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Anonymous Mon Aug 16 17:59:16 2010 No.1608373 [Reply] [Original]

Some leftard faggot made a political spectrum thread on /a/ where he managed to lie to everyone with a liberal agenda before finally getting deleted. I'm just here to make sure that you idiots understand the correct political breakdown as laid out by the great majority of reputable post-revisionist social studies researchers.

Conservative: Order > Freedom > Equality
Liberal: Equality > Freedom > Order
Libertarian: Freedom >> Order = Equality
Communist: Equality >> Order = Freedom
Reactionary: Order >> Freedom = Equality

"Tradition" doesn't play into this, except as a some people's perception of order. Also, it's important to note that both conservatives and liberals value freedom equally and will gladly take away your rights if it serves their agenda.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:11:16 2010 No.1608430 I kind of miss freedom > equality > order in this list.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:15:16 2010 No.1608449 >>1608430 well then invent a group that thinks that way and get some followers but really, it's all just generalizations anyway. lots of liberals put freedom first, as do some conservatives. and not all libertarians devalue equality and order so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:29:16 2010 No.1608498 >>1608373 Dude. Have you taken any class on political philosophy, ever?

rec & play !!lz9pGsOAX6N Mon Aug 16 18:29:16 2010 No.1608499
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Conservative = resistance to change.
I don't know how you got "freedom > order" for liberal but ok.
Libertarian is about right.
Communist is an economic position and shouldn't be defined along with political positions; it's confusing. Communism has nothing to say about equality, order, or freedom, except in areas where those explicitly overlap with economy.
Reactionary you probably know better than me.

Pic is my compass.

>>	fascist goldfish !Rrxa7zePwI Mon Aug 16 18:30:16 2010 No.1608501 >>1608498 obviously not.

Inurdaes !lololSGJBw Mon Aug 16 18:36:16 2010 No.1608520
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>Some leftard faggot made a political spectrum thread on /a/ where he managed to lie to everyone with a liberal agenda before finally getting deleted.
This isn't /new/. You will most likely be looked down upon by many people browsing this thread on /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:37:16 2010 No.1608524 >>1608498 >>1608501 Yes, and it wasn't run by a filthy liberal, either. Our professor was intelligent, objective, and a self-identified post revisionist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:37:32 2010 No.1608526 >>1608498 Fuck philosophy. These days philosophy books are filled with liberal crap. once thought i would be interesting but there s too much liberal crap in todays philosophies books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:39:16 2010 No.1608532 Go back to /a/ loser. We're trying to understand the nature of reality up in this bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:41:16 2010 No.1608543 >>1608524 People who use terms like "filthy liberal" are clearly the best-assessed to determine what is objective. Also, you're a fag.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:42:16 2010 No.1608544

>>1608499
Political theory books use a different term than "communist" but it escaped me. It's the same damn thing, though.

>Conservative = resistance to change.
To some degree social and economic change, but not change in general. Technological progress is not a political issue, at least not in modern political theory.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:42:16 2010 No.1608545

>>1608524

> Our professor was intelligent, objective, and a self-identified post revisionist.

Looks like anyone can be a professor on political science these day if you call that thing you posted has any connection to the real world.

I bet you guys didn't even get to read Voltaire.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:42:16 2010 No.1608546

>>1608499
>Communist is an economic position and shouldn't be defined along with political positions; it's confusing. Communism has nothing to say about equality, order, or freedom, except in areas where those explicitly overlap with economy.

You're thinking socialism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:43:16 2010 No.1608549 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck yeah, green is the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:46:16 2010 No.1608562 >>1608499 Oh yea, I've always had problem identifying communism on the map along with liberalism and conservatism, since it's more of a historical theory than an economic doctrine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:48:16 2010 No.1608571 File: 3 KB, 480x400, pcgraphpng.php.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] and its only so left wing because i'm not religious

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:50:16 2010 No.1608574

>>1608562
That's because a two dimensional map doesn't work when there are THREE axis that need to be referenced:

ORDER
FREEDOM
EQUALITY

It's also important to note that "order" is not synonymous with authoritarianism any more than "equality" is; rather, authoritarianism overlaps both ideas.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:55:16 2010 No.1608586
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The political compass seems to take only the surface value of those answers entered into its autonomous evaluation. Fair and just, considering the mass majority do the same. Without expressed morals, theory and principles the test means nothing. I am pro environment, vegetarian, pro equality and anti-establishment would you believe... (Well, current establishment anyway)

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:59:16 2010 No.1608593 >>1608586 Looks like you broke it then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 18:59:16 2010 No.1608595 >Conservative: Order > Freedom > Equality Conservative: Freedom > Order > Equality

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:01:16 2010 No.1608602 >>1608595 no

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:12:16 2010 No.1608632 File: 53 KB, 808x600, 1281995968721aaaaaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fixed

>>	Moderate libertarian !!R/r6GYTqUvC Mon Aug 16 19:16:16 2010 No.1608642 >>1608595 Social conservatives are authoritarian.

rec & play !!lz9pGsOAX6N Mon Aug 16 19:26:16 2010 No.1608672

>>1608546
Communism is more political than I thought. I wasn't thinking of socialism, but thanks for getting me to check my facts.

>>1608574
Any political position represents many, many dimensions. Many policies can't even be reduced to a continuous spectrum. I don't think that your three are particularly good, either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:28:16 2010 No.1608678 Top: Fucking retarded inbred faggots. Bottom: Normal people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:29:16 2010 No.1608681 >>1608373 Freedom > Equality > Order, where is it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:29:16 2010 No.1608682 Anarchism: Freedom>>Equality>>herp derp>>order

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:30:16 2010 No.1608684 >>1608586 >>1608571 HEIL HITLER

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:32:16 2010 No.1608689

>Some leftard faggot made a political spectrum thread on /a/ where he managed to lie to everyone with a liberal agenda before finally getting deleted.

You know, each political compass thread is filled with people in the green zone. It's because the great majority of 4chan is filled with lurkers and normal people who don't post often and don't shout as loud as stormfags.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:48:16 2010 No.1608727

>>1608672
>I don't think that your three are particularly good
First of all, those are not "my three". They come from a textbook written by experts.

Secondly, those three are the most important because they sum up political theory quite accurately in the last 100 years. I know you hate giving "equality" it's own standing, but it just isn't accurate to try to dissolve it into order or freedom or even mere "human rights." And it goes way beyond communist theory. Look at the age old struggle in America since it's birth:

>should banks have the freedom to deny loans to those they want, or should people be treated equally regardless of their economic standing?

That was an issue back in Jackson's time, and it's still an issue to this very day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:49:16 2010 No.1608732 >>1608689 4chan always has been made up of "I don't care-ist" libertarians.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:51:16 2010 No.1608741 >>1608681 That would be some subset of liberals. On the whole, however, a liberal is going to place equality (economic and social) over freedom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 19:51:16 2010 No.1608743 >>1608681 kicked out of a hippie commune?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 20:45:16 2010 No.1608956 Can we get a definition of order, freedom, and equality? It's pretty easy to extrapolate, but I would like a concise definition.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 20:53:16 2010 No.1608993 Hah, I come off my ban, and you guys are still as terrible as ever. you should know that I go to r9k and /b/ for science discussion, now. Be ashamed, be very ashamed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 20:56:16 2010 No.1609006 >>1608993 u mad? If you managed to be banned on a board with no mods, you certainly weren't talking about science.

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 21:49:26 2010 No.1609255

>>1608956
freedom - ability to do what you want
order - everyone rigidly follows rules, such that no one is pillaging, murdering, or breaking society's morals (public nudity etc)
equality - people are provided for/taken from until all people equal in rights, opportunities, and economics (ie heavily tax rich; free money to the poor)

Obviously, few people believe in 100% freedom, 100% order, or 100% equality. At their extreme, all of those things are terrible. Total freedom would make for an anarchist state where strength ruled; complete order would make for a fascist state; and complete equality would mean that opportunity and ingenuity were punished

Anonymous Mon Aug 16 21:54:41 2010 No.1609278

>>1609255
Also, it's important to note that order is NOT the opposite of freedom.

You can have a fascist state where no one has any freedom that also has no order. In fact, that is almost always the case: the ruling class preys on the people, and crimes of those with power go unpunished.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 21:55:44 2010 No.1609282 Politics are gay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 21:57:11 2010 No.1609289 >>1609282 I used to feel this way. Then I woke up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 21:57:29 2010 No.1609286 >>1609278 >ruling class preys on the people What else is new?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:01:03 2010 No.1609305 >>1909289 They are extremely gay.You didn't wake up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:02:06 2010 No.1609308 also,they love the cock

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:15:42 2010 No.1609368 political opinions are instilled in children like religion, also what has this got to do with sci?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:17:09 2010 No.1609377 >>1609368 It's called political science for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:31:39 2010 No.1609453 >>1608595 we're not talking about the pussy "American Conservative" type, he was referring to "Real Conservatives" I like your way of putting it, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 22:37:05 2010 No.1609482 >>1609377 so does that mean pseudo science is a science to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 16 23:04:02 2010 No.1609621 >>1609482 Only liberal arts majors sage and ask a question.

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