/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.16102058]

What's the truth about nutrition and longevity? How do I maintain a healthier body, skin, and hair for as long as possible? What diet do I need? What matter is to be avoided? What books have insightful, detailed, and rigorously proved info for this (no shitty self help or modern myth spreading garbage)?

[Anonymous No.16102178]

>>16102058
Longest living person smoked a cigarette every day, you could try that

[Anonymous No.16102623]

>>16102058
Diet is cope, you're dying at 74 like your bronze age ancestors, sorry bud.

[Anonymous No.16102697]

There was a WW2 vet that smoked cigars and drank whisky every day and he was 112.
Dude ate WW2 south Pacific food from 1940-1945. Then smoked 12 cigars and some whisky coffee until his death.
Lived in Texas by oil refineries.
Take with that what you will.

[Anonymous No.16103583]

My dad was from Australia and obsessed with sun protection when I was a kid, I had to endure thousands of applications of sun screen. My skin is practically flawless for my age. I routinely wear a wide brim hat when the UV index climes in the spring.

[Anonymous No.16103700]

>>16102058
Ancestral diets are superior to novel diets in terms of healthspan since we evolved the most long-term adaptations to them after reproductive age, i.e. become a mostly carnivore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-9S8M78iRY

[Anonymous No.16104136]

>>16102058
Just be born before civilization

[Anonymous No.16105401]

>>16102623
Do you have any evidence to back up your stupid claim?

[Anonymous No.16105435]

Nutrition is pretty simple anon, just memorize this chart

[Anonymous No.16106065]

>>16102058
Avoid PUFAs in your diet. Don't worry you will never become deficient. All your fat intake should be saturated fat. Fat should be the smallest part of your diet. Carbs should be your primary source of food. Make sure you get at least 100g of protein a day and make sure you are consuming a lot of inhibitory amino acids like glycine. Gelatine and connective tissue in animals is great addition in the diet for longevity. Make sure you are physically active every day but not with too much intensity. Walking a lot is great. 45 minutes of weightlifting a week is great. A 20 second sprint few times a week is great. Sleep and wake time should be aligned with the sun rise. No alarms, let your body wake up on its own. Avoid mental stress. Saunas at least 3x a week. Live at a high altitude. Practice breathwork allowing you to tolerate higher CO2 concentration in your blood. Breathe through your nose only. Do not sit or lie down for too long. Learn actively daily. Incorporate destressing activities in your daily schedule that aligns with all of the previous. Find a loving partner and friends. Don't spend too much time alone and isolated. Receive and give physical and mental affection daily. Get sun exposure in the hours at and after sunrise and at and before sunset. Avoid chemical pollution - air, water, food.

[Anonymous No.16106068]

>>16102058
raypeat2.com
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/4/ray-peat-resource-thread

[Anonymous No.16106851]

>>16106065
Is this a troll?

[Anonymous No.16106859]

>>16106851
doesn't sound like it to me

[Anonymous No.16106867]

>>16106859
It does because it's retarded

[Anonymous No.16106868]

>>16106065
>Avoid mental stress.
ngmi

[Anonymous No.16106876]

>>16106867
i think overall, you'd have a longer lifespan doing that than doing whatever the exactly average person is doing.
some questionable things in there like "Don't worry you will never become deficient.", and idk how feasible the whole thing is unless you're joe rogan.
maybe you could say why it's retarded though.

[Anonymous No.16107034]

>>16106876
The
>All your fat intake should be saturated fat. Fat should be the smallest part of your diet. Carbs should be your primary source of food
Made it so I couldn't take it seriously

[Anonymous No.16107064]

>>16102058
You look to average lifespans across countries/cultures, ignore everything else. Life expectancy on a societal scale is something that is measurable and nobody is trying to sell you, so just look to long-lived countries (Italy, Japan, etc) and take your own notes. The above examples walk often in moderate climates and don’t eat as much red meat.

[Anonymous No.16107113]

>>16103583
>another fag who not only thinks the sun is dangerous but also shills sunscreens
kill yourself posthaste

[Anonymous No.16108326]

>>16106851
>>16106867
>>16107034
You simply don't have the knowledge I have on molecular life, cell metabolism and human physiology that I do. I am suggesting some pretty far out things in there that aren't what the established governmental and academic entities suggest. But given my 12 year experience and deep passion in molecular life sciences I am very serious with what I am saying and I do follow my own advice to the best of my capability. Various "biological age" tracking tools like methylation clock testing consistently show I am a decade younger than other people my chronological age.

[Anonymous No.16108331]

>>16106876
Even eating a cup of nuts, or fish occasionally without adding any extra fats to it already provides you with enough unsaturated fats for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.16108345]

>>16106065
>Find a loving partner

......AAAAAAANNND dropped

[Anonymous No.16108347]

>>16106851
If ChatGPT can troll then yeah.

[Anonymous No.16108431]

One thing "Blue Zone" areas have in common is an -active, low stress- lifestyle. You want to die young have an inactive high stress lifestyle. An uncommonly high percentage of executives succumb to this and die early.

Ideally you should get moderate exercise three times a week. But if it's not doable then at least once a week of moderate exercise. Everything in moderation is key. Going full autist on anything including exercise will send you to an early grave.

Zero smoking and zero drugs. Extremely moderate alcohol. Moderate daily caffeine is not bad at all and might even help.

Minimum six hours of sleep a night to avoid alzhimers at old age. People tend to skip on this but their brain will pay the price down the road.

For dirt no need to sperg.out. The key is to put fried foods into the same category as cake. You know eating cake every day is really bad for you. Eating fried foods every day is just as bad. Keep the fried foods to once s week max and make sure to treat yourself once a week so you don't sperg out and go full hog mode into a death spiral of fried foods.

Lastly your body it's not about strength it's about maintaining joint flexibility long term. Like indefinitely. Even if you cannot run then head to the trail and walk. Being sedentary is death. Once the joints go and you can no longer move you are dead. Dead as dirt. I have seen it happen too many times to count. Keep moving above all else and keep your brain active.

Do these things and you should be able make it to 90. Think of it as scoreboard if you can get there and you should if you do these things in your life.

[Anonymous No.16108457]

>>16102058

yes

[Anonymous No.16108475]

>>16102058
The key is not to be a weirdo like Steve Jobs. A lifetime of weird diets. You want to be a lab rat fine. Just ask yourself what is the lifetime of your average lab rat.

[Anonymous No.16109303]

>>16103583
The sun is absolute murder on your skin if you aren't born brown. I little bit of sun is good and healthy but laying out in direct sunlight for extended hours is retarded. And "tanning" is especially retarded.

[Anonymous No.16109333]

>>16102058
I have a theory that soup only diet would work wonders

Only problem is no soup for you

[Anonymous No.16109337]

>>16106065
>Avoid PUFAs in your diet. Don't worry you will never become deficient. All your fat intake should be saturated fat. Fat should be the smallest part of your diet. Carbs should be your primary source of food. Make sure you get at least 100g of protein a day and make sure you are consuming a lot of inhibitory amino acids like glycine. Gelatine and connective tissue in animals is great addition in the diet for longevity.

No. The rest is great advice.

I'm surprised this guy Bryan Johnson got most things extremely right, basically it's sleep, exercise, diet, avoid the sun if you are white, and other simple things like thermal therapy. He got it wrong with supplements tho, its always best to get molecules in a natural state. The olive and raw cacao recommendation is spot on.

[Anonymous No.16109570]

>>16109337
The only daily supplement I take is vitamin C. I haven't had a sick day in decades. I've had a cold that sucked balls but I stopped getting the flu when I stopped getting flu shots in the mid-late 2000's. I think my last flu shot was around 2007 which coincidentally was the last time I was bed ridden with the flu.

[Anonymous No.16109684]

>>16108326
Not that anon, are you saying that the current public opinion of fat being good for you, like animal fat, and plenty of it, is wrong?

[Anonymous No.16109717]

>>16109337
do you have specifics about what he got right?

[Anonymous No.16109841]

>>16109717
>>16109717
Basically its getting full sleep, avoid screens at night or use filters otherwise. Plenty of exercise, done anyway you like, but make sure you get your heart rate up (HIIT being the go at). In terms of diet, it's somewhat like picrel.

[Anonymous No.16109843]

>>16109717
>picrel

[Anonymous No.16109907]

>>16109843
thanks!

[Anonymous No.16110045]

>>16109843
>You can drink milk but not kefir
Completely retarded

[Anonymous No.16110263]

It always baffles me how people don't take their own health seriously. I get it if you are poor, but then you see richfags wasting millions in luxury items or lots of time and money maintaining material things and totally neglecting their own bodies, which they only get to have one during their whole life

[Anonymous No.16110416]

>>16110045
Johnson is vegan, his diet doesn't touch the top 3 levels except the in season fruit part. Gundry's pyramid is a low lectin diet, so maybe thats why certain types of milk are allowed but kefir not, I dont know really. It's the most similar to Johnson's diet that I know of that already has a pretty picture.

[Anonymous No.16110423]

>>16102058
Epigenetic, stress, getting the nutrition that compensates for blood chemistry deficiencies, and having your unconscious and conscious mind operate in concert with a mutual understanding of the goals.
It's also important to deify a concept. For me it's balance or equilibrium withing nature

Subject your body to the right type of stress and eat the right type of shit, and you will activate the genes that were the original inspiration for demigods

Or so I believe. It's what I've done and I'm aging decently enough despite how often I have lived terribly due to depression

32 years old in a few weeks and I seem to be aging pretty well, considering

[Anonymous No.16110427]

>>16109337
Yes. You saying no reveals your lack of understanding.

[Anonymous No.16110430]

>>16110263
>neglecting their own bodies
The definition of this changes all the time. For example: plant-based cooking is an expensive hobby for rich people yet leads to malnutrition. Hamburgers, bacon and sausage have been considered junkfood yet are some of the most nutritious foods you can eat these days.

[Anonymous No.16110434]

>>16109684
The current public opinion on fat is split into several groups. Some advocating complete avoidance of animal and saturated fats. Others advocating for replacing saturated animal fats in favor of unsaturated plant fats. Others advocating for balancing the unsaturated fat plants but having them be higher than saturated overall. Even regulatory agencies globally disagree on this.

Fat is good for you. Animal fat is good for you. But you can't combine it with huge quantities of carbs together. Doing so results in unwanted effects on your metabolism and health. So it's best to eat a very small amount of saturated fat in your diet enough to sustain proper hormone output and then load up the rest of your calories from mostly carbs. Oxidative phosphorylation is the cleanest energy production method for the cell. Maintaing good glucose tolerance and a raging oxphos metabolism is crucial for longevity and functionality. PUFAs will harm this. PUFAs are useful for some signalling molecules when in very small quantities. They should not be used for staple food. You can cut it out completely and you won't to deficient because your body tissues has already accumulated a lot. Even if you were on 0 PUFA diet it would take years to reach complete absence of it in your body. Eating just a few nuts or a fish or wholegrains gives you miniscule but enough ammounts of it.

[Anonymous No.16110461]

>>16110430
I'm a vegan third worldie, I live on less than 100 dollars per month, here meat is the most expensive food by far.

[Anonymous No.16110491]

>>16110434
>le scientific jargon
Listen you head injured autist: no normal healthy person eats [insert jargon]. Normal healthy people want to eat a proper meal. A proper meal is not like boiling a steak because we fear PAH's and AGE's. A proper meal is not eating plain fresh raw vegetables without a seed oil dressing because we fear PUFA. No you robotic number cruncher: a proper meal is grilling or frying the hell out of steaks and burgers and scandalously slattering all the sauce on all the thing. Just this one proper meal has like 1200 calories and gets you through most of the day because it was so deliciously satisfying. You would lose weight like crazy if you eat like his.

But no: people have to eat ''healthy'' (tm) so they gain weight from suicidal depression inducing oatmeals and lean chicken breasts boiled in a coin size amount of butter while grazing carrots like a rabbit.

[Anonymous No.16110500]

>>16110491
Most of my diet is potatoes, meat, dairy, fruits, carrots, coconuts, occasional leafy vegs. Yes I do add a pinch of butter if I need fat. I am 196cm 96kg. I'm already larger than average for the average of my nation - Netherlands. I eat more calories than average person, I am more active than average person and I am biologically younger than average person my age. My meals are delicious. This thread is about longevity and functionality. Not about enjoyment maximizing. Go back and read OP. The overall joy I get from food is similar to the overall joy you get from it. If you want to max out on fun there are better ways than food (conscientious drug use). But that's not what the thread is about. Go back to your high school lessons now, it's mid day.

[Anonymous No.16110501]

>>16110461
>bag of organic lentils: 1 dollar per meal
>organic garlic: 1 dollar
>organic ginger: 1 dollar
>organic tomato (paste): 1 dollar
>organic onion: 0.50 dollar
>organic oil / butter / ghee: 1 dolllar per meal
>orgafnic herbs & spices: 1 dollar per meal
>organic coconut cream: 1 dollar per meal
>organic white rice: 0.50 dollar per meal

Just a bowl of lentil soup will cost you about 8 dollars if you want to eat organic (free of pesticides, no preservatives or other toxins).

[Anonymous No.16110502]

>>16110434
Thank you for the explanation, I understand a bit more about this now.
>>16110491
Thank you for a counter.

[Anonymous No.16110511]

>>16110500
>I am 196cm 96kg.
There's your problem. I'm Dutch, white, male, middle aged but way smaller than you are. The sheer volume of what you eat ensures nourishment but for a featherweight your recommendations are a disaster accelerating aging from malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.16110528]

>>16110511
If you eat to satiation you won't have issues with micronutrients. You can live a whole life on that diet without being malnourished at any point. The more mass I have the more nutrients I need compared to someone lighter. The benefit of this diet is that it's harder to gain mass on a caloric surplus due to the increased amount of energy lost as heat. You can overeat a bit more calories above your standard maintenance calculator without fat gain. CICO still applies as more calories lost as heat.

[Anonymous No.16110561]

>>16110528
>If you eat to satiation you won't have issues with micronutrients.
That doesn't scale well. If caloric needs are high than a high carb / low fat diet (potatos > steak) still provides plenty of bio-available animal-based nutrients. But if caloric needs are low then high carb / low fat provides too little animal sources of nutrients and interference is greater (like dairy inhibiting iron-absorption).

[Anonymous No.16110606]

>>16110501
The fuck are those prices. 25kg of organic millet is 40 dollars where I live. Whole oats are 60usd/25kg. Rye is 30usd/25kg, flax 50usd/25kg

[Anonymous No.16110998]

>>16110500
>196cm 96kg
>25 BMI
Unless you are extremely muscular, you are overweight. Post hand

[Anonymous No.16111032]

>>16110606
>Whole oats are 60usd/25kg
euro 3,50 / kg and red lentils are euro 5,20 / kg welcome to Holland ruled by WEF's favorite prime minister although food is not as poisonous as in the US (is what I tell myself to sleep better at night).

[Anonymous No.16111052]

>>16110500
>potatoes, meat, dairy, fruits, carrots, coconuts, occasional leafy vegs
What a shitty diet holy shit

[Anonymous No.16111360]

>>16110998
I am very lean.

>>16111052
Keeps me young, strong, smart and functional. Plus it's delicious.

[Anonymous No.16111362]

>>16110561
It simply doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.16111367]

>>16110500
Youre cooked. People over 195cm tend to have 20 years shaved off their lifespan. Plus you have an atrocious diet and are very heavy... RIP

[Anonymous No.16111369]

>>16111360
This poster is not me. Someone pretending to be me.

[Anonymous No.16111374]

>>16111369
Actual me.
I am lean.
>>16110998
>>16111367
My size will definitely impact my lifespan. But I am going good for now. Being a decade younger biologically than other people my chronological age on average.

My diet is very good. I've crafted it with actual understanding on this subject not popsci articles and bought off nutrition boards. My biyearly tests also confirm this.

[Anonymous No.16111378]

>>16111374
I forgot to attach picture>>16110998

[Anonymous No.16111384]

>>16111374
I am retarded but if you were more sedentary wouldn’t that be less impact on your heart and so you could live longer as a giant? Correct me if this is wrong but your heart is the most stressed when you are tall.

[Anonymous No.16111394]

>>16111384
Cardiovascular system would be issue yes. But being sedentary is worse for you. It's important to accumulate as much bone mass and density you can while you are young. Building up muscle mass and maintaining it for decades before inevitable aging processes start chipping away at it is important. Big limiters and killers of elderly people are lack of functionality due to diminished bone and muscle mass which leads to sedentary lifestyles which further increases the rate of loss progressing into full blown osteoporosis and sarcopenia. Delaying frailty as long as you can is best thing for longevity after a good diet. A good diet combined with regular light intensity exercise is enough to keep preventable heart disease at bay. The rest is up to genetics and outside of your control.

[Anonymous No.16112564]

>>16108331
Nuts are toxic

[Anonymous No.16112689]

>>16112564
Not bad in small quantities when you have a healthy gut.

[Anonymous No.16112755]

>>16112689
>just eat the posion goy it's just in small quantities