Marxism thread

[Anonymous No.16041380]

Engels said Marx’s analyses and theories were scientific. Ergo, discussion of Marxism is permissible on this board.

How do you do, fellow scientific socialists?

[Anonymous No.16041423]

>>16041380
not a science, a religion, go back to either /pol/ or /x/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfwMpxhrCYE

[Anonymous No.16041444]

>>16041380
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch02.htm
>When we consider and reflect upon Nature at large, or the history of mankind, or our own intellectual activity, at first we see the picture of an endless entanglement of relations and reactions, permutations and combinations, in which nothing remains what, where and as it was, but everything moves, changes, comes into being and passes away. We see, therefore, at first the picture as a whole, with its individual parts still more or less kept in the background; we observe the movements, transitions, connections, rather than the things that move, combine, and are connected. This primitive, naive but intrinsically correct conception of the world is that of ancient Greek philosophy, and was first clearly formulated by Heraclitus: everything is and is not, for everything is fluid, is constantly changing, constantly coming into being and passing away.[A]
literally PURE imprecise metaphysical nonsense woo-woo.
why is marxism so embarrassing?

[Anonymous No.16041448]

>>16041444
Nonsense woo-woo is the crux of leftism.

[Anonymous No.16041474]

>>16041444
>t. seething redneck
I'm sorry your school failed you. The passage you quoted requires the skill of careful textual interpretation and a soul, neither of which ignorant bugmen are in possession of. You ought to start with something more your speed, such as Marx's foray into Mathematics in which he revolutionized Differential Calculus: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/mathematical-manuscripts/ch04.html

Here is Engels on Marxist Calculus to get you started:
>Yesterday I found the courage at last to study your mathematical manuscripts even without reference books, and I was pleased to find that I did not need them. I compliment you on your work. The thing is as clear as daylight, so that we cannot wonder enough at the way the mathematicians insist on mystifying it. But this comes from the one-sided way these gentlemen think. To put dy/dx = 0/0, firmly and point-blank, does not enter their skulls.

[Anonymous No.16041491]

>>16041380
LMAO, you will put in power another Stalin that will exterminate millions of commies.

[Anonymous No.16041557]

>>16041380
>scientific
Largely unfalsifiable and useless ideology, like most of economics.

[Anonymous No.16041564]

[Anonymous No.16041576]

>>16041380
"science" in the 19th century also included shit like history or philosophy, it was the general process of acquiring knowledge. Political economy/economics might count as a science in the modern day though

[Anonymous No.16041597]

>>16041474
underaged leftypolkid, worships marx and posts a lot of cringe. hasn't read a book in his life.

[Anonymous No.16041999]

>>16041444
cause its a religion >>16041423

[Anonymous No.16042029]

>>16041380
>Engels said Marx’s analyses and theories were scientific.
I once read some pamphlet to see what this so-called scientific socialism was all about an it said that electricity was important for economic development

[Anonymous No.16042033]

>>16042029
Was it not?

[Anonymous No.16042086]

>>16042033
"electricity is important"-Scientific socialism

[Anonymous No.16042092]

>>16041444
>why is marxism so embarrassing?
Nonsense made from the rich to avoid revolution by confusing their explotited.

[Anonymous No.16042097]

>>16041474
> the skill of careful textual interpretation and a soul
Means you have to be brainwashed to "understand" marxist holy trinities.

[Anonymous No.16042111]

>>16042086
Sure, I mean, we're using electricity right now to communicate. Poor places with little access to electricity do worse economically. Are you just saying it's just an obvious/trivial statement?

[Anonymous No.16042113]

>>16041380
Fuck off tranny.

[Anonymous No.16042122]

>>16042111
it is an obvious trivial statement
its also not a scientific statement or idea at all. I thought scientific socialism was a technocratic method for governance and managing society, turns out its just expressing that electricity is important

[Anonymous No.16042124]

>>16041380
Marx and Lenin were essentially correct in principle, but not in the eventual result (which was still in the future for them) and the optimal solution.
Namely, they correctly predicted the overproduction, and dropping prices and wages, but crucially they didn't predict that capital itself is going to be overproduced so that it also eventually loses all value.
So I think the solution is roughly fivefold:
Key must be the discouragement of work, such as by taxing excess working hours.
Second is by allowing to consume without income from working, such as with UBI.
Allow the currency to drop, at least temporally, to discourage relying on imports.
Stop, at least temporarily, giving further loans. This is both to prevent getting stuck with unpayable loans, if currency begins to rise, and to discourage further production.
Prohibit non-capital investment, meaning buying out property that is expected to rise in price, rather than produce. Money itself should be used for that purpose once the inflation period ends. (if it occurs)

[Anonymous No.16042126]

>>16042124
>Namely, they correctly predicted the overproduction, and dropping prices and wages, but crucially they didn't predict that capital itself is going to be overproduced so that it also eventually loses all value.
You have schizophasia, you spew nonsense but you think its correct because the grammar is correct

[Anonymous No.16042127]

>propose a theory
>The rate of profit will fall
>Observe the results
>It matches the theory
Sounds scientific to me

[Anonymous No.16042131]

>>16042124
Reforming capitalism at the present stage is a dead end. We have farmers running their farms from their cellphones these days. What is capitalism for?

[Anonymous No.16042134]

>>16042122
"Scientific socialism" is a relic of the 19th century meaning, where ethics was also a "science". You probably aren't going to see much nuanced economic analysis from a pamphlet anyways

[Anonymous No.16042136]

Search engines allow for predicting production automatically. There wouldn't be people calculating the price of goods of pencil and paper like the old days.

[Anonymous No.16042147]

>>16042131
>We have farmers running their farms from their cellphones
These are just landlords

[Anonymous No.16042150]

>>16042126
No it isn't nonsense. They predicted that the prices of goods would drop, because so much will get produces, which in turn will lead to reduced wages (this was way before the 70 when they began to manipulate the economy to prevent it, it was what actually happened), but they didn't predict that even capital (in the sense they used it property needed for producing goods) eventually becomes so abundant that it loses all value. This happened in October 1929.
>>16042131
Yes it's fucked up. In fact there is a better solution where the majority becomes nobility that lives from inheritance, and a minority who didn't and have to work, but it's perfectly within their means to join the nobility within their lifetime.

[Anonymous No.16042158]

>>16042150
>They predicted that the prices of goods would drop,
This sentence makes no sense.
What goods?
When would they drop?
How much would they drop?
Its completely idiotic. I dont know what compelled you to even write such a random thing

[Anonymous No.16042164]

>>16042158
You can buy a fridge today for $1000. The exact same fridge cost $1200 five years ago. I'm not sure how it is unclear. The details do not matter, just an example.

This is what happened, the current situation is abnormal and the result of misguided attempts to prevent further collapses.

[Anonymous No.16042166]

>>16042164
>You can buy a fridge today for $1000. The exact same fridge cost $1200 five years ago. I'm not sure how it is unclear.
Marxism ideology is saying that a fridge would be cheaper at some point in time? WTF

[Anonymous No.16042174]

>>16042166
Yes, it's actually described in Das Kapital. (There weren't fridges yet, but in general)

Which I didn't know, as I discovered it without knowing what exactly Marx or Lenin said, until I got accused of parroting Marx.

[Anonymous No.16042176]

>>16042174
Thats such a random thing to say, in any context
"prices of things will drop"
First, nothing of the sort has been ever seen. Inflation is a reality pretty much worldwide. But more important, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Is that meant to be a prophecy? Prices will drop, as opposed to rise? As opposed to will stay stable forever? What a retarded idea

[Anonymous No.16042180]

>>16042176
>Thats such a random thing to say, in any context
Are you a bot? You keep repeating the same thing.

[Anonymous No.16042182]

>>16042180
>Are you a bot? You keep repeating the same thing.
Because you keep talking about it. You should be ashamed for even muttering that crap you have been writing about.

[Anonymous No.16042185]

>>16042182
Even the mainstream economics fully accepts it, calls it the deflationary spiral, and agrees that it leads to a collapse, for even wronger reasons. This part isn't supposed to be controversial, or in any way new.

[Anonymous No.16042187]

>>16042147
You'd be surprised how hands off some farms are these days

[Anonymous No.16042188]

>>16041557
Which properly scientific discipline do you think could fulfill economics' role?

[Anonymous No.16042189]

>>16042185
Shut the fuck up already dumb sperg

[Anonymous No.16042191]

Democratic communism is possible but it's improbable without first having a vanguard establish it. I wouldn't go overboard with it. The Soviet union had lower inequality than most modern nations.
This notion that a leaderless movement ought to establish communism is schizophrenic and glows. Just like capitalists giving up private property without violence is naive.

[Anonymous No.16042205]

>>16042189
It's literally happened until the early 20th century. Inflation is intentionally made IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. Nobody sane denies this.

[Anonymous No.16042206]

>>16042189
It's what literally happened until the early 20th century. Inflation is intentionally made IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. Nobody sane denies this.

[Anonymous' No.16042253]

No, it's not

[Anonymous No.16042257]

Capitalism FUCKS YOU ALL HAHA

[Anonymous No.16042277]

probable better to speak about specific policies than some ideological boondongle. Stop treating Marx and his book like a secular replacement for a prophet and his book.
Just talk about specific things. For instance, a public healthcare system.

[Anonymous No.16042280]

>>16042277
Okay how about abolishing the stock market and building factories in muricuh

[Anonymous No.16042318]

>>16042150
>They predicted that the prices of goods would drop,
what goods?, steamer girl bath water?

[Anonymous No.16042320]

>>16042318
That's ficticious capital

[Anonymous No.16042325]

>>16042277
>Stop treating Marx and his book like a secular replacement for a prophet and his book.
but he non-metaphorically is >>16041423

[Anonymous No.16042328]

>>16042320
>t-that capital don't mater cause i seizs so
ah, the dark mater of socialist economics, how quaint

[Anonymous No.16042329]

>>16042325
It is a doctrine based on materialism. Imagine basing a doctrine on fiction and not based real world matter.

[Anonymous No.16042336]

>>16042320
You are enslaved to that stupid book

[Anonymous No.16042338]

>>16042329
>It is a doctrine based on materialism.
That would be physics. Marxism is sort of like fake physics, allegedly about the material world but does it wrong.

[Anonymous No.16042341]

>>16042338
Really. Are people not losing their jobs to ai right now? Are people not concerned about self driving vehicles and robots will come next. Tell me about capitalism in a post work economy.

[Anonymous No.16042356]

>>16042341
Doesn't have anything to do with marxism.
How old are you seriously? Are you a tranny? Why did you come here from leftypol?

[Anonymous No.16042361]

>>16042356
Yes it does. According to Marxism productivity will keep rising as will worker explotation until capitalism ceases to be.

[Anonymous No.16042377]

Belle Delphine's bath water is non productive even if you don't agree it's ficticious capital. I think it is. People bought it mainly to resell it and profit.

[Anonymous No.16042378]

>>16042318
Why do you keep arguing with such retarded replies? First you attacked the least disputable claims, now you came up with bqthwater, as if it had anything to do with what I wrote, stil acting like if anything wasn't clear.

Goids, like all goods, in general. Nobody fucking disputes this, the dispute is about why it happened.

[Anonymous No.16042379]

>>16042127
What is the experiment?

[Anonymous No.16042381]

>>16042379
The experiment is the economy

[Anonymous No.16042387]

>>16042361
>as will worker explotation
Haven't seen a child worker being whipped to death in years.
Maybe capitalism really is over.

[Anonymous No.16042397]

>>16041444
Metaphysics in general make me sick. Just pure unadulterated mental masturbation.

[Anonymous No.16042402]

>>16042341
Non sequitur. Nothing you wrote has anything to do with anything. You are ideologized baboon that sees marxism as the answer to anything. You dont even argue you just demand marxism.
>>16042361
This fucking graph has been doing rounds for 10 years already. Its only about factory work.
Factory work got heavily automated, no, workers dont get paid more due to the higher productivity, they rather get paid less because the job is less skilled. Its true also to a minor degree in construction, where theres less "craftman" type of work vs 50 years ago.

[Anonymous No.16042413]

>>16042402
They get paid less because of the rise of bullshit jobs.

[Anonymous No.16042416]

>>16042381
Can you run that experiment twice?

[Anonymous No.16042417]

>>16042402
Productive work is mostly factory, construction, farming, etc... Construction is iffy but I consider it productive work. Productivity hasn't caught as much in construction obviously but it will soon enough.

[Anonymous No.16042421]

>>16042387
Didn't Kia manage to illegally hire children just months ago despite US child labor laws being permissive and receding?

[Anonymous No.16042436]

>>16042417
>Construction is iffy but I consider it productive work
How generous of you. Ill let know all the men that built the world that you might consider them productive, fucktard

[Anonymous No.16042441]

>>16042436
It just means if it's tied to production. Just because a teaching is non productive for example doesn't mean it's not important. Without teachers there'd be no economy anyways.

[Anonymous No.16042457]

>>16042185
Sounds like something a keynesian would say.

[Anonymous No.16042460]

Marxism is all theory, no evidence.
If you want to destroy a marxist just ask two questions.
"Compared to what?"
"What evidence do you have?"

[Anonymous No.16042467]

>>16042460
The rate of profit falling. It's at 8% right now btw. Only wars can raise the rate of profit and they have to be real infrastructure destroying wars.

[Anonymous No.16042500]

>>16042467
Competition creates efficiency. Human innovation creates profit. Taxi cab drivers took a big hit when uber was invented. Nothing was stolen and no wars were fought.

[Anonymous No.16042505]

>>16042441
Its not "tied"
Construction is productive work, retard.

[Anonymous No.16042508]

>>16041380
Engels was Marx's paypig. Marx findomed him while complaining about the privileged class.

[Anonymous No.16042510]

>>16042467
>The rate of profit falling
May i know why this is important to you or to anyone else? Im not even going to debate if its true or not, although i could.
For some reason you like to proclaim these maxims as a win, like these muslims that say that the quran is scientific.
You go like "Marx (pbuh) said this very obvious thing (which is often a lie), therefore Marxism is the true way". Thats how you come across.
Because we are not talking about anything specific, yet you cant help yourself at blurting out these random marxists memes

[Anonymous No.16042524]

>>16042510
Economics is as good as ability to predict. Austrian economists don't even pretend to be able to predict things. They're the most failed economists. Keneysians economist mend the contradictions of capital so the capitalist economies can keep going without collapsing. Other predictions were that capitalism would lead to economic crisis and the capitalists would grow increasingly wealthy among other things.
..

[Anonymous No.16042533]

>>16042500
It is kind of dehumanizing to put aside individual achievements. Am I implying we are meat robots with no agency? Yes that's what's implied.

[Anonymous No.16042534]

>>16042524
The only reason you atre talking about the rate of profit is that its a marxist meme. Its a common soundbyte. Muslims do the same when they go on about biology or physics being in the quran, they quote the same few examples all the time.
Im sorry but im just not impressed by anyone blurting out "rate of profit is falling". First, it isnt true in general just like prices are not dropping in general. And second, such statements have basically nothing to do with marxism.
Anyone can talk about long term trends in economic development. What does that have to do with anything?
Are you bringing attention to a problem? Are you just sharing curious trivia? Maybe you think its a good thing and are just sharing good news? I have no clue what you even want.

[Anonymous No.16042538]

>>16042534
Lack of access to housing, lack of healthcare, colleges putting students in debt, people being led towards social media and bombarded with advertisings, giving woman a platform to exploit simps, lackluster performance in math and reading levels to the point 20% or more children can't read or write, I could go on...

[Anonymous No.16042541]

>>16042538
Ok, so you are now listing a series of social problems. Cool.
Anything else?
Are you going to make a point or you can only post memes? You must be an old bot, you got a library with memes to post?

[Anonymous No.16042544]

>>16042541
>Anything else?
Hiring labor abroad, bringing in workers to lower wages, automation making people lose their jobs, some people lacking adequate nutrition, lack of sense of community and isolation, defunding space programs so we're stick in this rotten rock forever...

[Anonymous No.16042547]

>>16042544
Oh so more social problems from the list
You are going to make a point, no?

[Anonymous No.16042549]

>>16042547
All the stuff listed is due to capitalism

[Anonymous No.16042554]

>>16042549
>All the stuff listed is due to capitalism
Prove it
Prove societies had less such social problems before capitalism. Prove that capitalism made such problems worse, that if there are 100 homeless persons today, there were only 10 before capitalism.

[Anonymous No.16042559]

>>16042554
Cuba has the highest literacy rates in the entire American continent. They also have none of those problems. They're a sanctioned little island though. It's assumed a place such as the united States could do far better.

[Anonymous No.16042560]

>>16042559
>Cuba has the highest literacy rates i
I dont remember literacy being listed in your cute list of terrible social problems. Show how Cuba doesnt suffer from any of the problems you listed.

[Anonymous No.16042565]

>>16042560
You're being obtuse now. The only advertising in Cuba is murals of Che Guevara.

[Anonymous No.16042568]

>>16042559
>They also have none of those problems.
>>16042544
>bringing in workers to lower wages,

Then explain pic related. You complain about low salaries, meanwhile cubans make 16 dollars a month. This contradicts your premise that Cuba has none of the social problems you talk about

[Anonymous No.16042575]

>>16042538
>lack of healthcare,
Explain how you think Cubans have access to healthcare when pic related is reality

[Anonymous No.16042594]

>>16042559
Dude Cuba has been a shithole ever since they lost their Soviet sugar daddy. Now the country serves only as a military/intel outpost for Russia and China, and for exporting doctors to Venezuela as Party ambassadors in exchange for oil they desperately need. Party leaders live in luxury (thanks to their friends in Moscow and Beijing) while ordinary Cubans pimp out their underage daughters to sex tourists in Havana. Was that the promise of Marxism?

[Anonymous No.16042595]

Cuban pharmacy. Such healthcare

[Anonymous No.16042596]

>>16042575
Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other country in the world and during the corona epidemic they sent doctors to all corners of the world to help free of charge

[Anonymous No.16042611]

>>16042596
>Cuba has more doctors per capita
Dumb deflection. These doctors cant do shit. They have no equipment, medicines or salaries. Thats why they all get exported.

[Anonymous No.16042613]

>>16042596
>free of charge
Lmao, they export these doctors like field niggers. They get paid for them.

[Anonymous No.16042618]

>>16042460
What compared to what?

[Anonymous No.16042619]

>>16042565
Im sorry anon by you are clearly not interested in any scientific discussion about marxism. All you are saying is Cuba good. Nobody actually believes that. Cuba is a shithole with sick and hungry people.

[Anonymous No.16042623]

>>16042619
I thought minimum wage was $100 atleast. Okay got me.

[Anonymous No.16042624]

>>16042387
>Haven't seen a child worker being whipped to death in years.
Actually the GOP repealed some child labour laws and immediately the stories of children dying in workplace accidents started hitting the news again so we might not be too far off from that

[Anonymous No.16042625]

>>16042596
What the fuck is some doctor going to do against corona?
>uhhh wash your hands
>uhhh put on the mask

[Anonymous No.16042627]

>>16042625
Ah yes that's right we just let everyone die

[Anonymous No.16042629]

>>16042627
>put on the mask, im a doctor, im helping

[Anonymous No.16042633]

>>16042619
Cuba has been under embargo for decades. It is not a fair point of comparison. Surely a scientist would understand the necessity of a control group? Yet the opponents of socialism have gone to painstaking lengths to sabotage every experiment, and then they cry that it doesn't work. If that were so, then surely they wouldn't have to influence the results?

[Anonymous No.16042639]

>>16042633>>16042633
>not a fair point of comparison
Then why did you use it as an example? I didnt bring up Cuba

[Anonymous No.16042642]

>>16042639
You are speaking to multiple people.

[Anonymous No.16042645]

>>16042629
You seem to have forgotten that there are medicines against high fever and pain, there are machines to help people who have trouble breathing, and there is palliative care for people who are beyond help. Do you believe, looking back on not even four years ago, that doctors stood around scratching their nutsacks until the vaccine was rolled out? Were you anywhere on this planet at the time?

[Anonymous No.16042649]

>>16042633
>Surely a scientist would understand the necessity of a control group? Yet the opponents of socialism have gone to painstaking lengths to sabotage every experiment,
So you are admitting you have no scientific evidence for any of this shit.
The Soviet Union had nukes and beat back Nazi Germany, are you saying they could not run experiments of their own? I dont believe that.
You should not be using Cuba or mumbumbu or some other little shithole with no relevance as an example of anything. These caribbean islands are all shitholes because they are agrarian backwaters where people sort of survive on bananas. Try to make comparisons with the USSR or China, since these countries were and are strong enough to defend their independence and "run experiments on human populations" as you desire.

[Anonymous No.16042653]

>>16042645
>medicines against high fever and pain,
>take an ibuprofen
>That will be $700, no, mail the check for the government of Cuba

[Anonymous No.16042664]

>>16042649
Cuba also did the revolution in the 1950s as well. They probably hardly have any proper farming equipment. If communism was enacted in a place such as the us we can assume there'd be mass production of autonomous trucks along with autonomous fertilizer drones, robots and all sorts of equipment.
We can also assume that latin America would join the American socialist union why not.

[Anonymous No.16042666]

>>16042649
>The Soviet Union had nukes and beat back Nazi Germany, are you saying they could not run experiments of their own? I dont believe that.
The USSR was the experiment. Just as we are all part of the capitalist experiment.

[Anonymous No.16042667]

>>16042642
You are all the same shit. And if you think Cuba is not fair game, then dont hype it as some kind of success story for marxism.

[Anonymous No.16042670]

>>16042667
Cuba is not as bad as propaganda would have you believe. At the same time, though, it is not nearly representative of what could be achieved with a socialist economy in TYOOL 2024.

[Anonymous No.16042671]

>>16042664
>If communism was enacted in a place such as the us we can assume
So you have no scientific evidence to back this up? Its just you half assing a guess

[Anonymous No.16042673]

>>16042671
So these are the people who bitch about particle colliders

[Anonymous No.16042676]

>>16042671
Don't you have an anti-evolution thread to be making this exact argument in?

[Anonymous No.16042682]

>>16042671
I can't prove mathematically there'd be autonomous agriculture trucks. A lot of equipment would be destroyed in the even of a communist revolution by bitter capitalists. But I don't see why it couldn't just be rebuilt...

[Anonymous No.16042684]

>>16042682
>But I don't see why it couldn't just be rebuilt...
Another guess from a brain dead retard

[Anonymous No.16042692]

>>16042684
How hard could it be? The complicated part of gps driving is avoiding obstacles. Trucks have zero obstacles they go on predictable patterns. Tell you what. I'll make an attempt myself lol

[Anonymous No.16042698]

>>16042684
All the intelligent people will be on the side of revolutionaries though :^)

[Anonymous No.16042716]

such a waste of time on a religion, so back to /x/, it is an absolute shame that a whole quadrant of the political compass has been devoted to this delusional hermeto-gnostic religion >>16041423

[Anonymous No.16042720]

>>16042716
We have regular threads on metaphysics with nary a peep from anyone crying it's off-topic, why can't we have a thread on a materialist philosophy that makes testable predictions and adjusts its hypotheses accordingly?

[Anonymous No.16042724]

>>16042698

[Anonymous No.16042748]

>>16042720
>a materialist philosophy that makes testable predictions and adjusts its hypotheses accordingly

...at the cost of millions of lives every time it inevitably fails and is yet again proven stupidly wrong

marxists are the socio-political equivalent of flat-earthers and geocentrists

[Anonymous No.16042750]

>>16042720
>materialist philosophy
Marxism isnt a philosophy. Its basically nothing, at best its just a generic cry to kill white people

[Anonymous No.16042755]

>>16042748
>...at the cost of millions of lives every time it inevitably fails and is yet again proven stupidly wrong
Now who's making assumptions?
Communism has saved more lives than it cost, and with the way capitalism is going, it can only get better.
>>16042750
You know how many Marxists are white bruv

[Anonymous No.16042758]

>>16042755
It increased the number of people on earth significantly cause all capitalist nations know how to do is not have kids

[Anonymous No.16042765]

>>16042417
>t. never worked a day in any of the "productive" industries

[Anonymous No.16042773]

>>16042765
I worked painting houses for a minute but my dad thought I wasn't good at it enough.
It'd take me one month to pain a whole house inside and out he wanted it done in two weeks. Most Americans couldn't do it either. Darn Mexicans.

[Anonymous No.16042774]

>>16042755
>Communism has saved more lives than it cost

Not so much communism itself as liberation from feudalism and colonialism, which is inevitably followed by a rapid plunge into despotism and sectarian bloodshed

[Anonymous No.16042775]

>>16042755
>You know how many Marxists are white bruv
>(((white)))

[Anonymous No.16042777]

>>16042775
You know how few Jews there are in the world bruv?

[Anonymous No.16042779]

>>16042755
>Communism has saved more lives than it cost,
>Yes communists murdered my parents but i had three kids after being raped for years in the dungeon, so the total amount of happiness increased in the world

[Anonymous No.16042784]

>>16042779
>Communism is when you get sent to a rape dungeon and they put cameras in your bathroom

[Anonymous No.16042786]

>>16042784
Basically, how we experience it now

[Anonymous No.16042816]

>>16042777
is the answer "too many"?

[Anonymous No.16042817]

>>16042786
Chatgpt used to tell me what would be the income of the us if it's Gini coefficient was cut in half(resembling the one from the former Soviet union)
Anyways I think it was 70/100/200 thousand for each respective income bracket. That's in addition to a house, guaranteed employment, etc... Kind of like the cherished boomer era.

[Anonymous No.16042828]

>>16041444
That reads like an introduction, I don't see a problem there.

[Anonymous No.16042830]

Jannies?

[Anonymous No.16042837]

Gas all communists

[Anonymous No.16042840]

>>16042413
They get paid less because machines are doing a larger portion of their job for them. Another example of why it makes no sense to count value in terms of hours worked.

[Anonymous No.16042845]

>>16042755
>You know how many Marxists are white bruv
pretty much all of them actually, but they're incredibly self-loathing

[Anonymous No.16042846]

>>16042817
>Anyways I think it was 70/100/200 thousand for each respective income bracket.
literally schizophasia

[Anonymous No.16042850]

>>16041380
>How do you do, fellow scientific socialists?
Greetings! I love a good thread on human nature and psychology.

I propose that no political or economic system will ever "work", in the sense that it will never achieve overall and generalized harmony and satisfaction until we solve the problem of human nature and its constant disagreements.

[Anonymous No.16042854]

>>16041491
>Stalin
Nah, fuck that asshole, no one wants psychopaths

[Anonymous No.16042859]

>>16042816
The answer is that in your monomaniacal obsession you see Jews everywhere

[Anonymous No.16042865]

>>16042850
"Human nature" is such a copout.

[Anonymous No.16042877]

>>16042136
>There wouldn't be people calculating the price of goods of pencil and paper like the old days.
Yes, I too wonder just how kuch of the economy could nowadays be managed and automated via AI.
If not just yet, surely in the future AI will be able to make the dream of a managed economy possible and level off everyone's net wroth. Eliminate poverty, eliminate wealth.

[Anonymous No.16042878]

>>16042865
>we'd already be living in fully automated luxury space communism if not for easily solvable problems like greed and lust for power

[Anonymous No.16042881]

>>16042877
It's been there for a while. That's not the main problem. The main problem is people getting lazy. Robots are more important in that regard.

[Anonymous No.16042884]

>>16042176
>First, nothing of the sort has been ever seen
Just some 40 years ago a 10 megabyte hard disk would cost you a year's worth of salary. Now you can buy terabytes for a handfull of coins. Just and example, of which there are many.

[Anonymous No.16042899]

>>16042460
>"Compared to what?"
To everything all around you, compared to anything that is not communism.
>"What evidence do you have?"
Again, all around you.

[Anonymous No.16042902]

>>16042500
>Competition creates efficiency
It also creates broken, insecure, narcissitic people. An ill society. Welcome to today.

[Anonymous No.16042906]

>>16042524
>the capitalists would grow increasingly wealthy among other things
Which is true, in case you haven't noticed, the top-tier billionaires added even more Billions to their assests in the last three years or so. How many millions have you added to your assests lately?

[Anonymous No.16042907]

>>16042865
Collective behavior, you prefer that? Or "the way people tend to act in general"? What do you prefer instead?

[Anonymous No.16042909]

>>16042850
>solve the problem of human nature
people like you should never be given power

[Anonymous No.16042912]

>>16042881
>It's been there for a while.
Nah, not yet, we can't yet quantize all factors that affect an economy, especially the psychological aspects.

But we will get there, after all, talking about AI in 2024 is like talking about the internet in 1994 when it went mainstream. We can't even begin to imagine what things will be like in 30 years.

[Anonymous No.16042915]

obviously the solution to the excesses of the free market is a self-serving byzantine bureaucracy with a single psychopath sitting at the top for life backed by the entire state violence apparatus

what could possibly go wrong

(btw totally not a monarchy)

[Anonymous No.16042916]

>>16042884
commit suicide

[Anonymous No.16042918]

>>16042909
>people like you should never be given power
I don't want power, I want solutions. Philosophically speaking, if we can't all get along, maybe it's time we start non-violentlly eliminating the lazy and unhappy by not allowing them to breed, myself included. Let those who love to work for free, for the common good, with a smile on their face, procreate.They are out there, it's their time, I say.

[Anonymous No.16042920]

>>16042907
If you mean the laws that govern the progress of human societies, that's precisely what dialectical materialism studies

[Anonymous No.16042922]

>>16042912
If you mean predicting when someone will want a butt scratcher no we're not there. If you mean planning an economy based on needs were there.
>>16042915
That's a misconception. One man is incapable of holding a country under his total rule without consent. At worst it's party rule.
I'd be willing to bet pic related wasn't Kim's idea.

[Anonymous No.16042923]

>>16042915
No, a fascist coup would also be bad, that's why communists vehemently oppose fascists.

[Anonymous No.16042926]

>>16042902
competition isnt a race to the bottom
People think they cant catch a break but all you have to do is to reach financial equilibrium
Every industry has benchmark economic statistics, profit, ROI, etc. Once you reach the average you are safe.
If your industry as a whole gets less profitable, you have to deinvest and put capital into an industry with more capital. Thats the point of the price signal

[Anonymous No.16042927]

>>16042918
You are a monster. Kill yourself to end your misery, a person like you cannot enjoy life

[Anonymous No.16042928]

>>16042915
No, no, that is not the solution whatsoever. That has been tried several times and it fails in the measure of public freedoms, because of the cult of personality phenomenon. The more charismatic a person is, the less power he should have.
Ideally, you would have comittee with an odd-number of elements as to avoid ties, and no spokesperson.

[Anonymous No.16042931]

>>16042916
You went full-retard there, oh well.

[Anonymous No.16042934]

>>16042926
>competition isnt a race to the bottom
It doesn't matter, it's a system of comparison. It breeds insecurity, trauma, and psychological disorders. Look at our societies, ffs.

[Anonymous No.16042938]

>>16042927
Can't handle a philosophical hypothetical, pity.

[Anonymous No.16042943]

>>16042918
>by not allowing them to breed
how do you do this without violence?

[Anonymous No.16042945]

>>16042943
Make anime figurines free and let natural selection take its course

[Anonymous No.16042950]

>>16042943
>how do you do this without violence?
I don't have a solution for that. Appealing to understanding, financial rewards for not procreating, fining those who do? Ideally, just appealing to understanding would be nice if it worked, but we know it'd take more than that to achieve a quick success. It'd be a but like convicing people to drive less and fly less becuase it releases CO2 into the atmosphere. Even those who know about this, and care about it, can't; they're simply too addicted to the easy lifestlye, we're all too addicted to it. Fuck the future, carpe diem, seems to be the orevailing mentality in capitalism.
In that same way, people are too enamored with the concept of putting yet another human copy on this planet.

[Anonymous No.16042951]

>>16042950
>fining those who do
and if you don't pay the fine?

[Anonymous No.16043051]

>>16042951
>and if you don't pay the fine?
I guess higher fines or other penalties and so forth, just like our legal systems handle things when people don't follow the rules.

[Anonymous No.16043088]

>>16042943
Disallowing certain groups from reproducing doesn't have to happen. Allow parents to screen embryos for traits they want, but regulate the traits you tell them about.

[Anonymous No.16043102]

get this faggot retard shit the fuck back to /lit/