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Recently read Gabor Maté's 'Myth of normal' which is about how we are influenced by traumata and the like, which we can attain for ourselves, or by inheriting them from other people. If your parents have some mental disorder or phobia, this can also affect you as a child and for your life to come. And if I think about some other sci texts I've read about 'free choice', 'free will' and the emprical and biological view of this, I start to get the impression that humans can't control their behaviour. They are controlled by the subconcious mind, their traumata and experiences, how their family and friends influenced them.
But what if we are just really monkeys in suits, without control over what we do? That premise would mean noone is *really* fault for doing bad things, because they didn't chose to do it by theirself. Assholes would have no control over being assholes. And so on.
What are your thoughts?

>> No.16117966

>>16117489
*Lifts tea to mouth*
Maybe we are helpless
Will you find Joy?

>> No.16117979

Much like many things in both science & philosophy I believe there is dualism & a needed synthesis between "freewill" & "no freewill".

If events can only happen once, which appears to be the case. You could say in the present moment you "choose" your own actions. (I'm excluding any outside social influences)


But since events only happen "once". There was only one way that the event would have unfolded & thus from that point we have no freewill.

So we can see based on different reference frames, that it is an entirely relative concept.

>> No.16117987

Some arguments for free will:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8EkwRgG4OE

>> No.16117993

>>16117489
>What are your thoughts?
Idk bro aren't my thoughts predetermined? Do my thoughts meaningfully exist? Do I exist?

The experience and discussion of free/rational behavior, my existence, my control of my body, etc. all seem far more obvious and even compelling than this conjecture, even if it were not self-undercutting.

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>>16117489
it is impossible to prove or disprove free will, but i still believe it does NOT exist. i fail to see how it would be possible to have been able to do otherwise.

>> No.16118538

What's the difference between choosing an action "freely" and arriving at a decision "unfreely"?

>> No.16118543

>>16117489
>prediction that can't be tested
Worthless to waste time considering.

>> No.16118596

>>16117489
You have free will, now use it!
>uses it to believe he has no free will and remains indignant
:|
>white ppl face

>> No.16118657

>>16118538
see post immediately above yours.

>> No.16118753

Doesnt matter if free will exists or not.
We humans, our interrelations operate as if we have free will. Thats why society punishes our "bad" actions and decisions. CEOs getting fired for not creating huge profits, you name it.
I think debating free will is the most semantic thing ever, which personally, im not into.

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>> No.16118940

>>16118753
>who cares it doesn't matter!!
>f-free will actually probably does exist though hehe...
classic bad faith pseud take