"AI is a Serious Danger to Math" –Japanese Mathematician

[Anonymous No.16103219]

>The legendary Japanese mathematician Shinichi Mochizuki expressed his fear of the use of AI in research mathematics, >stating that because LLMs can do nothing more than produce sentences via "mechanically searched contextual concatenations devoid of any human understanding",
>its rise in use could significantly slow down mathematical research.

so basically what he is saying is that random nonsense hallucinated by ChatGPT makes about as much sense as any other text, even to the reviewers who are supposed to be experts on the field.

This is ultimate proof that eveything beyond calculus is is nothing but a jewish brainfart. Advanced math is the most useless horse shit in existence.
its all nonsense. even infinitesimal calculus is bullshit and completely detached from reality. infinity doesnt exist. these math faggots get paid to shitpost.
>but mUh hEcKiNg pErFeCtOid SpacEs doe!!1101!!
the assertion that we need all this hyper abstract nonsense for tech is a jewish lie. the romans and egyptians built empires with 7th grade math. real math is just a tool, modern math is a circle jerk. same goes for modern physics.
>lOoOoK aT mE iM aBsTrAcTiNg!!!!
>iM tHe SmArtEst aUtIsT iN Da rOoMMM!!!
what a pathetic waste of tax money.
Math is the fakest and gayest shit in academia and on the same level as physics and gender studies.
i hope AI kills it.
let it die a death

[Anonymous No.16103220]

>>16103219
An AI would be able to call your bullshit old man

[Anonymous No.16103225]

>>16103219
Math is really good if you're gay though

[Anonymous No.16103238]

>>16103219
coding takes 0 skill unlike math

[Anonymous No.16103251]

>>16103219
I think you should have an AI parse these quotes for you. You clearly do not understand the material.

[Anonymous No.16103267]

>>16103219
Another mad CS undergrad

[Cult of Passion No.16103278]

>>16103219
POST YOUR PHD THESIS... NOW

[Anonymous No.16103283]

>>16103278
I went to university to get a real job, not to participate in the fake and gay trade that is science.

[Anonymous No.16103298]

>>16103278
>t. doesn't know what shape a pyramid is

[Anonymous No.16103301]

WE WILL FORMALIZE YOU!

[Anonymous No.16103303]

>>16103278
you first

[Anonymous No.16103384]

>>16103219
LLMs are not all of AI. And LLMs are indeed just an overgrown autocomplete, incapable of actual reasoning. The reason LLMs give the illusion of being adjacent to general intelligence, is because they're trained on text covering a broad set of topics. They are a reflection of our general intelligence. LLMs may not be AGI, but they can be good enough for some tasks.

[Anonymous No.16103394]

>>16103219
Why did you crosspost this from the /g/ subreddit?

[Anonymous No.16103396]

>>16103384
what about LLMs + some other shit that we don't yet know about? it's not that one trick, it's more working together.

[Anonymous No.16103413]

>>16103238
>>16103267
I NEED TO MEET YOU ARROGANT MATHEMATICIANS IN THE OCTAGON

STP BULLYING MY CS DEGREE FAGGOTS STOP LAUGHING AT ME WHEN I WALK PAST YOU IN THE HALL FAG MATH STUDENTs

[Anonymous No.16103676]

>>16103219
I don't care
accelerate

[Anonymous No.16103867]

>>16103219
gay fucking faggot CS RETARD

[Anonymous No.16104498]

>>16103278
based

[Anonymous No.16104505]

>>16103394
to get the word out. its essential. 21st century Math and physics deserve a final solution.

[Cult of Passion No.16104511]

>>16104505
Deal with the Past, the new problems will come from VASTLY different Dimensions few will see at first.

All neat history, battle of "the gods (peoples, ideas, everything)".

Be thankful...for I am a Kind god.
[Xerxes creeepout but also clearly superior in many ways so your tail covers your penis.]

[Anonymous No.16104552]

>>16103238

[Anonymous No.16104555]

>>16103219
The only danger is woke crap. That is what enables scammers use trash like ChatGPT to game this corrupt system.

[Anonymous No.16104570]

just merge this board with /pol/. It's already undistinguishable

[Anonymous No.16105016]

>>16103238
Solving a giant sudoku or a giant 1 billon pieces puzzle would be hard, probably even harder than some math problems and equally worthless.
Pure math is a scam that rests on a broken promise.
We tell kids that pure math research is awesome, cool and high status and thats how research works, we never know what application to those pure math results we will find in the future.
Thats not how math was invented, not how it evolved. Every piece of interesting math was motivated by applications and the study of objects in the real world, not by pure research.
Every pure mathematician we fund is just picking a high iq retard and pushing him to solve giant puzzles with. We are probably losing some of our brightest minds to pure inane dribble.
We need more applied mathematicians.

[Anonymous No.16105020]

>>16103219
It seems like you could solve the chatgpt in papers problem by making it a rule that you, your associates, and your lab will be permanently blackballed from that journal for life if you get caught using a LLM.

[Anonymous No.16105026]

>>16103219
>what a pathetic waste of tax money.
>Math is the fakest and gayest shit in academia and on the same level as physics and gender studies.
>i hope AI kills it.
>let it die a death
how about hope it becomes useful?
if the romans and egyptians could build empires with 7th grade math, imagine what we could do with more advanced math, using it as a tool rather than circlejerking.
do you really blame the current shitshow we're in on the failure of advanced math? it's WARLORDS, dumbfucks. until/if the world improves, you can't make fair judgments on what is/isn't useful, because everything is fucked right now.
how about we preserve things instead of shaving things off until we're bugs, then having a civil war so that the machine goes unpunished?

[Anonymous No.16105028]

>>16103219
The initial research in this guys field was done by an unironic nazi and he is nothing more than an artificial intelligence shitting out gibberish.

[Anonymous No.16105035]

>>16105026
>until/if the world improves, you can't make fair judgments on what is/isn't useful, because everything is fucked right now.
until/if the world improves, you can't make fair judgments on what is/isn't useful, because we're not able to use ANY tools for truly important things*

[Anonymous No.16105059]

>>16105028
>https://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/shinichi0329/diary/202401020000/
>"Western deification, electioneering, and surpression of reason based on Christianity and Judaism"
Seems like Mochizuki has some interesting opinions on jews too. What is it with that field?

[Anonymous No.16105108]

>>16103219
This is an understatement lol, try asking it basic fucking combinatorics questions and see how many unique incorrect answers it will confidently give you from a single prompt.

And it seems like it's already soft-locked in terms of mathematics; every textbook available is *already present* in the training data. It's just sub-infant level semantic understanding. I would go so far as to say that the texts would need to be rewritten specifically for AI to start fixing this problem.

[Anonymous No.16105110]

>>16105035
>until/if the world improves
>waste money forever on solving puzzles
I guarantee you the vast majority of math "research" will never ever contribute anything meaningful to society.
theyre just exploiting the fake and gay academia system, getting paid to do busy work and act as if theyre doing something important.

[Anonymous No.16105119]

>>16103219
Watson could spit out random treatments suggestions for medical conditions and IBM gave this service away for free. Turns out it wasted too much time and money for humans to weed through all the bs to find the one or two actually promising ideas.
Nothing has changed. BS is bs even when it sounds authoritative.

[Anonymous No.16105128]

>>16105110
>theyre just exploiting the fake and gay academia system, getting paid to do busy work and act as if theyre doing something important.
i agree. i don't think that's advanced math, and i think it would be premature to throw out advanced math because some goombas are playing rhetorical and power games which have nothing to do with math.

[Anonymous No.16105160]

https://www.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~motizuki/Report%20on%20a%20certain%20series%20of%20preprints%20(2024-03).pdf

[Anonymous No.16105175]

>>16105160
Probably the most based paper to release this year.

[Anonymous No.16105176]

>>16105175
tl:dr?

[Anonymous No.16105191]

>>16105160
>Mathematicians should not make public claims of potential new theorems or the resolution of particular mathematical problems unless they are able to provide full details in a timely manner.
>t. Mochizuki

[Anonymous No.16105209]

>>16105176
Mochizuki schools another number theorist (Joshi), claiming his preprints are as sensible as ChatGPT hallucinations and also implying that Joshi made an 9/11 joke as the most important theorems have the number 9.11.x.
Peter Woit and his hisper followers are calling for "an intervention from those close to Mochizuki" as if he's some unhinged schizo

[Anonymous No.16105210]

>pure math is a waste of time!!!!
not my problem. It's not like what you're doing in industry is doing anything better other than adding some sort of perceived ((value)) and enriching your boss and the board of directors in shlomo.inc.

[Anonymous No.16105216]

>>16105209
what a joke

[Anonymous No.16105250]

>>16103219
>its all nonsense. even infinitesimal calculus is bullshit and completely detached from reality.
Calculus is atleast 2000-4000 years old.

[Anonymous No.16105929]

>>16105250
and it's a fraud

[Anonymous No.16106578]

>>16105110
Brainlet cope

[Anonymous No.16106640]

>>16105059
He is right, western research is a cartel controlled by jesuits and jews. The jesuits and jews understand academia is another form of priesthood to control the masses

[Anonymous No.16106710]

>>16105020
What if they're nonwhite, how will you "blackball" them?

ChatGPT is gonna be eating and shitting into its own datasets, it's gonna be the mathematicians burden to shift through it

[Anonymous No.16107443]

>>16106710
>ChatGPT is gonna be eating and shitting into its own datasets, it's gonna be the mathematicians burden to shift through it
None of this will happen. Mathematicians will just go back to doing math once the hype's dead

[Cult of Passion No.16107530]

>>16105110
Did I just hear... a WOMAN speaking? Know your place....

[Anonymous No.16107534]

>>16103219
>I can't read
>therefore words aren't real

[Anonymous Magnate No.16107580]

>>16107534
cope

[Anonymous No.16107639]

>>16103219
If a human can't tell apart AI generated math from human generated math, what difference does it make? If AI is that bad at math, then surely any undergrad can notice it immediately. What is the issue here? Maybe the Prof is fearing for his job?

[Anonymous No.16107727]

>>16105108
A combinatorics problem about how many wrong answers to a combinatorics question an AI will generate? This is getting too meta for me.

[Anonymous No.16108841]

>>16107530
kek

[Anonymous No.16110241]

>>16103238
Based

[bodhi No.16110574]

sounds right

[Anonymous No.16110693]

>>16103219
>Math is the fakest and gayest shit in academia and on the same level as physics and gender studies.
>i hope AI kills it.
>let it die a death

[Anonymous No.16110707]

>>16110693
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.16110721]

>>16107530
maybe you arent so bad, schizo

[Anonymous No.16111582]

>stuck in some proof
>ask ChatGPT
>give different proof but still acceptable answer
>dump whole work in Claude Opus
>finishes the rest of the question exactly the way I wanted
>linkrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AayZuuDDKP0

Two years ago this type of issue would've probably took me 2 weeks to get an halfassed answer from that cocky 80yo professor and some incomprehensible 2 step solution from some random pajeet on stackexchange that makes you learn absolutely nothing because of the amount of steps it skips.
For a tool that gets you half of your questions right unassisted it would be really dumb to not use it to speed up your workflow by 10x. I figured out that most of difficulties with solving shit was due to creativity slumps. Even when LLMs are wrong they're giving you a different approaches to solve shit.

[Anonymous No.16111593]

Math is the tranny of sciences, it will never be real.
REMINDER
Schrodingder cat that basedentists like to quote so much was a joke experiment Schrodinger did to prove this was all non sense before he moved to real science in biology

>LE HECKING FLUFF IS DEAD AND ALIVE EVEN DOE IT IS SCREAMING HISSING AND THE BOX SMELLS LIKE CAT SHIT
What a joke

[Anonymous No.16112569]

>>16103219
>produces math devoid of any human understanding
Why would we need AI for it when we've got him?

[Anonymous No.16113662]

>>16111582
Good video. Interesting how much more optimistic Tao seems compared to Mochozuki's pessimistic outlook.