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You're not getting tenure edition

Last thread: >>16159901

This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
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>> No.16177047

I got a real job. The postdoc hell will end. It's a research job in industry, in a small (but growing) company. Similar general area to what I did for my academic research (semiconductors/spectroscopy), but different materials etc. since industry and academia aren't exactly on the same page.

Time will tell if it's what I thought or if I am what the company thought, but at least I won't have to live with roommates as a 30 year old anymore. Not exactly well paid but whatever.

>> No.16177061
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>day 136 of unemployment
Getting real tired of this shit.

>> No.16177095

sucks anon. iktf. stayed sane by brushing up on industry skills—programming, stats, flirting

>> No.16177185
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I am officially in the Aerospace Engineering Bsc program. What can I expect after I'm done?
>Working on big sexy rockets
>Hypersonic air vehicles
>Designing rocket engines with sexy turbo pumps
>Women dropping their panties after they figure out I'm an AE with a 6 fig salary
>Being a snobby dickhead to mere mechanical engineers

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Am I dumb today or does the blue arrow have a value of zero?

>> No.16177190

The blue arrow is literally "bioweapons research".
Yes, you are "dumb".

>> No.16177202

>>Women dropping their panties after they figure out I'm an AE with a 6 fig salary
That's barely enough to keep up with hoeflation. Do better, anon.

>> No.16177207


>> No.16177216

There are over four billion women on the planet, you might want to narrow down your expectations a bit.

>> No.16177249

>bioweapons research
Bioweapons are retarded, so he's right

>> No.16177432

Should I get an MBA or an MS?
Be honest.

>> No.16177505

MBA is an easier path through life but you have to be ok with destroying others.

>> No.16177552

For anyone wanting to reply

>> No.16177967

You can expect to get brutally fucked by the market and work for your defense contractor of choice in a soulless grey box for 40 years.

>> No.16177987

How unfun is working on weapons development?

>> No.16178022

QC is related to quantum radar systems, which is a hot but classified field. It could cancel out all advances so far in stealth technology, turning the F-35 into a rather expensive flying cow.

>> No.16178168

>so good they were banned

>> No.16178176

F in the chat for the 3.05% that are no longer with us

>> No.16178190

>6 months of unemployment
Getting a degree in Computer Science was a huge mistake

>> No.16178195

They're permanently permanent research staff. Possibly undead.

>> No.16178214

>Computer Science
Yikes. 10 years too late.

>> No.16178388

Unemployed math PhD here. Should I try to get CCNA?

>> No.16178435

gonna have to give blowjob to your gay boss every morning and he gonna rape your ass anytime he want othervise no carrier

>> No.16178448

It seems the problem is not the degree but the degree holder.

>> No.16178455

>hurr durr everyone is hiring it's your fault

>> No.16178475

Just status quo liberal gaslighting.
There are no institutional or systematic problems (except the doublethink regarding the -isms)
We have developed the perfect political and economic system and reached the end of history. If it isn't working for you it's because you are a genetic failure/incel/loser/it's your fault.

>> No.16178584

Any field technicians or field engineers here? Any of them willing to offer guidance and help?

>> No.16178671

>ridiculous, if not absurd and impossible demands from management and clients
>endless paperwork for every little thing
>massively inflated costs for base components and materials
>the social stigma of being a warhead lethality engineer
>knowing that your job isn't to design weapons which kill precisely and effectively, your job is to make the weapons reliable and cheap
>minimum viable product is the only thing which will ship

All-in-all it's not a bad job if you can cope with the moral challenges. Many can't so choose to doublethink and only work on defensive systems or weapon-adjacent but not directly weapons. From an engineering and problem-solving perspective defence has some of the most interesting and limit-testing questions to solve and that's the big attraction for academics.

>> No.16178674

Which is why he is not stupid, but "dumb", because he's right.
The vaccine is safe and effective and the 2020 US elections was totally legitimate.

>> No.16178705

I forgot how vomit inducing the engineering world is

>> No.16179105

I have no moral qualms with designing weapons but I can't go against my principles of designing things to the best of my ability. I guess I'll stick to making my own weapons.

>> No.16179229
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Got offered a graduate field engineer job with Weatherford. What's the general consensus on this company?

>> No.16179336

Should I go back to school for a geology degree? I have a comp sci degree, just hate it.

>> No.16179953

Don't Comp Sci majors have the highest employment rates and salaries compared to most STEM majors?

>> No.16180134

Physicists and mathematicians going into big finance or management consultancies probably earn a lot more.

>> No.16180227

I was a field engineer for a while. I didn't make it. Couldn't handle the shift work and got insanely jealous of the office guys.

>> No.16180297

Anyone got a second msc after their phd? Realistically would it improve my job prospects?

>> No.16180411

What's the most profitable field I can go into with a bio degree? I was thinking either bioprocess engineering or bioinformatics but I'm not sure.
I'm currently doing a masters and I really don't want to go into a phd program afterwards

>> No.16180451

The biggest reason for unemployment isn't your credentials. It's obscurity. Getting an MSc will not fix the fact that no one knows who you are.

>> No.16180476


What area? What do you want to know?

My degree is Mechanical Engineering Technology and pretty much every job I've had is mostly, if not all field work.

>> No.16180538

Doing a second MSc after your PhD just screams "I fucked up and don't know what I'm doing" to me and probably most employers.

The only exception might be doing one on the side while working or to meet some very specific requirements to be an astronaut or some shit you planned since infancy.

But just doing it to keep treading water reeks of desperation. Even if your degree is truly useless there are jobs where "college degree" is just a box to check.

>> No.16180593

What will get me a higher salary, MS or MBA.
Literally all I care about is making as much money as possible for as little work as possible.

>> No.16180778

What if you're trying to flesh out your awareness of different fields for interdisciplinary research? E.g., PhD in ML and MSc in genomics to develop automated gene profiling and pattern analysis.

>> No.16180812

Depends on how that takes place. If you were doing the MSc "on the side" after the PhD, while doing other work/research as your main thing, then sure. But going straight from PhD back to university for a lower degree full time isn't a normal thing to do.

Normally if you were interested in this kind of interdisciplinary research from the beginning, you would choose your research group/project in a way that allowed this. So you'd go to an ML group with a project related to genomics or vice versa, depending on your own background and the group expertise/collaborators etc. available. This kind of thing happens all the time.

It's not like a PhD in machine learning means "courses in machine learning for 4 years". It means "research projects in machine learning for 4 years", and those projects in the real world can easily be interdisciplinary. There shouldn't be any reason to do a Masters after a PhD, assuming you chose your PhD properly in the first place.

>> No.16180822

I should add, if you realized after your PhD in ML that you wanted to apply this to genomics, you could also go and do a postdoc in a research group that does this kind of interdisciplinary research. It's usual and in fact healthy to add something new and unfamiliar to your research directions between your PhD and postdoc.

>> No.16180835

Okay, noted. My main reason for asking is because (although I'm NTA from the first post) I'm trying to work my way through upper education for pay increases while doing research, without taking on debt. I have particular discipline-specific and interdisciplinary topics I'd like to research, but I'm woefully underqualified and too poor to conduct any at this time.

I thought that using tuition assistance programs through different employers to accrue credentials, improve income, and work towards my intended research projects would be best achieved through exploiting lateral and backwards shifts for qualifications. I should probably add that one of these research topics is meant to be conducted solitarily, and involves three weakly related fields (bioinformatics, ML, and QC - yes I'm the anon from >>16177552).

>> No.16180837

Based on a cursory reading of literature, it seems that'll be relegated to auxiliary and first detection mechanisms.

>> No.16180864

STEM degrees have become a battlefield and even the hope of a decent job requires good connections and a bit of nepotism or high in skill. Not to mention most companies outsource their work to Asian countries. A competition your doomed to fail were you to follow such a degree.

>> No.16180871

So this is probably off topic, but hey if there's a better thread for it I can find it in three days after you know what happens.
I'm a layman, I have experience with social sciences but we all know that shit's fake. I have an interest in biology. How might I learn about it aside from college?
No, I'm not looking for marketable experience, just for my own enrichment.

>> No.16180888

Youtube has tons of college lectures in biology

>> No.16180896

Why the hell are graduate programs in other countries taught in English?

>> No.16180902

Undergrad programs in the sciences generally follow some standard set of textbooks. The exact books vary, but the content less so, and usually there's "classics". You can almost certainly find the PDFs online for free, the physical books in any larger library or used books for $cheap. If you look at the syllabus/reading list of a college program you're interested in and self-study the books, you'll probably have a better understanding of the topic than most people who graduated as they generally just read the lecture notes.

Because their students are mainly from outside those countries and/or English is the language in which research in any field is published nowadays.

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What STEM careers are have practical net-positive jobs?

Medical Doctors and their subfields are obvious ones. Who else?

Hard Mode: Find tech/computer science/ElectricalEng/Math jobs that fit this description.

>> No.16180966

You can doomsay any profession anon.

Guess we should all go into the trades and become serfs with no influence until the gov't passes legislation that imports low-wage non-citizens to outsource that too.

>> No.16181201

People disagree how/if it will work. China claims it works well, while the US (saddled with the F-35 propaganda) alleges great doubt.
A quantum radar is expected to improve the signal to noise ration, in that the receiver can be certain that a received echo is tied to the emitted one and is not a random event. The US claims this is still too noisy. The real truth, to the extent it even exists, is as classified as it can get.

>> No.16181234

Job postings for programming jobs have declined by over 50% and are in a free fall. Despite laying off large numbers of employees, Amazon and other tech companies are pushing for a removal of the limit of work visas that can be issued each year. There are people with decades of experience putting in over 1000 applications and getting a less than 1% response rate.
Meanwhile companies are extending their hiring pipelines to have more and more stages, often taking over eight months from the time a job is posted until when the role is filled. Some companies never get anyone through the pipeline, screaming about the lack of suitable candidates while rejecting nearly everyone at various (usually early) stages of their hiring pipeline.
Even knowing someone inside the company no longer works, as many companies now require every application, regardless of quality, to first get past an external recruiter. You could be in the top 1% of your field and have a dozen people in the company who vouch for your work and still get rejected because a twenty-three old recruiter fresh out of college says she doesn't think you're "a good fit".
Acquihire is the only real way of making it now and even with that, about half of those who work for the company being acquired end up being laid off as part of the acquisition.

>> No.16181283

Ironically, I'm just trying to write science fiction and fantasy, and I figure understanding how biology works is key for biotech.
Thanks, familial, I appreciate you.

>> No.16181285

>China claims it works well
So do we have a source that doesn't lie more frequently than the US Government (who if they published a notice saying the sky was blue, I would look up to check)?

>> No.16181360

Yeah but there isn't that many of those and the low salaries of the rest pulls the average down.

>> No.16181367

>physicists and mathematicians going into finance
There can't be that many positions for that.

>> No.16181517

It was mentioned in this general>>16181367
a while ago that 20 percent of them go into finance and into management consulting. It was not clear is those were one group or if it was 20 percent in finance and another 20 percent in management.
So yes, those are quite large numbers. A lot of macro economists are Physics graduates.

>> No.16181526

What a waste of a good brain to study the confidence game known as economics.

>> No.16181530

'Griggs v Duke Power' made it illegal to give job candidates IQ tests because minorities score lower on them. Businesses have been looking for IQ proxies ever since, which is why they started requiring college degrees. Over time the value of college degrees decayed as activists and the government pushed for everyone to be able to be a college degree because "it's the path to a good career".
As long as physics and math degrees remain difficult enough that only those with a high IQ can earn them, the finance industry will continue to be interested in hiring those graduates. They don't care if they don't have much experience in finance, that can be taught to them, they just need to know they are high IQ.
Eventually all degrees, including math and physics, will be degraded and the finance industry will need to find other ways to identify high IQ individuals without breaking the law.

>> No.16181588

The big issue is that since resumes can be spammed out, too, they need more ways to filter out candidates. Problem is, they filter out so many.

>> No.16181603

Perhaps aptitude certificates will be the way of the future: instead of universal field degrees, high-bar niche certifications will proliferate, and when paired with psychological profiling of individuals, they'll be used as a proxy not only for IQ, but skill aptitude as well. It's already becoming big in high-level corporate positions.

>> No.16181635

>They don't care if they don't have much experience in finance, that can be taught to them, they just need to know they are high IQ.
Same with the management consulting industry (MBB especially) - they take on fresh graduates and train them in-house.

>> No.16181701

It is all about money. I left academic research since it was too badly paid and I had some serious student loans to pay down. And consultancies pay really well.

>> No.16181727

And those certification programs will be attacked through lawfare and government demands that they stop being racist for not certifying a proportional amount of minorities. Anything you can come up with, they will target, just like they targeted IQ tests and then college degrees. Even engineering and hard science degrees are being slowly destroyed in the name of equality. Treating symptoms won't help for very long as long as the underlying condition remains and grows.

>> No.16181755

In the future, they might do offshore DNA analysis based on stealthily obtained samples, like the rim of the glass you were served water in.

>> No.16181775

Or they'll do what they already do but to a higher degree: Just make it so easy to get fired in like the first year that you'll be out on your ass, white black or brown, with no legal defense if you so much as breathe wrong.

>> No.16181797

What kind of consulting do you do? How is it? I considered scientific consulting but I'm probably too autismal even for that.

>> No.16181800

I am a patent attorney, and for various complex reasons I also advice my clients on investments and company structuring. I am also brought in for presenting the IP status for annual board of director meetings, and have also been called in when a client wanted to hire a new CEO.

So first and foremost I am an IP consultant, but by extension I have to make sure that the IP strategy truly supports the business strategy.

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Made it into civil engineering, boys. Never did a calculation again when I got actual responsibilities. Still get to berate people who actually make calculations though.

>> No.16181847

Civil seems fun, especially traffic. Maybe it's my networking autism going haywire. Haha car go brrr

>> No.16181901

I work in newbuild offshore projects. The projects in execution are amazing, but the bigger the project the more boring paperwork you have to do upfront. Also the more paperwork you have to do, the less creative freedom you have to design something interesting and innovative.

It makes sense though, the bigger the project, the bigger the risks. And the bigger the risks, the less improvisation is allowed.

>> No.16182030

Sort of in a dead end position at this point as an engineering major. Was thinking of trying to find a more tangible engineering job, but I have an opportunity to move up to a manager role. Thought it'd be a great thing for my resume to at least give a shot, and it'd be a 20% bump in my pay at a bare minimum (I was gonna gun for 25% potentially).

Should I take it? Or should I use my downtime to just study for an even better job?

>> No.16182035

Do you think AI will replace engineers (mechanic, electric, chemic and etc)? If yes, when do you think it will happen? Justify your answer with some example in your area of expertise.
Help a lost undergrad out, please...

>> No.16182041

Companies wanted a better educated workforce. They got it. Now they're mad.

>> No.16182097

Lol no, AI is a fad. At best it will be just used as a tool to help engineers. Stop worrying about fad shit and get to grinding.

>> No.16182128

>Lol no, AI is a fad.
Heh heh... yeah.

>> No.16182147

AI can't go out into the field, assess, and implement. The second AI makes a mistake that costs a life and it becomes legal precedent that a company is fully liable for the actions of AI, it'll be too cost prohibitive.

>> No.16182282

No. Still need a human connection just in case something goes wrong. Otherwise company would be liable. You will probably still see a reduction in workers though since AI does help speed up repetitive or well-established processes. It still has trouble creating novel solutions so creativity and ingenuity will still be much needed, even moreso in the future. I work in IT and data engineering and I use AI every day and it still isn't enough for the amount of work I have to do. I also use chatgpt4o as well. It still, to me, has a long way to go before completely replacing roles. Mangement is looking to cut costs and are jumping the gun with this AI hype. Best to get into the industry now and make connections.

>> No.16182658

That and customers are going to have doubts about AI, especially the current gen of AI, for at least a couple of decades.

>> No.16182662

You don't need to be born into connections, develop them organically while you're at uni/between internships/undergrad research positions/design teams/other clubs/etc.

>high in skill
Yeah I should very well hope so wtf...

>> No.16182664

How do you like the pay/salary progression?

>> No.16182673

Best bioweapons are the legal ones

>> No.16182674

I don't want to be a multi-degree holder without a job like you guys, I'll go brush my project portfolio up and I advise you to do the same

>> No.16182680

Be prepared, nonetheless, to enter a job outside of your field, especially if you work in government.

>> No.16182694

Grim but sensible, thanks for the heads-up

>> No.16182697

There are various roles in finance that aren't that glamorous or well remunerated.

>> No.16182698

But many positions are secure enough. Obviously not everyone can live in Beverly Hills or a Manhatten Penthouse, but you should not aspire to such things anyway.
What is the point of spending many times a reasonable cost of living on things that do not matter?

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>444 days since I left my last job
Come at me bro.
Admittedly I wasn't looking for the first 2-3 months but god. At this stage I've applied at every company in my city that hires scientists.
The only time I ever get contacted are for basic bitch lab tech roles that don't pay enough for it to be worth leaving my house for.

>> No.16182736

Partially. There will be 3 kinds of companies.
1: those who bring AI in on decisions. That will fail since AI still lacks common sense
2: those who use AI for partial automaton, boilerplate stuff and other efficiency improvements. They will get more billable work done than the others and will succeed, probably hire a few more people.
3: companies who think AI is a fad. These companies will go under and far from all of their emplyees will find new jobs. This is where the net losses willl happen

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>2 years of teaching university
>math phd with 6 publications
>2 years of software development experience
>Code on github
>New haircut
>Autism minimized
What am i missing here?

>> No.16182860

Not getting a gigastupid theoretical phd without practical applications.

>> No.16182865

>in my city
Maybe look at a larger area

>> No.16182867

I got rejected by the patent companies that I wanted to get into here in Europe, it's too bad that these are trainee positions and I'm getting absolutely destroyed here wasting time trying to get into my field of choice by going horizontally instead of vertically.
At this rate I'll be making 60k forever instead of the 100k I could make by staying in the shitty field that I hate

>> No.16182871

>without practical applications
Leavitt path algebras are actually getting more and more popular

>> No.16182878

I get what you mean confused me too for a bit when I went back to look at it, I think the 26.5 % isn't for the left-split wide one but for the both of them before splitting.

>> No.16182884

Do you even know how to programme you dumb autist?

>> No.16182886

Yes, uwu

>> No.16182888

How have you been unemployed for 140 days then? It's like you are institutionalized and have no clue about the world outside of academia and now when they kicked you out, you have no idea how to earn the green.

>> No.16182892

remember when you told me to apply to a few companies well I did it and got rejected >>16182867
not rejected from all of them but it looks like this is going to be another year where I get rejected from all of the patent companies

>> No.16182899

OwO. They say i have too little experience .

>> No.16182902

You should unironically seek help by a professional recruiter. You have no idea what you are doing.

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What are unironically my options at this point?

(i) "just keep applying" (tm) and hope i get a software development job or adjunct professor position for the autumn
(ii) get another m.sc. in data science
(iii) complete my high school teaching certificate

>> No.16182938

Depends on how fast you want to get into gainful employment. Because looking at your replies here >>16182899 and here >>16182886 you come off as not very smart för a math phd.

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Please tell me what to do. I work from home, and I'd still be a WFH manager I believe. I don't really do anything related to my degree which I find to be a real problem, but a year or so of management is a good thing to get on a resume in any regard, right?

>> No.16182950

>What am i missing here?
Self confidence, I would guess. You seem eminently employable to me.

>> No.16182955

Yes, I remember. And I read your CV and could not see any reason to reject you.
Have you considered working for PRV or EPO?

>> No.16182965

Does learning other languages actually bring better prospects? Specifically East Asian ones, I'm wondering because I know Japanese, am going through Chinese now, and will probably go for Korean eventually even if as just a hobby. From birth all the way up until now I've always been told that those who know these languages can easily find a job and rake in money, but I've never really seen any actual examples, such as some lucrative job offer or some random ITfag working in China or whatever and living the easy life.

>> No.16182969

That probably was the intent but in that case, we don't know the value for either of the arrows after the split, which isn't a big deal, we can see the general proportions but still mildly disappointing that the values aren't there.

>> No.16182983

Hard times:
>America’s class of 2024 graduates into an uncertain job market
>The National Association of Colleges and Employers projects US employers will cut their hiring of freshly-minted graduates by 5.8 per cent this year compared to 2023. That would be the largest drop in hiring since NACE began surveying employers in 2015.
>Meanwhile, the unemployment rate for graduates aged 20 to 24 with bachelor’s degrees rose from 4.2 per cent to 5 per cent in the year to April, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

>> No.16182990

It can act as a force multiplier if you are sociable enough and you choose languages that are not useless in your job market. For a korean, Jap would be good to learn, just as chinese. For a Finnish person, jap would be completely useless since it's not widely used in the job market. However, German is widely used in the finnish job market as a second trade language compared for instance english.

>> No.16182992

if you work for PRV or EPO do you become an attorney or do you just become a permanent government worker?
I hate working at the government. I want the private sector

>> No.16182993

In case people are interested, the original document the graph is from can be found in the link below. The PDF is a bit too large for a 4chan attachment. It's a Royal Society report from 2010, so obviously quite a bit has changed in the UK specifically since then.


>> No.16183023

I want to set up a viable career path. I dont need income in the short term. 2 years without income is ok.

>> No.16183028

In my experience Japanese is genuinely useless both in the workplace and for making friends with expats. They're just too reserved, no useful research is published in Japanese and Japanese companies have English speaking employees for dealing with foreign customers.

>> No.16183057

Get a one year degree for career switch. Blame it on you didn't want to do math anymore as a career. Or you could just apply abroad if you want to work right away. Honestly from what I've seen in this thread you just seem lazy and lack drive. Employers are extremely good at sniffing that out.

>> No.16183060

Most college graduates are GenZ and typically vote Democrat and so voted their way into this mess.

>> No.16183093

Are you trying to get a woman? Just go to the local church or mosque.

>> No.16183151

>Or you could just apply abroad if you want to work right away.
Are you saying i should apply for software development jobs abroad?
>lazy and lack drive
Guilty as charged. I lack direction.

>> No.16183182

No, you should apply for teaching jobs which require a phd in Mathematics in Germany, France, Italy, hell even eastern europe.

>> No.16183323

The engineering AI is already present. (Since 2013)
Its called Grashopper. (Not an LLM, surprise!) It still needs the dependency ratios, and other parameters, so it requires more abstract models. But when the model is ready (eg. Fractional distillery) it can design distilleries at any scale.
If you have a grashopper model for a stuff, it can implement it flexibly.

>> No.16183355

>if you work for PRV or EPO do you become an attorney or do you just become a permanent government worker?
No. You become an Examiner. If you work at EPO as an Examiner, you can sit the EQE and thereby qualify as an European patent attorney, which will be well paid in industry (in-house in large companies or as an independent patent attorney in a patent law firsm)
>I hate working at the government. I want the private sector
Just now, my friend, you need a job. From these jobs you can pivot into private practice. About half of the patent attorneys in most countries are former Examiners.

>> No.16183362

In my experience, having worked in Japan, is that Japanese women are less reserved than men. Also a few friends of mine who learned English well after getting science degrees, got nice positions in the foreign office. Theyare now working in the Far East.

>> No.16183457

what about the prv?
I just applied to prv positions, I wonder if they'll take me

>> No.16183513

People's Republic of Vietnam?

>> No.16183727

Would starting an optoelectronics PhD be advisable? Research area might be broadly in perovskites/solar cell devices, is that promising/good for jobs after the PhD? Department would be Electrical Engineering.

>> No.16183798

There's worse things to do a PhD on, but don't assume that there will be an industry job for you just because your topic is nominally in an applied field. I did my PhD in an optoelectronics group and the most common destinations are academia (at least for a postdoc, most eventually filter out), followed by consultancy, followed by random software-type jobs, and a wide mixture of things beyond that. For my PhD cohort the most common destination was civil service, for whatever reason, but that was a small sample size.

The proportion of people who got a job which had anything to do with their research was depressingly small. Even the people who went on to industry jobs usually changed their area of expertise more or less drastically. And that generally means you have a harder time convincing employers you're the right man for the job.

I don't think there is as of yet a very large industry around perovskites. There's a lot of interest for sure, and I'm aware of some startup-type endeavors, but my understanding is that the materials aren't really there yet. Meanwhile it's been one of the hottest research topics for like a decade now, so there's a lot of people out there who know their way around a perovskite.

I've been more on the fundamental science side of this, so maybe a device focused project from an engineering department will be less cursed.

>> No.16184102

Hey asshole you were the one bringing up finance like I should sucking these guys cocks or something

>> No.16184193

PRV is good, has at least once been voted great place to work.

PRV is the Swedish patent office - see prv.se for more.

>> No.16184196

I agree with >>16183798 but would also add that your project also involves some solid state physics which is also good for industry job prospects. I don't follow the field closely but still got the impression that there is a lot of activity in the perovskite approach to solar cells.

>> No.16184287

Not me, bro.
I think finance is a shit position that burns people out at best, and at worst strings people along with the promise of getting to a higher field while someone else profits off of your work.

>> No.16184313

but do they let you sit the EQE eventually or something?

>> No.16184346

I can't move at the moment. I'm studying part-time, raising a guide dog puppy, and my wife's job is here.

>> No.16184347

It's also the largest city in my country with the most jobs, so even when I have expanded my search in the past it didn't actually add many options. Only one came back but they offered 20% less than competitive and no relocation costs. I laughed them out of the room.

>> No.16184352

No. To sit the EQE you have to fulfill certain criteria. Part of those is that you have to work under someone who already is an European patent attorney or at the EPO for a certain period before you can start the process. That is now rather complex and starts with a pre-exam.

>> No.16184480

then working at the prv would be a waste of time?
I have a job already, I only want to move to my favorite career, not stay here.

>> No.16184604

I've been working as a lab monkey with a BS for 5 years now and have been toying with idea applying to med school. I just feel very bored and this is definitely not something I want to do my whole life. I've been out of school for over 5 years and have zero connections. I was thinking about doing a 1 year online non thesis masters course that is essentially med school prep. Is this a good idea? I would try and build relationships to deal with stuff like rec letters and refresh a lot of knowledge before taking the MCAT. The masters degree is not something I care about and is just a means to an end, so its through the cheapest in state university I could find.

>> No.16184615

I'm going to get by bachelors in engineering soon and would like the advice of fellow anons on what branch of engineering has most scope of advancement.
The options before me are:
Electronics and Communication Engineering
Electical and Computer Science Engineering
Electronics Engineering(VLSI Design and Technology)

>> No.16184642

>then working at the prv would be a waste of time?
Not really. It is well paid I hear, and offers a transition into patent law firms. At PRV you will learn about the European Patent Convention (EPC) which is binding also for Sweden and will help you when you start studying for EQE.

>> No.16184720

>and offers a transition into patent law firms
how does this happen?

>> No.16184732

>You're not getting tenure edition
Do people even get tenure anymore?

>> No.16184848

thank you saar

if you will be having the autism then i refer you to electronics engineering thankfully

>> No.16184866

About 50 percent of patent attorneys are former Examiners in many countries. Another 50 percent comes from industry. And perhaps one percent fomr straight from university with no industrial experience.

>> No.16184878

All of those are great choices that can give you a good job. From my limited experience, VLSI design is a good fit if you want to start your own company, make something great and then cash out by acquisition or IPO. As a cofounder you will start in an advanced position, the real value of it comes only with commercial recognition. Anyone can call themselves a CEO, but few are on the level of Nvidia, Qualcomm etc.

>> No.16185149

I'm working on product identification and coders technology. A fancy way of saying printers that put expiration dates on products.

I love the job and was able to get rid of my personal car, don't have to pay for gas, make about 70k plus bonus. It's comfy as hell, but I'm wondering where it goes from here? I am sure with the car I'm close to 80-85k annually. How do you go past the salary ceiling? What fields should I be looking at in the next ten years? Should I worry about over specialization?


>> No.16185157

By the way I should mention what I have in mind:
I'm thinking automation engineer or project management. I can get my network+ and perhaps an automation cert, and even go into consulting in the next 10-20 years. I am open to world travel, would be a perk for me.

>> No.16185160

by industry you mean people who got into firms by applying right out of college right?

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How do I secure scholarships spare for having good grades? My school's clubs aren't really interesting and I'm prioritizing personal projects. My money for school is running out soon. I'm an EE major is that's relevant

>> No.16185318

>tfw still unemployed

>> No.16185438

How I'm suppose to move up?

>> No.16185547

Went for the machine learning meme, and I'm now doing a PhD in EE right after my bachelor's, with a research assistant scholarship. Not sure how relevant my research project and classes are gonna be for my future job, and what company would even hire me after graduation since I come from M.eng. Studying in the US, any tips?

>> No.16185550

Work in a startup/firm with few people, get experience, then apply to a big company with X years of experience then get the big bucks.

If you're within a big company, you'll usually follow their pay progression which won't be amazing

>> No.16185640

>Work in a startup/firm with few people
Ok now answer again this time without assuming I live in California

>> No.16185650

No. I meant college graduates who go to industry and then go to the patent profession.

>> No.16185695

internships pay well in engineering

>> No.16186012

The startup scene isn't too shabby in UK, Germany or Sweden. California is not the centre of the universe.

Moving up, do you have management positions in mind? Moving jobs is one way to progress while remaining in tech.

>> No.16186188

There are firms anywhere, any engineering company with less than 100 people (which almost all startups also are) is a firm in my mind. Small consultants, subcontractors, local manufacturers, etc. You're retarded if you think California only has these kinda companies, if anything they have less of them since FAG are there

>> No.16187294

wow didn't expect this to be on page 10 with only 161 posts

>> No.16187303

it's the time of year where everyone has either got a job or roped

i'm somewhere in between

>> No.16187309

I don't know how it is for your school, but at mine, there was a portal that listed every single scholarship available. None of them are just for "good grades", there's always some sort of angle like "second generation lesbian middle eastern veterans studying biochemical engineering with the intent of going to graduate school". The thing is, you don't necessarily need to match the criteria, because more often then not they'll have few or no applicants. Just shit out an essay for the questions they ask and shoot off an application to as many as possible, you'd be surprised what you get back. They will ask for some sort of thank you letter or whatever if you do win a scholarship, just don't reply, or bullshit it further and don't include a photo of yourself. Long gone are the days where simply having a good GPA paid for your tuition, unfortunately.

>> No.16187316

I've heard there's very high cost of development for vlsi design. Is this true? and what do I do to keep up?
Also, would choosing a general branch like electronics and communication engineering be better than specialising?

>> No.16187321

Seconding this.

Where these are posted probably varies a lot, but my country used to have a bunch of random trusts and whatever that would more or less give your money if you made a reasonable request for it, because nobody knew they existed and they had obligations to fulfill their stated purpose to give people money. There was this ancient database which had almost all of them, I think they modernized and pooled together recently. Point being, many of these were entirely external to the university (and in fact I went to university in a different country).

I got tens of thousands out of these things during my undergrad and a fully funded PhD (on top of an existing studentship). Really made a big difference at the time. And it's absolutely like anon said, even if you don't fulfill the criteria just apply.

>> No.16187381

If you are a good technical guy and don’t want to manage people, get the MS. If you want be a manager and completely disconnect from the technical side, MBA

>> No.16187384

If you go management you’ll never go back to the engineering side of the house forever.

>> No.16187386

If you can read and speak Japanese fluently, the US semiconductor industry calls your name.

>> No.16187418

Slow day. Use it to read about the future of work:
As usual, /sci/ wil make it!

>> No.16187421

I'm glad I'm self-taught.


>> No.16187428

Considering F-35 is one of the costlies military acquisitions in history and that it involves a lot of politics, porkbarrels and careers, you will struggle to find reliable information. Among the least dubious sources is "Aviation Week and Space Technology" and they have some coverage of the issue.

>> No.16187855

Not from VLSI, but I heard the same for jet engines, having at least a decade of development leadup and so much costs it can bankrupt even the big companies if they don't secure clients beforehands. Practically, there's not that much repercussion on the workers, but all their R&D resources up to how they do rough estimates before starting a project are closely guarded. Good luck getting a comprehensive tutorial on Ansys 2020 cause all the companies keep their tools to themselves.

>> No.16188015

This general died when I stopped shit posting. I used to keep it going with my bantz and pretending to be retarded. Put the team on my back just like in senior design. Now it’s just status strivers and that guy talking about how he’s a patent attorney every thread

>> No.16188224

>I've heard there's very high cost of development for vlsi design. Is this true?
Not necessarily. You can do a lot cheaply, and test it on a FPGA, with super discounts for students. When and if you want to turn it into an ASIC, you can even do that for free under certain circumstances. You can get a lot of info on the /AIG/ general FAQ:
Where things become expensive, is if you need tools for larger chips, advanced testing and verification software, timing closure, buying libraries and IP blocks (such as DDR or PCI interfaces), or setups for advanced nodes.
>and what do I do to keep up?
Keep up - with what?
>Also, would choosing a general branch like electronics and communication engineering be better than specialising?
Not sure but my impression is that things are becoming ever more specialised, though you need a wide general platform so that you can communicate with other specialists.

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How do I make a literature review for my thesis?
I have my idea set and could write my literature review in a week, but my overseeing professor keeps asking me things like
>how will you gather info
>what cases will you be looking at
I don't understand: aren't those all for my thesis later on? Why bother mentioning such things in my literature review?
>ask your prof
Yeah, I will. Anyway, how did you guys write your thesis?

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>all genki vocab words
It's all volume 1 too.

>> No.16188307

I didn't say I was good at it. Why don't you toss something my way you weeb?

>> No.16188327

It’s finals season genius people are cramming and shit

>> No.16188333

He’s asking you how you gather your sources and which ones you will use

>> No.16188347

I usually browse ProQuest for information. Am I supposed to look for different sources (ex.: interviewing professors, analyzing specialists, readings works of field professionals) now that I'm writing a literature review for a thesis?

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>> No.16188843

I can't. I'm still on chapter 4 of Genki. This summer, you and I finish volume I and start mining manga and VNs.

>> No.16189168

Is that the lesser known Genki Monogatari?

>> No.16189411

ProQuest should be enough I think the professor just wants to make sure you know which sources to use before making the literature review.

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Getting a math PhD was a huge mistake.

>> No.16189688
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Is it just me who is still unemployed?

>> No.16189700

If you're not a weeb Japanese is legitimately a pure waste of time.
I work in Japan and the engineers and researchers around me are either Indians or western losers back home. Everybody speaks English, and there are very few Japanese engineers, and those usually speak English anyway.
Japanese only becomes useful for getting laid or hooking up, otherwise, you will not make friends as people tend to stick to the social circles they built in university, so you'll end up with expats speaking English again.

Outside of Japan, nobody speaks it, and no good paper is ever written in Japanese. Japanese language schools are a glorified waste of time as well, male students sperg out and try and flirt with the female teachers, the women are mostly insane, and you're not learning much because everyone is just here for fun.

>> No.16189803
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>Day 144 of unemployment
Mom's gonna freak

>> No.16189931

>great grandad was a crofter (subsistence farmer)
>grandad was a weld inspector
>dad is a programmer
>I am a scientist
>my son will be an astronaut
>my grandson will be the first king of Mars
It's all coming together

>> No.16190091

Yes. Because you lack drive and have attained too much credentials above your level of "what should I use this for". You had no vision with your PhD and should have jumped off with a masters.

>> No.16190148

>and there are very few Japanese engineers
What? Are you sure you really are in Japan? I worked at a Japanese national lab and not surprisingly the place was full of Japanese scientists and engineers.

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NTA but I was thinking of learning Japanese since most of the research in my area is being done in Japan, however my PI has huge ties with Germany also. Should I start learning German, then?

>> No.16190734

>king of Mars
the elon?

>> No.16190778

Tell me something I don't know. Like how to fix the situation.

>> No.16190813

You have to find a job

>> No.16190858

No. There are plenty. People struggle to find jobs and many job ads are lies posted purely for promotional purposes. It doesn't help the situation that the intellectual elite has declared there is a lack of manpower so it is then absolutely necessary to import foreigners in large numbers.

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Any EE power systems people here, if there is a general short circuit at A, is the available fault current based on the transformer upstream or the transformer directly next to it in the one line?

B you can assume infinite bus upstream and do fault current based on that transformer its next to, but the A fault is confusing me. ETAP isn't helping

>> No.16191209

try a reverse transcription of the upper circuit using newton's method. you should be able to invert the resistance to truncate the overall power

>> No.16191212


Someone failed the PE spectacularly

>> No.16191249

Me too. Job market is dead where I live.

>> No.16191317

How do these online courses work?
The thing says "Ends Dec 31", but can I get the certificate before that?
I need it for an application

>> No.16191585

How old are you, anon?

>> No.16191802

I want to work for FAANG and make easy money, issue is I'm 31 doing EE work, should I give up a dream of computer science and just go MBA / project management route and try and work my way into FAANG?

>> No.16191811

I'm an EE trying to get a second job to avoid poverty. This is really what it's come down to huh

>> No.16191820

Is there any website to find remote consulting work as a ML PhD student? I want to make extra money but don't want to do TA because I cannot write it as experience in my resume to apply for jobs later.

>> No.16191869

Holy shit being licensed in more than 3 states is a pain in the ass.

>> No.16191873

You need to pass the whole thing before getting the cert

>> No.16191963

I haven't been around in a couple of years - I started /scg/ in 2020, is the same anon still running the faq page as well?

Awesome to see things are still flowing, I believe these threads to be of real benefit to anons.

>> No.16192043

Nowadays its just people with PhDs complaining about unemployment.

>> No.16192045

>cannot write it as experience in my resume to apply for jobs
Why not? Don't listen to any career advice from a boomer or Gen X

>> No.16192048

I agree that now is the time to start making preperations in the form of connections to future proof your career; hell, even just learning the tools coming out and how you can work it inti your workflow will improve your chances.
You think it's going to change data engineering dramatically? I personally think it could when it comes to cleaning data, and possibly even engineering itself: still sounds pretty off though, and difficult.

>> No.16192091

Are you:
a) a transgender woman
b) a member of a recently persecuted minority group
c) "differently abled"
d) a high-caste Brahmin
If not, then give up on dreaming of working for FAANG. FAANG doesn't want privileged cisgender heterosexual males.

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Guys don't fall for the Civil engineering meme degree

>Be me, graduate class of 2023
>Be from good university (Ivy league equivalent in my country)
>Have Latin honors
>Take Licensure exam, score high almost made it to top 10
>Have good practical relevant course works/project in structural + geotechnical engg class
>Actual design projects such as soil analysis + foundation design, structural analysis of buildings + BIM detailing + structural optimizations
>Can't get a job in construction or engineering

What do I do bros? All the companies I apply for don't reply. It has been 6 months and my parents are starting to notice I am leeching off gibs. I started applying to non engineering jobs recently. Will I become a janitor or a security guard? I am so scared bros......

>> No.16192104

What country?

>> No.16192111

Have you tried just applying for any job? I don't mean applying for big construction projects. I mean doing shit like supervising the construction of regular people's homes and neighborhood community centers. You're not gonna build the next Hoover Dam straight off college. You gotta start off small and hope that maybe one day you might build something big-ish.

>> No.16192121

>Nowadays its just people complaining about unemployment.
I mean... to be fair, that's everybody. "Unemployment" may officially only be about 4%, but the NILF rate is pushing 30%.

>> No.16192252

FAANG companies have been seeing massive layoffs as of recent. I wouldn't want to work there if I were you.

>> No.16192257

You are misinformed. There is a shortage of COMPETENT STEM graduates.

>> No.16192262

Medical schools primarily look at rec letters, how well you did as an undergrad, and MCAT scores. A Masters can theoretically help but not as much as you think it does.

>> No.16192284

What are some good YouTube channels for STEMpilled studentcels?

>> No.16192469

No, there's a shortage of companies that can recognize competent STEM graduates.

>> No.16192502

i've thought about creating a STEM career advice youtube channel but idk if it's really worth it. i value my anonymity too much

>> No.16192586

>day 146 of unemployment
Getting a math phd was a huge mistake

>> No.16192587

at least you get 300k starting

>> No.16192595

That always has been a significant component of this general. Naturally, the anons most interested in discussing careers are those searching for a job - that was my own motivation is starting /scg/. Even if only 5% of anons in scg are giving any advice, /scg/ still holds great value imo!

>> No.16192602

Every medical school has a unique criteria for evaluating applicants - there is a good chance that the masters program isn't terribly beneficial for your application on it's own. As >>16192262
stated, undergrad GPA and MCAT score are the critical. The extent things like extracurriculars/shadowing is valued will vary considerably from country to country. The former being massively important in Canada and the latter being very important in the USA. You will have to do research based on your circumstances - reddit is a good resource for learning from other premeds what is important.

>> No.16192659

use text to speech
however it's a lot more difficult to get views if you don't do the mrbeast basedface in the thumbnail

>> No.16192662

I don't buy this unless your autism levels are fully off the charts scaring off HR thots

>> No.16192725

>math phd
>not autistic to the max

you literally cannot finish a math phd without a severe diagnosis of autism or aspergers.

>> No.16192742

>is the same anon still running the faq page as well?
Yes, that's me. I have an update to push out soon, the updates have been a bit infrequent lately.

>> No.16192750

Tried the military route? They need a lot of civil engineering, also in the field.
Then there is the generic advice with management consulting and finance, possibly patent law.

>> No.16192771

Europe? Which country? Are you applying abroad?

>> No.16192828

I guess it is possible for some, but I have severe autism.

>> No.16192845

In that case you should apply to crypto jobs. These guys are way, way out on the spectrum.

>> No.16192862

How late is too late to go from nothing to a stem degree?
I'm 21, I want to be a zogbot for a few years then go to college for EE but I'm worried I'll be too old since it gets harder to learn new things once you're too old. I'll be 24 when I get out. Is this a valid concern? Should I just go to college now?

>> No.16192910

Not really a good career move right now. I would be like joining Waffen SS in 1945.

>> No.16192925

21 and even 24 is not too late. I've met older adults (30+ years old, some married with kids) and even a senior citizen taking college classes with 18-21yr olds. Presumably you would enlist to get the GI bill benefits? I think that's a fair reason to delay college studies.

>> No.16193116

That's great to hear! I hope you're doing well, my friend.

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Alright guys I need you help so the semestre ended and I fucking failed.
I failed the last semester and I am so embarrassed I refuse to go back.
And before you tell me to try again just know that my parents already tried telling me that when I then put a knifed completely through my arm to prove how serious I was. They accepted it and aren't making me go back.
So yeah i kind of just fucking refuse. I wasted 4 years of my life.
How do I make money now? I mean I wasted 4 years and have nothing to show for it. The time loss is far more painful to me than wasting my parent's bullshit money.
College really ruined me as a human being. I gained 50 fucking pounds, became neurotic, and I don't even remember how to talk to people, so obviously I have no friends and never had sex. So I'm going to spend some time working on myself trying to get myself to be better.
But I'm worried about making money. Because I'm also embarrassed to be around my parents anymore. I want to go and see the world. My whole life was just go to school then go home and play games. And then in college I hadn't even time for games anymore. I can't go from getting an A in complex analysis to selling shoes at footlocker.
Wondering if you know any option for an autist like me to make money in maybe an unconventional way.
My old life goals were to solve naiver-stokes and get a PhD. My new goals are own a fjord where I can fish all day and go to asia and buy a lot of sex.

>> No.16193136

It's never easy to learn anything, it's only easy to learn when you've learned to learn. And if you do that it doesn't matter what age you are as long as you aren't suffering from some kind of degenerative brain disease.

>> No.16193141

Unironically go teach at a latin american college.
Having a PhD in the west makes you a god in the 3rd world.
I recommend brazil, there is lots of sex there

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>civil engineer: construction
>civil engineer: hydraulics

>> No.16193189

There's nothing wrong with working some retail or some other low-skill job while you figure out what to do. Besides, most college graduates end up working at one anyways lmao.
Watch some opencourseware lectures on various topics if you want to go back to college for some reason.

>> No.16193192

>most college graduates end up working at one anyways lmao.
how is that true? I heard most college graduates make more money than hs graduates?
Also I never want to go back, I could have read a complex analysis book at home. I gained nothing but embarrassment
and costed my parents like 120k

>> No.16193211

>I can't go from getting an A in complex analysis to selling shoes at footlocker
What about failing college to selling shoes at footlocker

>I wasted 4 years and have nothing to show for it
Go back and get the degree and you'll have something to show for it

>I then put a knifed completely through my arm to prove how serious I was
Are you a teenage girl?

>My old life goals were to solve naiver-stokes and get a PhD. My new goals are own a fjord where I can fish all day and go to asia and buy a lot of sex.
Your goals are retarded but at least the newer ones are less retarded than the old ones

>> No.16193214

Go back and try again motherfucker.
I failed both my statistics and my numerical analysis class, now I will spend the whole summer, study those two, so that next year I just breeze through them.

>> No.16193239

>What about failing college to selling shoes at footlocker
I only failed because of one class
>Go back and get the degree and you'll have something to show for it
>Are you a teenage girl?
how else could I prove my resolve?
>Your goals are retarded but at least the newer ones are less retarded than the old ones
everything is retarded
I don't want to be that guy that was held back a year in college over 1 class. What will the graduate school think?
I am too embarrassed to go back. The faculty and 3rd years will recognize me

>> No.16193251

>most science grads won't be in science careers
This is one of many reasons why the university system is gay and retarded and should be replaced with the old guild master/apprentice system

>> No.16193270

>I only failed because of one class
Which makes this whole thing even more dumb. Nobody cares if you failed over one class or eight classes if you dropped out, they'll lump you as a dropout regardless.

Whereas if you actually get your degree, anyone can understand that you might fail a class for a number of reasons.

>I don't want to be that guy that was held back a year in college over 1 class.
Being the guy that dropped out of college over 1 class is worse.

>how else could I prove my resolve?
By doing literally anything to actually fix your situation rather than fucking it up further by throwing a temper tantrum.

>> No.16193330

why is it worse? college is stupid
it's given me nothing
it's been a toxin to my life
I am filled with impotent rage which symbolizes the futility of my existence.
I will never go back, I refuse to be a prisoner or a hostage in a life unlived. You're a sick bastard, anon. I'll live a life and spite everyone that said I couldn't.

>> No.16193384

Stop replying to this fucking faggot he clearly just wants to be a lolcow. And even that you fail at. I hate people who do this, just post like a normal person.

>> No.16193395

No I actually just want information and if I stop replying then the post impressions die and I will never get help.
Fucking idiot, I literally grew up on 4chan. I know how this site works and operates I knew I would get retarded posts like that and this.

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>> No.16194037

Well then, what about Chinese? OP talked about that too, and judging by how autistic the average poster is I'm quite sure that there's at least a few people here who bothered to learn it or otherwise somehow managed to gleam into its use/lack of use in STEM.

>> No.16194158

Shouldn't have voted for Biden then

>> No.16194191

To all the ones that studied computer sciences, the world needs more chemical engineers

>> No.16194304

MechE is far more versatile and you can jump industries more easily than ChEs

>> No.16194363

I overheard a student talking about neuroengineering degrees at a prestigious university. I think I can get in. Would it be worth it? I want to work on improving prostheses in people with neurodegenerative disorders.

>> No.16194379

True but in MechE can you do the detail engineering of a 50 meter steel colossus by drawing funny little stairs in a silly diagram?

>> No.16194942

Doing the last gen-ed like class for my degree (Chemistry). Shit's jank and I remind myself often that this isn't my major and that C's get degrees. In other news, online school continues to be a really good fit for me (doing a lab at 7pm on a sunday).

>> No.16194963

Weapons or unemployment. There is no middle ground, unfortunately. It's not to late to change to a more generally applicable engineering route, anon.

>> No.16194973

Mid to late 30s, at that point you'd be older than most mid level engineers and it'd cause animosity against your peers. At least that's what I've seen from the engineers who started in that age range. While you'll be 7 years behind in engineering experience at least you'll be more mature and debt free which is does count for something in my opinion.
>And before you tell me to try again just know that my parents already tried telling me that when I then put a knifed completely through my arm to prove how serious I was.
It ain't that deep dude, if you want to drop that time and money sink because you flopped on a couple of classes that's on you. Personally, I'd go back and just grind the classes out and finish the degree.

>> No.16195027

>schools can't identify good candidates and reject bad candidates
>schools can't pass good students and fail bad students
>employers can't pass recognize good candidates or fire bad employees
It's all so tiresome.

>> No.16195031

>schools can't-
They underpay, except in places where they pay enough (but then the cost of living is usually so high that few come anyway)
>schools can't pass good students and fail-
Anyone, or they risk losing funding. Because people have the misguided belief that the high school diploma means anything if the person holding it is not competent
>employers can't-
They get so many applicants because the system we use now encourages you to spam Apps at everyone, even if you don't fully qualify, and just hope to prove yourself at the interview.
They filter out so many who don't fit what an AI or a simple program believes fits the job, because they get so many apps
They filter out so many who make it beyond that, because they've made processes that are designed to filter out anyone who isn't so prepared that they are nearly single-minded in purpose.
God is watching, and He is angry at how stupid we are.

>> No.16195161

>too creative for accounting
>too shy for law
wat do

>> No.16195165

One class offered in the last semester only. I'm not going to fall for the sunken cost fallacy.

>> No.16195169

There's a shortage of companies that can recognize competency, so they use degrees as a proxy.

>> No.16195179

There's shortage of companies and managers who bother to properly train new hires

>> No.16195241

A) Transformer upstream, the transformer next will contribute some but not enough to bother calculating it.
B) Infinite bus is the most conservative approach when doing arc flash analysis. I don't know why you're bothering with doing any analysis on the transformer next to it.

>> No.16195242

Just give up like me and find a job at a factory where your knowledge can be useful.

>> No.16195331

>a factory
I live in Europe, not China. We don't have those anymore here.

>> No.16195337

Eastern Europe still has tons of factories.

>> No.16195403


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>day 148 of unemployment
Really hating this shit. I even used to hate weekends due to boredom.

>> No.16195435

lots of brazilians are studying CS nowadays aiming for remote work for the US, timezone of Brazil is very similar with the US and the culture still western minded, It's cheap, they speak a good english and the quality of engineers is high, I mean with USD100k/year in Brazil you are upper middle class and can afford a good house, good car, this kind of lifestyle was only possible for doctors and lawyers in the past, so It will only become worse for the US engineers desu

>> No.16195516

Do conferences, seminars and workshops matter? I thought they were a waste of time so I never attended them before, but plenty of people seem to go.

>> No.16195519

Is remote work really that easy to come by? I'd brutally kill 38 toddlers to find a comfy WFH job.

>> No.16195657

>does meeting people in your area who share your interests and who can help you land a job at their place in the future help?
go, and put in an effort to make some friends, lest you end up like this nigga >>16195405

>> No.16195663

Those are important for networking.

>> No.16195687

well shit then they're not for me, I have zero social skills

>> No.16195691

I didn't have much of that either, but you get used to it. Sp dive into it like your career depends on it - since that is the truth.

>> No.16195697

I am a thirdie sovietboy next year uni (ivy equivalent of my country) mathematics student with 1500+ SAT 7.0 IELTS scores (paid with granny pension btw).
This year no EU uni gave me scholarships (got accepted tho) and I have to stuck in this shithole for one more year.
I know shitturkic/turkish/russian, english (C1), french (B2), I have zibillion github projects (C/C++ and python) about DATA/ML, physics/math (glorified 3D graph in OpenGL) engine with math and shit, I wrote amateur LaTeX textbooks about probability/statistics, linear algebra and calculus in 2 languages ( english and shitturk). I even have compete set of mini side projects about reverse engineering (((for hobby))). I even prepared references with bribery and nepotism. But they did not give me a fucking scholarship.
I could literally participate in IMO but they asked for laughable amount of money cuz some rich retard's son had to "prove" himself.
I can't handle this anymore. I want to BTFO from this cockroach infested shithole. What other projects and stuff should I also do? How can I guarantee a scholarship from a white western country?
I am not larping. I am tired.

>> No.16195723

If you are in the Russian sphere, tried Yandex?

>> No.16195728

I'm a pretty unconventional person, but I'm pretty smart. I do janitorial work at night with my parents. They want to save up for a restaurant which I believe is economically viable considering products will outlast any kind of service job.
Basically I watched the movie good will hunting and I thought it's kind of like me except I'm just a normal smart guy not a matt damon smart guy. So I've been reading math books.
I was wonder if a guy like me could possibly make money some day from this knowledge? Especially in an unconventional way.

>> No.16195988

Which countries/universities did you apply to for scholarships? All I can say is try smaller countries like Belgium, Denmark, Finland, probably even Czechia or Poland would be an upgrade for you.
I wish I could help you with scholarship advice but I studied in my home country (Belgium) with minimal tuition (1k/year). The system is very unfair towards foreign students, you are treated as cash cows to generate profit for the university and expected to pay 10k tuition/year (+ rent) so anyone with no money gets fucked. It will be the same when you apply for a masters.

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>3 interview stages for an assistant professorship
It's all so tiresome...

>> No.16196251

Anyone have experience transitioning from education to something else? Fell for the Teach for America meme, believed I would make a difference, now desperate to get out

>> No.16196407

lmao 3 stages is normal even for junior tech jobs nowadays

>> No.16196446

Conferences are good, but you have to force yourself to interact with people, even if it's just asking simple follow-up questions during a poster or after a presentation. Conversations lead to tangents lead to opportunities.

Last year at DPP I started talking to some people at one of the low-temperature talks and our conversation lead to a tangent about experimental collaboration that led them to tell me about a collaborative research facility program I hadn't heard of - six months later and now my application for runtime was accepted and I've got a week of experiment time on DIII-D: I'll probably get two, maybe three publications out of the results, I get to list myself as a principal investigator on a project, and I've now made a lot of connections with people in the CRF program and with the people I'm going to be collaborating with on the experiment.

Regardless of your field, you will get stuck if you don't force yourself out of your comfort zone.

>> No.16196720

Do the way professors treat undergrads indicative of how they treat graduate students? I am using RateMyProfessor to see if potential PIs are decent people but I am not too sure if this strategy works.

>> No.16196733


If you have zero social skills academia is not for you. It's a cliche, but "it's not what you know, it's who you know" very much applies.

While this is true for every single profession, and that you generally will not advance beyond a certain point in your career without people skills, academia is particularly notable for basically not having long-term careers outside of tenured professors with their own groups. Whereas in industry you can continue existing as a drone if you're too autistic to go down the manager pipeline.

Funding, professorship appointments etc. are all extremely political. And of course day-to-day maintaining of a research group requires leading the group, dealing with the people admin, maintaining and seeking out collaborations and whatever.

It's part of the reason I gave up. Not only was my personality actively harmful for my career, I realized that to continue that career would be to make a full-time career out of something I deeply hate.

>> No.16196735

You need the credentials to prove you understand the contents of the math books you are reading assuming they are textbooks or something like that.

>> No.16196741

Remote work is ultra competitive so you need credentials and experience up the ass plus be good looking too.

>> No.16196765

If someone is a complete psychopath in lectures I doubt they're a perfectly nice as a research supervisor, but if someone is nice in lectures they can still be a complete psychopath as a research supervisor.

Also certain professors really like research and could not give a shit about teaching but are forced to do it.

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>Got offered a graduate field engineer job with Weatherford. What's the general consensus on this company?

Looks like oil drilling supplies.
Logo is very sus, Stealth Bomber sus.

Government black budget if the logo is a hint.
I see lots of arabs, niggers, and exhausted white guys in a business like that while the cuntoid whores try to destroy them all in the background.

From 2003 to 2007, Weatherford conducted extensive oilfield services business in Iran which involved the direct or indirect exportation of goods, technology, and services to Iran, and the facilitation of those transactions by U.S. persons, totaling $23,001,770. From 2005 to 2008, Weatherford conducted extensive business that provided oilfield equipment and services in which the government of Cuba or blocked Cuban nationals had an interest, including travel-related transactions by Weatherford employees to and from Cuba, totaling $69,268,078. From 2005 to 2006, Weatherford conducted oilfield services business in Sudan which involved the direct or indirect exportation of goods, technology, and services from the United States to Sudan, totaling $295,846.

>> No.16196875

doesn't say that in the bible

>> No.16196906

>Being a snobby dickhead to mere mechanical engineers

Never stop doing that. They deserve it.

>> No.16196921

typical academia slave

>> No.16197393

>i just want to get to a white western country
I genuinely don't understand people like this. Is it just bait? You realize there's no such thing as a "white western country" anymore and that the reason there is no such thing is because they all got flooded by people doing exactly what you are trying to do.

>> No.16197429

Good morning, chud.
The existence of 1 percent minority doesn't make your cunt as bad as Niger with 100% niggers.
Not even considering the 1 percent are over qualified doctors, engineers, academicians and so on.
But, the west has fallen! Right? Try to live in a shithole for a month, and we will see how much you will praise the fallen west.

>> No.16197635

>1 percent
Going to need a source on that, which you cannot provide and we both know the reason.

>> No.16197645

I don't know about you but I wouldn't drink a soda with 1% shit in it

>> No.16197677

>Not even considering the 1 percent are over qualified doctors, engineers, academicians and so on.
This is pure status striving. Just because someone is an "academic" doesn't mean they are worth a shit. See the 11k peer reviewed papers that just had to be retracted because they were all fake and retarded.

>> No.16197715

Neither would a jeet they'd need a much higher concentration

>> No.16197723

I thought Russian unis were still good for math?

>> No.16197727

that guy is from one of the stans or Azerbaijan, none of which have good universities

>> No.16197767

You would if the other option was 100% percent, and if you had to choice one, chud.

>> No.16197825

Kazakhstan has several very good ones now

>> No.16197860

Hey man, I am doing my PhD in spectroscopy/inorganic/computational, and I've been hearing that semiconductors companies hire people in my field. Only thing is, I know way more traditional chemistry, and not that much solid state. What kind of stuff do you need to know for your job? Is it interesting? What do semiconductors companies hire people like me to do?

>> No.16197987

I've interned at a semiconductor R&D institute (I do CS now), there are definitely a few computational people doing DFT. They collaborate with other researchers to do projections on new materials (usually involving doping). The thing with semiconductors is that the material stack is very expensive to change, so for a chemist the materials will probably be really unexciting. I hope you like metal oxides and nitrides. Also a lot of hairy physical effects like defects, interfaces and thin film effects are important, and a lot of effort is spent not on the material itself but on fabrication techniques like ALD, MBE, etching and so on.

I know spectroscopy is also used to characterize materials but I haven't heard of anyone who *only* does spectroscopy, it's the same people doing device design, fabrication and characterization in this case. Maybe in big industry it's more siloed.

For example the project I was working on involved characterization of [math]\mathrm{Ba}_x\mathrm{Sr}_{1-x}\mathrm{TiO}_3 [/math] for use as a dielectric in cryogenic devices at 300 mK. Can you predict how the dielectric constant and loss of this material scales with temperature and x? Oh, and it's for an interface with aluminum so there's a lattice mismatch. How about the ferroelectric properties? That's the kind of thing you'd be doing (substitute the cryo part which is atypical with doping and/or film thickness)

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Why hasn't anyone told me working in stem means working exclusively with men and trannies? Where are all cute girls in stem at?

>> No.16198221

why would you want to work with cute girls? the workplace isn't the place to source women. you don't fuck you coworkers at a serious job, that's for when you're 18 working at burger king

>> No.16198232

How hard is it to get funding for a Pure Maths PhD in UK? I am still finishing my undergrad but all I see for funded PhDs are applied stuff. It makes a lot of sense since someone needs to be funding the work, for some reason, but it's a bit disheartening none the less. Within pure math academia, will there be any discrimination against people who's PhDs are in some random applied thing even although they want to do research in some obscure pure stuff?

>> No.16198234

Yeah but my working environment is defiled by those hideous creatures. I want something to offset that

>> No.16198236

being around hot girls who you aren't allowed to even try to fuck is pain. not to mention they don't make good stem lords

>> No.16198249

As hard as any country for pure maths. Just look up professors in areas you want to work in and ask them if there are any funding. It is preferable if you already have a research proposal at hand and send it along with the email.
Unless you're truly autistic about pure maths I'd suggest you avoid it and do something else applied or go for masters in data science if possible. Career path for pure mathematicians is very narrow and you have a LOT more leeway if you majored in something else in maths.
t. Phd graduate from UK

>> No.16198278

Thanks for the advice anon. I have no idea what I will do after a PhD, I would like academia but I recognize its become absurdly competitive and toxic. Pure maths (and philosophy of maths insanity) is my primary interest in academia. Coming up with a strong research proposal and emailing relevant professors is a great idea and cannot hurt to do. If that does not work out I'm sure I can find some sort of applied project and then proceed to make far better money than academia in industry anyway.

I will also speak with my professors next year.

>> No.16198425

>Where are all cute girls in stem at?
The good cute girls have already been taken; there is simply not enough of them to go around. The rest aren't taken for a reason. Sorry fren.

>> No.16198466

I wouldn't drink either

>> No.16198549

I'm the anon in the initial post. I'll be able to give you better answers once I've actually started at the job. In my case, my PhD was in organics/organometallics (though I'm a physicist originally), and the company does III-V semiconductors so that's very different. What they were largely interested in was spectroscopy and characterization, I have experience building and maintaining specialized setups. Apparently advanced characterization was something they found surprisingly in demand (it's not their actual product), but they didn't have too much in-house experience. They wanted to go deeper into that, so that'll be where I start, but it's a small enough operation that I assume I'll be involved in multiple projects.

To be perfectly honest with you, I don't think I was exactly the dream candidate. But they're a small company in a medium sized town in a small country and the pay isn't great, so I doubt they get the pick of the litter. I expect to feel like a retard for about six months after I start. At this point of my life that's nothing new.

Your skills will almost certainly not be a 100% fit with any industry job, but that's all right.

>> No.16198726

Lads, what kind of coding should I learn if I wanna get into robotics and automation?
I already got C/C++ down and have some notions of ladder logic used in PLC programming. Would it be more useful to learn low-level programming or high-level programming stuff for robotics?
In case you're wondering, yes, I'm gay and brown-skinned which is why I'm incapable of taking a decision without absurd amounts of counselling from others.

>> No.16198729

There's only one thing I know about Nihongo, and it's 私はゲイ.

>> No.16199078

It's not that competitive and toxic in the UK. Most of the really bad stories are from the US or third world. The UK is just shitty pay for some pretty depressing working conditions and the same begging for funding you see everywhere else.
t. UK PhD and postdoc who left those blasted isles for the continent