Socrates

[Anonymous No.16174822]

Is there any proof he really existed?

[Anonymous No.16174828]

Collective disdain of his critics

[Anonymous No.16174862]

reminder the government is the problem

[Anonymous No.16174886]

>>16174862
Na killing its best citizens is a feature not a bug

[Anonymous No.16174895]

>>16174828
Noooo a social faux pas guess your fucking dead kid.

[Anonymous No.16174897]

>>16174822
Strange how Aristophanes could stand on stage and literally point out politicians and call them fagggots with blown out ass holes but Socrates gets killed

[Anonymous No.16174898]

Is there any proof you exist?

[Anonymous No.16175250]

>>16174822
Where do you think socks came from?

[Anonymous No.16175292]

>>16174822
Don't know, don't care. He was just another retard as admitted by himself ("I know nothing")

[Anonymous No.16175499]

>>16175292

[Anonymous No.16175551]

>>16175292
>Humility is an alien concept to the unwarranted egomaniac.

[ANONYMOUS No.16175553]

hemlock

[Anonymous No.16175570]

>>16174895
Not really, never forget they kept record of executions

[Anonymous No.16175720]

>>16174822
If you count Plato's and Xenophon's texts as proof, then yes. Is that solid proof ? No.

[Anonymous No.16175736]

>>16174822
There are no proofs the past existed as told. It should not matter, we can take the world as it is today.

[Anonymous No.16175757]

>>16174822
what I don't get is how he became so infamous. he was just a guy who had conversations with people. how did everyone in athens know him?

[Anonymous No.16175802]

>>16175757
greek people are famouse because the british elite in the 19th century got obsessed with them to the point they did nothing in universities but read greek and create associations called after greek letters

[Anonymous No.16176298]

>>16175720
There's considerable evidence that Plato by an large made up him and he was a composite figure to put a name and face to a bunch of philospohical beliefs from that time period.
Much like Homer was invented for The Iliad and the Odyssey

[Anonymous No.16176702]

>>16175292
Nothing is actually one of the hardest things to understand, its basically the reason infinity is so hard to understand since infinity is based on other things being limited by nothing, so if someone is able to have complete knowledge about nothing, its actually a pretty big step up from the knowledge the rest of humanity has secured.

[Anonymous No.16176719]

>>16176298
>There's considerable evidence that Plato by an large made up
No there isn't.

[Anonymous No.16176800]

>>16174886
Socrates agreed.

[Anonymous No.16176803]

>>16176298
>>16176719
I think what Anon is thinking of here is that Plato almost certainly put his own beliefs in the mouth of Socrates in his later writings.

[Anonymous No.16176819]

>>16174897
He was killed for political reasons. He was a commander in the peloponesian wars and was associated with a political faction that had been in disgrace since then that the ruling authorities wanted to dissuade from revolt. The whole “corrupting the youth” thing was a scapegoat for the real reason they wanted him dead which was that he was an outspoken agitator with a respectable military record and a following of young combat aged men which is quite literally THE WORST case scenario for a politician in Ancient Greece that wants to keep his hold on the state.

[Anonymous No.16176822]

>>16176819
Well yes, he fought in the Peloponnesian war, but after Athens' defeat he ostensibly sided with the oppressor, the so-called Thirty Tyrants who were installed by the victorious Sparta, and his philosophy seemed to support oligarchy. So with the restoration of democracy, there was a real case to be made against him for "corrupting the youth" with anti-Athenian and anti-democratic values. At the same time, they couldn't prosecute him as a member of the Tyrants' regime because his support was not so outspoken as that and there is even a famous anecdote brought up in his defence where he refused to tell some soldiers where they could find an enemy of the regime (but neither did he warn the wanted man).
In the end, he fully surrendered to the mercy of the court and accepted their punishment willingly, in line with his beliefs on a man's duty to the state.

[Anonymous No.16176823]

It's so fucking whack to me how much of Western philosophy derives from a handful of dudes who all knew each other

[Anonymous No.16176825]

>>16176823
They are just the ones who decided to finally write it all down.

[Anonymous No.16177277]

>>16176823
>rom a handful of dudes
All these texts were composed in renaissance Italy by a dude trying to sell books

[Anonymous No.16177321]

Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes. Three people who wrote about him. That’s pretty good for the ancient world. I don’t doubt he was real. Kierkegaard thought that he was most like Aristophanes version in The Concept of Irony.

[Anonymous No.16177426]

>>16177321
/thread

[Anonymous No.16177787]

>>16177277
>what is medieval philosophy

[Anonymous No.16177820]

>>16176823
How's that a bad thing? Most movements are started by a bunch of dudes who know each other.

[Anonymous No.16177830]

>>16176298

[Anonymous No.16178411]

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