Comvince me a high meat diet isn't the best

[Anonymous No.16047395]

>Switch to a 90% meat and fat diet
>Suppliment with some fruit
>Literally every physical or mental problem I have dissappears within a week
>Lose 10 pounds a month every month of fat
So, at this point, it's beyond any reasonable doubt that the best possible diet for anyone is obviously a high meat diet. Now, the question becomes WHY is anyone still holding a different position? It's recently been proven that the carnivore diet can literally cure bipolar.

[Anonymous No.16047438]

You got rid of the sugar, the caffeine, and some Uber processed grains. Do not over estimate your diet, but there is merit there as well. Discern responsibly.

[Anonymous No.16047478]

You need to get out of reels or whatever zoomers do these days

[Anonymous No.16047480]

>>16047438
Yeah but it turns put that mitochondrial dysfunction is the main cause of all these horrible diseases plaguing us and that high meat diets basically cure incurable diseases.

[Anonymous No.16047535]

>>16047395
what do you eat for vit a, c, calcium?
i recommend carrots, yellow bell peppers and kefir

[Anonymous No.16048292]

>>16047395
We arent /fit/ fuck off

[Anonymous No.16048306]

>>16047438
literally this

[Anonymous No.16048308]

>>16047395
>Lose 10 pounds a month every month of fat
How fucking fat were you

[Anonymous No.16049406]

>>16047395
why would i want to do that? eating meat is good

[Anonymous No.16050087]

>>16047395
All the poor health started as people began to eat so much meat. Eating too much meat also makes you schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.16051135]

>>16050087
your vegan diet is causing your brain to decay

[Anonymous No.16051149]

>>16051135
No. Too much meat poisons you and makes you psychotic, as the body isn't built to process much meat.

[Anonymous No.16051165]

>>16047395
Your diet is almost definitely better than whatever you were doing before. You shouldn't conflate short term health impacts with long term impacts though. It might be true that meat makes you feel better and lose weight in the short term, but leads to increase risk of colon cancer, heart disease, etc in the long term. Dietary science is difficult!
Personally I think the most important thing is to cut the ultraprocessed goyslop which we pretty much know is terrible for us.

[Anonymous No.16051509]

>>16047535
>what do you eat for vit a, c, calcium?
for me? raw liver covers both vitamins, raw cheese for calcium
I do drink some milk but haven't found raw only low temp pasturized and unhomogenized

[Anonymous No.16051515]

>>16050087
>All the poor health started as people began to eat so much meat
people eat 80% vegan (grains), adding a bit of meat, which is the only redeeming quality of their diet, is not what's causing them health issues
how much meat is there in picrel?

[Anonymous No.16051844]

>>16051509
what is raw cheese?
100g of yellow bell pepper has 183mg, meanwhile
liver has 23mg vit c (you need 85) and 16,899 IU vit a (8 times the daily limit)
would you consider supplementing vit c with yellow bell pepper?

[Anonymous No.16051869]

>>16051844
>what is raw cheese?
le "real" parmesan or parmigiano reggiano
it's made from raw milk but they add salt to it
>(you need 85)
i don't NEED anything just because some government agency advices it, especially when the same agencies advice me to eat toxic vegetables and grains
I'll chew on an orange to get the juice out of it and spit out the indigestible fiber
>would you consider supplementing vit c with yellow bell pepper?
i don't mind bell peppers since they are a fruit but if I would be deficient in vitamin c I would just chew on more oranges instead since they are tastier

[Anonymous No.16052573]

>>16047395
it is the best doe

[Anonymous No.16052835]

stop eating fruit and you'll feel even better

[Anonymous No.16053763]

[Anonymous No.16054147]

>>16052835
convince me to better carb source

[Anonymous No.16054677]

>>16054147
>convince me to better carb source
i yield, I can't
>sweet, delicious
>easy to digest (especially if you juice them and discard of the fiber)
>unprocessed - as natural as contemporary food gets
>safe to eat raw
>hydrating
>filled with vitamins
the only other good source of carbs is raw milk

[Anonymous No.16054701]

>>16054677
There’s quinoa, although I’m sure schizos have an argument against quinoa since its leftist/vegan coded

[Anonymous No.16054799]

>>16054701
what about quinoa makes it a good source of carbohydrates?

[Anonymous No.16054802]

>>16054799
High protein, high antioxidants, and other benefits (vitamins, etc)

[Anonymous No.16054835]

>>16054802
>High protein
the bio-availability of proteins in plant foods is miniscule compared to animal foods, especially when cooked
>high antioxidants
the reason why quinoa, along with every other plant food, are considered "high in antioxidants" is because when you ingest them your body becomes inflamed and creates these compounds (antioxidants) to fight off the inflammation
same principle behind why retards nowadays think cold plunging is somehow beneficial for their health
>other benefits (vitamins, etc)
again, not as bio-available to humans as vitamins found in animal foods, look it up
it also contains anti-nutrients such as oxalates, lectins, saponins, phytic acids etc that inhibit the absorption of vitamins even further
not to mention vitamins also being destroyed when cooked
plants do not want to be eaten and they don't want you to eat their seeds
they wan't you to eat their fruits

[El Arcón No.16054863]

I find that meat is not really the tastiest ingredient as I get older. I still like it, but I keep liking other stuff more and more.

[Anonymous No.16054871]

>>16054835
>considered "high in antioxidants" is because when you ingest them your body becomes inflamed and creates these compounds (antioxidants) to fight off the inflammation
That’s not what antioxidants are. Anyone who has cooked with olive oil understands that antioxidants exist regardless of our bodies. They literally prevent oil from oxidizing in the pan
>vitamins in plants not as bioavailable
Not categorically true. Folates for example, equally bioavailable in beef liver and in orange juice. Differences in vitamin bioavailability are also often very small, much smaller than would be impactful on dietary needs.

[Anonymous No.16054886]

>>16054871
>That’s not what antioxidants are
can you explain what the antioxidant properties of quinoa are for the human body and how they work?
>Anyone who has cooked with olive oil
>cooked with olive oil
the little boy...
>>vitamins in plants not as bioavailable
>Not categorically true. Folates for example, equally bioavailable in beef liver and in orange juice
fruits are not plants

[Anonymous No.16054889]

>>16054886
>olive oil bad
>fruits are not plants
>antioxidants fake
Come on. You’re not gonna listen to anything I say. You’re off the wall man

[Anonymous No.16054903]

>>16054889
>>olive oil bad
when heated? most certainly
cold pressed extra virgin isn't as bad but why would you ever eat that instead of animal fats
>>fruits are not plants
fruits grow on plants, they aren't plants, they aren't vegetables - they're fruits
>>antioxidants fake
i was asking for your help to explain them to me

[Anonymous No.16054908]

>>16054903
Olive oil cooks well, because of the antioxidants.
Your plant/fruit pulpit is boring to me, sorry.
Antioxidants in the body can, for example (depending on type), neutralize oxidative compounds.

[Anonymous No.16054937]

>>16051509
Depending on which liver you eat, it might not have C. Beef liver does not contain very much C in spite of being the organ that produces it (the google search result links to the USDA page for pork liver). Whereas Beef Kidney and lung contains a more significant amount.
>>16051844
>23mg vit c (you need 85)
Part of the vitamin C requirements are for doing things like converting non-heme iron to heme-iron or having to compete with glucose. However, such a function is not required since heme iron is the form of iron in meat and, with a mostly meat diet, the glucose intake is much lower.
>16,899 IU vit a (8 times the daily limit)
Daily limit is somewhat arbitrary. There are known cases of retinol toxicity. However, it is usually in much higher doses than that and most of the observed cases of toxicity are from supplementation.

[Anonymous No.16054943]

>>16054937
Beef lung is nasty as fuck though. Absolute garbage tier dogshit. Worst meat hands down

[Anonymous No.16054946]

>>16054908
>Olive oil cooks well
kek
>Your plant/fruit pulpit
cry about it to botanists or something i dont care
>Antioxidants in the body can, for example (depending on type), neutralize oxidative compounds.
this doesn't answer my question at all, thanks

[Anonymous No.16054951]

>>16054946
>argues with everything nonsensically as predicted
>Never contributes anything interesting to convo
>makes up facts to suit his delusions
I knew that’s how this would go. just like I told you:
>Come on. You’re not gonna listen to anything I say. You’re off the wall man

[Anonymous No.16055050]

>>16054951
>green
>green
>green
you can squirm, cope and seethe all you want but you still haven't answered my question about antioxidants

[Anonymous No.16055065]

>>16055050
I did, and you’re being argumentative because you don’t know shit and just make it up as you argue along. That’s why all your replies are boring, unoriginal and contain zero information of any kind.

[Anonymous No.16055074]

>>16055065
>I did
no
>>16054946
>>Antioxidants in the body can, for example (depending on type), neutralize oxidative compounds.
this ^
doesn't answer
>>16054886
>can you explain what the antioxidant properties of quinoa are for the human body and how they work?
this ^
you haven't answered it because you know the antioxidants in quinoa do nothing beneficial for us, they're there for the benefit of the seed and not its consumer, much like the anti-nutrients I mentioned before

[Anonymous No.16055120]

>>16055074
Quinoa contains kaempferol, for example, which is a reducing agent. It literally fits exactly what I said (neutralize oxidative compounds in the body).
You’re, again, hopelessly ignorant and never provide any argument or evidence or interesting information of any kind. Just boring argumentative bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16055841]

>>16051165
> leads to increase risk of colon cancer, heart disease, etc in the long term.
fake and gay

[Anonymous No.16057265]

>>16055841
>eating meat prevents cancer
good to know, good paper

[Anonymous No.16058218]

>>16047438
caffeine is a nasty drug, addicts can't understand this because of their addiction, but if they could go a few days without it and then try it again they'd realize how it alters their personalities and makes them into repulsive morons with delusions of grandiosity

[Anonymous No.16059196]

>>16058218
Addicts are unable to see the negative effects of their addictions. Thats the nature of the addict, the addiction alters the brain and creates that blind spot.

[Anonymous No.16059207]

>>16047395
>Switch to a 90% meat and fat diet
imagine the shits

[Anonymous No.16060128]

>>16047395
Very similar story in the past months but it isn't the meat, it's primarily decreasing grains. One of my main food source is yoghurt now and I removed a lot of grains. the mental difference is actually insane and I've lost 10+ pounds easy. 10 years wasted being fucking grain brained, it hurts but I'm happy I finally realised I was being poisoned by following the food pyramid.

[Anonymous No.16060177]

>>16047395
>GRAINS AND GLUTEN ARE LE BAD PEASANT FEED
>LOOK AT CHAD MONGOLIAN VS. INCEL CHINESE
>okay_I'll_just_eat_animal_products_then.jpg
>cramp_and_diarrhea.png
>add white rice, avocado, some fresh cucumber and tomato
>still cramp_and_diarrhea.png
>add whole grains
>bowels happy again

Only one such case apparently.

[Anonymous No.16060242]

>>16047395
Losing 10 pounds a month of pure fat means you have an 1130 calorie deficit daily. I have also cut out all sneed oils and processed bullshit but the idea that you can lose 10 pounds of fat month after month unless you started freakishly obese is laughable.

[Anonymous No.16060276]

>>16054802
>high protein
>only 4.4g in a 100g serving
That's a low protein food. A high protein food has more like 20g or more protein per serving.
>high antioxidants, and other benefits (vitamins, etc)
Why not just eat fresh fruits and broccoli (has much more of this than quinoa) instead of a meme cereal

[Anonymous No.16060390]

>>16060276
why brocolli instead of egg of a chicken who was fed squash, cabbage, oats and dubias?
the best carb source is overnight oats

[Anonymous No.16060403]

>>16051844
Nigga learn how nutrition works. You are wrong. These isolated number approximations mean nothing. You can in fact get enough of that from simply eating muscle meat if it is fresh and not cooked too much. Don't even need to eat liver actually.

[Anonymous No.16060410]

>>16060403
Nigga learn how nutrition works. You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.16061065]

>>16060242
Not really, 1130 calorie deficit daily isn't all that much, especially when the diet you've switched to has a very long digestive profile. You can eat once a day without ever getting hungry if you're eating mainly meat.

[Anonymous No.16062060]

>>16060242
it becomes harder and harder as your base metabolic rate decreases, however adding muscle increases your base metabolic rate
>month after month
eventually you're going to run out of fat to lose

[Anonymous No.16062176]

>>16058218
What is exactly the problem with caffeine?

[Anonymous No.16063698]

>>16062176
are you addicted to caffeine?

[El Arcón No.16063705]

I find that vegetable side dishes (or similar) are becoming increasing delicious compared to main course meat dishes as I age.

[El Arcón No.16063706]

Caffeine is a beautiful thing.

[Anonymous No.16064477]

>>16053763
God i hate vegantards

Every single one i've met IRL so far has been a complete nutjob

[Anonymous No.16064565]

There seems to be a fairly big split itt about people who are for and against caffeine. It prob is fairly neutral in reality, couple drinks a day kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.16065376]

>>16064565
>It prob is fairly neutral in reality
when you compare it to other slop like sneed oils, hfcs, processed foods etc yeah who cares
however if you're trying to be a healthy human being then yes you will have to quit drinking caffeine and instead fix your diet/sleep/stress so that you aren't dependent on it anymore and can wake up refreshed every morning

[Anonymous No.16065393]

>>16065376
Do the benefits of high quality pesticide-free sencha / gyokuru not outweigh the downsides?

[Anonymous No.16065401]

>>16051509
You can get vit c from rose hip tea as well It's extremely high in vit c, and while it has some carbs, they are negligible, being that you aren't actually eating the plant matter. It won't knock you out of keto.

[Anonymous No.16065424]

>>16064477
I'm borderline frugivore, AMA

[Anonymous No.16065428]

>>16065424
I've also tried full meat keto 2 times for a week each, it was a debilitating experience. Many years ago. I've been vegetarian for more than 2 years, vegan/frugivore for 6 or so months.

[Anonymous No.16065431]

>>16065393
fermented tea (or kombucha) is the only kind of caffeine i would recommend but even then you shouldn't make it a habit
im a doctor btw and this is medical advice

[Anonymous No.16065782]

>>16065428
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

[Anonymous No.16065816]

>>16058218
I've gone up to months with no caffeine, no change.
I can cold turkey,with nothing but aslight headache.
you're a retard, probably a /pol/hard and nofapper.

[Anonymous No.16066003]

>>16058218
I'm sorry that you're autistic and/or an incel. Try speaking an opinion exactly like you wrote this post, in public, to everyday people. If you're not in mormon Utah you'll look like such a cringey nerd getting upset about literally nothing

[Anonymous No.16066008]

>>16047395
placebo

[Anonymous No.16066072]

>>16065424
what do you think about eggs and cheese

[Anonymous No.16066105]

>>16047395
What most people don't understand is that you need to eat all parts of the animal, not only the muscles. I am far too picky to eat anything else than muscles so that is not going to work for me.

[Anonymous No.16066227]

>>16065816
>>16066003
2 drug addicts feeling threatened that someone is talking negatively about their drug

[Anonymous No.16067173]

>>16066227
Thats how drug addiction affects the brain

[Anonymous No.16067368]

>>16066072
Eggs are best eaten raw, from birds on as much of a natural environment as possible. The best cheese for a human is from goat's milk, then sheep, ultimately cow. I personally like (liked) blue cheese a lot. Any type of industrial milk and it's derivatives is poison, even aside from what they purposefully do to the milk, but worse from the extreme stress the animal goes through when it is separated from it's calf and put into a box for extraction. You are what you eat. I heavily recommend artisanal handmade dairy products. Same for meat. The best case is if you can do it yourself.

[Anonymous No.16067761]

>>16067368
what do you think about alpaca milk

[Anonymous No.16068146]

>>16067761
Most based milk source, but rare. Someday I'll go north to Bolivia and give it a try.

[Anonymous No.16068772]

>>16067761
thats a llama, not an alpaca

[Anonymous No.16068826]

>>16047395
It's only good if you can get high-quality non-CWD (etc) meat from wild game. Otherwise you'll gulp antibiotics and other shit.
Your reasoning is shit though, because the culprit is not necessarily your meat intake, but rather the crap you cut out.

[Anonymous No.16068827]

>>16053763
I don't know where this meme comes from. All the vegan meat alternatives I can find in my local supermarket only contain natural ingredients.

[Anonymous No.16068865]

>>16068827
>natural ingredients.
Like oil, flour, sugar, emulsifier, artificial coloring and preservatives?

>vegan meat
Zero nutrition besides artificial vitamins and minerals. At least fermented s*y products like miso and natto are probiotic, contain some key nutrients like vitamin K2 and have an amino acid profile rivaling animal products.

Vegans who eat laboratory experiments end up on epitome of malnourishment videos.

[Anonymous No.16068919]

>>16068865
No. Like
>water, wheat flour, rapeseed oil, 9% onions protein, wheat gluten, oat fiber, starch, table salt, wheat starch, brandy vinegar, spices, sugar, psyllium husks, potato protein, yeast
or
>water, 26% ONIONS PROTEIN, spirit vinegar, rapeseed oil, table salt, spices, caramel
or
>water, rapeseed oil, paprika 8%, pea protein 4%, field bean protein 3%, thickener (euchema algae), pea flour, spice extracts, starch, coloring food (beet juice concentrate, paprika juice concentrate), spices.
Then again, I'm not US-American.

[Anonymous No.16068945]

>>16068919
>water, 26% ONIONS PROTEIN,
It's funny 'cause it's true. Imagine giving vegans such an ingredient list and asking them what it is.

[Anonymous No.16068951]

>>16058218
I switched from normal coffee to decaf and nothing's changed. Now normal coffee only has a slightly stronger effect.

[Anonymous No.16068969]

>>16047395
yep, animal protein and animal fats are the most nutritious thing that can be eaten, and farmers and ranchers and zoologists rely on this fact being true every day.

[Anonymous No.16068976]

>>16068969
Eggs are better.

[Anonymous No.16068993]

>>16068919
>>16068827
>All the vegan meat alternatives I can find in my local supermarket only contain natural ingredients.
what does "natural" mean to you?
most of the things you listed are not found in nature except for water, sugar, salt and possibly some of the spices

[Anonymous No.16069175]

>>16068969
>doesn't know about algae
>doesn't know about fatty seeds
>doesn't even know about eggs

[Anonymous No.16069203]

>>16069175
>>doesn't know about algae
>>doesn't know about fatty seeds
what is bio availability of nutrients
what are anti nutrients
>doesn't even know about eggs
eggs are animal proteins and fats

[Anonymous No.16069326]

>>16069203
>what is bio availability of nutrients
>what are anti nutrients

there is soaking, roasting, sprouting, grinding for that

[Anonymous No.16069386]

>>16068993
??
Are you retarded?
Natural = not artificial. None of the things I copy-pasted are artificial.
>hurrrr if I hammer oats or grind wheat it's not muh natural anymore

[Anonymous No.16069387]

>>16068865
>Zero nutrition besides artificial vitamins and minerals
Would you say the B12 in the meat you eat is natural?

[Anonymous No.16070040]

>>16068976
thats animal protein and animal fats

[Anonymous No.16070185]

>>16047395
I dunno about 90% meat, but I would strongly recommend NOT doing 100% meat diet. Despite "studies" it's a way to the early grave.

[Anonymous No.16070261]

>>16070040
An egg is not an animal.

[Anonymous No.16070279]

>>16069386
>>hurrrr if I hammer oats or grind wheat it's not muh natural anymore
this but unironically
you can't eat oats or wheat in any significant quantity unless you denature them, because you would die
you can eat meat until you are satiated, even if you do not denature it, and you would be perfectly fine
by your definition literally nothing ever made can be considered unnatural

[Anonymous No.16070288]

>>16069326
yes, you have to process them and heat them or they would be inedible (because of the toxins) unfortunately heat all but destroys the nutrients and you're left with scraps
this is why vegans feel FULL after a meal but never SATIATED

[Anonymous No.16070303]

>>16069387
>Would you say the B12 in the meat you eat is natural?
yes
nta btw

[Anonymous No.16070414]

>>16070279
>by your definition literally nothing ever made can be considered unnatural
This is not even remotely what I said. Why is reading comprehension on this board so low?
>>16070303
But it comes from pills that are fed to the live stock (cobalt in case of ruminants), because our souls suck so much. When you say that this process is natural, vegans are all natural as well, right?

[Anonymous No.16070493]

>>16051515
lmao just realised people would freak out over muh two patties of fat but that meal is like 5% protein and fats and the rest is sugar/carbs. Haven't eaten McDonald's in years. The only good thing from that place is the sauce on the big mac. I'd probably be a fatty if I was allowed to only get the sauce.

[Anonymous No.16070577]

>>16070414
>But it comes from pills that are fed to the live stock
there's cobalt in the soil
as long as you eat grass fed beef it's naturally occurring in the animal

[Anonymous No.16070709]

>>16070414
>This is not even remotely what I said.
ok my mistake
can you explain what the difference of natural vs artificial is for you?

[Anonymous No.16070715]

>>16070493
>lmao just realised people would freak out over muh two patties of fat but that meal is like 5% protein and fats and the rest is sugar/carbs
yup, this is why almost any diet is better than the standard american diet
you could probably eat gravel and be healthier just by virtue of avoiding all the slop

[Anonymous No.16070752]

>>16070288
>you have to process them and heat them or they would be inedible (because of the toxins)

wtf, are you talking about legumes? I am talking about high fat seeds, like chia, flax, sunflower, nuts, etc. Even in the case of almonds, these can be eaten raw, tho I highly recommend to soak them first. You don't need heat for eating any of those, heat is only used for making them tastier (roasted hazelnuts are yummy). And no it does not destroy nutrients (specially minerals), I think it would at max destroy and/or mobilize water soluble vitamins, like vit c, but who the fuck eats seeds for vitamin c? Do you eat meat raw for nutrientmaxxing? Or you prefer it a little bit denaturalized but with great flavor?

[Anonymous No.16070821]

>>16070577
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030270863536
>Cobalt and copper have been recognized as dietary essentials for ruminants since the 1930s, and deficiencies of both minerals have occurred under natural grazing conditions in many countries of the world
>>16070709
What I said earlier. Can you find it in nature? Then it's natural. Grinding oats does not change that they can be found in nature. Everything artificial is not natural, like lots of artificial colorings and preservatives.

[Anonymous No.16070876]

>>16070821
according to that link only a handful of places in the u.s. have a cobalt deficiency in legumes (not necessarily in their soil)
the biggest producers of beef in the u.s are texas, oklahoma, missouri, nebraska, north/south dakota, kansas, montana, kentucky, florida
if I bought grass fed beef from any of those places you would agree then it hasn't been supplemented with cobalt since there's no deficiency of it in the soil?

[Anonymous No.16071514]

>>16070876
Try finding a source that isn't 50 years old and you'll see. Nearly everybody supplements.

[Anonymous No.16071857]

>>16071514
you linked a source that you didnt even read and now that you realise it doesn't support your argument it's actually just old and outdated?

[Anonymous No.16072582]

>>16071857
How does it not support my argument? Maybe you need to reread what exactly I said.
I'm talking about the pic you posted. Where and when is it from (I'm saying check the source)? See.
https://www.feedstrategy.com/blogs/feed-ingredient-insights/blog/15445375/cobalt-or-vitamin-b12-for-ruminant-feeds
>Ruminants are routinely supplied with cobalt to aid synthesis of vitamin B12, by bacteria in the rumen. This is needed for bacterial growth per se because these bacteria are central in ruminant nutrition physiology. Later on, such bacterial B12 is absorbed by the animal, covering its needs. Modern thinking, however, has questioned this practice. Here is why.
https://library.dpird.wa.gov.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3204&context=journal_agriculture4
> In all such cases it is
essential to provide ruminants with a
mineral supplement containing cobalt, if
loss of appetite on a cereal ration is to be
avoided
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311527948_Cobalt_supplementation_alone_or_in_combination_with_vitamin_B_and_selenium_Effects_on_lamb_performance_and_mineral_status
>It is concluded that supplementation with Co increased lamb performance after weaning, that response to supplementation increased as the grazing season progressed, and that no extra benefit in performance resulted from augmenting supplementary Co with B12 and Se
Cobalt supplementation is undeniably and extremely common. Even if farmers in Oklahoma did not supplement, it does not affect my original statement. You seem to have projected "Literally all farmers supplement all ruminants with cobalt".

[Anonymous No.16072688]

>>16072582
Athletes used to take Co, and it worked so well that it got banned as doping.

[Anonymous No.16073409]

>>16048292

[Anonymous No.16077635]

>>16072582
>https://www.feedstrategy.com/blogs/feed-ingredient-insights/blog/15445375/cobalt-or-vitamin-b12-for-ruminant-feeds
>loss of appetite on a cereal ration
not relevant to anything we're talking about since I'm arguing for grass feed beef
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311527948_Cobalt_supplementation_alone_or_in_combination_with_vitamin_B_and_selenium_Effects_on_lamb_performance_and_mineral_status
this is a study of the effect of supplementation, not its prevalence, besides it's talking about lamb, not beef
are you reading any of these links or are you just linking them and hoping you look intelligent?
so you have spent another hour writing this pilpul without addressing my previous reply at all? you even dug up some irrelevant documents from 1962?
>it does not affect my original statement. You seem to have projected "Literally all farmers supplement all ruminants with cobalt".
your original statement implied that meat has unnatural b12 because the animals are being supplemented with (natural) cobalt
just answer my question please:
if I eat grass fed beef from any area with soil that isn't lacking in cobalt, they are in fact not being supplemented with cobalt (much less b12) because it's not necessary, correct?

[Anonymous No.16078288]

>>16068865
>vegan meat
no such thing. why do vegans want to eat meat anyway?

[Anonymous No.16079812]

>>16070261
it is in terms of nutrition

[Anonymous No.16079833]

>>16078288
>why do vegans want to eat meat anyway?
it's a mental illness where they deluded themselves into thinking taste and looks is all that matters when it comes to food and not its nutritional value

[Anonymous No.16079835]

>>16048292
post body

[Anonymous No.16080265]

>>16079812
so mushroom is animal too
milk is animal as well
and let me tell you that blood is animal as well

[Anonymous No.16080313]

>>16079835
post nose

[Anonymous No.16080503]

>>16065393
What benefits? There are none in reality, health wise. Drugs are neurotoxins but more so tea and coffee have many other nasty things in them such as tanins.

[Anonymous No.16080541]

>>16080503
please explain, anon. make me a tea-totaler, senpai.

[Anonymous No.16080548]

>>16047395

[Anonymous No.16081845]

>>16058218
I have an addictive personality.
I literally go 11/10 on anything I do.
I became addicted to caffeine to the point I was drinking between 2lts and 3 lts of caffine per day.
> I have a big cup of 500ml I was drinking 2,3,4 or even 6 of those by day
I also drank energetic drinks and took caffeine suplements.
I almost had a psychotic breakdown.
My mind broke... I couldn't think.
I was always smart but at this point my academic performance went completely to the shitter.
The worst part is that the combination of anxiety + bad academic performance + reinforced behavior made me develop a sort of "PTSD" with the academic enviroment.
Even after I stopped drinking caffeine I had sort of panic attacks when I wanted to do an exam or an university project.
I went from really smart kid with good qualifications and a bright future to the dude that lost his job, abandoned his masters degree and now is basically a neet.
I'm still trying to recover but is hard.

So yes anon.
Please take care of your mental health.
Be carefull to not fall into addictions, any addictions. From sugar, to pornography and masturbation to caffeine.
Just because others are able to handle it doesn't mean that you will.
If you have a personality prone to addictions then you should seriously take seriously the practice of "stoicism" and "mindfullness" and to create healthy habits.

Last and more important. Take into consideration that when you are tripping in your addictions you are extremely susceptible to develop traumas.
Your altered state of mind make you prone to behavioral conditioning. If you condition yourself into maladaptative behavior you need to acknowledge that and do everything to recondition yourself and fix that shit.

[Anonymous No.16081878]

>>16081845
>prone to addiction
This is a lie to hypnotize submissive people into addiction.

[Anonymous No.16082018]

>>16081878
You have people that are more susceptible to fall into addiction than others.

[Anonymous No.16082852]

>>16068827
>natural ingredients.
Daily reminder that uranium literally is a NATURAL ingredient.
>mmmm all natural!

[Anonymous No.16083121]

>>16082018
Rephrasing of the same lie for the same purpose.

[Anonymous No.16083146]

>>16047395
100% meat diet is best for you because youre a retard who should die.

[Anonymous No.16083181]

>>16083146
t. least miserable vegan

[Barkon No.16083183]

>>16083181
>t. fag

[Anonymous No.16083782]

eggs are good for you

[Anonymous No.16085000]

>>16083782

[Anonymous No.16086101]

>>16083146
how come dietary diversity upsets you so badly?

[Anonymous No.16086122]

>>16047395
>>Lose 10 pounds a month every month of fat
A gram of fat has 9 kcal. Losing 5 kg per month means you're short 45,000 kcal per month, or 1,500 kcal per day. Yeah I'm calling bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16087074]

>>16086122
just because you don't have the willpower to do that doesn't mean everyone is as weak willed as you are

[Anonymous No.16088520]

>>16086122
eat a dozen hard boiled eggs a day and nothing other than celery. there you go, you're way more than 1500 cal a day short.
its that easy

[Anonymous No.16088635]

>>16081878
>hypnotize submissive people into addiction.
hot

[Anonymous No.16089100]

>>16086101
vegans hate people who are different from themselves, they're very closed minded

[Anonymous No.16090023]

>>16083782
>this egg killed over 6 zogillion jews

[Anonymous No.16091725]

>>16047395
Eating 2 or 3 pounds of steak a day is expensive
Thats the only argument I can come up with against it

[Anonymous No.16091768]

>>16047395
Yeah well what are us people who hate fruit supposed to do? The only fruits I like are avocado and capsicum.

[Anonymous No.16091778]

>>16048292
damn right you aren't, fatty

[Anonymous No.16092840]

>>16091725
>Eating 2 or 3 pounds of steak a day is expensive
that's why god invented organ meats

[Anonymous No.16093305]

>>16091768
just eat meat instead, its good for you

[Anonymous No.16093341]

Everyone saying the grains are an issue: is even white rice bad?

[Anonymous No.16093416]

I don't think caffeine, sugar, alcohol and maybe even gluten is helping my mental health

[Anonymous No.16093453]

>>16047480
okay but my mitochondria are measurably better than yours and I eat only a modest amount of meat to supplement iron and protein.

[Anonymous No.16093600]

>>16093416
>caffeine
Black coffee is beneficial, energy drinks and gaybucks is not

[Anonymous No.16094983]

>>16093600
caffeine is an addictive drug and you are a drug addict. you insist that the drug you're addicted to is beneficial because you're terrified at the prospect of giving up your addiction

[Anonymous No.16095609]

>>16092840
My local grocery store doesn't carry them, I have to drive to a German specialty butcher to get stuff like liver and its across the river so its annoying to go there.

[Anonymous No.16097272]

>>16051149

[Anonymous No.16097404]

>>16097272
Too much meat poisons you. B12 is a problem because of the lack of cobalt, even animals need to be supplemented.

[Anonymous No.16098754]

>>16090023
If only it were true

[Anonymous No.16099108]

>>16094983
What can I do if I cannot function properly without caffeine? I've tried twice in my life to go through everyday life without it, for about half a year both times, and I never recovered from the low energy state I found myself in.

[Anonymous No.16100171]

>>16068772
No it isn't, its clearly an alpaca

[Anonymous No.16101958]

>>16083782
yes they are

[Anonymous No.16102707]

>>16050087
>All the poor health started as people began to eat so much meat
Absolute fucking retard. It is literally the opposite. Grains are shit slave food. Meat and dairy consumers mog vegans in every metric.

[Anonymous No.16102744]

>>16102707
massive dude like that and he didn't probably didn't even make it out of the regional bokh tournament. mongolia could easily be just as developed and "modern" as china, but they just don't want to be.

[Anonymous No.16102800]

>>16058218
Kek got all these stimulant addicts upset

[Anonymous No.16104093]

>>16102800
They only get angry because they're in denial about their drug addiction

[Anonymous No.16104334]

>>16047395
I can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpnlnaar9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvszzgYRjU

[Anonymous No.16104749]

>>16047395
how do you afford it though, meat is pricey

[Anonymous No.16104833]

>>16104749
Yeah dude. Just fucking jew yourself on your own food aka fuel. Just don't spend money on your own fuel. Why in the fuck would you eat good? More money to pay Shekelstein for useless shit you don't need, right?

[Anonymous No.16104863]

>>16067368
What are you worried about in "industrial" milk? Quantify it.

[Anonymous No.16105587]

[Anonymous No.16105670]

>>16105587
The fuck do you want 100 grams of protein for?

[Anonymous No.16105678]

>>16058218
>it alters their personalities and makes them into repulsive morons with delusions of grandiosity
Caffeine does no such thing. I'm on and off caffeine for months at a time and don't notice any difference.
>>16068951
Same. You just need to find a decaf that tastes good (they exist, mostly in the more expensive, organic space) and deal with those 2-3 days of headaches as soon as you stop drinking regular coffee. Recently I've only been consuming decaf or green tea, in moderate amounts, and I feel better, but I don't have a different personality.

[Anonymous No.16105698]

>>16051165
>meat
>leads to increase risk of colon cancer
Wrong. Only meat processed with nitrites and nitrates does. Hot dogs, cooked ham, spam, sausages, most types of bacon, and such. Otherwise it's arguably very healthy.

[Anonymous No.16105707]

>>16105670
Gout and an early grave

[Anonymous No.16106663]

>>16105707
protein doesn't cause gout

[Anonymous No.16106933]

>>16093600
>le beneficial
it isn't, but you can keep coping that it is, druggie

[Anonymous No.16106976]

>>16099108
if you're low energy without caffeine, you're low energy with caffeine, because caffeine doesn't give you energy, simple as
anyway, you could be suffering from any number things:
>not getting enough (good) sleep
common for wage cucks who use an alarm to wake up instead of waking up naturally
>not eating a nutritious diet
common for fags who think vegetables, grains etc are human food
>messed up circadian rhythm
common for neets, gamers and people who live in the northern hemisphere
>stress
etc
either way it's a terrible decision to start drinking coffee to "function properly"

[Anonymous No.16108031]

>>16106933
drug addicts always come up with lies to explain why they need their drug and how its good for them and they can't live without it, thats how drug addiction works, the addiction modifies their thinking process

[Anonymous No.16108556]

>>16047395
>Comvince me a high meat diet isn't the best
NO, you fatfuck, you ain't my boss.

[Anonymous No.16108562]

>>16105587
The problem is that it took 10 acres of agricultural space to produce the left, and half an acre to produce the right.

[Anonymous No.16108649]

>>16108562
#veganism
(but not actually cause lol vegans)

[Anonymous No.16109519]

>>16108562
chickens are more productive than plants are, they have a lower carbon footprint too

[Anonymous No.16110220]

>>16106663
Gout's most common dietary comorbidity is alcohol

[Anonymous No.16111490]

>>16109519
This, farming vegetables requires massive amounts of tractor usage and real estate, raising animals is far less carbon intensive because the animals will walk to their food and then walk back into the barn, they even walk into the slaughterhouse

[Anonymous No.16112693]

>>16047395
Eating meat is good for you, failure to do so causes a long list of health problems

[Anonymous No.16112868]

>>16047395
>So, at this point, it's beyond any reasonable doubt that the best possible diet for anyone is obviously a high meat diet.
Because it worked for you? So people have done the opposite, gone plant based, and healed all sorts of problems. Does that mean you should follow suit, or, and this is crazy, do some people do better on different diets?

[Anonymous No.16113579]

>>16112868
Your preferred diet is cock

[Anonymous No.16113580]

>>16047395
>Lose 10 pounds a month every month of fat
No you didn't.

[Anonymous No.16113585]

>>16113580
undereating by 1100 calories a day isn't that much of a big deal, lardass. learn some self control

[Anonymous No.16113669]

>>16112868
>do some people do better on different diets?
no, you're not a special snowflake
the reason why you would see improvements on nearly any diet is because the average diet is terrible
not eating processed foods is what's causing the improvements
vegetarianism, but veganism especially, is gonna make you feel bloated and full but not satiated
eating meat is what makes you feel good, full and satiated
theres a simple reason why meat tastes good, it's because if the nutrients it provides
theres not a special flower diet that works for some people - every human thrives on animal foods

[Anonymous No.16113691]

>>16113669
Then why is it taboo to boil a steak?

[Anonymous No.16113753]

>>16113669
The irony of your post is I actually did two months on carnivore, while already in good health, and had terrible results (low energy, unwanted weight loss, decrease in strength). I'm not arguing some meat is fine, I am arguing that 90%+ is not going to work for some people, possibly a lot of people, who are already in good health. Look around at various keto and carnivore groups, almost invariably the best results come from people were started out very overweight or had serious autoimmune issues. You (or OP if it's not you) even mentioned there being physical and mental problems that cleared up. Your digestion is fucked. Avoiding most food besides meat basically avoids most allergenic triggers. It's an elimination diet, and probably won't do much for people who don't have food triggers.

[Anonymous No.16113760]

>>16113669
>eating meat is what makes you feel good, full and satiated
Oh, and this part is bullshit too. I'm a BMI of about 20. I was eating 3500+ calories per day and absolutely starving.

>theres a simple reason why meat tastes good, it's because if the nutrients it provides
Fruit tastes good. Sweet potatoes taste good. Milk tastes good. Various vegetables taste good. It's somewhat subjective, ya know? Try feeding a toddler some meat, some may like it, some hate it. Most like fruit. So meat is apparently an acquired taste to some degree.

[Anonymous No.16113762]

>>16093453
Coping fatty ass

[Anonymous No.16113770]

>>16093453
FYI, Increasing lactic acid threshold can happen whether you're high carb or low carb, and it's pretty specific to the area you're working. So if you're on a bike, it's going to be primarily legs. That leaves most of the upper body untouched. Ergometer is more full body if you know how to do it properly.

[Anonymous No.16113781]

>>16054937
>There are known cases of retinol toxicity.
Vitamin A/Retinol being a poison is growing in popularity. Some people have found great results not going keto/carnivore, but simply limiting foods high in Vitamin A. Dr. Chaffee, who's been carnivore longer than most people, thinks organ meats are unnecessary and possibly even harmful. Low carb has helped many people even when meat made up only a small part of the diet.

[Anonymous No.16114266]

>>16113753
>The irony of your post is I actually did two months on carnivore
>I followed a fad diet and didn't feel good
many such cases
you should eat what you crave, always
as long as it's a whole food and unprocessed, you should always listen to what your body asks for you to eat
if you purposefully avoid some food because your made up diet tells you to then yeah, you're not gonna feel well
>Avoiding most food besides meat basically avoids most allergenic triggers
curious, I wonder why this is
>Oh, and this part is bullshit too. I'm a BMI of about 20. I was eating 3500+ calories per day and absolutely starving.
>muh calories
again, you followed a fad diet and wonder why you felt bad
eat for nutrition, not for calories
>It's somewhat subjective, ya know?
it isn't, it's just societal conditioning
no human in nature would choose to eat most of what the average person consumes today unless they were starving and had no other choice
but we're brainwashed from birth not to eat too much meat and eat more grains and vegetables instead
we're also told never to eat raw meat because it's le dangerous, meanwhile every animal in nature, humans included, have been eating raw meat since forever
retards can't fathom this though unless you serve it to them under a known name like some of the dishes in picrel
>Try feeding a toddler some meat, some may like it, some hate it.
either you feed your kids processed garbage or you don't have kids

[Anonymous No.16114338]

>>16114266
I tried carnivore for several particular reasons. Its followers claim it is very nutrition since meat, especially beef, is very nutrient dense. Note this was after several months on a more low carb flexible diet that included vegetables. I wasn't happy with the results of that, so I decided to step it up. In the end I found the amount of meat disgusting. I started mixing salads and macadamia nuts back into the rotation. Eventually I abandoned it altogether.

>but we're brainwashed from birth not to eat too much meat and eat more grains and vegetables instead
I don't know. My parents encouraged me to eat the portion of meat on my plate. I always wanted everything else. Meat is just not something I enjoy in any large quantity. A small portion is good. I know some people who have gone carnivore love it because they love meat, so that's great. Others lose weight because they actually find themselves disgusted by meat at a certain point, but with that being the only option they ended up slashing their calories. Nice weight loss tool when used right, not so great when you already struggle to keep weight on.

>curious, I wonder why this is
Most people, not everyone, tolerates red meat just fine (my cousin actually can't tolerate it, but I think that's unusual). If they have a damaged gut, it's probable that just about everything gives them problems. A nutritious food that they can tolerate can be a god send if they've had gut issues for a while. People have improved all kinds of autoimmune issues that I assume were being provoked by something they were eating. One thing I've wondered is whether they can eventually diversify their diet or if it will always be restricted. For example, if you already have a lack of oxalate degrading bacteria compared to the normal person, and you start avoiding oxalates, you're probably going to diminish the bacteria even further. Results seem to vary though.

[Anonymous No.16114344]

>>16114266
>we're also told never to eat raw meat because it's le dangerous
Freshly killing an animal and immediately eating the meat raw is probably fine. Most people don't have that option.

>either you feed your kids processed garbage or you don't have kids
Kids like hamburgers, which is more than just meat. They often don't like steaks. Certainly they want something to go with it. They also tend to love fruit, and will eat a lot of it, enough that would give most low carbers a stroke. Is that healthy or unhealthy that they're preferring the sugary food to meat? It happens before they can even develop a learned taste, it's what they gravitate to.

[Anonymous No.16114972]

>>16113691
it isn't, but most people use cheaper cuts of beef for stews and soups and save the steak cuts for steak preparations.

[Anonymous No.16114978]

>>16047395
Started carnivore 45 days ago. I basically only eat steak, eggs, liver, chicken, fish roe, fish, cheese, butter.
I lost 5-6 kg (79 --> 73 kg) (5'10"), my psoriasis has gotten better, my acne got much clearer, I have more energy throughout the day. My body and face is much less "puffy" or bloated. No issues in the stool (>muh fiber). Never been better.
I plan on doing this for at least 3 months, then seeing if I would like to modify it a bit (e.g. add a little bit of fruit or rice) or keep at it.

[Anonymous No.16114997]

>>16114972
Let's not ignore the elephant. Yes vegans are brewing plants like witches and alchemists because their malnourished brains are in denial that their quest to recreate meaty flavors is a mental illness caused by nutrient deficiencies. Carnivores are not different though: pan searing, barbecuing, pot roasting and such are likewise attempts to create a balance of sweet, sour, salt and bitter taste signalling a preferably omnivorous diet. So this is deceptive:
>theres a simple reason why meat tastes good, it's because if the nutrients it provides

[Anonymous No.16115349]

>>16114997
>Carnivores are not different though: pan searing, barbecuing, pot roasting and such are likewise attempts to create a balance of sweet, sour, salt and bitter taste signalling a preferably omnivorous diet.
Some of it might just be for the variety, though. Most carnivore followers also eschew spices, salt is the only flavoring they use. If you're having flank steak every night and you don't adore meat, then changing the way you cook it might help. Carnivore is a bit like the peasant diet, options are limited and it gets boring fast. People are less prone to overeating when they don't have a lot of variety, which is part of why it's so popular for weight loss.

[Anonymous No.16115983]

>>16114997
>attempts to create a balance of sweet, sour, salt and bitter taste
do you think humans in nature like eating sour, salt and bitter tasting foods?
>So this is deceptive
it's not because meat tastes good even if it's raw, you can't say the same of vegetables
would you rather eat only raw meat or only raw vegetables?
would you rather eat only cooked meat or only cooked vegetables?
everyone agrees they would rather eat meat, even vegans, that's why they think they're being noble by not eating meat, it's part of their self-hatred ritual

[Anonymous No.16116017]

>>16114997
humans became carnivores when we developed tools to kill animals and open their hides with, all other carnivores use their teeth for those purposes.
as a result we never developed strong teeth, instead we used our strong brains instead to develop other methods of softening meat to make it more edible, such as cooking it. in modern times nearly all raw meat dishes use ground meat to make them more edible or fish, which are already fairly soft to begin with.

[Anonymous No.16116100]

>>16115983
>do you think humans in nature like eating sour, salt and bitter tasting foods?
Hunter and gatherers do consume those foods. It takes some learned behavior obviously. Of course people from the tropics eat mostly fruit. Humans evolved to eat everything because they learned to eat what was available. In a warmer climate that might have meant plenty of fruit. In a colder climate meat may have been preferable. Tubers were being cooked over 100k years ago. Anything that is plentiful and can supply plenty of calories can be desirable. It doesn't have to be meat and fat, though those certainly fit that criteria. It also doesn't mean that food is inherenty better for us. If it got you through breeding age then what happened afterward is irrelevant, it just needed to keep you alive and healthy enough to have offspring.

[Anonymous No.16116229]

>>16116100
>Hunter and gatherers do consume those foods
how do you think humans in nature determine whether something is edible or not?

[Anonymous No.16116230]

>>16116229
not just from taste

[Anonymous No.16116255]

>>16116230
very insightful
if they find a fruit that looks juicy and delicious but it tastes bitter, you're saying they will add it to their diet?

[Anonymous No.16116282]

>>16047395
Animal protein has the best amino acid balance, but it doesn't specifically have to be meat as milk and eggs also have very high DIAAS scores. For example corn is low in lysine, but milk has plenty so if you put milk on cornflakes it's fine.Fish is easier to digest than meat. It's also a highly bioavailable source of omega-3 fatty acids, which you won't get from land animals.
Most people don't need as much omega-3 as they think though. The problem is that it competes with omega-6 for absorption, so if you have too much of one you end up deficient in the other. Frying everything in vegetable oil like a Western fast food joint will therefore make you omega-3 deficient even if your actual omega-3 intake is sufficient.
If you do eat a high meat diet it's important to eat organs, as that's where most of the vitamins are. You need either organs or vegetables to get sufficient vitamin content in your food.

[Anonymous No.16117705]

>>16116282
eggs are meat. saying eggs aren't meat is like saying veal isn't meat

[Anonymous No.16117718]

>>16116017
I highly recommend making beef tartare with 1-2cm sized cubes. It's a much more satisfying chewing experience than minced. Cooking is primarily preservation and hygiene for questionably sourced meat.

[Anonymous No.16117939]

>>16117705
>eggs are meat.
they're a type of animal food but they're not meat, bucko

[Anonymous No.16118464]

>>16117939
eggs are meat, sorry of that upsets you, but they are.

[Anonymous No.16119972]

>>16116100
>Humans evolved to eat everything
nope, humans have been carnivores since the invention of pointy rocks about 4 million years ago.
agriculture is just a cope

[Anonymous No.16120537]

>>16119972
Agriculture was originally invented as a way to feed herded animals over winter without migrating. Its was never anyone's intention for humans to be eating crops.

[Anonymous No.16123043]

>>16116229
advertising

[Anonymous No.16123839]

>>16118464
This is the one secret fact that prevents vegetarians from decaying mentally the way vegans do. By absurdly imagining eggs aren't meat they allow themselves to access the nutrition needed to keep their brains intact.
>This thing that has all the same nutritional qualities as meat and comes out of animals' vagina isn't meat because reasons and stuff or something

[Anonymous No.16124912]

>>16118464
An eggshell is the egg's exoskeleton

[Anonymous No.16126124]

>>16124912
it is
bones and eggshell are both made of calcium.
birds are a transitional form between bugs and mammals

[Anonymous No.16126733]

>>16047395
>Comvince me a high meat diet isn't the best
it is the best tho
my favorite diet is steaks and apples.

[Anonymous No.16127828]

>>16111490
Cows have been bred to be livestock for so long that they actually want to become burgers, its in their DNA to become food for humans

[Anonymous No.16128193]

>>16127828
They don't look happy going to the slaughterhouse. One day we might get there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HLy27bK-wU

[Anonymous No.16129578]

>>16128193
They love getting milked

[Anonymous No.16130194]

Because I did it and my cholesterol is too high. Somebody please help me wtf do I do.

[Saint. Barkon No.16130195]

>>16129578
Milk my fart faggit. Now.

[Anonymous No.16130238]

>>16047395
Meat makes me want to puke, i eat small ammounts of meat for protein sake but i cant bear the taste of meat
What can i do?

[Anonymous No.16130494]

>>16130194
>my cholesterol is too high
sir, the year is 2024

[Anonymous No.16130968]

>>16105587

[Anonymous No.16131328]

>>16130494
And what of it? I’m genetically predisposed to atherosclerosis.

[Anonymous No.16131342]

>>16047395
>Comvince me a high meat diet isn't the best:
Why? You can eat rotten meat for all I care.

[Anonymous No.16131352]

>>16130968
The vegan counterargument is that protein requirements are correlated with physical exertion: for example 15% protein from 3000 calories = 100 gram of protein which is considered adequate for muscle building. Carbs prevent protein wasting and help physical activity.

[Anonymous No.16131438]

>>16130968
>rice
or just not eat the rice

[Anonymous No.16131442]

>>16130968
Tell me how you need to eat less than 730 calories, or more than 100g of protein.

[Anonymous No.16131504]

>>16105698
>pigs are fed literal trash, including shit, rotten meat, paper and plastic
>eating pigs gives you parasites and cancer
really makes u think

[Anonymous No.16131511]

>>16065816
If there's no difference, why do you take caffeine?

[Anonymous No.16131528]

>>16108562
No, that's not even a remotely accurate conversion ratio

[Anonymous No.16131556]

>>16108562
In 10 acres you can fit 50 chickens.

[Anonymous No.16131567]

>>16064477
What I find worse is that when I've tried to pooint out to people in the sort of health food community that I don't mind what I eat but I've had real problems with a minority of unhinged psychotic vegans they get extremely defensive about it.

What's the problem why are they defending psychopaths?

[Anonymous No.16131584]

>>16047395
Those losses will be countered by all the butt tumors

[Anonymous No.16131784]

>>16131584
Gay vegan tumors?

[Anonymous No.16131961]

>>16131328
yes and cholesterol is not he cause of that
get with the times, gramps

[Anonymous No.16131970]

>>16131328
go read malcolm kendrick

[Anonymous No.16131998]

why are there like 3 or 4 clear christard morons on this board who constantly post the most retarded shit?

[Anonymous No.16132762]

>>16131998
>why are there like 3 or 4 clear christard morons on this board who constantly post the most retarded shit?

[Saint. Barkon No.16132763]

>>16132762

[Anonymous No.16133116]

>>16047438
fpbp, to add: most stuff in the food industry is shit and restricting the bad is good, so a restrictive diet can help (unless its a vegan diet)

[Anonymous No.16134069]

>>16047395
I would try to convince you of that only because if I could that would mean more meat for me, but I can't think up any good reasons I could use to convince you and I'm not a poorfag so I can afford meat either way (even if I was a poorfag I could afford meat because I get hams for 49¢ a pound and chickens for 99¢

[Anonymous No.16134971]

>>16114344
>Freshly killing an animal and immediately eating the meat raw is probably fine. Most people don't have that option.

actually just sience, here in germany you can even eat raw pork because 100% of sloughthered pigs get lab tested for trichinella,
which means the one or two positive pigs dont end up in food and they also trace it back to the farmer and put the whole farm under quarantaine.

[Anonymous No.16135561]

>>16134971
mett

[Anonymous No.16136644]

>>16058218
caffeine addicts are all scumbags just like any other drug addicts, the big difference is that caffeine addicts have worse halitosis

[Anonymous No.16137928]

>>16136644
>the big difference is that caffeine addicts have worse halitosis
This is true beyond doubt. People who drink coffee all smell like they ate shit for breakfast

[Anonymous No.16138630]

>>16097404
wrong

[Anonymous No.16139603]

>>16138630
Eskimos lived on a diet that was 100% meat and they never went extinct or suffered any consequences from it

[Anonymous No.16141195]

>>16139603
The fact that they living in such a harsh environment really preserved them a lot better than other primitive cultures managed, nobody wanted to colonize very much of their territory yet.

[Anonymous No.16141371]

>>16108562
What about vertical farms?

[Anonymous No.16141399]

>>16108562

Chickens have a feed conversion ratio of around 1.5 (feed/growth) so your figure seems off

[Anonymous No.16142770]

>>16141399
vegans have reduced IQ, thats why they can't do math or understand science

[Anonymous No.16142786]

>>16108562
LMAO, you are complete imbecile moron.

[Anonymous No.16143670]

>>16047395
I do bad on an all meat keto type diet but really well on a 50% meat Paleo diet

[Anonymous No.16144766]

>>16143670
OP says high meat, not all meat

[Anonymous No.16144905]

>>16047395
food for your thoughts

[Anonymous No.16144944]

>>16144905
Now take a quick look at the digestive tract of humans compared other primates, what do you notice?
also taking a quick glance at your supposed facts many of them appear to be wrong or completely unrelated

[Anonymous No.16146159]

>>16144944
take a quick look at the mental capacipty of vegans compared other humans, what do you notice?

[Anonymous No.16146379]

>>16144905
tfw vegans will go against their own instincts because of infographs and netflix documentaries
actual mental illness

[Anonymous No.16147593]

>>16144905
All those other animals developed teeth for tearing open the skins of their prey because they were too low IQ to figure out how to use pointy rocks for that purpose

[Anonymous No.16147606]

>>16144905
>Frugivore btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGvblv_ts4&ab_channel=BBCEarth
okay buddy

[Anonymous No.16148297]

>>16147606
Teaching wild chimps how to use pointy rocks and then letting them run amok in Africa would be hilarious

[Anonymous No.16148308]

>>16142786
Pic is a sign of poor intellect.

[Anonymous No.16149216]

>>16148297
probably wouldn't end up all that different from teaching africans how to use guns

[Anonymous No.16150766]

>>16149216
right, Teaching wild chimps how to use pointy rocks and then letting them run amok in Africa has already been tried and the results are indeed quite comical

[Anonymous No.16152252]

>>16131352
Vegans are low IQ, thats why everything they say is so stupid

[Anonymous No.16152706]

Because retards who larp with this diet only eat pork and beef, which shouldn't even be considered real food in 1st world countries.

[Anonymous No.16153562]

>>16152706
>the traditional diet that humanity has lived on for millennia is bad because reason
>eat muh estrogenic legumes instead