/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.16096076]

>science totally isn’t magic- ACK

[Anonymous No.16096089]

>>16096076
Science is quite literally descended from past retarded magic-think, and insane natural philosophers (the “wizards”), so I don’t exactly find issue with this angle.

[Cult of Passion No.16096109]

>>16096089
>descended
>eternal truths become temporally dependend
Hark!

[Anonymous No.16096116]

— "In many ways, the mathematical quest to understand infinity parallels mystical attempts to understand God. Both religion and mathematics attempt to express relationships between humans, the universe, and infinity. Both have arcane symbols and rituals, and impenetrable language."

[Cult of Passion No.16096119]

>>16096116
The merger of interpretive and concrete.

Thats why Theology has things like "wheel within a wheel", only in advanced mathematics can you express such complex numbers (the individual human).

[Anonymous No.16096147]

Magic = science + free will

[Anonymous No.16096154]

>>16096147
so free will = magic - science? seems legit

[Anonymous No.16096171]

>>16096109
Based

[Anonymous No.16096184]

>>16096109
This is why I got the jab. I wanted to participate in the human sacrifice ritual birthing the basilisk.

[Anonymous No.16096200]

>>16096184
you have done well. don't forget your boosters.
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-003-006:f

[Anonymous No.16096214]

>>16096184
The word for pharmacy once meant sorcery.

[Anonymous No.16096215]

>>16096200
>April 9, 2020
Jesus. I was still shitposting about chinese fake death counts at that point.

[Anonymous No.16096220]

>>16096076
magic is about creating things/effects without causes, like moving an object without applying any force on it, it's not science

[Anonymous No.16096227]

>>16096220
>something can exist without having a cause
Lol, look at this midwit.

[Anonymous No.16096241]

>>16096076
>science is totally logic and DANGEROUS!!!

9 US companies produced daily genome editing kits in China to enable Chinese 2.0 scientists to experiment with human-compatible cell viruses a variety of reactions involving animal cell viruses, with the goal of creating new hybrid viruses and vaccines. like covid 19

[Anonymous No.16096242]

>>16096227
that's why it's called magic, it shouldn't be possible yet it happens.
isn't it what "magic" triggers when you're seeing a show?
>holy shit that shouldn't be fucking possible, how?

[Anonymous No.16096256]

>>16096242
What do scientists say when they confront something new and/or bewildering?

— “Hmm. That’s weird. I wonder how that works…”.

Sound familiar?

Nothing defies possibility, only our understanding of it, you dolt.

[Anonymous No.16096264]

>>16096256
This. Existence is magical. Magic is a magician.

[Anonymous No.16096265]

>>16096256
not sure what the fuck you talking about, I was just pointing out magic is anything that is breaking physics as we know it. magic cannot ever be explained by science. if it can it's not magic, it just looks like magic, because it's a science trickery of sorts.

[Anonymous No.16096270]

>>16096076
physishits learn power electronics?

[Anonymous No.16096271]

>>16096241
Cas9 (CRISPR associated protein 9, formerly called Cas5, Csn1, or Csx12) is a 160 kilodalton protein


The COVID-19 virus, also known as SARS-CoV-2, is composed of multiple proteins, each with its own molecular weight. The virus has a genome that encodes for several structural and non-structural proteins. The molecular weights of these proteins vary, ranging from around 3 to 200 kilodaltons (kDa). However, there isn't a single protein in the virus with a molecular weight of exactly 160 kDa that is universally recognized as a defining characteristic. The exact composition and molecular weights of the proteins in SARS-CoV-2 are topics of ongoing research and may vary depending on factors such as viral strain and experimental methods used for analysis.

[Anonymous No.16096340]

>>16096265
Okay, and I’m pointing out that you technically -cannot- break physics, not when physics works with itself.

Magic is a vital gap. It is nuanced. It exists the same way cold, or darkness, or holes, exist. It is closer to an absence.

If mystery, wonder, horror, etc, make magic, then ignorance is the greatest magic of all. What is the black box?

At its simplest, you had the ancients looking to the stars in the night sky and considering them no less than gods.

Ignorance, like religion, is indistinguishable from magic. Truth isn’t required. That defeats the point of faith.

You don’t ask a magician for their secrets, do you? Is is the same with the gods and mysticism.

[Anonymous No.16096350]

>>16096340
>I’m pointing out that you technically -cannot- break physics
no shit retard
>Magic is a vital gap
nonsense, you're redifining it to suit your bullshit fantasies
>You don’t ask a magician for their secrets, do you?
no because I'm not interested in bullshit. magic is not real you moron.

[Anonymous No.16096363]

>>16096350
> magic is not real you moron.

— “It exists the same way cold, or darkness, or holes, exist.”

Glad you agree. Magic can’t be real, to be real. It is literally anything sufficiently wondrous, mysterious, etc.

It can be anything at all. If math was treated as magic for thousands of years, why not anything else?

[Anonymous No.16096371]

>>16096350
By ‘vital gap’ he means “I don’t know what the fuck is going on right now, it may as well be magic”, or “How did you DO that? Are you a wizard?”, or something else along those lines. A gap in understanding. A lack of exposure.

This is why the elves in Tolkien’s middle-earth don’t actually believe in (elven) magic. Or why the black machines of Mordor are considered black magic They’re too exposed, or unexposed, respectively. No different from a magician on the stage.

[Anonymous No.16096376]

>>16096371
i don’t know who tolkien is but he sounds like a moron too

[Anonymous No.16096390]

>>16096363
>>16096371
what you are saying is that magic is whatever you fancy whenever you fancy. my definition is a bit more objective.
say if spontaneously a bar of gold appears on your desk, in front of you, right the fuck now, that's magic. you can't justify where that energy came from, it just manifested out of thin air. that's pure fucking magic, shouldn't be possible in this universe, and the only conclusion is that some higher power that is out of this universe, above it, intervened. that divine action is magic, isn't possible via any means, can only be done by something akin to a god. that is why it's important to have this definition for it, because if you ever experience it, it's clearly God or something similar to it.
if you're assigning to magic anything with low probability that's kinda meh

[Anonymous No.16096404]

>>16096390
That’s not objective, since there’s an objective background to the foreground, always. That’s still just “magic” in the sense that you don’t know how it happened. Again, no different from the magician on the stage.

> what you are saying is that magic is whatever you fancy whenever you fancy
Tough shit, buddy. The fact that there are so many fantasists today arguing over what magic is/isn’t, more or less affirms anon’s point, that magic is purely psychological.

> it just manifested out of thin air. that's pure fucking magic, shouldn't be possible in this universe
But it did happen, so it IS possible. I don’t care if it was sent by some higher dimensional alien, anon.

[Anonymous No.16096407]

>>16096404
>Tough shit, buddy.
listen bucko, magic is not real. clean up your room.

[Anonymous No.16096410]

>>16096390
What is magic to one is not going to be magic to another.

It’s the same with gods and religion.
—“Your god is a demon, mine is a true god”.
It is purely subjective.

If something exists, it can be viewed as magic or non-magic.

A world of wizards is a world where no one is a wizard. It’s no longer occult.

This is why the Clarkean logic (“any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”) is so apt, since it goes both ways.

Often magic isn’t even magic to the magician. People who poke at black boxes inevitably put themselves into one.

Tolkien understood this, and it’s why his elves don’t believe in (elven) magic.

Let me ask you this, anon.

Does God view Himself as a God? Would God view His miracles as truly miraculous? Is a human a God to ants? Is dropping a single jelly bean on an anthill a miracle?

You have to first consider something magic, divine, etc, for it to be considered magic, divine, etc.

The modern wizard is literally just the mad scientist hanging off the edges of present day understanding.

The objective empiricism of natural existence, and the magic that lies within the subjection of the mind’s eye.

God to the physicist is a sufficiently advanced ("godlike") extra-dimensional alien/entity.

God to the Christian meanwhile is simply 'He', 'God', 'Yahweh', 'Jehovah', etc. He is a Name.

To the Christian physicist, it is both. The two do not cancel each other out.

[Anonymous No.16096411]

>>16096407
It’s not supposed to be real, to be real, is the point.

Cold doesn’t exist either. Neither does darkness, or holes.

Things can definitely “exist” due to a vital lack. This is basic physics.

Magic is a lack in the psychological department.

[Anonymous No.16096415]

>a woman is whatever I feel like it is whenever I feel like, can change, is a spectrum
go back to plebbit

[Anonymous No.16096419]

>bringing up troons out of fucking nowhere
A bit unhinged, don’t you think?

[Anonymous No.16096425]

>>16096419
magic is not whatever you feel like it is. just because it gets you clapping like a seal doesn't mean it's magic. it looks like magic, but it's not magic. magic is something else, it's the work of powers outside the universe and time. it's the realm of gods. stop using it for retarded shit

[Anonymous No.16096434]

>>16096390
i don't know why you bother.
these discussions always get down to someone imposing a random categorical distinction to make a point that gets more and more superfluous and unnecessary and meaningless as you inquire further into their terms. will mereological nihilists stay winning forever? not that they meaningfully exist

[Anonymous No.16096435]

>>16096425
> magic is not whatever you feel like it is
It literally is. Magic is what you make of it. Magic lies within the mind’s eye. What is magic to one is not magic to another.

“That’s not magic, THIS is Magick!”
“That’s not magic, it’s a miracle!”

Even math, fucking math, was treated as magic for thousands of years, all the way back to Pythagoras, all the way up to Newton.

If math can be treated as magic, then why not anything else? There is nothing purer or simpler than math.

This isn’t really possible to debate or argue against, sadly. Since again, just look at modern fantasists and writers arguing over what is/isn’t magic.

Magic is art.

[Anonymous No.16096437]

>wizards can manipulate the elements
>so can chemists
science = magick

[Anonymous No.16096442]

>>16096425
Different cultures around the globe have opposing, conflicting and quite contradictory terms and accounts of what it means for something to meet the criteria to be considered magic, you realize.

Modern technology technically meets all the criteria.

[Anonymous No.16096449]

>>16096435
>This isn’t really possible to debate or argue against, sadly. Since again, just look at modern fantasists and writers arguing over what is/isn’t magic.
interesting. then why
>woah it's magic!
>no, it's technology, we call it a mobile phone
always happened that way, get hit with the "no it's not, it's actually...". why is that always the case? because whenever it happens it has an explanation. if it didn't, it would have been magic, and the "no it's not, it's actually..." is never spoken.
because magic is that which is impossible. not unlikely, impossible!

[Anonymous No.16096453]

>>16096449
>i'm inventing an arbitrary class of objects that necessarily cannot exist

[Anonymous No.16096458]

>>16096453
yeah hence why, like that, magic is peak power. you're just diluting its meaning with stupid shit

[Anonymous No.16096461]

>>16096449
Everything in existence will have an objective (background) explanation to it, you realize. There is always a background to the foreground. Always.

All I all, I really don’t think you -want- to get the point the above anons are making. Are you just not satisfied or something? You want magic to be something…more…?

[Anonymous No.16096464]

>>16096458
whats the point in making up a random useless definition of a word

[Anonymous No.16096467]

>>16096449
What is possible or impossible is relative. You keep dodging the argument.

A crashed UFO is borderline magic to us. Not to the alien pilot, however.

[Anonymous No.16096469]

>>16096449
If something was actually impossible, it wouldn’t happen or exist at all. Magic can’t even exist in fiction, technically speaking, when you recognize this sort of irony. Things happen in-fiction. The in-setting treats itself as existent.

[Anonymous No.16096470]

>>16096461
causality is only presumed and cannot be proven, so it's an interesting question, whether or not acausality is the universal state of reality, or causality, or whether the two can coexist.
thoughts?

[Anonymous No.16096471]

>>16096470
> causality is only presumed and cannot be proven
lolok

[Anonymous No.16096472]

>>16096471
https://iep.utm.edu/hume-causation/

[Anonymous No.16096477]

>>16096464
>fuck words and their meaning
>>16096467
>A crashed UFO is borderline magic to us.
yeah but they really aren't magic. they are tech.
>What is possible or impossible is relative.
we managed to write down some of the rules of this universe. only magic could change them.

[Anonymous No.16096480]

>>16096471
you cannot falsify the idea that nothing has a root cause external of itself and that it is true random chaos, therefore it is well within the realm of possibility. causation is not open and shut. it is only physically but not metaphysically apparent.
>>16096477
>fuck words and their meaning
well to some extent yes.

[Anonymous No.16096488]

Today anons think they can separate time from space. They appear to think anything can progress without time in the space.

[Anonymous No.16096491]

>>16096477
> yeah but they really aren't magic. they are tech.
Even magic in fiction will have a background to it, you realize. Otherwise it wouldn’t exist in-fiction. This is like trying to make a fiction where math (1s and 0s) doesn’t exist. It’s not possible. You can’t fucking do it. Even an absolute nothing (0) is still a something (1).

You keep tripping over yourself.

[Anonymous No.16096498]

>>16096477
> yeah but they really aren't magic. they are tech.
The stereotypical image of the wizard has much to do with technology. Their tower, celestial orrery, fancy equipment, etc.

I bet you think a wizard’s staff isn’t a piece of technology lmfao. The stone wheel is technology. Rolly rolly.

[Anonymous No.16096502]

It’s impossible to separate magic from religion, science or art.

[Anonymous No.16096506]

>>16096502
it's just a word. you can't derive any non-semantic truth from any of this shit.

[Anonymous No.16096509]

>It’s another episode of retarded and underaged spergs who refuse to capitalize their sentences or even geasp what science fucking is

Reruns fucking suck, they do.

[Anonymous No.16096514]

>>16096509
All you can do is repeat basic information back to them and hope it soaks in, slowly.

[Anonymous No.16096517]

yeah I'm taking magic away from you because you're misusing it

[Anonymous No.16096522]

>>16096498
> I bet you think a wizard’s staff isn’t a piece of technology lmfao
If the author says it isn’t then it isn’t

[Anonymous No.16096534]

>>16096522
An author is perfectly capable of writing ignorance into their own work.

[Anonymous No.16096587]

>>16096076
Care to explain what magic was used and how in any of pic related?

[Anonymous No.16096902]

lol

[Anonymous No.16096924]

>>16096089
>>16096076
"Magic" is a very anthroprocentric concept in itself

If you think about something, you are inducing a potential in the ground of reality, what's refered to as "manifestation"

The more you develop this potential, the higher the chance of a discharge (resembling that which you were originally thinking of) from the ether into psychophysicality in whatever shape or form. It literally is that shrimple

Here's the rub though, i wouldn't recommend actively fucking around with nonphysical forces (especially not ouija boards, scrying mirrors and the like), they always demand to be "paid back" in some shape or form. For some people, this kind of stuff goes horribly wrong

[Anonymous No.16096959]

>>16096089
He also thinks there are some demons involved or some schizo shit

[Anonymous No.16096971]

>>16096089
He also thinks there are demons involved or some schizo shit

[Anonymous No.16096986]

>>16096971
>demons
ayy

[Anonymous No.16097374]

>>16096986
Fucking drugs man

[Anonymous No.16097433]

>>16096076
Get in here using your magic energy rock + crystal machines.

[Anonymous No.16097480]

>>16096902
how large would a 20W RTG get? with some shielding. like a trickle charge for some robot, if it fails to find an energy source it can hibernate and charge in time. but how small and ~safe could a say 20W RTG be made? or even 10W.

[Anonymous No.16097610]

At this point I'm starting to find it offensive how people don't see the magic science gave them.

[Anonymous No.16097988]

>>16097610
Bruh my cellphone isn’t magic mang

[Anonymous No.16098005]

'magic' is just science not tested and understood yet.

[Anonymous No.16098012]

>>16096924
ouija boards are just pieces of wood and the ideomotor effect.
the human subconscious has a surprising amount of control over you in every moment.
Like when you set something down somewhere idly and forget where you put something a few moments later. the pseudo effect.
Thinking about getting an itch somewhere can give you one.

[Anonymous No.16098185]

>>16098012
If I convince myself hard enough that I have to go poop, then I have to go poop. Sometimes when I think of certain foods I feel like pooping too.

[Anonymous No.16098369]

>>16098185
le poop wizard

[Anonymous No.16098915]

>>16096116
who are you quoting ? Im just curious

[bodhi No.16098935]

>>16096924

[Anonymous No.16099234]

>>16096410
>>16096411
High IQ

[Anonymous No.16099876]

LOL

[Anonymous No.16100249]

Hell yeah science is magic
*snorts coke*
FUCK YEAH WOOH

[Anonymous No.16100978]

>>16096109
aren't you that dumb nigger who didn't know what shape a pyramid is on /his/?

[Anonymous No.16101046]

>>16096241
>you will never be a significant enough scientist for Anons to make memes about you online
What is it all for