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16109845 No.16109845 [Reply] [Original]

I think everything matters.

>> No.16109852

>>16109845
if everything matters then nothing matters

>> No.16109867

>>16109852
>If nothing matters then everything matt-
>Wait no no no you can't do that

>> No.16110032
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>>16109852
How so?

>> No.16110035

>>16110032
Conservation of matter

>> No.16110140

>>16110035
I don't understand, could you please explain?

>> No.16110171

>>16109845
When you're truly ready, you'll get into Integral Theory.

>> No.16110173

>>16109845
sure but some things matter more than others

>> No.16110177

>>16110140
The matter field is conservative over the whole universe, so its integral around a closed boundary is 0. Since the universe bounds everything, integral theory applies in this case and we can conclude that nothing matters in the end.
This need not mean that nothing matters at every instant, just that anything that matters right now will eventually be cancelled out by something else down the line.

>> No.16110550

>>16110177
While it's true that the matter field is conservative over the whole universe, and certain physical principles like the conservation of energy and mass hold true within the context of physics, it's important to recognize that matters of significance, purpose, and meaning extend beyond the scope of scientific laws.

The assertion that "nothing matters in the end" is a philosophical perspective rather than a scientific conclusion. Questions about the meaning of life, purpose, and significance are deeply personal and often transcend scientific inquiry. While science can provide insights into the physical nature of the universe, it doesn't address existential questions about human experience and values.

Many philosophical and religious traditions offer diverse perspectives on the nature of meaning and purpose, emphasizing concepts such as love, compassion, connection, and personal fulfillment. For many people, the significance of their lives derives from relationships, contributions to society, personal growth, and the pursuit of happiness and fulfillment.

Ultimately, whether or not "nothing matters in the end" is a matter of individual interpretation and belief. While science provides valuable insights into the workings of the universe, it's essential to acknowledge the richness and complexity of human experience, which often transcends the boundaries of scientific inquiry.

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>>16110171
Could I get a qrd?

>> No.16110660

1

>> No.16110798

>>16109845
the only thing that matters is power. everything else is fill in

>> No.16110858

>>16109845
Saying "everything matters" is a blatant denial of racial injustice.

>> No.16110906

1

>> No.16111008

>>16110798
What is power for?
>>16110858
How so?

>> No.16111035

>>16111008
>What is power for?
that clearly depends on perspective. but usually to do/get whatever you want?

>> No.16111088

>>16111035
So is what you want more important than the personal power to obtain it? If it was gifted to you would that not also be acceptable?

>> No.16111248

>>16110551
quickest run-down you will find that makes any sense
>read time: 20 minutes
https://integrallife.com/what-is-integral-approach/

>> No.16111251

>>16111248 here.
Forgot to add:

>>16109845
OP, you're a smart guy. I suggest you check it out.

>> No.16111256

>>16111248
Awesome, thanks!

>> No.16111259

>>16111251
:D

>> No.16111345

"Omniaism" seems to be derived from the Latin word "omnia," meaning "all" or "everything." As a standalone word, it could suggest a belief system or philosophy that encompasses or acknowledges the interconnectedness of all things, or the idea that everything is part of a unified whole.

Without more context, it's difficult to determine precisely what "omniaism" might entail, as it could be interpreted in various ways depending on the specific beliefs or principles associated with it. Overall, it seems to evoke themes of unity, inclusivity, and interconnectedness.

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>>16109845
And NDErs say that that is true too. Every moment will be remembered forever, and is filled with potential for personal growth. And NDEs are unironically irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

So any atheist would be too, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

>"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

If NDEs were hallucinations somehow then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would maintain that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.

Even nihilists come back realizing that there is meaning to it all.

>> No.16111500

>>16111248
They want money D: I don't have money
I'm going to learn more about that later, maybe join when I get a credit card

>> No.16111502

>>16111248
I'm a slow reader... And I was distracted. There was very little I didn't fully understand but I was still a little confused.

>> No.16111510

>>16111502
Well, do you want to talk about it? I can clear up any questions you have. I've been studying it for about 7 years now.

>> No.16111513

>>16109845
can it have an ultimate end of bringing all religions together? some of them are quite rigid. and apart from that it's kind of what every reasonable human would do, like respect other's beliefs.

>> No.16111517

>>16111375
My friend has overdosed and nearly died like thirty times and he says it was like falling asleep without any dreams every time.

>> No.16111523
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>>16111510
Not right now. I was a little confused by quadrants. But I was kind of low blood sugar and eating pizza and listening to music while reading.

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>>16111510
I don't even know how to articulate my questions...

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>>16111510
I'm going to read it again tomorrow.

>> No.16111547

>>16111526
OK then! Good luck.

If you are interested in reading my view, I would like to present it. Whether you read it or not, it's always good to get my thoughts on a page.

The principal object Integral Theory deals with at this level of abstraction is the holon. A holon is a part which is simultaneously a whole. An atom is part of a whole molecule; a molecule is part of a whole cell; a cell is part of a whole organism.

By using the two polarities interior-exterior and individual-collective, the holon is able to interface with its subholons and superholons.

The number of holons that are contained within a holon (as far as research has shown so far, or as far as we are willing to thing) is called its "depth". The number of holons at a given level we call its "span".

Holons with more span have less depth, and vice-versa: There are more atoms than molecules; more molecules than cells; more cells than organisms.

When we take the polarities interior-exterior and individual-collective, we can view them crossed with each other: The interior of the individual is the "I", or Intentional, perspective-dimension; the exterior of the individual is the "It", or Behavioral; the interior of the collective is the "We", or Cultural; and the exterior of the collective is the "Its", or Social perspective-dimension. These are called the Four Quadrants, and they tetra-arise at every given moment - always co-present now and now and now.

The example of atoms-molecules-cells-organisms is a holarchy in the It quadrant, the realm of observable, empirical, scientific truth. Another example, from the We quadrant, is the levels of human cultural development from Archaic to Magic to Mythic to Rational to Pluralistic to Integral.

>> No.16111579

>>16111547
*as far as we are willing to think

>> No.16111624

>>16111547
Thank you for trying to teach me. I hate paying to learn.

>> No.16112191

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>> No.16112291

>>16109845
Water has a memory, vibration of your body is therefore influenced by vibration of your surrounding, and of course it matters.

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>> No.16113604

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>> No.16113645

>>16110550
It is sad that you didn't understood anything he said and decided to defer a response to ChatGPT instead

>> No.16114359

>>16113645
Could you please explain what he said?

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>> No.16115802

>>16115800
answer this >>16111513

>> No.16117795

It's too close to "onanism".