/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.16154376]

S30 LC Edition

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[Anonymous No.16154382]

>>16154369
It is though.
If we assume that the solar system and earth aren't massive outliers (no evidence that they are), there should be life everywhere.
Considering how much we impact our environment, if life was everywhere, we should be able to see evidence of it/older life should have spread to our neighborhood.

[Anonymous No.16154384]

>ses bought intelsat
the industry continues to collapse in the face of starlink. they needed to pivot years ago but they still havent.

[Anonymous No.16154390]

The aliens are coming directly at us at 99.9% c

[Anonymous No.16154411]

>>16154390
And you know this how

[Anonymous No.16154420]

>>16154411
We can't know until it's too late

[Anonymous No.16154422]

>>16154060
I wonder what the oldest file is that exists on SpaceX's servers. You reckon they still have the original CAD files for Falcon 1?

[Anonymous No.16154424]

Lol KSP2 staff getting laid off. That game is as good as dead hahaha

[Anonymous No.16154454]

>>16154424
Not even out of early access and already going skeleton crew?

[Anonymous No.16154476]

>>16154327
The real answer to the Fermi Paradox is the Shinkolobwe uranium deposit in the Congo.
It's an almost incomprehensibly rich deposit of uranium, a million times richer than anything else on Earth and a complete freak of nature. This is where the material for the Manhattan Project came from, jumpstarting our nuclear tech. Probably not more than a relative handful of planets in the galaxy have anything like that, let alone habitable planets, even more let alone habitable planets with a technological civilization. Without that our nuclear industry would never have gotten off the ground and we'd never be in a position to even talk about fusion rockets. We'd never have gotten around to building mines extracting low-grade uranium ore because we wouldn't really understand its value.
If the aliens really did come here after Japan was nuked, it's because they couldn't believe their eye stalks that such a primitive race had somehow achieved such powers.

[Anonymous No.16154480]

>>16154382
>there should be life everywhere.
We have almost no ability to detect life, even on planets in our solar system.

[Anonymous No.16154487]

>>16154476
>Without that our nuclear industry would never have gotten off the ground and we'd never be in a position to even talk about fusion rockets. We'd never have gotten around to building mines extracting low-grade uranium ore because we wouldn't really understand its value.

Most retarded shit I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.16154492]

Reminder that is storage was cheap we could easily power the world off solar

[Anonymous No.16154494]

>>16154476
Pretty sure they could've refined uranium from lower quality ore. The real problem as you know is enrichment.

[Anonymous No.16154506]

>>16154492
Technically true, but not a good idea: the half life of solar panels is too short. A substantial portion of industrial and power output would be allocated just to producing replacements and having to process the waste.

[Anonymous No.16154515]

>>16154506
is this a consequence of the fact that the energy return on energy invested factor for solar panels is ~7? That is we would have to commit 1/7th of the world's energy to producing new solar panels?

[Anonymous No.16154523]

>>16154515
Yep.

[Anonymous No.16154527]

>>16154515
Actually, no, it'd be worse than 7: that'd be the equilibrium number, with no capacity to handle any kind of demand growth.

[Anonymous No.16154532]

thoughts on the new lego?

[Anonymous No.16154534]

>>16154532
Good model, but kind of expensive, and disappointing that it's not the same scale as the Saturn V.

[Anonymous No.16154541]

>>16154534
its not same scale as SV? well fuck that
but i discovered that chang makes s1b

[Anonymous No.16154551]

Can't decide which merch to buy?

[Anonymous No.16154566]

>>16154494
But how would they even get started on that? It's easy if you know what you have to do. But without an easy source of uranium, why would a civilization ever set off down the path of a nuclear industry? It would have remained forever speculative as they reached 20th century levels of tech and fossil fuels gradually dwindled.

[Anonymous No.16154577]

>>16154566
Dunno Soviets did it somehow.

[Anonymous No.16154578]

>>16154424
>>16154454
That game was such an exit scam it was insane. Sold the initial release for 60 dollars then claimed it was a bargain and that it would never go below that price LMAO (then it immediately went below that price).
Sales flatlined with a tiny playerbase of like 300 people and they had already cut their losses by selling the game unfinished. It was obvious that they would quietly wrap it up after that, but so many people kept saying I was wrong due to that hype guy Nate Higgers saying they would keep developingmit anyway. With what money? People just thought it was going to be altruism or something lol.

I knew KSP2 was dead when I found out that they had like 50 artists and 2 engineers. Numbers should have been reversed. Nobody gives a fuck about pretty graphics, we wanted a game which was technically superior to the last one.

[Anonymous No.16154580]

>>16154577
>Domestic production was still insufficient when the Soviet F-1 reactor, which began operation in December 1946, was fueled using uranium confiscated from the remains of the German atomic bomb project.
>This uranium had been mined in the Belgian Congo

[Anonymous No.16154586]

>>16154578
it seemed to also be marketed as some game for normies
seems like they bought the IP but didn't understand why people played the game in the first place
maybe there was some reddit userbase that gave them the wrong impression somehow?

[Anonymous No.16154592]

>>16154578
>sell a good product to the soulless corporation
It never ends well

[Anonymous No.16154599]

>>16154515
you get EROI ~7 if you calculate with 20+ year old "artisanal" PV manufacturing technology and panels
the current EROI with Chinese mass produced mono-Si or US thin film PVs is over 30 and approaching 40

[Anonymous No.16154600]

>>16154586
It's disappointing but honestly what I thought was gonna happen all along.

[Anonymous No.16154604]

>>16154592
Capitalism is truly a scourge

[Anonymous No.16154606]

>>16154599
Yeah I'd for sure like to get some sources on lifespan and EROI. I like solar in principle but with the current EROI I don't see it. Why can't they just make them last longer it's literally a solid state device REEE

[Anonymous No.16154615]

>>16154592
Actually it's great. The old game still exists and the creators use the dumb old VCs as exit liquidity, leaving them holding the bag

[Anonymous No.16154619]

>>16154586
>maybe there was some reddit userbase that gave them the wrong impression somehow?
Yeah maybe. I know they spoke a lot to that youtuber Matt Lowne, who just makes infinite SSTOs in basegame and wanted all the goofy futuristic stuff to make it easier. I guess the game was only ever going to be worth their time developing if they could reel in a much larger audience than the original players, but normies dont give a fuck about rockets so they alienated everybody apart from paid shills

[Anonymous No.16154631]

>>16154551
Do amerisharts really?

[Anonymous No.16154633]

>>16154619
What's wrong with Matt Lowne

[Anonymous No.16154634]

>>16154604
incompetent business failing is why capitalism works actually

[Anonymous No.16154642]

>>16154633
Annoying and paid shill for KSP2. He's annoying irl too.

[Anonymous No.16154644]

>>16154634
It works to benefit the rich and powerful. Space will be communist.

[Anonymous No.16154647]

>>16154644
it benefits those who are able to build valuable companies and/or bring a lot of value
communism doesn't work

[Anonymous No.16154653]

>>16154647
cope and seethe

[Anonymous No.16154655]

>>16154606
sure, here's one
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0038092X24002299

But just think about it
I'm sure you noticed the cost for PVs were plummeting for the last 10-15 years
But have you considered why?
You have 3 main inputs - silicon, manpower and energy
Cost of raw Si is ~the same, cost of power in China is ~the same or rising slightly, cost of labour in China is rising rapidly

Knowing cost of energy is largest input in cost of the production, the only way to make the cost go down more than a few % is to do it a lot more efficiently
And that's exactly what they are doing. They are using FAR larger ingots these days - like 300mm+ diameters, 5m+ in length and ingots weight is measured in tons rather than kilograms, which means far less energy spent per panel and they managed to increase efficiency of the panels themselves as well.

[Anonymous No.16154656]

>>16154653
what happened to the soviet union again?

[Anonymous No.16154657]

Now that we know Starship is a lemon we have to reconsider skyhooks

[Anonymous No.16154661]

do starship launches have a price tag yet? how much will the early commercial launches cost?

[Anonymous No.16154665]

>>16154661
im trying to reason how an expected cost of a mission to mars

[Anonymous No.16154667]

>>16154661
>>16154665
no

[Anonymous No.16154670]

https://twitter.com/Matt_Lowne/status/1785597190989045827

[Anonymous No.16154672]

>>16154661
Infinity dollars because it will never become a commercial proposition

[Anonymous No.16154675]

>>16154647
Communism has unironically never been done. Russia was just Russia, if you know the history then it's funny how by Stalin it was basically the exact same as Tsarist Russia and just larped as communist.
Don't get me wrong, capitalism is clearly the best mechanism to allocate resources and produce, but the flaw is that wealth generates more wealth even without extra work done, which means capitalism decays if it's not maintained. It isn't a stable naturally correcting setup. You need to maintain a broad base of wealth in the population, because if most people have moderate spending power then industries will cater to their needs. If most people have measly spending power then there will be no viable business catering to their needs and heavy industries will collapse, replaced by luxury and service industries, which themselves will cater to a narrower and narrower audience as wealth inequality grows. Feudalism is the natural result of this process, but back then humans were needed as the primary unit of production which is why those landless peasants werent allowed to go extinct. Communism predicts a world without money, but in reality capitalism produces a world without money, because society becomes so unbeleivably stratified that there is no point even paying a serf, and market forces totally collapse because almost nobody in the society apart from a select few can afford products. Industry basically only took off in the UK because it had a quater of the world population as a captive market. Marx commented that the industrial workers in the UK couldn't afford to buy the stuff they were making all day in the factories, so in the case that they didn't have a massive empire to sell to you can see how wealth inequality would have caused a market collapse.
We are clearly experiencing market collapse in many industries today.

[Anonymous No.16154681]

>>16154661
mars and the moon have the same dV, so if it takes 11 launches to get HLS to the moon, and they're $400 million a pop in expendable mode, then that's $4.4 billion for a trip to the moon or mars

[Anonymous No.16154685]

>>16154681
it takes 17 launches though.

[Anonymous No.16154688]

>>16154655
the biggest energy use is purifying the sillicon apparently

[Anonymous No.16154692]

>>16154619
>normies dont give a fuck about rockets so they alienated everybody apart from paid shills
Why doesn't SpaceX collab with them to make like Starship paid DLC or someshit?

[Anonymous No.16154696]

>>16154692
Because modders do it for free.

[Anonymous No.16154697]

>>16154692
Why are they strapped in at so many places? doesnt that decrease safety if they need to get out the capsule quickly?

[Anonymous No.16154698]

>>16154696
The point being to get normies to play the game, not basement dwelling tank watchers

[Anonymous No.16154700]

>>16154698
>get normies to play the game
Do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.16154701]

Never forget what they took from

[Anonymous No.16154702]

[Anonymous No.16154703]

You to make a warmhole?

[Anonymous No.16154704]

>>16154701
Sad. I guess it did never makes sense why Neptune was such a rich blue.

[Anonymous No.16154714]

>>16154704
Its fake news, read this thread from people who have looked at both planets with their own telescopes
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/905912-uranus-neptune-colors/
Neptune isn't the deep blue from the old Voyager pics but its distinctly bluer than Uranus

[Anonymous No.16154715]

>>16154606
They have limited life BECAUSE they're solid state. Efficiency drops over time until total failure. Solar dynamic has much longer life because you can shut it down and replace individual bits of glass, metal, rubber, or working fluid, like a proper power plant. Photovoltaics should be classed as consumables and used in places where environmental wear requires periodic replacement anyway, like roofs.

[Anonymous No.16154717]

>>16154532
For me, its the actually flyable version

[Anonymous No.16154718]

>>16154715
>Solar dynamic has much longer life
They don't work well in diffuse sunlight unlike PV where you still get some power out. Better suited to space applications

[Anonymous No.16154721]

>>16154701
>>16154714
looks like BBC was overcompressing their images or something

[Anonymous No.16154732]

>>16154715
>Efficiency drops over time until total failure
they don't drop to 0V
that's not a thing (unless the cables fall off)

[Anonymous No.16154738]

>>16154492
I think you meant to say when storage inevitably becomes cheap enough.

[Anonymous No.16154745]

>>16154738
Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.16154760]

>>16154532
The launch pad is cool, it's just a shame Artemis is such a boring rocket and it's not in the same scale as the Saturn V
>>16154424
Well shit, all I wanted was KSP 1 with non janky base/colonisation and interstellar stuff but I guess that ain't happening now.

[Anonymous No.16154763]

>>16154631
$30 is actually pretty decent for brand tshirts nowadays, they could easily be twice that and people would still buy them.

[Anonymous No.16154780]

>>16154701
>we don't know what the actual color of the planets are
Can't this be established using an amateur telescope.

[Anonymous No.16154813]

>>16154670
I got an official statement for ya Matt:

IT'S OVER

[Anonymous No.16154814]

>>16154675
the early bolshevik leadership was as well-read and as dedicated as any communists who have ever lived. they only moved away from doctrinaire implementation of things because the initial attempt at communism in 1918-1921 was an abject failure and lenin was pragmatic enough to see that not changing course would mean national suicide. you'll be hard-pressed to find a single communist intellectual from those early days who claimed that what they were doing wasn't real communism - marx himself had allowed for the possibility that russia might be able to skip over the capitalist stage based on nikolai danielson's belief that there was due to an indigenous tendency towards socialism springing from the peasant communes.

[Anonymous No.16154815]

>>16154701
sovl vs soulless

[Anonymous No.16154819]

>>16154697
Atlas V, a rocket never designed to fly humans, is now magically human-rated out of nowhere with next to no modifications. They are gonna get shook to fuck and back

[Anonymous No.16154826]

>>16154701
Astronomers always lie. They lied with Voyager, and they're lying now.

[Anonymous No.16154830]

>>16154826
What are they lying about now?

[Anonymous No.16154834]

>>16154830
they just play porn games all day and make shit up.

[Anonymous No.16154836]

>>16154424
the only way to bring ksp2 back from the dead was nuking the team and hiring a new one that knows how to make a video game. i know that's not going to happen but this is still better news than no news.

[Anonymous No.16154837]

I'm such a dumb goy. I playd full price for KSP2 on day one and even made donations. I guess I'm a stupid goy.

[Anonymous No.16154838]

>>16154837
hahahah retard

[Anonymous No.16154840]

>>16154837
yikes.

[Anonymous No.16154842]

>>16154837
never go full retard

[Anonymous No.16154849]

>>16154837

[Anonymous No.16154857]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1785668498133295219

[Anonymous No.16154859]

>>16154422
Dr. Comet's Krystal set, in Elon's personal stash

[Anonymous No.16154866]

>>16154857
it's gotta be reusable then, right? so they completely threw out the original national team lander design in 2023 in favor of one that copied starship HLS as much as they possibly could within new glenn's constraints.

[Anonymous No.16154868]

Was Falcon Heavy a mistake?

[Anonymous No.16154870]

>>16154376
What does SFG stand for?

[Anonymous No.16154871]

>>16154868
saving europa clipper from needing a billion-dollar SLS launch alone makes it worth it

[Anonymous No.16154888]

>>16154870
Shit flinging gibbons

[Anonymous No.16154889]

>>16154670
whats going on?

[Anonymous No.16154893]

[Anonymous No.16154897]

>>16154889
I still haven't played KSP2 since it launched all shitty, I meant to go and torrent it at some point and never did.

[Anonymous No.16154901]

>>16154701
Neptune is clearly a water planet with a huge liquid ocean

[Anonymous No.16154902]

>>16154889
KSP2 is dead. Finally.

[Anonymous No.16154903]

>>16154897
are you concerned about viruses when torrenting?

[Anonymous No.16154904]

>>16154903
They still make those? I've never noticed.

[Anonymous No.16154906]

>>16154857
>blue origin refueling flights
Blue origin is doing orbital fuel transfer?

[Anonymous No.16154907]

>>16154866
The national team proposal was cancelled ages ago. BO was awarded the contract based on their own lander which was designed form the start to be reusable. Also the comparison of ten ish starship refuellings with 4 ish BO refuellings is bullshit. Starship can get to the lunar surface in 17 lanunches, BO can get to the lunar surface in 3 launches. For BO it takes 4 flights to refuel the luanr lander in lunar orbit. For Starship it's impossible to refuel the lunar lander in lunar orbit and there are not serious plans to reuse their HLS vehicles

[Anonymous No.16154909]

>>16154866
>Blue Origin
>Reusable
It's all based around Vulcans going in the drink. The fuck are they going to launch it in otherwise? New Shepard? They have never even tried to get to orbit with anything.

[Anonymous No.16154913]

>>16154909
New Glenn

[Anonymous No.16154914]

>>16154913
Doesn't exist. Also never even tried to get ANYTHING to orbit.

[Anonymous No.16154917]

It's not over yet

[Anonymous No.16154918]

>>16154903
Just don't download anything which isn't verified by rutracker.

[Anonymous No.16154919]

>>16154917
(it's over)

[Anonymous No.16154921]

>>16154670
Thia guy was shilling it at 60 dollars for a broken game. remember.

[Anonymous No.16154923]

>>16154917
They have to say this because KSP2 is still in early access.

[Anonymous No.16154924]

>>16154914
Launching this september in a non reusable config. We've already seen the engines work perfectly on Vulcan

[Anonymous No.16154928]

>>16154924
It doesn't exist until it's on the pad getting filled up and if you think they'll make orbit anytime soon, guess again.
As for their engines working perfectly, Vulcan shook the fucking payload apart.

[Anonymous No.16154929]

interesting thread about space war on /k/:
>>>/k/61524963

[Anonymous No.16154930]

>>16154928
>Vulcan shook the fucking payload apart
That was due to the SRBs obviously. SRBs also caused 14 deaths on the shuttle. BE4 worked perfectly.

[Anonymous No.16154932]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/05/01/starlink-broadband-internet-bead-grants/
>Starlink is expected to play a role in the Biden administration’s $42 billion program to bring high-speed internet to every American home, officials say

[Anonymous No.16154933]

>>16154930
>obviously
I see, mr ULA engineer. Shouldn't you be working on fixing Vulcan instead of shitposting on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.16154935]

>>16154932
He just keeps winning

[Anonymous No.16154936]

>>16154933
?

[Anonymous No.16154937]

>>16154932
https://archive.is/TCbnu

archive link

[Anonymous No.16154938]

>>16154932
Musk is safu, they cannot replace him, so they must deal with him.
He can (mostly) say what he wants.

[Anonymous No.16154941]

>>16154938
As long as you aren't investors' bitch, you can say whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.16154944]

>>16154932
>Elon Musk’s satellite internet service, Starlink, is expected to play a role in the Biden administration’s $42 billion program to bring high-speed internet to every American home, officials say, as Washington comes up against some hard math in its effort to build networks reaching the most remote corners of the nation.

[Anonymous No.16154949]

>>16154918
haha okay. Are they known for distributing viruses or something?

[Anonymous No.16154950]

>>16154932
I read the comments section and lost half my braincells
Do these people realize they're on a site owned by Jeff Bezos?

[Anonymous No.16154951]

>>16154932
"Good luck with your space innernet, jack!"

[Anonymous No.16154952]

>>16154929
it's just the usual fags mad that ChoaDE hasn't had an anime adaptation yet, I stopped clicking on those a long time ago

[Anonymous No.16154954]

>>16154929
That's refreshing, I was expecting another WEAPONIZE STARSHIP THREAD

[Anonymous No.16154956]

>>16154952
choade needs a functional video game adaptation first

[Anonymous No.16154957]

>>16154941
(investors)

[Anonymous No.16154960]

European project ballooning in cost
Water is wet
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/europes-ambitious-satellite-internet-project-appears-to-be-running-into-trouble/

[Anonymous No.16154963]

>>16154960
it's over

[Anonymous No.16154964]

>>16154717
>no booster sep
sad

[Anonymous No.16154967]

>>16154960
esa probably loses more money to corruption than roscosmos at this point

[Anonymous No.16154972]

>>16154951
Why does tesla make so few cars compared to ford?

[Anonymous No.16154974]

>>16154714
>Neptune isn't the deep blue from the old Voyager pics but its distinctly bluer than Uranus

[Anonymous No.16154975]

>>16154889
Elon Musk fired the whole team

[Anonymous No.16154976]

>>16154972
I don't pay attention to car stuff, cars are lame and don't fly to space without significant assistance.

[Anonymous No.16154978]

>>16154972
ford has been around over 100 years, Tesla about 20

[Anonymous No.16154980]

>>16154960
Shit costs money when every fucking agency in Europe has to be involved.
Just look at how F-35 ballooned in price, that was also design and build by committee.

[Anonymous No.16154981]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRJDaHgL9c
>Booster 13 Conducts Cryo Proof Testing at the Massey Outpost | SpaceX Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.16154983]

>>16154857
LMFAOOOOO

[Anonymous No.16154985]

>>16154978
would you say the same about SpaceX v ULA?

[Anonymous No.16154987]

>>16154532
I had a lego shuttle when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.16154994]

>>16154985
I'm not sure what you mean?
the dynamics of the businesses are entirely different, cars last over 10-20 years and are much more capital intensive than building rockets
SpaceX also pretty much created a new industry altogether, EVs replacing ICE cars isn't a completely new industry
when Teslas robotaxis come online then you might have comparable situation, but even then its going to take much longer due to how the businesses work (more capital intensive, much larger overall in every sense of the word)

[Anonymous No.16154996]

>>16154932
Too little too late, as Musk used to say

[Anonymous No.16154999]

>>16154476
Wakanda do be real

[Anonymous No.16155006]

>>16154996
Why is no one talking about chinas launching the first lunar sample return to the moons far side? Burgers cant stand chinese achievements it seems

[Anonymous No.16155009]

>>16155006
who gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.16155010]

>>16155009
I sorta do, if they show us video of the landing and surface operations.

[Anonymous No.16155011]

>>16155006
你才是不去月亮的!你全家都不去月亮!

[Anonymous No.16155013]

>>16155006
I wish they would stop sending chinks to their deaths. All of these suppsoed 'rovers' are manned btw. They just dont admit it because the guy inevitably dies.

[Anonymous No.16155014]

>>16155009
Amerimutts were crazy about the shitty nova C that didnt even land properly but you ignore the first moons far side sample return mission LMAO

[Anonymous No.16155015]

>>16155014
Nova C was even less interesting of a mission

[Anonymous No.16155017]

>>16155006
Because not even China is talking about it and as usual they won't talk about it unless it's a success.
Also fuck gommies.

[Anonymous No.16155019]

>>16155006
Because it isn't the seventies, China is not doing anything new.

>>16155014
Nova-C got extra attention because it is a commercial lander rather than a government one

[Anonymous No.16155021]

>>16155010
Hmm, entertained like a toddler. More bells and whistles for you to stare at, sire?

[Anonymous No.16155023]

>>16154960
I am incredibly shocked by the multigovernmental space program completely failing to stay on budget

[Anonymous No.16155025]

>>16155021
>Noooo you can't watch spaceflight in /sfg/
What did you think you were saying

[Anonymous No.16155031]

>>16155010
>if they show us video of the landing and surface operations
They never fucking do because any failure = BLACK MARK UPON MAO SO WE PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED.

[Anonymous No.16155034]

[Anonymous No.16155039]

>>16155031
Its funny you said that because the only one who lied about a successful moon landing was a american company

[Anonymous No.16155038]

>>16155031
Sometimes we see what they do

[Anonymous No.16155045]

>>16155019
No one brought back moons far side samples tho

>Nova-C got extra attention because it is a commercial lander rather than a government one

Yeah it was a complete failure

[Anonymous No.16155076]

>>16155038
After the fact. Never during.

[Anonymous No.16155079]

>>16154476
>>16154566
the main reason they why used Congolese ore was that Czech ore was not exactly available, higher grade was a nice bonus
Almost all early experiments and discoveries in radioactivity, as well most Soviet nuclear arsenal came from Jachymov pitchblende

[Anonymous No.16155080]

>>16155039
Start worrying when it becomes government policy to lie about success rates, not startup companies trying to stave off a stock drop until they can sell theirs.

[Anonymous No.16155084]

>>16154906
also surprised by this news, when was this announced/known about?

[Anonymous No.16155085]

>>16155045
More than 800lb of samples have been brought back from the Moon.

[Anonymous No.16155087]

>>16155084
When they won the second HLS lander selection.

[Anonymous No.16155089]

>>16155076
I never specified that it be live.

[Anonymous No.16155090]

>>16155089
But my post you replied to specifically said they never air things live.

[Anonymous No.16155091]

>>16155089
I never specified that you should give me a snarky reply.

[Anonymous No.16155092]

>>16155091
that was a snarky reply

[Anonymous No.16155095]

>>16155091
or should I say "A bit snarky don't you think?"

[Anonymous No.16155109]

>>16155087
guess im retarded

[Anonymous No.16155120]

>>16154857
So SpaceX decreased from 16 to 10 (apparently 6 now) and BO increased from 3 to 8 kek

[Anonymous No.16155129]

>>16155090
And my original post said I like to see videos of their missions.
>>16155091
It was always implied

[Anonymous No.16155156]

https://www.librarything.com/profile/IntlSpaceStation

[Anonymous No.16155159]

>>16155156
The physical library aboard the ISS is pretty small. a) because mass is limited and b) you can just load personal books on your ipad these days

[Anonymous No.16155169]

>>16155159
Lol zoom zoom iPad addict retard

[Anonymous No.16155180]

remember when the ISS had all those robots? talk about useless wastes of space.

[Anonymous No.16155182]

[Anonymous No.16155184]

[Anonymous No.16155197]

>>16155180
They had a drone race on the ISS too, it was tight

[Anonymous No.16155200]

What even would be the point of this besides cost-plus contracts and jobs

[Anonymous No.16155203]

>>16155200
Something something children's education and outreach probably

[Anonymous No.16155212]

>>16155180
those things are still pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.16155228]

>>16155200
what am I looking at?

[Priscilla No.16155230]

So we properly explained you thing

[Anonymous No.16155237]

>>16155200
If you see a human-shaped robot it's generally designed to use human-shaped interfaces
In other words, to make stations optionally manned without special construction requirements

[Anonymous No.16155260]

>>16154960
No competition = double/triple the cost.

This was expected. I also expect delays too

[Anonymous No.16155264]

Personally, I am interested to see updates and read about the Chinese space program in the spaceflight thread and am tired of American glowniggers sharting all over the thread with their gay jewish politics.

[Anonymous No.16155266]

>>16155264
yeah i can only imagine what this thread would be like in 1962 with all the asshurt whenever someone wanted to talk about what the soviets were doing

[Anonymous No.16155274]

>>16154932
Isn't this part of the infrastructure bill passed as Bipartisan effort so that states get to decide how to spend their money?

This doesn't invalidate that Biden cock sucker pulled the rug under Starlink. They're just trying to get a "Biden" win when states decide how to fund their rural internet efforts

[Anonymous No.16155279]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=NBNtiEYZ8sc

[Anonymous No.16155283]

>>16155266
The Soviets got beaten. Fuck off commie. Nice shuttle btw

[Anonymous No.16155296]

>>16155266
>"It's not a real accomplishment all they did was kill a dog, I can fucking do that! Fuck the commies American in space 2 more weeks!"

[Anonymous No.16155316]

>>16155296
Liteerally why did they do that? So inhumane.

[Anonymous No.16155318]

>>16155316

[Anonymous No.16155321]

>>16155316
Prove that you can put a living creature into orbit and nothing bad happens to it as a result.
Which, in retrospect, probably didn't need to be tested after all.

[Anonymous No.16155324]

>>16155316
Americans were launching monkeys, chimps and dogs in captured V-2s from high altitude balloons in the 40s and 50s, no one has the moral high ground.

[Anonymous No.16155325]

>>16155316
no other way to safety check zero-g for humans in future. they used an animals life to safeguard any future human lives. im sorry but human lives matter more than animal lives. you're not some vegan are you?

[Anonymous No.16155329]

>>16155316
No one knew what happened to organisms in prolonged free fall. Maybe the change in blood circulation leads to cardiac arrest. Maybe the semicircular canals go haywire and the creature is driven berserk.

[Anonymous No.16155330]

>>16155264
I agree. The Chinese disgust me, but I hope for their continued success in space. It'd be nice if they began to outpace American launches, as I'd hope that it would cause a greater sense of urgency for our gay leadership.

[Anonymous No.16155334]

>>16155019
Why does the contract being structured as a service rather than a good make the lander worthy of special attention?

[Anonymous No.16155337]

>>16155324
Ham was a national hero and his bones are buried honorably under the flag at Alamogordo's space museum. I don't know where the rest of him is, probably in some drawer in DC.

[Anonymous No.16155347]

RUH ROH

[Anonymous No.16155351]

>>16155347
>The test flight revealed anomalies with the Orion heat shield, separation bolts, and power distribution that pose significant risks to the safety of the crew.
Oh nonono shuttlesisters, I thought we figured this out

[Anonymous No.16155354]

>>16155324
>V-2s from high altitude balloons
You're entirely delusional

[Anonymous No.16155358]

>>16155019
>it is a commercial lander rather than a government one
Didn't Hughes build the Surveyor landers for NASA? Didn't Grumman build the Apollo landers? Doesn't IM's business case for the lander depend on CLPS money? What makes Nova-C more "commercial" than previous landers, until they actually have an independent commercial basis for it, one without government contracts? Does simply the CLPS contract being structured as a service rather than a good make the lander "commercial"?

[Anonymous No.16155359]

>>16155347
nasa hasn't figured this out yet?
These just look like normal heatshield bitemarks.

[Anonymous No.16155362]

>>16155347
That's worse than I expected.
They can't possibly fly it like this.

[Anonymous No.16155368]

>>16155347
>>16155351
OHNONONONONONO

also

>power distribution system

Didn't they have one of the vital power supply components fail and they couldn't replace it without tearing the whole capsule apart so they just said "that's why we have a redundant components XD". So it's now flying with a single point of failure for the entire power system, the same component that has already failed once. Add all this other shit in and I can't decide whether I would ride the boeing deathtrap or this deathtrap.

[Anonymous No.16155379]

>>16155358
You're being disingenuous.
It's about who is managing the program; who is operating mission control.

[Anonymous No.16155383]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16D0hmLt-S0

[Anonymous No.16155385]

>>16155347
that seals it. lunar reentry is too dangerous.

[Anonymous No.16155391]

>>16155347
god damn that looks bad, i thought it was just a bit more ablation (like few millimeters or something)
not massive craters
they have been really bullshitting and downplaying this
and SLS defenders keep saying Starship is the long pole? nigga

[Anonymous No.16155397]

>>16155347
another splashdown test would've found this.

[Anonymous No.16155398]

Soon all artemis mission profiles are going to change into orion docking with Starship in LEO and Starship continuing from there
lmaoooo
4bil to get to LEO
LMAOOOO

[Anonymous No.16155400]

>>16154857
That pic is about BO's 2021 lander proposal. Did BO's 2021 proposal require 4-8 refueling flights? Or is Berger disingenuously comparing apples and oranges here?

Is it not the case that the original 2021 contracting round had stricter schedule requirements, while the 2023 round had much laxer schedule requirements? And thus BO & team designed their landers accordingly?

[Anonymous No.16155405]

>>16155379
Why does the government paying a company to run mission control make it "commercial?", yet paying a company to build the lander does not?

[Anonymous No.16155406]

>>16155347
Taking bets: manufacturing defect, testing failure, or unforeseen mechanical process (cavitation?)

[Anonymous No.16155413]

>>16154967
Roscosmos gets more corrupt the less Moscow pays attention to it. ESA gets more corrupt the more Brussels pays attention to it.

[Anonymous No.16155415]

>>16155347
Oh that’s baaaad bad

[Anonymous No.16155417]

>>16155398
Imagine if they launch on orion, do the lunar landing on starship, and then reenter on crew dragon. How are they going to spin that?

[Anonymous No.16155419]

>>16155417
crew dragon probably can't reenter on a lunar return trajectory: its heatshield isn't rated for that.

[Anonymous No.16155420]

>>16155417
Muskhas said since like 2014 that crew dragon is desgined to survive Mars entry velocities. But is that really true?

[Anonymous No.16155426]

>>16155358
>What makes Nova-C more "commercial" than previous landers

it was not developed with government money in a government program ran by a government agency to launch that agencies payload to the Moon

it competed and won a contract to deliver NASA payloads in addition to private customer payloads

[Anonymous No.16155427]

>>16155347
oh. thats way worse than i thought.
>>16155406
probably a combination of all 3. They are using a slightly different process of manufacturing the heatshield for the orion capsule compared to the apollo. But im surprised that it would cause such a dramatic change
>>16155420
The current crew dragon definitely cannot. I am confident that they changed the design of the heatshield from Red Dragon to the current Dragon

[Anonymous No.16155429]

>>16155405
>why is paying a shipping company to load a pallet onto their truck commercial

[Anonymous No.16155431]

>>16155405
>Why does the government paying a company to capture some territory make it "mercenary?", yet paying a company to make the uniforms and the weapons does not?

[Anonymous No.16155438]

>>16155260
It's worse that even with the potential for competition, costs still balloon out of control, because the bureaucracy does its best to stifle private sector initiatives at any cost to ensure the public sector monopolies are further entrenched and enshrined.

[Anonymous No.16155445]

Why are yall stanning Elon Musk in this subreddit?

[Anonymous No.16155450]

>>16155419
>use the emergency abort motors that were originally designed for propulsive landing to conduct a reentry burn to slowdown the capsule
>then Dragon reenters Earth atmosphere like normal
>lands in the ocean
Like, there's ZERO POINT for having abort motors once the capsule has separated from the core stage without having used them. The fuel is just dead weight you're lugging around, so you might as well burn the tanks before you hit the atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperDraco

The crew dragon abort test had the 4 motors burn between 6-8 seconds prior to cutoff and the engines for stability reasons in atmosphere are reduced to 68kN, but can 100% burn at 71kN. So the real question is whether 6-8 seconds of burn time is sufficient at 71kN on Dragon V2 to shave off enough velocity to not burn up in reentry.

[Anonymous No.16155452]

>>16155450
Of course its not fucking faggot. do you have any idea how fast they are going?

[Anonymous No.16155453]

>>16155452
No, that's why I asked the question you hostile retard.

[Anonymous No.16155455]

>>16155445
because without spacex, spaceflight would be in a significantly worse state, and also would be much more boring.
>>16155450
Could be wrong, but I don't think it would be safe for the superdracos to be exposed on reentry.

[Anonymous No.16155462]

>>16155455
All spaceX did was kill the excitement of launches lol, I used to get so pumped for shuttle launches, now it's just boring and a waste of time to watch

[Anonymous No.16155463]

>>16155462
anon I...

[Anonymous No.16155464]

>>16155347
Are there any photos of the Apollo heatshields after use or did they disappear into the ocean or something

[Anonymous No.16155465]

>>16155455
I think the SuperDracos would be fine. Ultimately, more research answered my question, in that there's insufficient fuel onboard Dragon to bleed off enough dV to make a difference. The 4 motors burn for roughly 5 seconds in atmosphere. Ignoring air resistance losses and the fact that the capsule is inside the escape velocity threshold and thus still feeling gravity losses, 5 seconds still seems too short to make enough of a difference. You'd need a non-viable transport amount of fuel onboard for the engine to burn long enough that the capsule would drop into Earth's atmosphere instead of slam into it and burn up.

[Anonymous No.16155467]

>>16155450
If all the Dragon's prop load could be fed through the SuperDracos then it'd have something like 670m/s of delta-v to work with. In actual practice I imagine it would be a lot worse, but that's not the worst ballpark to start in. Being able to shave 0.5km/s off of your reentry profile is only 5% off Apollo 10's reentry speed but if you were actually planning for something like this I imagine you'd be flying a design that carried a lot more fuel for the burn.

That said, I don't think NASA would like an active system as much as they would a beefier heat shield. There's way less that can go wrong with a completely passive system, not that it's working out too well for them at the moment.

[Anonymous No.16155471]

>>16155464
Stop asking questions goy.

[Anonymous No.16155473]

>>16155347
HOLY FUCKING SHIT AAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.16155475]

Why is it that so many people are just now noticing Vast and Stoke? Ive been telling you all for fucking months that Vast would be the dominant force in the CSS market and that Stoke will be a very viable company in a Starship future. Do you all just have Alzheimers or something and forget everything /sfg/ says?

[Anonymous No.16155476]

>>16155475
To be fair I don't give a fuck about any startup until they launch something

[Anonymous No.16155478]

>>16155475
no, we just ignore (You) in particular.

[Anonymous No.16155479]

>>16155476
Stoke did a hop, and Vast just did the equivalent in a pathfinder prototype. Are you paying attention yet?

[Anonymous No.16155482]

>>16155475
Somebody was shilling gravitics, and I remember hearing about the falling out between Sierra Nevada & Blue Origin over Blue Reef.

[Anonymous No.16155484]

>>16155467
NASA's over conservative nature is why it costs 4 billion to get to orbit instead of 4 billion to build a base on the moon. They're good at some things, and can't be trusted with those other things to make any sane and reasonable decisions.

[Anonymous No.16155485]

>>16155482
Wow you are like half a year+ behind on CSS news. Please catch yourself up, exciting things happening, apparantly a demo for Vast is also going up this year, and next year is their space station. It will last 3 years and is scheduled to be THE first commercial space station so they will get all that juicy venture capitalist money that comes with that title.

[Anonymous No.16155487]

>>16155464
Apollo 16 looks better than Orion.

[Anonymous No.16155490]

>>16155482
Kek the only thing Gravitics has been in the news this year was for a small $1.7m contract with glowies. Blue Reef has had basically no interest or news, that shitty oldspace cuck station fell apart and more companies are turning away from inflatables, namely the new Airbus one.

[Anonymous No.16155494]

>>16155347
They had TWENTY FUCKING YEARS to prepare… unironically, I’m not even exaggerating. There are videos on youtube of NASA testing Orion that are approaching nineteen years old

[Anonymous No.16155496]

>>16154903
This never happens anymore. Pirate culture is very mature now with established upload groups.

[Anonymous No.16155498]

>>16155496
Theres a culture around pirating? Is it different from like movie pirating? The only time I pirate stuff is like watching shows and shit on 123movies but I never download anything.

[Anonymous No.16155499]

>>16155347
Yet contrarian shills will nonetheless call Artemis 1 a total success while calling IFT-3 a failure. Curious!

[Anonymous No.16155501]

>>16155499
Stop being racist chud, Artemis is taking transbian black latinx folx to the moon and Starship isnt. Criticizing Artemis is criticizing xem

[Anonymous No.16155502]

>>16155498
I just mean there are reliable known groups that upload releases to established sites, and anything bearing a virus payload would be found out immediately and would be a major scandal

[Anonymous No.16155505]

>>16155498
Most pirating sites are actually really centralized. Not just anyone can upload on major public trackers, and definitely not on private trackers. You need a reputation.

[Anonymous No.16155511]

>>16155464

Here's what happens to the main mechanical components on a profile Apollo mission:

S-IC: falls into the Atlantic
Interstage: falls into the Atlantic
Launch Escape System (tower): breaks off, falls down toward the Atlantic, maybe disintegrating since it's tiny and filled with highly explosive fuel
S-II: falls into the Atlantic
S-IVB fairing: breaks off and floats off into space. This is a series of four break-away panels connecting the Command Module to the S-IVB, revealing the (protected) Lunar Module once they are popped off.
S-IVB: floats away by itself. May be intentionally crashed into the Moon, depending on the mission (to test existing seismometers in place on the Lunar surface)
Lunar Module Descent Stage: left in place at lunar landing site
Lunar Rover (J-missions only): left in place at lunar landing site, near LM
Lunar Module Ascent Stage: abandoned in Lunar orbit, typically crashing somewhere on the Moon sometime later.
Service Module: abandoned in Earth orbit, breaks up and disintegrates during re-entry
Command Module: safely returns astronauts to Earth's oceans and although spent, is structurally intact. Put on display in a museum afterwards.

>>16155487

Which Orion are you referring to? The LM on Apollo 16 was itself named Orion, but of couse that vehicle didn't need a heat shield because its operating environment didn't require one.

Also, the retrieval of the Apollo 16 command module was fraught with injuries and accidents. A bunch of people were potentially exposed to toxic gas, a poor guy had his kneecap(!) crushed when some equipment fell on his leg, and the command module itself got even more banged up.

[Anonymous No.16155516]

>>16155347
Simple, someone fired birdshot at it when it was flying. Easy mistake to make.

[Anonymous No.16155517]

>>16155505
How do people even gain that rep? and why? It's like the world of wikipedia admins.

[Anonymous No.16155518]

Is this /pg/ or /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.16155520]

>>16155511
Apollo 11's ascent stage is still in LLO. Elon should catch it before it destabilizes and bring it down to the lunar surface in a Starship.

[Anonymous No.16155525]

https://twitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1785804265832808878

this seems like its very very bad

[Anonymous No.16155526]

>>16155501
Akchually,Sweaty,starshipwillbetakingdisabledblacktransbianfolxtoluna.Yup,that'sright,AfricanAmericanownedbusinessesbeathistoricallyracistorganizationslikeNASAeverySINGLEtime,youinbredsubhumanfascist!

[Anonymous No.16155529]

>>16155526
Kek

[Anonymous No.16155530]

>>16155525
It's over for Orion..... We arent going.

[Anonymous No.16155531]

>>16155525
Is that fucking exposed wood?

[Anonymous No.16155532]

>>16155525
>the Orion Program made minor modifications to the separation bolt design and added additional thermal protective barrier material in the bolt gaps.
Ruh-roh

[Anonymous No.16155538]

Starliner blows up in just a few days, and now Orion too? Whats going on governmentfundedspaceflightcapsulebros, did we get too cocky?

[Anonymous No.16155539]

>>16155531
cork is excellent for ablation and isn't an unusual material for heatshields.

[Anonymous No.16155542]

>>16155531
What ould you buld it from, genius?

[Anonymous No.16155547]

>>16155542
Tungsten

[Anonymous No.16155549]

>>16155547
Musk should probably call an immediate switch of starship to tungsten body

[Anonymous No.16155550]

>>16155549
Use all Plutonium instead.

[Anonymous No.16155551]

>>16155517
Seeding a lot for a while is how people usually get their start, I think. Having a good reputation for uploads on other, less demanding sites. It's a pretty gay scene to be part of but the results are good and reliable.

[Anonymous No.16155554]

>>16155525
>this could have killed the entire ship
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if this mission came with a 8-in-10 or even 9-in-10 chance of complete loss of crew. This is bad lol

[Anonymous No.16155555]

>>16155550
Now that you mention it, it's the only way to save the program.

[Anonymous No.16155556]

>>16155539
LEO heatshields sure. I want something tougher for lunar/interplanetary.

[Anonymous No.16155557]

Reminder we cant have nice things.

[Anonymous No.16155559]

Boeing claims starliner is lunar-capable with a slightly beefed up heat shield, jsut saying
Might not be bad of Bezos to just buy Shitliner off of the Boeing Space division

[Anonymous No.16155560]

to all anons that called nasa a buncha overcautious spergs who were just mad that orion's ablation didn't match their simulations:
APOLOGIZE

[Anonymous No.16155563]

>>16155560
I kneel honestly. I thought it was a minor issue

[Anonymous No.16155564]

>>16155560
Why did they understate the catastrophe so much? This is like SpaceX level toxic positivity

[Anonymous No.16155565]

>>16155520
So that's how it got back on the moon

[Anonymous No.16155567]

>>16155555
>quint quints
Holy checked, SOMEONE MAKE AN ALL PLUTONIUM STARSHIP THIS INSTANT

[Anonymous No.16155568]

how much higher likelihood do you have of dying on starliner or orion compared to dragon?
the iteration speed and design principles of trying to make it "perfect" on the first try without rapid iteration seems like its just a very shit idea overall
takes longer, costs much more and the end result is shit

[Anonymous No.16155569]

>>16155538
just 5 more billion and 10 years bro

[Anonymous No.16155570]

>>16155568
i would rather pull a mercury capsule out of a museum and ride it to orbit than get in starliner

[Anonymous No.16155571]

>>16155568
Bout tree fiddy.

[Anonymous No.16155572]

>>16155525
This is why we test

[Anonymous No.16155573]

>>16155520

The crash sites of the Eagle and Orion (and Snoopy's legs) are unknown. Not because they don't exist, but rather because they simply weren't tracked. Phil Stooke has done some work on this, regarding the known crash sites. The idea that any of them are still in orbit has been entertained by a few amateurs, but it also strains credulity to its breaking point. The most honest way to put it is that these objects were abandoned in lunar orbit and are presumed to have crashed into the Moon.

Snoopy is an exception. Snoopy is definitely out in space, and that's the one that could, in principle, be retrieved, and even landed back on Earth in a protective capsule for museum display.

[Anonymous No.16155574]

>>16155568
It's amazing how Space Shuttle STS-1 actually worked first try

[Anonymous No.16155575]

>>16155568
I would honest to God say they’re all equal.
Remember when dragon blew the fuck up during testing? It was caused by something they didn’t even know was possible. Could have happened in orbit.
Astronauts could have been on that Artemis I reentry and the crew cabin could have been compromised from a default nobody at NASA knew existed.
SpaceShipTwo shredded itself with people inside.
Who is to say Starliner doesn’t have some (likely a few) potentially-catastrophic oversights. It already went haywire in orbit on its first flight and barely survived to fly again. Boeing says this issue could have been prevented with astronauts on-board, but it’s nonetheless telling of an incompetently designed spacecrafts with DESIGN OVERSIGHTS

[Anonymous No.16155576]

>>16155575
>Remember when dragon blew the fuck up during testing? It was caused by something they didn’t even know was possible. Could have happened in orbit.
that is my point exactly
hardware rich iteration is going to bring up more of these unknown unkowns which makes the system much more safe overall

[Anonymous No.16155577]

>>16155573
I’ve been a proponent of capturing snoopy for a long time. I’d like Starship to be as mature as Falcon though; so maybe in like 5 years.
Although there’s something nice about just leaving her in heliocentric orbit until the end of time

[Anonymous No.16155578]

>>16155575
Dragon should have blown up docked to ISS full of astronauts so that Felon Huskratt could be stopped.

[Anonymous No.16155581]

full IG report

[Anonymous No.16155584]

Bruh.

[Anonymous No.16155591]

>>16155581
lol they accidentally lost the parachutes to the ocean hahahahah

[Anonymous No.16155592]

>>16155581
What an absolute shitshow

[Anonymous No.16155594]

>>16155525
spaceguy5 is out there, still defending NASA. I don't think he's read the report (despite what he said), or is going to.

[Anonymous No.16155595]

tell me this isn't a government operation

>>16155592
They used electronic circuit breakers instead of physical ones and then made a shocked pikachu face when transient radiation spikes tripped the breakers

[Anonymous No.16155598]

Raptor’s icy veins,
Preburner breath chills the core,
Rocket’s fiery end.

[Anonymous No.16155599]

>>16155598
>glowing name tag

[Anonymous No.16155601]

>>16155598
Another haiku that literally means nothing and doesnt follow the order of a story having a beginning, middle and end. Also, whats wrong with the fucking torch??? I love mine.

[Anonymous No.16155603]

>ML-1 elevator doors were blown off during the Artemis I launch, allowing the interior structure to be heavily damaged. Specifically, the elevator car tracks were bent, and the counterweight was dislodged from the track. It took NASA 6 weeks to bring one elevator back online and roughly 4 months to finish repairing the second elevator. According to an Agency official, going into the Artemis I mission it was not known that the elevator “blast doors” were not in fact blast doors but rather fiberglass doors designed to keep wind out.

[Anonymous No.16155606]

>>16155594
He claims it’s “not that bad”, or at least those were his claims a few days ago after saying he has personally seen it himself.
Also lol he posted this gem a few days ago

[Anonymous No.16155607]

>>16155603
The loss of institutional knowledge strikes NASA pretty hard

All those boomers retired without training replacements

[Anonymous No.16155608]

>>16155603
Rocket blast is a kind of wind

[Anonymous No.16155609]

>>16155603
>>16155595
>>16155592
>>16155584
SpaceX would be crucified for this level of incompetence jesus christ

[Anonymous No.16155610]

>>16155601
In the belly of steel, where fire meets ice,
The Raptor dreams of stars, its purpose precise.
Fuel tanks, veins of promise, hold life’s elixir—
Yet within their depths, a chilling, silent mixer.

A Preburner’s Breath, a tempest unkind,
Injected into chambers where destiny’s twined.
Exhaust whispers secrets, dances with cold,
And the Raptor shivers, its tale yet untold.

Ice crystals bloom, delicate and cruel,
Invisible saboteurs, they mock every rule.
They cling to the walls, encase valves and veins,
As if winter’s wrath seeks to break cosmic chains.

The ship’s inlets gasp, choked by frost’s grip,
Their hunger for thrust silenced, their purpose adrift.
The Raptor, defiant, roars in vain plea:
“Release me from this icy, treacherous sea!”

But engineers ponder, their brows etched with doubt,
The paradox of progress—what’s gained, what’s sold out.
IFT4 looms near, yet the ice remains firm—
A haunting reminder, of Musk's concern.

[Anonymous No.16155611]

>>16155607
>>16155603
Gerontocracy is the death bell of an institution.

[Anonymous No.16155613]

>>16155607
that's my first reaction reading about the pad issues. going shuttle-derived didn't mean they knew how to make ground equipment that could handle SRB acoustics because the people who actually designed and built the shuttle's pad are all gone.

[Anonymous No.16155615]

>>16155613
Crazy how they went from landing on the moon to the hype of thinking they had the worlds first reusable rocket which would revolutionize space travel in just a decade. Then a 40 year gap

[Anonymous No.16155617]

cargo cult engineering

[Anonymous No.16155618]

>>16155610
Why are AI using subhumans like this bros?

[Anonymous No.16155620]

[Anonymous No.16155622]

>>16155620
>that piping

Yeah mate she's properly fucked aye cunt

[Anonymous No.16155624]

>>16155607
My loyalty to any institution ends where a DEI department / "training" begins.
They want me to train Sanpoop Patel to take my job? LOL. Here's the manual, saar.

[Anonymous No.16155625]

>>16155578
check out this motherfucker, hoping for deaths just to own Elon

[Anonymous No.16155626]

>>16155624
Ramandeep or Ranjeet or Sanjay or anything except Sanpoop, you stupid racist. Israelis never say these things to us.

[Anonymous No.16155629]

>>16155626
Go back to scamming grannies Sanpoop street shitter. I can smell you through the screen

[Anonymous No.16155630]

>>16155622
Ill show your piping and properly fucked, wheres your mother at eh?

[Anonymous No.16155632]

>>16155629
I am brahmin aryan, you speak of the pariahs in North India, everyone hates them, I probably can perform anything you do twice as good. Racists are never good at their jobs.

[Anonymous No.16155633]

>>16155632
You're all the same, the dalits are just slightly more disgusting.

[Anonymous No.16155634]

>The Artemis I mission experienced numerous imagery issues during launch, limiting the availability of quality launch imagery data. These issues were further exacerbated by NASA’s decision to launch at night. According to Moon to Mars Program Office officials and the Artemis I technical baseline document, daylight launches are highly desired to enhance data collection during key events but are not a requirement. After two unsuccessful daylight launch attempts, NASA determined the program cost and schedule risk associated with waiting for another daytime launch window outweighed the risk of a night launch for Artemis I.

>The Agency verified and validated camera settings prior to launch as required; however, it did not reverify and revalidate that the camera settings were accurately adjusted for the conditions of a night launch due to lack of procedures. According to Agency officials, software issues caused the cameras to not accept the settings that adjusted for the conditions of the launch environment. As a result, the Artemis I launch experienced exposure issues for 32 of 33 cameras, including under-exposure that resulted in images that were too dark.

>...engineers could not see the upper two-thirds of the SLS or the debris shedding events from the forward portion of the integrated vehicle. Since debris identification and sizing could not be performed due to the camera issues and the night launch, NASA was unable to close an unresolved SLS booster throat plug debris risk that the Agency has been tracking for more than 10 years.

[Anonymous No.16155635]

>>16155632
Isn't the caste system collapsing in real time?

[Anonymous No.16155638]

>>16155635
No, it's still in full force over there. When they come to white countries the dirtier street shitter class uses their managerial positions to fuck over the less dirty street shitter classes as revenge.

[Anonymous No.16155639]

>>16155635
The problem with a social collapse like that is that it takes everyone down to the level of the lowest denominator.

[Anonymous No.16155643]

>>16155634
it feels like NASA is trying to built rockets with lostech. Nobody knows how the parts work anymore.

[Anonymous No.16155648]

ISRO will rule the second space age, and you racist americans will never go to space again once that happens.

[Anonymous No.16155649]

>>16155643
i don't want to dunk on them too much because the first time you launch a rocket some stupid shit is bound to happen. but the whole premise behind SLS was that it was going to be so low-risk that stupid shit like this wouldn't happen. when the rocket costs $1 billion to launch and you have to wait years between launches then you really can't afford the stupid shit.

[Anonymous No.16155650]

>>16155648
OK, but when you do you should put big swastikas on all your rockets.

[Anonymous No.16155651]

>>16155649
The entire purpose of Artemis I was to be a test and find these things you mongrel. SpaceX gets a pass for its failures on dedicated test missions but NASA doesnt?? The double standards are really incredible.

[Anonymous No.16155653]

>>16155651
SpaceX gets a pass because their shit costs 1/100th of NASA crap and doesn't take decades to build

[Anonymous No.16155654]

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/

Another "two shots behind the head" suicide by a Boieng whistleblower

[Anonymous No.16155655]

>>16155651
when congress forces nasa to pick a particular rocket design on the premise that it's the ONLY design that can be flying by 2016, and then it doesn't launch until 2022, and then it doesn't launch for a second time until 2025*, and the program runs more than $20b despite no new engine development, yes i hold a double standard. we're not comparing two equivalent rockets.

[Anonymous No.16155657]

>>16155651
SpaceX gets a pass because they build with the intention of failing fast and fixing it fast. Not spend 20 years to get a "perfect design" spending 20 billions only to fuck it up.

[Anonymous No.16155659]

>>16155654
i have information that will lead to the arrest of boeing

[Anonymous No.16155662]

>>16155654
>died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.

>Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.

So what poison was he given?

[Anonymous No.16155670]

>>16155347
10 billion dollups well spent
>>16155618
he just discovered it yesterday, give him time to get bored

[Anonymous No.16155672]

>>16155611
>bell

[Anonymous No.16155673]

>>16155662
There are only two fast deadly infections that I know of: necrotizing fasciitis and that amoeba that eats your brain

[Anonymous No.16155675]

>>16155672
its probably the indian desu

[Anonymous No.16155676]

>>16155648
India won't even be participating in the second space age. SCE-200 and NGLV are still a decade out at best, and they're already obsolete.
You'll be launching "human" spaceflight missions in a pathetic little spacecraft launched on a rocket powered by a 60 year old French engine.

[Anonymous No.16155679]

>>16155676
China's 60 year old Soviet engines vs India's 60 year old French engines. Who wins?

[Anonymous No.16155681]

>>16155496
Thia anon is bullshitting btw
Every third party study has proven that cracked software and games are riddled with spyware

[Anonymous No.16155685]

>>16155595
Oh my fyckinh god
Ml2 delays AGAIN

[Anonymous No.16155686]

>>16155462

[Anonymous No.16155687]

>>16155603
This is 10X worse than any damage Starship caused

[Anonymous No.16155688]

when will Elon make an open source EV? all software/hardware

[Anonymous No.16155690]

>>16155681
>software and games are riddled with spyware
Actually that's DRM games

[Anonymous No.16155691]

like a DIY pet project, some sort of kit car whatever

[Anonymous No.16155694]

>>16155688
great way to hack every tesla and have them all simultaneously crash

[Anonymous No.16155697]

>>16154903
Compartmentalize. My gaming PC is either completely separate from my personal PC or in some cases when it's on Linux it's a separate user.

[Anonymous No.16155698]

>>16155620
EXPENDABLE

LAUNCH

MOUNTS

[Anonymous No.16155700]

>>16155694
no, completely unrelated, without faggoted features. something that can be cobbled together in some post apocalyptic world, some thirdie diy-ing in garage. that kind of thing. not super performance or whatever, just on open platform, hardware and software, with the basic shit

[Anonymous No.16155707]

>>16155679
I'm pretty sure the Chinese are developing all sorts of new engines right now. I don't hear much at all about Indian spaceflight other than the occasional ISRO update. Are they developing any ground up indigenous design motors?

[Anonymous No.16155729]

>>16155654
pure cohencidence

[Anonymous No.16155733]

>>16155729
>cohencidence
ahh, that's a good one.

[Anonymous No.16155735]

>>16155733
you must be new

[Anonymous No.16155736]

>>16155575
>It already went haywire in orbit on its first flight and barely survived to fly again
i missed this, what happened?

[Anonymous No.16155746]

>>16155736
Boeing jeetcode caused it to waste all of its RCS prop. It had to abort ISS intercept and reenter early. Can't remember what he meant about barely survived.

[Anonymous No.16155749]

>>16155736
First, they forgot to set the mission elapsed time clock, so it was relative to when they turned it on 12 hours earlier. Then after it launched, it thought it was already in orbit, so it went into fine adjustment mode with the thrusters, which used up more fuel than it was supposed to.
The second part was how while reviewing it to fix those first problems, they realized that when it came time to de-orbit, it would forget to update the vehicle mass after disconnecting from the service module, which would certainly have resulted in incorrect re-entry burns and loss of vehicle.

[Anonymous No.16155751]

>no frogs in this thread
lets spice things up a little shall we

[Anonymous No.16155756]

In case it wasn't clear, they unironically used the mission elapsed time to determine whether it was in orbit or not.
As long as the clock had run to T+ more than a few minutes, it was determined to already be in orbit. So it used the thrusters in fine adjustment mode when it should have been boosting. That's the dancing thrusters you see in the webm. Also note the people walking around at high speed, so that video is sped up, with over 4 minutes of Silly Walks from the thrusters.

[Anonymous No.16155764]

>>16155707
>SCE-200
They're running radio silent as far as I've been able to tell. The ISRO chairman had a livestreamed Q&A on Instagram back on the 27th and there were hordes of people submitting questions on twitter about the engine. Given that there wasn't anyone cheering about the response afterwards I'm guessing they all got ignored and the project is still having problems.

LREs in India are just doomed to have a bad time. They're eager to license foreign designs, and that's quick and cost effective when the US State Department doesn't get involved, but I think it's really handicapped India over the long term. Their ballistic missile programs jumped right to solid fuel so they never designed an indigenous equivalent to the R7 or Titan II or Scud. They've got a lot of experience but it's almost all in solid fuel. You can't even look to India's independent spaceflight groups to save the country like you can in China or America. Skyroot Aerospace's Vikram is a pile of solid stages and AgniKul Cosmos' Agnibaan has tiny LREs that will scale up about as easily as the ones on Electron.

[Anonymous No.16155768]

>>16155751
>no frogs in this thread
C'est faux, je suis là depuis longtemps

[Anonymous No.16155776]

>>16155180
they have square ones now

[Anonymous No.16155779]

I was rewatching SG-1 and I came across an episode where Daniel gets alien knowledge and builds a privately controlled LEO satellite megaconstellation. This is depicted as prima facie evil with most of the usual Stargate trappings of such except glowing eyes. Maybe this is why people seethe about Elon so much?

[Anonymous No.16155791]

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-selects-commercial-service-studies-to-enable-mars-robotic-science

>Next-generation relay services

>Space Exploration Technologies Corporation (SpaceX), Hawthorne, California — adapt Earth-orbit communication satellites for Mars

Marslink

[Anonymous No.16155796]

>>16155791
Finally. Been waiting 6 years for this

[Anonymous No.16155797]

>>16155791
NASA's had a boner for a commsat in Mars orbit for literally decades, and Congress shuts them down each time

I wonder how SpaceX is going to build a relay in orbit that talks interplanetary

[Anonymous No.16155802]

>>16155797
>>16155796
not so fast

>The 12-week studies are planned to conclude in August, and a study summary will be released later in the year. These studies could potentially lead to future requests for proposals but do not constitute a NASA commitment.

[Anonymous No.16155806]

>>16155802
Spacex Won

[Anonymous No.16155810]

would you give elon a rimjob if you got the chance? there is no benefit to doing this. respond im trying to test something

[Anonymous No.16155814]

>>16155751
thanks, frog god.

[Anonymous No.16155815]

>>16155810
i would enjoy it, which means there would be a benefit, therefore in your scenario i wouldn't do it

[Anonymous No.16155817]

>>16155814
>a shooting star
i wish for peace among fairy, wojak and frog kind.

[Anonymous No.16155819]

>>16155810
Butts are gross.

[Anonymous No.16155820]

>>16155810
>>16155815

[Anonymous No.16155822]

[Anonymous No.16155828]

>>16155817
>>16155814
Me too man

[Anonymous No.16155834]

>>16155797
lasers

[Anonymous No.16155868]

>>16155698
Did NASA steal SpaceX's idea?

[Anonymous No.16155898]

>>16155751
stupid frogposter

[Anonymous No.16155933]

>>16155898
Forgot fairy award

[Anonymous No.16155936]

>>16154480
this, or there could be a civilization just like our own 100 light years away and I doubt if we would have detected them

[Anonymous No.16155942]

>>16155936
If Emperor Cletus von Niggerkiller of the Neoamerican Empire decided to nuke all of Africa in five minutes it would only briefly be visible from Alpha Centauri.

[Anonymous No.16155946]

>>16155936
yeah, if some aliens 4.5 billion light years away look at us with some gigantic telescope, they'd fucking see the moon forming. and 4.5 billion years away is nothing in the grand scale of things. we have no idea what *now* exists out there. same as any other existing alien race.

[Anonymous No.16155958]

>>16154675
>Communism has unironically never been done. Russia was just a jewish takeover, if you know the history then it's funny how until Stalin it was basically just the mass-murder of peasants and the jews just larped as communists but were really just the new aristocracy.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.16155959]

>>16155946
Time is a dick.

[Anonymous No.16155970]

>Astronauts are more terrified of a conversation with a NASA PR rep than of burning up in the atmosphere. Which they do not fear at all.
is this true /sfg/?

[Anonymous No.16155974]

>>16155970
It is for spacecraft other than shuttles and Orion.

[Anonymous No.16155978]

>>16155958
>until stalin
are you serious?

[Anonymous No.16155980]

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2024/04/26/acs3-refining-sail-deployment/

[Anonymous No.16155984]

>>16154972
Texas = F-150s

[Anonymous No.16155987]

>>16155980
They're doomed

[Anonymous No.16155988]

>>16155970
NASA's public affairs office is legendarily incompetent, according to the guy who runs NASA Watch

[Anonymous No.16155989]

>>16155970
I'd rather burn to death than walk on knives around some Bureaucrat cunt.

[Anonymous No.16155990]

>>16154382
>It is though.
Nope. It's pure made up pseud shit, and I'll explain why. The "Fermi Paradox" is the SUPPOSED contradiction between ASSUMPTIONS about certain values in the Drake Equation and what is observed.
1. Many of the values of the Drake Equation are not known. Since these values are not known, no apparent paradox is possible.
2. Actually learning what these values are would require us to discover hundreds if not thousands of planets with life, including numerous other technologically advanced civilizations. This is because knowing, for example, the percentage of planets that develop life, would require you to have found many planets with life across diverse regions of space so you can determine an accurate average, and if this was done, there'd obviously be no "Fermi Paradox" to discuss.
3. Detecting life is very difficult. Widely used broadband radio signals dissipate quickly into noise in outer space, and "wild" biospheres without sapient, technological beings may as well be invisible.
4. There is just outright evidence of intelligent aliens. It's not the best, but it exists.

[Anonymous No.16155991]

Soilar sails

[Anonymous No.16156001]

>>16154480
>>16155936
>>16155946
>>16155990
you're missing the point though. If our civilization in it's current state existed 1 million years in the past, the amount of development in the 1 million years until now would probably be so extreme that it would visible and obvious throughout whatever galaxy it inhabited, no matter where you were.

[Anonymous No.16156002]

>>16156001
...in that galaxy.

[Anonymous No.16156005]

roadtrip time fellas?

[Anonymous No.16156008]

>>16156001
it would be be for more than 1 million light years bubble around them kek.

[Anonymous No.16156010]

>>16156001
it wouldn't be for more than 1 million light years bubble around them kek.

[Anonymous No.16156011]

has anyone posted this yet?
marslink is real
and mueller >>16156005 got a bone to study a mars tug too

[Anonymous No.16156013]

UNNNNGGGGHHHH NEW GOON MATERIAL MARSLINK HNNGGHHH

[Anonymous No.16156016]

>>16156010
see >>16156002
the milky way occupies a fraction of that bubble. The point stands that we should see ayys but they aren't there.

[Anonymous No.16156019]

>>16156001
>If our civilization in it's current state existed 1 million years in the past, the amount of development in the 1 million years until now would probably be so extreme that it would visible and obvious throughout whatever galaxy it inhabited
Why? Even a really populated science fiction setting like Star Wars is mostly unpopulated stars that nobody lives around.

[Anonymous No.16156027]

>>16155574
the balls on these guys

[Anonymous No.16156028]

>>16156016
you don't seem to understand anon.
look at this photo >>16155946 then look at this post's picrel, the red line is 4000 million light years. 1 million light years is the 4000th part of that red line, that's as far as your species's might is visible for in the whole universe. now zoom out again and understand that even with 1 million years of technological might, basically nobody would know anyway.

[Anonymous No.16156030]

>>16156028 me
red line is more like 3 billion light years but the point still stands

[Anonymous No.16156031]

>>16156013
based and goonpilled

[Anonymous No.16156035]

>>16154932
article gift link (so you can see it whole)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/05/01/starlink-broadband-internet-bead-grants/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzE0NTM2MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzE1OTE4Mzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MTQ1MzYwMDAsImp0aSI6ImE0OGE4NWExLTVmZTItNGZmYS1iMTIwLWI4MWJjOTlmMzk3MyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS90ZWNobm9sb2d5LzIwMjQvMDUvMDEvc3RhcmxpbmstYnJvYWRiYW5kLWludGVybmV0LWJlYWQtZ3JhbnRzLyJ9.NOS578V2hS8ke8lTAkSOdKqZSbTqeIThTsaIgCXZx_Y

[Anonymous No.16156045]

>>16156019
star wars is tarded. How long has modern civilization existed? How long did it take to get to flight? to spacecraft? how long until we get to mars? where will we be in 50 years, 100 years 1000 years? the pace of development is such that you would expect a type 3 civilization at least after 1 million years.
>>16156028
alright, and how many solar system analogues with earthlike planets have EVER existed in that space? and at what density? The amount of earthlike analogues that have ever existed in the milky way alone is likely astronomical. If life tends to use the resources around it and expand, we would expect to see ayys all around us, after all, the galaxy has been around for a few billion years: that's plenty of time.

[Anonymous No.16156051]

>>16156028
if you have a 4k monitor, and you zoom into this picture such that red line stretches from the left to the right side of your display, 1 million years is a fucking pixel wide. it's scary small

[Anonymous No.16156054]

>>16154950
No.

[Anonymous No.16156058]

>>16155958
muh 20 million

[Anonymous No.16156061]

>>16155978
he took the steering wheel from the jewish cabal and they ended up the "poor picked on religious minority" we all cried about in Hollywood movies of the 80s, and then welfare recipient refugees to the US in the 90s (see Vindman and like)

[Anonymous No.16156066]

>>16156001
funny, like the saying goes you're making such a huge assumption you are actually making an ass of yourself

[Anonymous No.16156070]

>>16156058
be a jew, make the last few hate you who don't at this point, i don't care

[Anonymous No.16156072]

>>16155958
>>16156061
Anon...
>holodomor 1932-1933
>stalin's reign 1924-1953
You are a moron

[Anonymous No.16156073]

>no one mentioned this
DSN is failing miserably

[Anonymous No.16156078]

any truth to the soviets actually committing the holocaust? all the death camps are in the areas the soviets controlled only

[Anonymous No.16156090]

>>16156066
here is my logic
1.milky way contains hundreds of billions of star systems that are constantly changing
1.milky way is billions of years old
2.milky way does not occupy billions of light years of space
3.at multiple points (>trillions of times) in the aforementioned billions of years, there were identical conditions to early earth somewhere in the milky way
4.on some proportion of those worlds, life emerges
5.on some proportion of those worlds, life develops spaceflight and gradually expands across the galaxy. this takes maybe 10 million light years? It doesn't really matter, definitely not billions.

That's it. Please point out where I have gone wrong. Otherwise you must admit that Fermi had a point.

[Anonymous No.16156095]

>>16156090
*10 million years.

[Anonymous No.16156098]

>he actually thinks theres less than two weeks left

[Anonymous No.16156100]

>>16156027
more like blind optimism

[Anonymous No.16156136]

>>16156073
>The entirety of all communications humanity has with deep space passes through a single server rack
The dream of shitposting on Mars is dead

[Anonymous No.16156143]

>>16156013
Based gooner

[Anonymous No.16156144]

>>16156090
you need to expand (constantly) at 1% speed of light, which you know...is kind of a strange thought. maybe travel at that speed sure, but not expanding your species at that speed

[Anonymous No.16156147]

>>16156073
>DSN is run by a 42U server cabinet that could probably be replaced with a 2U threadripper rack unit
Why does NASA fear technology?

[Anonymous No.16156151]

So china just landed on the moon for the first time on the BACK side?you didnt think to beat them?

[Anonymous No.16156169]

>>16155406
My money is on sloppy manufacturing, leading to air pockets inside.

[Anonymous No.16156172]

>>16156147
change bad

[Anonymous No.16156175]

>>16156147
read the pdf
lack of funding
they can't turn the machines off since they are in use 24/7 now

[Anonymous No.16156196]

>>16156175
>NASA can't afford a $50k server that'll last them the next two decades
Grim....

[Anonymous No.16156197]

>>16156005
why is the flag half mast?

[Anonymous No.16156205]

>>16156196
It's worse than that, because the existing hardware probably costs significantly more to operate due to drawing more power. So they're locked in to higher total costs due to not being able to pay $50K up front.

[Anonymous No.16156211]

>>16156001
the degrowther agenda will win and we will exist as a 1 planet civilization with a managed population size in a million years, harder to detect than we are now.

[Anonymous No.16156222]

>>16155958
>>16156072
>>16155978
>>16156058
Like I said. If you know the history...
Yeah Jews ended up in the ruling clique of the Soviet Union and basically running the secret police, but the kind of shit they did was mot out of the ordinary, apart from targeting religious figures (which they reversed in WW2 and never reimposed).
Russia was on track to a famine due to simple malthusian pressures, and Ukraine was a hotbed of guerilla war and anti Moscow terrorism since they had had a taste of independence in 1917-19. Russia decides to target the the famine in Ukraine to punish them, though it also hit the Russian volga quite badly too. The death toll is big, as the feath tolls of famines are, but it's not some muh evil gommunism thing. Tsarist Russia would have done the same thing guaranteed. Tsarist Russia had a secret police terror apparatus and would always issue sentences without trial. The Bolsheviks at least put on fake trials.
People even today revere Stalin, because the myth of the 'Good Tsar' was alive during his time. The idea was that he loved his people and that anything bad was done bv his corrupted underlings without his knowledge. The Tsars overall were provably more apathetic to their peoples suffering than Stalin. In 1905 a church congregation beehives they could go to the Tsars Palace and ask him to fix their miserable lives, and they were shot on the street

[Anonymous No.16156225]

>>16156211
>the degrowther agenda will win and we will exist as a 1 planet civilization with a managed population size in a million years
We wouldn't exist at all because agricultural collective farms ruled by nomenklatura can't deal with asteroid impacts, ice ages or large igneous provinces. The Magian option equals extinction

[Anonymous No.16156229]

>>16156225
not expanding is knowingly committing suicide

[Anonymous No.16156235]

>>16154382
Fermi Paradox is easily solved by assuming that interstellar travel is just not economically feasible and no intelligent species would commit to pump the required resources into carving a noticable "I was here" into trillions of planets.

Superluminal speeds are impossible and Von Neumann probes sound so fucking simple but they are actually ludicrously complicated and would probably break down within a few itterations. And again, why would a society build them in the first place. We aren't.

Fermi paradox can be explained by fucking looking around you instead of making wild assumptions.

[Anonymous No.16156238]

>>16156235
>We aren't.
yet. that's the fastest way we could colonize our galaxy, billions of probes sent in strategic solar systems at 10% speed of light or something like that. we are not going out there as meat. packed in probes we can take over the whole galaxy in 1 million years which is nothing.

[Anonymous No.16156259]

>>16156235
>why would a society build them in the first place
to gain enormous amounts of productive capacity from a very small input
>We aren't
not yet because we don't know exactly how but its an active line of research

[Anonymous No.16156266]

and in 4.5 billion years we can seed Andromeda as well, for cheap, and fast.

[Anonymous No.16156270]

>>16156266
we need to stop cosmological expansion so resources don't disappear over the horizon

[Anonymous No.16156274]

>>16156270
How do people supposedly know that the CMB is caused by the big bang? Seems sketch to me. Could easily be things far far away getting redshited to microwaves.

[Anonymous No.16156278]

>>16156266
Tre is a chance we have to exit the galaxy if the andromeda collision causes the supermassive black holes to become too active

[Anonymous No.16156285]

>>16156278
Just build enough Shkadov thrusters so the merger goes smoothly

[Anonymous No.16156286]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/take-two-interactive-shuts-down-two-game-studios

kek ksp2 is kill

[Anonymous No.16156292]

>>16156285
is that the angle they'll collide at? will look awesome on clear skies

[Anonymous No.16156301]

>page 9
it's time

[Anonymous No.16156304]

>>16156301
your aircraft has a boner dude

[Anonymous No.16156305]

>>16156286
https://archive.is/DQV0j
>The other is Seattle-based Intercept Games, maker of the space flight simulation game Kerbal Space Program 2, according to a notice filed with the Washington State Employment Security Department Monday. The notice revealed that Take-Two plans to close an office in Seattle and cut 70 jobs, or roughly the number of people who worked for Intercept Games.
so not even a skeleton crew
perhaps they sell the IP forward, but what I saw of it, it seemed like a fucking mess

[Anonymous No.16156307]

>>16156305
yeah but they're not the same team who made KSP 1. game will get passed to some other team of theirs. hopefully they manage to fix it

[Anonymous No.16156308]

>>16156035
archived here https://archive.is/3Fz3M

[Anonymous No.16156328]

ukraine trying to force satellite companies to stop providing imagery of the country

[Anonymous No.16156330]

>>16156328
they should just institute some sort of tax or something, so that whenever anyone buys satellite photos of Ukraine some of the money goes back to Ukraine

[Anonymous No.16156333]

>>16156301
STANDBY, HOUSTON

[Anonymous No.16156334]

>>16156330
>100 dollar kickback in tax
>the photo leads to a million dollars in asset loss when russia gets it
no refunds

[Anonymous No.16156335]

>>16156330
*chortles in chinese*

[Anonymous No.16156336]

>>16156196
Doubt it's about money, it's more a "what if we can't connect after swap" situation. Same reason they're running old shit computers that are about to fall apart.

[Anonymous No.16156337]

>>16156328
Gee, I wonder why someone might want to do that.

[Anonymous No.16156349]

>>16156336
My mass autism used to get awoke by the big heavy flight computers on shuttle and how they didnt make them smaller to save weight as computer technology advanced. Yet the got rid of the structural paint!

[Anonymous No.16156362]

>>16155810
I dont think the trannies like Musk that much. You might find some on reddit

[Anonymous No.16156376]

>>16156305
>>16156307
Did they fire the idiot in charge of KSP 2 or is he still clinging on?

[Anonymous No.16156392]

>>16156301
My beloved

[Anonymous No.16156395]

https://interestingengineering.com/space/spacex-starship-solar-clean-energy-virtus-solis?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=article_post

Death rays with Starship

[Anonymous No.16156398]

>>16156308
Thanks

[Anonymous No.16156403]

>>16156376
probably promoted

[Anonymous No.16156413]

>>16156349
You reckon you can run avionics on a Raspi or something?

[Anonymous No.16156422]

Staging

>>16156420
>>16156420
>>16156420
>>16156420
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[Anonymous No.16156431]

>>16155347
The Apollo STC they had seems to be incomplete please understand

[Anonymous No.16156533]

>>16156222
>Russia was on track to a famine due to simple malthusian pressures
this was demonstrably untrue. it absolutely WAS an evil gommunism thing, and specifically a farm collectivization thing - a stalin-was-a-more-doctrinaire-communist-than-lenin thing. agricultural production in russia was rising faster than population under the tsars, but stalin decided that the kulaks were doing too well by the late 1920s and that this was a threat to communism. his reforms crashed agricultural production to well below 1913 levels during holodomor, and this was at least somewhat intentional - he was happy that farmers who had resisted socialism were being wiped out.

[Anonymous No.16156879]

>>16156045
There's no reason to expect civilizations to grow indefinitely. It's more likely they stagnate.

[Anonymous No.16156885]

>>16156879
Human form is tied to Earth, it's not making it anywhere else. Maybe on some solar bodies in some bases but that's it. We're adapted for this environment, not the various conditions in the universe.

[Anonymous No.16156888]

>>16156885
we just shape our environment to house us, are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.16156893]

>>16156888
That's just silly lol. We risk wiping until we terraform some other planet. And even if we would terraform some other planet, that's about it. What, 2 other planets? Tops? Still nothing in the grand scheme of things, get real. Our solar system can get sterilized at any point. Insisting on human form is just silly and primitive.

[Anonymous No.16156894]

>>16156893
you're either an earthnoid or a transhumanist, either way you deserve death

[Anonymous No.16156896]

>>16156894
Oh so you bsod out like that when you're out of arguments?