riemann...

[Anonymous No.1622608]

>>1622568
Are you retarded or something? Nobel prizes are not given for engineering or math. So it's pretty unlikely they would give it for CS. CS has the Turing award anyway.

[Anonymous No.1622617]

ITT: People who don't know what a Turing machine is claim that they can master CS in two months.

[Anonymous No.1622618]

>>1622560
this.

the amount of theory in CS is huge, and it's all very interesting. you ought to be mathematically inclined if you want to do something interesting with CS, though. otherwise you'll just end up a software fag, like everyone else in this thread is saying.

[Anonymous No.1622623]

Electrical engineering is more comparable to software engineering than computer science (gee, who would have thought?!)

Computer science is partly about using computers to solve problems on the frontier but mostly about making the problem solving process more efficient or finding new ways to solve problems using computers.

If you go into computer science big time you will be looking at topics like classification of data using neural networks, genetic algorithms, computability and so on. The great thing about CS is you can do nearly anything with it- build better physics simulations if you're into physics, research and create better algorithms for allowing a robot to navigate an environment if you like robotics. If you like games you can even do stuff in that area, like research p2p sharding for virtual worlds or new graphics techniques.

[Anonymous No.1622628]

>>1622568
They give out the nobel price like 20 years after the discoveries. CS is a young field and you are right there's no nobel price for CS.

Another reason it might be more interesting then one of the older fields is that a lot more of the relatively easier stuff is waiting to be discovered ,so you have a higher chance to be able to contribute something meaningful.
All the low hanging fruit has been picked in the traditional fields.

[Anonymous No.1622642]

>>1622623

Yes, that man, thank you a lot. So choosing computers on EE college should give me suffice knowledge about software engineering, electronics for robots and cicuits and enough programming knowledge to even do video games. Should be cool

[Anonymous No.1622645]

>>1622605
CS is a pretty new field bro. Does anyone here know discovered the principle behind all the new flash drives? (Quantum magnetic something, I don't remember). Seriously, only current physics majors remember that shit. So don't talk shite about no one will remember you.

No one is going to remember you even if you discover gravitons. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.1622665]

>>1622642
A word of warning, EE programming is VERY different to the kind of high level programming you need to build applications. I'm a CS postgrad and my brother is studying EE, right now he's building a microprocessor for a solar sensor which he will need to program in assembly.

Personally electrical sounds like the most boring thing in the world to me.

[Anonymous No.1622693]

>>1622665
well you're in CS, write a compiler for him

[Anonymous No.1622706]

How about a math and CS dual degree?

[Anonymous No.1622733]

>>1622706
$300,000 starting
Any singularity you want

[Anonymous No.1622821]

>CS field is terrible
>60k average starting salary
>Predicted to grow faster than any other field from 08-18
>3 times as many jobs for CS majors as there are actual CS majors.

Of course most people assume CS grads will just go on to be programmers who sit behind a desk and never have any kind of social interaction or responsibility other than coding which is so far from the truth it's not even funny

[Anonymous No.1622864]

>>1622665
You don't know assembly?
Really?
I mean i know is hard as balls , but you're a computer scientist. You're supposed to be a pro at it.

[Anonymous No.1622874]

You want to make money? Go apprentice with a plumber. Every major is shit right now.

But CS is the least shitty, even though we're getting outsourced.

I'm making 86k a year in Seattle fulltime with benefits.

Who knows how long that will last though.

[Anonymous No.1622932]

>>1622874
Businessmen are assholes
I'm pretty sure most programmers wouldn't mind getting a pay cut and recieve slightly less than 80k if their jobs weren't endangered of being outsourced.
Either way is really hard to work long distance and remain efficient so most employers come to their senses eentually.
Also from what I've heard the only jobs being outsourced were just shitty computer service call centers.

[Anonymous No.1622970]

> any mathematician, physicist and engineer can do the same things as a CS major with like 2 months studying if hes/she is smart enough

Not even close. I did my undergrad in comp sci and my graduate degrees in physics. And let me tell you, the computer work done by physicists with minimal formal training in computer science is awful, awful, awful. And these are simple applications: numerical simulations, plotting data, and almost-trivial databases. God forbid they be asked to do something complicated.

Hint: never let your physics student devise a database for you unless you really, really want horrible update anomalies and a high chance of SQL injection attacks.

[Anonymous No.1622992]

>>1622645
Giant magnetoresistance. Fert and Runberg maybe? That was the 2007 prize, anyway.

[Anonymous No.1623015]

>>1622864
I know assembly but I don't use it because I don't need to. And it's not actually that hard, either, just incredibly time consuming and boring.

[Anonymous No.1623051]

While we are on the subjects of CS and EE, what do you guys all think of chemical engineering

[Anonymous No.1623718]

>>1622461
>What Wolfram does is nothing special and having a degree at 20 years doesn't mean shit.

Hahahah oh wow. How could anyone be this stupid and deluded?

[Anonymous No.1623732]

Sophomore year starts in a week and a half

haven't learned anything related to computers that I didn't already know.... discrete math was the most interesting course I had so far

[[/spoiler] !IIDIyNtygY No.1623751]

>>1623732
>shim

[Anonymous No.1623760]

>>1623732

adv visual basic program

[Anonymous No.1623895]

lawl