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16063941 No.16063941 [Reply] [Original]

If the universe always goes to a lower energy state, how was it set to the initial high energy state to begin with?

There has to be some level of variance or arbitrariness in physics that allowed the universe to reach the high energy state at the start.

>> No.16063990
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16063990

jews tried to kill me and steal that from me

>> No.16064015

>>16063941
I like to think that on some infinite scale the perturbations and infinite bifurcations of vacuum energy will "inevitably" cascade into one colossal perturbation. So analogous to something like a capillary wave but in reverse if that makes sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_wave
And so the big bang amounts to all that energy coming together at a point and ejecting a "droplet" and "boom". Analogous to a positive feedback loop perhaps, also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronization_of_chaos
Everything can be chaotically dissipative and "eventually" by pure chance that could come together into synchronicity. So, a spontaneous and coincidental collision of sorts from the endlessly perturbing "zero-point energy" state of the cosmos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy#Chaotic_and_emergent_phenomena

chaos theory ftw. The answer is nonlinear emergence. Or that's a really cute way I like to think about it anyway

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16064301

>>16063990
they'll do that

>> No.16064306

I farted, thats how.

>> No.16064351

>>16064015
None of that answers OP's question.

>> No.16064366

>>16064306
Thank you, Brahma

>> No.16064423

>>16063941
It was pretty high energy when the whole universe was compressed into a size less than a single atom

>> No.16064471

>>16063941
the universe is just one big explosion in extreme-slow motion
explosions expand and then cool down/dissipate over time
change my mind

>> No.16064482

>>16064015
This "chaos" isn't really chaos, it's all guided by The One (God)

>> No.16064516

>>16064423
>>16064471
And how does the universe get to this dense high energy state for it to then "explode"?

>> No.16064635

>>16063941
Jewish usury debt invented the universe

>> No.16064643

>duuuude i totally know everything about the entire universe
>i learned it all on the black soience man tv show

>> No.16064680

>>16064516
Nobody knows. There's some theories and even though their math might work they're just guesses really because they're hard to test. But the CMB suggests that at some point the universe was extremely hot, so hot that it must have been very dense, either that or something weird is going on. But it's was apparently trillions of degrees and so dense that particles didn't even exist, it was just like a blob of energy, then there was a sudden expansion like blowing up a balloon. But the cause is unknown

>> No.16064684

>>16064643
really? That's great

>> No.16065271

>>16064015

>some infinite scale
>"inevitably"
>one colossal perturbation
>analogous to something like
>if that makes sense
>Analogous to a positive feedback loop perhaps
>can be chaotically dissipative
>perhaps
>can be chaotically dissipative
>synchronicity
>of sorts
>Or that's a really cute way I like to think about it anyway

Arm-waving ftw.

>> No.16065281

>>16063941
It's a dream.

>> No.16065467

>>16063941
The universe doesn't go to a lower energy state, it conserves energy.* Where did you hear that? You are probably thinking of the idea that it wants to go to a higher entropy state, and thus why was it in such a low entropy state to begin with, which is the well-known problem of the arrow of time.

*Strictly speaking this isn't quite true due to subtleties of defining energy in general relativity, but there is still local conservation of something called the energy-momentum tensor.

>> No.16065486

>>16065467
How does a low entropy state even appear to begin with? The universe should've stayed in a high entropy nothingness.

>> No.16065508

>>16063941
>If the universe always goes to a lower energy state
This is a meme. Energy is conserved, there isnt some universal run to "low energy state". I know you dont know what that means, yet you repeat the phrase because its a meme

>> No.16065513

>>16065486
>How does a low entropy state even appear to begin with?
Not the point.
You could have just asked where the energy comes from, or where any other number of things are not zero, such as mass or baryon number.
But you had to talk about "going to low energy state" because you dont think. You repeat cute sounds you hear online

>> No.16065515

>>16065486
I don't know. It's a question a lot of people have wondered before.

>> No.16065532

>>16065508
Energy should've been conserved at the level 0 if that was the case. You can't say energy has to be conserved and then have a mythological energy creating event that spat out all the energy we see.

>> No.16065574

>>16064301
Good post. I totally agree.