/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.16036118]

Gridfin Edition

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[Anonymous No.16036125]

two more weeks guys

[Anonymous No.16036132]

[Anonymous No.16036145]

tori

[Anonymous No.16036147]

Two more months

[Anonymous No.16036148]

First for Tom Mueller

[Anonymous No.16036177]

>>16036145
I thought you were talking about tori bruno for a second

[Anonymous No.16036218]

>>16036118
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

[Anonymous No.16036222]

>>16036148
This is him now

Entropy comes for us all

[Anonymous No.16036229]

>>16036148
need to have the bathroom jerk on his screen

[Anonymous No.16036235]

>>16036229
what is this bathroom jerkoff meme

[Anonymous No.16036281]

>>16036235
lurk moar

[Anonymous No.16036286]

>>16036281
I'm asking is there any actual evidence
its seems like its like one person bringing it up every time Mueller is mentioned
never seen any evidence

[Anonymous No.16036289]

>>16036286
Oh. Well in that case don't be new.

[Anonymous No.16036290]

>>16036289
what is new in this context?

[Anonymous No.16036291]

>>16036286
Why dont you shut the fuck up you specy bowl hair cut fuck small dick skinny cunt eat more wanker

[Anonymous No.16036293]

>>16036291
did Mueller fuck your mom?

[Anonymous No.16036294]

>>16036290
Having been in /sfg/ since whenever the Mueller bathroom thing happened is the cutoff for new in this context.
It's just one of those iykyk and don't ask don't tell things.

[Anonymous No.16036297]

>>16036294
I know its been a meme for years, I'm just asking is it a retarded shitpost (or one person spreading rumours for some reason) or is there actually anything behind it

[Anonymous No.16036298]

>>16036297
for instance, Musk emerald mine has been a meme for a long time and it keeps morphing and becoming more and more retarded, this seems something similar

[Anonymous No.16036299]

>>16036297
There is actually something behind it. It made everyone in /sfg/ do a double take when it was first discovered.

[Anonymous No.16036305]

>>16036299
might have missed that, been here on and off for like 5 years but sometimes with months of not reading (only around the bigger events)

[Anonymous No.16036309]

>>16036297
>years
It's over

>>16036298
The emerald mine thing isn't an /sfg/ exclusive though

[Anonymous No.16036313]

WE ARE GOING

[Anonymous No.16036314]

>>16036313
You need to be put in a fucking straight jacket and locked up.

[Anonymous No.16036316]

>>16036309
Fucking hawaiian scum

[Anonymous No.16036319]

>>16036309
Not /sfg/ but its on the same level of retarded

[Anonymous No.16036329]

>>16036313
cute CUTE

[Anonymous No.16036347]

https://spacenews.com/impending-european-satellite-reentry-highlights-debris-mitigation-challenges/
>The European Space Agency’s European Remote Sensing (ERS) 2 satellite is expected to reenter on Feb. 21 after nearly two decades in orbit. The latest update by ESA Feb. 20 predicted the satellite will reenter at 11:32 a.m. Eastern, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.61 hours.

[Anonymous No.16036348]

https://blogs.esa.int/rocketscience/2024/02/05/ers-2-reentry-live-updates/
https://aerospace.org/reentries/23560
Reentry waiting room.

[Anonymous No.16036352]

>>16036297
Maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop asking questions

[Anonymous No.16036353]

>>16036352
no

[Anonymous No.16036362]

>>16034837
https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1760144975184941401
>Update #4 on Varda's W-1 Mission:

[Anonymous No.16036365]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/before-snagging-a-chunk-of-space-junk-astroscale-must-first-catch-up-to-one/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGus-3T_ihE

>This mission is called ADRAS-J, short for Active Debris Removal by Astroscale-Japan. "This mission entails the first ever approach of actual space debris and will be a monumental step toward a more sustainable future in space," Mike Lindsay, Astroscale's chief technology officer, posted on X.

https://twitter.com/mikeclindsay/status/1759187231565341110

>ADRAS-J will fire thrusters to match orbits with the H-IIA rocket, and as soon as next month, it could be flying within about 300 feet (100 meters) of the abandoned upper stage. Astroscale engineers will initially rely on ground-based tracking data to pinpoint the H-IIA's location in space. Once in closer range, ADRAS-J will use visible and infrared cameras, along with laser ranging sensors, to transition to relative navigation mode. These sensors will measure the distance, closing rate, and orientation of the upper stage.

[Anonymous No.16036389]

>>16036297
If you know you know

[Anonymous No.16036416]

I jack off on company time therefore rocket scientists do too

[Anonymous No.16036420]

>>16036416
who can seriously say they haven't jacked off in their company bathroom?

[Anonymous No.16036499]

>>16036420
I'm jacking off right now

[Anonymous No.16036518]

>almost march
>Not even fullstack or WDR
>another static fire is coming

Spx bros... Whats taking so long, they told me two weeks two weeks ago

[Anonymous No.16036529]

Rocketry is cool but this is just autism

[Anonymous No.16036538]

>>16036518
Dude... just 2 more weeks, dude trust me bro... this time frfr.

[Anonymous No.16036547]

>>16036118
What time does the varda capsule reenter?

[Anonymous No.16036550]

The Pentagon warns Russia's space weapon could be deployed 'as early as this year'.

[Anonymous No.16036553]

>>16036529
fill it with piss

[Anonymous No.16036554]

>>16036348
>Possible final update prior to the reentry of ERS-2
>15:41 UTC (16:41 CET) today, 21 February 2024
>The uncertainty in this prediction is +/- 1.44 hours.

https://twitter.com/esaoperations/status/1760276305298313646

[Anonymous No.16036560]

>>16036313
>15 tankers

[Anonymous No.16036563]

>>16036547
https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1758235163127898405

mid-day of Feb 21st, Varda is located in El Segundo California
so 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM EST or in 6h 30min to 8h 30min

[Anonymous No.16036572]

Elon needs to get off the internet for a few days and just spend time working at starbase.

[Anonymous No.16036574]

>>16036118
Its happening!! 100% eo2w!!!

[Anonymous No.16036579]

>>16036550
so it went from a long term thing that wont be launched any time soon to launching this year? the intel community is a joke.

[Anonymous No.16036580]

I remember asking here in summer when will be the next Starship launch. And folks said launch will happen in August

[Anonymous No.16036583]

>>16036580
I remember when every launch was two weeks away

[Anonymous No.16036594]

whats flight 3 cargo?

[Anonymous No.16036596]

>>16036594
100 tons of dragon dildos

[Anonymous No.16036601]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726422074254578012

what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.16036604]

>>16036579
the IC usually does these things to garner public attention
>China will invade in: 2024, 2025, 2027, 2030, 2034 etc

[Anonymous No.16036607]

>>16036601
TWO WEEKS

[Anonymous No.16036609]

>>16036580
But the next launch from summer was in November retard.

[Anonymous No.16036612]

>>16036601
>tweeted 2 days after ift-2
he means that he doesn't have a clue as to the fixed required and the regulatory process and is wildly speculating.

[Anonymous No.16036617]

Russia-Belarus Primary (top) and Backup (bottom)crew for MS-25 mission to ISS

Also American astronaut Dyson will go to ISS

[Anonymous No.16036618]

>>16036617
weird edited backround and bait image name lmao

[Anonymous No.16036627]

>>16036618
Just Russian and Belarus flags

[Anonymous No.16036628]

>today is impossible to replicate this picture because we dont have the technology for it

Space bros, we used to live in the future, what went so wrong?

[Anonymous No.16036636]

>>16036628
No economical value. Even now. We are coming back to the Moon to stay. But it still drains money. At least it will be cheaper now

[Anonymous No.16036637]

>>16036617
Why are the Belarusian cosmonats' names first in western alphabet and then in cyrillic? Dont't they use cyrillic in Belarus?

[Anonymous No.16036638]

>>16036628
>today is impossible to replicate this picture because we dont have the technology for it
wrong. just make a hyper expendable system like saturn csm and lem and you can do it today.
just it's a retarded waste of money.
people want a lander that can be refueled

[Anonymous No.16036640]

>>16036628
There's no economic incentive really
But just so you know what's really the driving force behind the Artemis Program:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article281848548.html

[Anonymous No.16036641]

>>16036628
>At least it will be cheaper now

SLS/orion program is almost as expensive as apollo, but with less missions, no lunar lander, with current technology and experience NASA didnt have back then, and no we are not staying, thats a meme, there isnt a real plan for a lunar station

[Anonymous No.16036646]

>>16036640
>>16036636
Theres no economic value in any mission or space agency (except for big contract for aerospace complex with money from peoples taxes) so that argument makes no sense, the problem is that with all the technology we made the last 50 years, today is not easier or cheaper than it was in the 60'

[Anonymous No.16036647]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uznjr0oZMOQ

[Anonymous No.16036648]

>>16036347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCz0IiSIWYw

[Anonymous No.16036650]

>>16036601
You should multiply each time-period that mf gives by 4-5.
If he says the crewed mission to Mars will happen in 10 years, then know that it won't happen anytime in 50 years.

[Anonymous No.16036651]

>>16036601
He didn't say TWO WEEKS

[Anonymous No.16036663]

ITS HAPPENING

https://x.com/free_space/status/1760310299909857739?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

https://aviationweek.com/aerospace/commercial-space/new-glenn-rolls-launchpad-tanking-test

[Anonymous No.16036667]

>>16036663
No engines, no 2nd stage, just the booster stage tanks. They expect to do static fire sometime this summer.

[Anonymous No.16036670]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVajQxcOvSs
>Second Launch Tower Sections Arrive | SpaceX Boca Chica

[Anonymous No.16036671]

General Raymond is joining Impulse Space

https://www.impulsespace.com/updates/general-john-w-raymond-joins-board-of-impulse-space

[Anonymous No.16036672]

>>16036663
BO might very well land New Glenn before Superheavy is caught by a tower
though I don't think they will launch and land before Superheavy does a simulated water landing

[Anonymous No.16036675]

>>16036671
I guess for military contracts with maneuverable and serviceable satellites? I remember reading that they want to have the ability to change orbits rapidly

[Anonymous No.16036677]

India's getting a new spaceport

[Anonymous No.16036682]

>>16036675
>change orbits rapidly
yeah that's what a high thrust methalox engine gets you

[Anonymous No.16036686]

>>16036420
I did back when I was much younger, spent more time at the office and worked with women, but since all of these are no longer the case I don't even feel the urge

[Anonymous No.16036688]

>>16036529
it's not just that there's no beef in this burger
there are no buns and no condiments
they didn't even hand me a wrapper

[Anonymous No.16036689]

>>16036574
MSPaintbros, we are like gods

[Anonymous No.16036708]

>>16036686
lowering testosterone as you get older

[Anonymous No.16036711]

>>16036554
https://twitter.com/esaoperations/status/1760306986749489232

[Anonymous No.16036721]

>>16036677
good, accelerate the number of spaceports. we need thousands of them.

[Anonymous No.16036730]

>>16036637
why are you fucking illiterate?

[Anonymous No.16036732]

https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1760323743270756500

[Anonymous No.16036734]

>>16036732
https://www.intuitivemachines.com/im-1

[Anonymous No.16036736]

>>16036352
That's earther speak.
Curiosity is what drives man to look up at the night sky and imagine himself up there among the stars; normalfags keep their head down and don't question the consensus or resist groupthink. "Don't ask questions" might be the perfect motto for well-dwellers.

[Anonymous No.16036739]

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1760322103113368024
>New Glenn, meet your launch pad. Our pathfinder vehicle is rolling out and upending soon for the first time to undergo a series of tanking and mechanical system tests.

[Anonymous No.16036742]

>>16036637
Probably same template that used for every non-russian cosmonaut

[Anonymous No.16036743]

>>16036739
A rocket the size of SLS, yet they don't need a single crumb of authentic Alabama river rock to get it out to the pad.

[Anonymous No.16036745]

>>16036637
>>16036742
are you guys both drunk? the name is clearly in Cyrillic first since and then transliterated into Latin afterwards.

[Anonymous No.16036758]

>>16036745
They're not on Belarusian cosmonauts

[Anonymous No.16036759]

>>16036745
Do you read from bottom to top in Belarus or something?

[Anonymous No.16036760]

>>16036743
false equivalence
SLS and the shuttle don't use the crawler because of their size; it's because of those retarded fuckheavy SRBs that genuinely couldn't be integrated at the pad. Without looking anything up, I would guess even just ONE of the smaller Shuttle SRBs weighs at least 150% of what New Glenn FULLY STACKED AND FUELED weighs. The two SLS Block 2 SRBs combined are probably quadruple the mass of a fully fueled New Glenn with its maximum payload.

Did the crawler really NEED Alabama river rocks? Almost certainly not. Would a paved or concrete road have worked instead? Again, almost certainly not.

[Anonymous No.16036767]

>>16036760
that doesn't explain why the Saturn V used the crawler
(it was because they assembled the rocket on the pad in the hangar and then transported the entire pad out to the launch site)

[Anonymous No.16036768]

Chinks will make the first reusable Mars rocket before your idol, Elonfaggots.

[Anonymous No.16036769]

One day ill be there... I promise...

[Anonymous No.16036771]

>>16036743
non-reusable roads, launch towers that are used once or twice
NASA truly innovates on how to waste as much money as possible lmaoo

[Anonymous No.16036775]

>>16036768
why didn't you post the link fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Kw5TtCKWU

[Anonymous No.16036778]

>>16036775
I already posted it on another thread outside but no one were interested so I'm just here to troll the Muskians.

[Anonymous No.16036781]

>>16036760
each shuttle SRB is lighter than the current estimates for New Glenn wet mass on the pad, by about 1.3 million lbs vs 1.9 million pounds
the five segments clock in at 1.6 million pounds

[Anonymous No.16036788]

Yeah. Era of US of A is coming to an end. They have money, cheap labour, Russia sold them all Soviet technology, they have production capabilities. If you believe that humanity will have colonies on moon or mars anytime soon and you will be able to visit it. I suggest starting learning Chinese because no one will understand English here.

[Anonymous No.16036791]

>>16036781
when the fuck did new glenn get so fat? I swear the last public figure I heard of was under 1 million wet. also I thought the Shuttle SRBs were over 3 million pounds but I just checked and that's how much thrust they generate, not their mass.

Damn, and I really thought I was making a safe bet there.

[Anonymous No.16036794]

>>16036791
New Glenn is fat

[Anonymous No.16036797]

https://twitter.com/esaoperations/status/1760344505742487901
Reentry in roughly T-10 +/-30

[Anonymous No.16036798]

>>16036788
ok vatnik

[Anonymous No.16036801]

>>16036798
Maybe if you will be kind China can sell some space in their Moon city to US astronauts

[Anonymous No.16036802]

>>16036801
I preferred the indian actually, can we have him back? he was at least funny instead of only delusional

[Anonymous No.16036811]

>>16036736
You talk like a total fag

[Anonymous No.16036812]

>>16036802
You should look into trajectory. Yeah alright US will be coming ahead into 2030s. After that China will overtake

[Anonymous No.16036816]

would be really funny if china decided to launch a YOLO manned mars mission

[Anonymous No.16036832]

Some new details from the aviation week article

https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Faviationweek.com%2Faerospace%2Fcommercial-space%2Fnew-glenn-rolls-launchpad-tanking-test

>2 launches planned this year
> “We’re launching this year, it’s happening,” Jones said. “Our plan is to launch twice this year.”
>hot fire in the summer
>4 NGs under construction
>30 day flight turnaround for a booster
>three second stages built and three in production
>fairings for first 7-8 NG missions are built
>capability to launch 12 times a year but can easily double that or more

[Anonymous No.16036838]

ESA has switched on the secret QI drive aboard the ERS-2 Satellite
>altitude is rising
>131.03km and climbing

[Anonymous No.16036842]

>>16036769
You will be at least 80 years old, assuming you don't die due to a disease or suicide beforehand, when the first human lands there. You are going nowhere buddy.

[Anonymous No.16036849]

reminder that no genuine shill would shill for russia and china at the same time.
xhe's just doing it to bait / due to EDS affliction.

[Anonymous No.16036850]

>>16036849
i in fact shill for russia and china, america deserves to get nuked

[Anonymous No.16036851]

Why would I not support my own country

[Anonymous No.16036852]

>>16036816
You could theoretically do a manned Mars fly-by mission with the LM-10. There are even a few opportunities for a Venus-Mars flyby mission in the early 2030s.

[Anonymous No.16036853]

>>16036850
Leftist tankie or right wing nazi?

[Anonymous No.16036854]

When varda rentry? I’m waiting

[Anonymous No.16036855]

>>16036853
ironic troll

[Anonymous No.16036856]

>>16036850
anarchist pogan farmer

[Anonymous No.16036862]

>>16036856
>>16036853
both left and right are wrong, i dont want to be governed and want to be self reliant, away from jewish guilt faith

[Anonymous No.16036864]

>>16036862
the universe is a trans womxn thoughever

[Anonymous No.16036867]

I think it would be neat to talk about satellites that have gone to space via rideshare on Falcon 9. They are varied and many, and more interesting than endless Starlink payloads.

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5732&context=smallsat

[Anonymous No.16036870]

>>16036758
>>16036759
oh yeah. I was reading the russians both times. ruskis belaruskis same shit.

[Anonymous No.16036873]

>>16036832
Cool, would be nice to ha e some other launches than f9 (other than starship of course)

[Anonymous No.16036885]

>>16036873
https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1760361732524957739
>ULA is using the AtlasV N22 configuration to launch CFT. In the coming days, two AJ60 solid rocket boosters and the Dual Engine Centaur with twin RL10A-4-2 engines will be hoisted into place. Starliner attachment occurs closer to its targeted April launch date.

ULA's getting an Atlas V ready for Starliner and there's the last Delta IV Heavy going up in three weeks.

[Anonymous No.16036888]

Do you for real think Russia is done in space? I'm not sure but I really believe we can recover. We started to do so many new technological things by ourselves in last year. Like production is recovering. That's not easy but we can do it

[Anonymous No.16036891]

>>16036864
the america and europe west is in the middle of the silent war

[Anonymous No.16036892]

>>16036888
Advertise War Thunder on your rocket cyka

[Anonymous No.16036896]

>>16036888
It all depends on government interest. If Moscow is interested, then projects can get the funding they need and their management can be kept on a tight enough leash to keep that money from wandering off. The biggest issue is that Moscow always has things that are going to be higher priority than spaceflight, especially while Roscosmos and the rest can meet the military's current need for launches without developing any new capabilities.

[Anonymous No.16036899]

>>16036896
Russia still recovering from Soviet fall lmao.
Their economy is still broken because they subsidized the former Soviet bloc just to keep unified and then all those countries got scooped by the west lol.
they're going to wage wars and lick their wound until they have cleansed all NATO influence from their former territories and colonies.
No money for spaceflight right now.

[Anonymous No.16036902]

https://www.n2yo.com/?s=23560

>n2yo continuing to track a satellite that has already reentered

So much for accurate tracking, lets see Celestrak

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-altitude.php?CATNR=23560

Perigee stuck at 138

[Anonymous No.16036906]

[Anonymous No.16036909]

https://x.com/sciguyspace/status/1760350975070445664
Vast is now jockeying with Axiom for CSS flights. Man it feels like they have their hands in allot of stuff right now, they have Launcher for orbital tugs, Haven-1 to be the first commercial space station to orbit, and now jockeying to do private flights to ISS? Also I wonder how Axiom is taking this, they are now direct competitors whereas before Axiom was kind of uncontested.

[Anonymous No.16036910]

>>16036909
wtf do they want to even send, all the ESA fags are choosing Axiom, mostly cause its basically run by ex-NASA ISS dudes in the first place

[Anonymous No.16036916]

Impulse Space going full Spook Space

[Anonymous No.16036918]

>>16036910
ESA members are sending their astronauts, who otherwise will never go to space, on Axiom flights because that is literally the only commercial option right now.

[Anonymous No.16036921]

>>16036918
yeah and? Vast would be the same thing just a different company, with less experience

[Anonymous No.16036923]

>>16036888
Russia will be around. I dont think any spacefairing country is ever just going to say "we're done". They've got satellites to launch, they can send cosmonauts and are still going on with their luna program.
Only problem is going to be the money for their next space station. might need to colab with china.

[Anonymous No.16036925]

>>16036921
Lower rates dumb ass. Money talks, and if Axiom was way upcharging and Vast undercuts them then it doesnt matter. Almost all of the work is done by SpaceX and NASA its not like Axiom is making and directing the Dragon + ISS they judt line up flights because they know who to talk to, theyre basically just middlemen.

[Anonymous No.16036928]

>>16036925
Correction, they dont just 'line up' flights, they do 3 month training of the astronauts AND line up flights. So yeah congrats to Axiom for not being only middlemen.

[Anonymous No.16036931]

I just like Vast better.

[Anonymous No.16036932]

>>16036862
>libertarian or anarchist
>shills for the two most authoritarian hellholes he can find
>>16036899
they're still broken because they have a culture of theft, dishonesty and laziness

[Anonymous No.16036937]

>>16036932
>theft, dishonesty and laziness
wow, you just described the former soviet union niggercountries that took all the free shit from the USSR and then just go to suck western dick after the USSR fall.
Russia even had to pay back the debt for helping to build some of them.

[Anonymous No.16036939]

>>16036937
they need an existential threat to really snap them out of it, I recommend we start with a complete genocide

[Anonymous No.16036941]

>>16036939
>existential threat
yes, that's why they have been genociding Ukies nonstop for the past 2 years.
500k+ KIA from the Ukies lmao.

[Anonymous No.16036947]

>>16036909
there's only one way to settle this

[Anonymous No.16036955]

>>16036885
aren't they putting people on this starliner launch? imagine the hazard pay

[Anonymous No.16036956]

Anyone know if the IM-1 F9 second stage is going to hit the moon?

[Anonymous No.16036961]

>>16036932
i just know they will win ;c

[Anonymous No.16036968]

>>16036955
Meet your intrepid test pilots

[Anonymous No.16036970]

>>16036956
None of the Falcon second stages have hit the Moon my wumao friend.

[Anonymous No.16036972]

>>16036947
You joke about this but its not hard to readjust a space stations orbit, and guns still definetly work in space when in shadows. Itd just be more effective to train a sniper in orbital mechanics and to hit the space station once to make a leak

[Anonymous No.16036974]

>>16036968
like bob and doug on dragon they always send up some "experienced" astronauts for these risky first demos. basically done want to risk a young person.

[Anonymous No.16036982]

>>16036968
>poojette on the shartliner on a brown rocket
Is this a secret ISRO mission?

[Anonymous No.16036985]

Clear space program
https://twitter.com/clearusui/status/1760294374825693281

[Anonymous No.16036986]

>>16036968
Why are they sending zombie to space?

[Anonymous No.16036987]

>>16036832
They're not using a barge now right? How are they going to recover (lol)

[Anonymous No.16036990]

>>16036986
Can't get killed when you are already dead

[Anonymous No.16036995]

>>16036956
IM-1
1 58963U 24030A 24046.86640046 -.00014929 00000+0 00000+0 0 9994
2 58963 28.6500 67.7900 9686440 239.7630 18.8830 0.08992573 90
FALCON 9 R/B
1 58964U 24030B 24046.27792824 -.00014702 00000+0 00000+0 0 9991
2 58964 28.5100 65.0800 9704700 239.9600 5.0000 0.08200507 02

[Anonymous No.16037000]

>>16036968
Girl astronauts are so old and ugly holy shit

[Anonymous No.16037006]

>>16036902
so where did it land?

[Anonymous No.16037052]

>>16036708
yeah, that's what I meant about being younger, plus now I have time to jerk off at home and I'm not around big titty whores and 20-something thots at the office

[Anonymous No.16037060]

>>16036850
I shill for Mars

[Anonymous No.16037063]

>>16037006
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1760396230553682272
>ESA ERS-2 satellite reentry on a track from Alaska to the Pacific confirmed: Space-Track gives 151.9W 37.4N over the Pacific at 1717 UTC. NOAA radar data taken 1842 UTC shows an upper-atmosphere debris trail extending S from the Alaska coast near 144W 59.5N

[Anonymous No.16037079]

>>16036985
Max-Qute!

[Anonymous No.16037083]

>>16036937
The myth of Soviet space success being in any way russian:
Valentin Glushko (RD-170, 180, many other engines)
>Ukranian
Sergei Korolev (R-7/Soyuz family, Soyuz & Progress spacecraft, N1)
>Ukrainian
Gleb Lozino-Lozinskiy (lead designer of Buran Energia)
>Ukranian
Vladimir Chelomey (Proton rocket family, Almaz/Salyut station, Mir station)
>Polish
Mikhail Gurevich (founder of MiG aircraft company)
>Ukranian
Pavel Sukhoi (Sukhoi aircraft, also designed some Tupolev aircraft)
>Belarussian

- and then we get to:
Joseph Stalin (Joseph Stalin)
>put Korolev in a Gulag
>Put Glushko in a Gulag
>nearly Gulaged Sukhoi after a temper tantrum, instead shut his design bureau down and forced him to work at Tupolev, which lasted until after Stalin's death
>Stymied almost all major aerospace advancement with stupid decisions and purges, until his death
Vasily Mishin
>common failure point of many an unsuccessful soviet spaceflight venture
>drunkard
>knew almost nothing about the rockets he was supposed to manage
>terrible manager of people as well
>generally just a stupid fuck-up
>Russian
etc.

The USSR succeeded entirely in spite of russia being a part of it, not because of.

[Anonymous No.16037086]

>>16037060
I shill for Vast

[Anonymous No.16037100]

>>16037086
what would be tested on this thing, also when is the flight it just says 2024 and theyre supposed to launch haven-1 in septemeber 2025 i think

[Anonymous No.16037104]

>>16037083
>these are the only people who played a significant role in the Soviet space program

[Anonymous No.16037107]

>>16037104
why do you bother answering to a braindead anti Russia westoid nigger.

[Anonymous No.16037108]

Would the Russians really park nuclear-powered jammers in front of the USSF's Orion ELINT satellites in GSO? That would be mean; I'd bet the Orions cost close to a billion each to build and launch

[Anonymous No.16037111]

>>16037108
No they wouldn't. All the news about this is fake and gay.
>16037107
Dilate shill.

[Anonymous No.16037114]

>>16037083
Exactly. Just look at the overwhelming success Ukraine has had in spaceflight since breaking free of the USSR and all of those parasitic Russians!

Oh, wait.

[Anonymous No.16037115]

>>16037114
Shut up w*stoid

[Anonymous No.16037117]

>>16037108
You can't "park" something in front of a satellite in geostationary orbit. Orbits don't work like that.

[Anonymous No.16037124]

>>16037117
If you go into an orbit that is a hundred meters or less lower, wouldn't that require extremely minor fuel consumption to maintain station relative to the higher satellite? Geostationary orbit is 36000km up.

[Anonymous No.16037127]

Would the Russians really park nuclear-powered jammers in front of the USSF's Orion satellites? That would be mean; I'd bet the Orions cost close to a billion each to build and launch

added intended image

[Anonymous No.16037129]

>>16037127
No they wouldn't. All the news about this is fake and gay
>>16037124
yes that works

[Anonymous No.16037131]

>>16037127
If they do, GLONASS stops existing in a day.

[Anonymous No.16037133]

>>16037131
How so? Their main function is to send, not to receive. Do you mean the US would build some kind of space jammer that emulates GLONASS' frequency so that receivers on Earth can't distinguish it anymore? It seems like it all could spiral downward quite quickly.

[Anonymous No.16037137]

>>16037133
You are either ratarded or a vatnik if you think America will just sit back and watch Russia start co-orbiting ASAT vehicles in GEO.

[Anonymous No.16037140]

>>16036888
Russia might not be able to afford to keep up with space leaders (US and China), however Russia certainly isn't going to be "done" in space in any way, because the war has certainly made Putin realize the great military importance of space. I think his decision to kick Rogozin sideways and replace him with Borisov was an indication of that.

[Anonymous No.16037143]

>>16037137
A jammer is not a kinetic weapon though. It's a case of "not touching you" warfare. Really, Orion is made to listen, and the Russians would merely be giving it plenty to listen to.

The US might respond in some way however it would likely be in a symmetric or similar manner

[Anonymous No.16037148]

Varda capsule landing soon.

[Anonymous No.16037157]

>>16037148
Didnt they launch in 2023? God damn I dont give a fuck at this point

[Anonymous No.16037159]

>>16037157
stop being a nigger

[Anonymous No.16037160]

>>16037148
I hope they got made some good meth while they were up there

[Anonymous No.16037161]

>>16037148
separation confirmed
https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1760413351828431304

[Anonymous No.16037166]

>>16037159
Go suck on a Cane toad, down under.

[Anonymous No.16037172]

>>16037161
Boring yawn

[Anonymous No.16037189]

>>16036899
The USSR breakup was truly horrible for Russian aerospace. Russia still hasn't properly replaced Yuzhmash Zenit, Motor Sich high-bypass turbofans, Antonov heavy airlifters, etc, for which the prime contractor and much of the supply chain was in Ukraine.

It wasn't just Ukraine either. They built Vostochny as an alternative to Baikonur. Another example is how the Il-76 and Il-114 were were built in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Only recently Russia managed to restart Il-76 production in Ulyanovsk.

At least they still have a pretty reliable access to Minsk Tractor Works trucks.

[Anonymous No.16037191]

>>16037148
I'm most interested in the Curie results

It's ready for Venus

[Anonymous No.16037193]

touchdown

[Anonymous No.16037194]

>>16037193
Nobody cares

[Anonymous No.16037197]

>>16037194
you cared to comment.

[Anonymous No.16037200]

we're back

[Anonymous No.16037203]

>>16036743
Is Alabama really the closest place from which you can get smooth rocks in Florida?

[Anonymous No.16037204]

>>16037203
Alabama is where someone mr Shelby lives

[Anonymous No.16037205]

>>16037203
It's less about "where's the nearest place with good gravel" and more a question of just how important is the senator from Alabama.

It might also actually be the closest place. Florida isn't exactly well known for its quartzite geology.

[Anonymous No.16037212]

I didn't even know until just recently that Russia was developing the Irtysh rocket. Is it on track for 2025? Why are they developing it instead of Angara A3? Is it because Krunichev needed something to do after Proton?

[Anonymous No.16037215]

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bahamas-ministry-of-tourism-investments--aviation-secures-historic-agreement-with-spacex-to-propel-bahamas-into-the-space-technology--tourism-frontier-302065895.html
>SpaceX, a pioneer in space exploration, is currently finalizing mission designs where one of the company's autonomous droneships will serve as a Falcon 9 landing location east of The Exumas, offering a spectacle that will be visible only in The Bahamas. This unique opportunity sets the stage for tourists to witness awe-inspiring space events from cruise ships, resorts, and various tourist hotspots, solidifying The Bahamas' position as a key player in the emerging space tourism industry.

SpaceX now has clearance to land Falcons on droneships inside Bahamian territorial waters.

[Anonymous No.16037219]

Odysseus passes over the near side of the Moon following lunar orbit insertion on 21FEB2024. The lander continues to be in excellent health in lunar orbit.
(21FEB2024 1608 CST)

https://x.com/int_machines/status/1760426223073734704?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

[Anonymous No.16037221]

>>16037212
Angara is a Krunichev product, Soyuz-5/Irtysh is being designed by RKK Energia. Development is continuing slowly but the project is hamstrung by the fact that the old Zenit pad at Site 45/1 at Baikonur is the only place in the world it can launch from without constructing a whole new launch complex, and Moscow wants to get out of Baikonur as soon as they can. With a 4.1m diameter the rocket is also too far for the Trans-Siberian Railway to transport it to Vostochny if anyone ever wanted to build a pad for it there. Energia has been hunting for some political backing for years but with the Angara (technically) operational there's no need for Russia to invest in another rocket in this weight class. Given how DOA the A3 seems to be there might not be any real demand for a rocket this size.

It's a shame because the RD-171MV is a really fantastic engine.

[Anonymous No.16037231]

>>16036734
>Houston is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to Houston.

[Anonymous No.16037234]

>>16037219
Based.
I love the CLPS program.
It's the exact right thing for NASA to do.

[Anonymous No.16037237]

>>16037231
God it even looks like a shithole from space too

[Anonymous No.16037251]

>>16037234
former NASA admin: yes I started commercial space - and it sucks!

[Anonymous No.16037255]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/blue-origin-has-emerged-as-the-likely-buyer-for-united-launch-alliance/

BlueLA, ULBlue, ULA a Blue Origin company?

[Anonymous No.16037257]

>>16037255
New Glenn + Centaur V
Now that is high energy

[Anonymous No.16037260]

>falcon 9 tourist landings
>rogozin is back from the grave
>axiom vs vast
>BlueLA
quite the eventful week and that's not even half of the things that have happened

[Anonymous No.16037261]

>>16037255
Bluenighted Lallianch Arigin

[Anonymous No.16037275]

>>16037114
>sealaunch
>Antares
>uhhhhh
I'm sure I'm forgetting some other stuff but they did alright considering how much of their shit was stolen

[Anonymous No.16037282]

>>16037251
From a NASA perspective the commercial program has been a disaster of program management because they're not in charge. Yes, really. They like cost plus because it means they can meddle.

SpaceX lets them have access even though the company isn't required to, and it can just smile and nod when NASA makes suggestions. Griffin was pissed that SpaceX didn't have to dance to NASA's tune.

To me that says that somewhere in between cost plus and FFP there's room for compromise that gets NASA the oversight authority it craves (that their own OIG thinks is a joke, see also the launch tower bag fumble) while simultaneously restraining how much say NASA actually has.

[Anonymous No.16037285]

>>16037137
We're watching Russia watch us watch Russia co-orbit ASAT kill vehicles near most of our LEO satellites
I don't know if they have anything in GEO but I don't think they have the launch capacity for that

[Anonymous No.16037287]

>>16036986
>>16037000
>Send up old people as the test pilots in case shit explodes or irradiates them
Makes sense

[Anonymous No.16037295]

>>16037282
know-nothing bureaucrats get the fucking rope

[Anonymous No.16037297]

>>16036760
SRBs are retarded

[Anonymous No.16037301]

I want the Odysseus lander to succeed because it would be very funny if the only truly successful Moon lander so far this year was also the first one ever to use cryogenic propellants

[Anonymous No.16037303]

>>16037282
>there's room for compromise that gets NASA the oversight authority it craves
The fact that a government agency craves something is more than enough reason to deny it to them. They can buy a commercially offered service for the listed price or they can spend their own budget trying and failing to do it better themselves.

[Anonymous No.16037306]

>>16037251
>In our view, activating a crew provision would come only after substantial—even enormous—progress had been made on cargo.
And all this delusion even after Shittle had already shat itself twice. They got lucky with SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.16037307]

>>16037282
hehe i know too well, there is a lot of bad blood between their workforce but they're kind of stuck in this love hate relationship till... forever?

[Anonymous No.16037308]

>>16037307
It's a fundamental political disconnect. NASA faggots are still resting on the laurels of Apollo and are absolutely convinced that ONLY the government can do space. Getting btfo by a guy who smokes pot and his free market lackeys is an impossible level of cognitive dissonance for them.

[Anonymous No.16037311]

>>16037308
their intense levels of governmental seethe sustain me

[Anonymous No.16037336]

>>16036909
>Axiom buys missions from SpaceX and sells them to NASA
vs
>Vast buys missions from SpaceX and sells them to NASA
What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.16037342]

>>16037336
The difference is the price and training programs/services offered by Vast and Axiom for the astronauts and thats literally it.

[Anonymous No.16037359]

https://x.com/derekdotspace/status/1760464403307049340?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

[Anonymous No.16037360]

>>16037212
They haven't understood rules of Russian space industry and for real created Irtysh instead of making plans for new rocket every couple of years. (Late December 2025 is a date they said recently. So I don't think there should be a long delay and by reports they're really working on it conducting tests). And I believe Angara A3 was canceled long time ago because it had the similar characteristics with higher launch cost.

After that Amur SPG reusable rocket (12.5 tones to LEO) in 2028-2030 (so basically should be ready by 2035). Super heavy rocket Irtysh in 2035 (so probably they will create new project by that time). Also recently head of Roscosmos said about some Ultralight rocket with some not yet seen in rockets materials. But thanks god it doesn't have a name and so it can die quietly without anyone remembering it

[Anonymous No.16037364]

>>16037359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8wRjD3xVA
It's up

[Anonymous No.16037370]

Mark your calendars, the weinarderschnizels brother are at it again! this will be a great discussion

[Anonymous No.16037374]

>>16037364
>>16037359
Built for Big Booster Cryonics

[Anonymous No.16037377]

>>16037374
BBC??

[Anonymous No.16037378]

Is nuclear pulse propulsion still the best option we have for interstellar travel? Has anyone been refining the idea since the 60s?

[Anonymous No.16037381]

>>16037255
Imagine if they just rebranded the whole thing as ULA so the Pentagon suits are more likely to sign off on New Glenn

[Anonymous No.16037383]

>>16037378
No retard blowing up fucking nukes behind a space station is not the best idea we have for interstellar travel, literal insane asylum patient

[Anonymous No.16037384]

>five cubic kilometres

What would you even do with all of that space? For perspective that's about 5 starship cargo bays!

[Anonymous No.16037387]

>>16037383
If you're so smart Mr Greenpeace then why don't you come up with another idea that can get us to Alpha Centauri in 44 years of less.

[Anonymous No.16037388]

>>16037378
Laser sail is the best candidate for starshot IIRC.
Minor caveat is that you can't slow down when you get there however.

[Anonymous No.16037390]

>>16037378
We don't have NPP.

[Anonymous No.16037391]

>>16037378
NSWR is more practical and efficient.
>>16037383
You're a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.16037395]

[Anonymous No.16037397]

>>16037391
>The design and calculations discussed above are using 20 percent enriched uranium salts. However, it would be plausible to use another design which would be capable of achieving much higher exhaust velocities (4,725 km/s) and use a 30,000 tonne ice comet along with 7,500 tonnes of highly enriched uranium salts to propel a 300 tonne spacecraft up to 7.62% of the speed of light and potentially arrive at Alpha Centauri after a 60 year journey.
okay that sounds pretty based

[Anonymous No.16037400]

>>16037387
Neither Orion nor Medusa can accomplish that.

[Anonymous No.16037402]

>>16037395
Noogler

[Anonymous No.16037404]

>>16037397
>7500 tons of 90% enriched Uranium

This is how you create a second sun in the sky.

[Anonymous No.16037405]

Varda Winnebago-1 capsule back on Earth, in the Utah desert.

[Anonymous No.16037411]

>>16037405
Subhuman company

[Anonymous No.16037417]

Another bonus to living on Mars, no homeless people.

[Anonymous No.16037421]

>>16037384
How many times do we have to explain cubic kilometres to mouthbreathers

[Anonymous No.16037430]

https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1760482488940474821
>Meet New Glenn! Our vehicle upended on its launch pad today for the first time. The rocket will remain vertical for at least a week for a series of tests in preparation for its first launch later this year. Thank you to our customers, partners, and everyone else championing efforts to build a road to space for the benefit of Earth.

[Anonymous No.16037432]

>>16037430
if new glenn makes to orbit before starship I'm leaving these threads and never coming back

[Anonymous No.16037433]

>>16037421
how long until you pick up on the meme you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.16037436]

>>16037432
Suffers tank pressure loss and falls back to the pad at T+2 seconds

[Anonymous No.16037446]

>>16037430
when glenn animu grill???

[Anonymous No.16037447]

>>16037378
the nuclear salt water rocket is real in my heart

[Anonymous No.16037451]

>>16037430
Holy shit. Tick tock Elmo

[Anonymous No.16037454]

>>16037421
infinite
>>16037433
two weeks
>>16037446
this is the best I can do, I'm sorry if you've seen this before and blocked it from your memory

[Anonymous No.16037456]

>>16037454
>its mid

[Anonymous No.16037457]

>>16037446
I have plenty

[Anonymous No.16037461]

>>16037457
its not kawaii doe

[Anonymous No.16037462]

>>16037456
they're all kinda bleh because nobody cares about New Glenn

[Anonymous No.16037463]

>>16037430
>it's only a model

[Anonymous No.16037465]

>>16037463
On second thought let's not go to the ISS, it is a silly place

[Anonymous No.16037468]

>>16037461
now?

[Anonymous No.16037473]

NOW?

[Anonymous No.16037474]

>>16037468
better, but still kinda meh

[Anonymous No.16037476]

[Anonymous No.16037477]

[Anonymous No.16037478]

>>16037474
im not sure zemu or sbarky have made new glenn animu yet. only good one rn is wheel_stop

[Anonymous No.16037479]

>>16037477
>>16037476
I unironically want to learn how to draw anime just like Pewdiepie did just so I can make rocket girls that don't look like they were made by a middle schooler

[Anonymous No.16037494]

>>16037479
if it make you cringe, that's real emotion. visceral. it's purest art and there's no denying

[Anonymous No.16037499]

>>16037476
I hope Mitsubishi Heavy lithobrakes an H3 onto the deck if this abomination

[Anonymous No.16037505]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTzp_4nB34
Clear made it

[Anonymous No.16037518]

every time the anthropomorphizing faggot rears his ugly head my hope for humanity reaches new lows

[Anonymous No.16037526]

>>16036580
july 2021

[Anonymous No.16037530]

>>16037479
don't 'draw anime'. Learn forms, shapes, anatomy. Anime is just a stylization.

[Anonymous No.16037531]

>>16037494
>>16037479
Why dont you jump under a Falcon 9 at launch Im sick of your shit

[Anonymous No.16037536]

>>16037518
>>16037531
here, you forgot your frog

[Anonymous No.16037539]

>>16037531
corny ahhh reaction image

[Anonymous No.16037545]

>>16037536
>>16037539
Fuck off belter scum

[Anonymous No.16037555]

We are so back

[Anonymous No.16037573]

>>16037555
As of Q1 2024 it’s: USA, power gap, China, India/JAXA, Russia/Europoors

[Anonymous No.16037577]

>>16037573
where do the huemonkeys fit into this paradigm

[Anonymous No.16037583]

>>16037307
>till... forever?
I think that eventually NASA will slip into a more specialized role which just amounts to (a) input on which missions to prioritize, and (b) analyzing scientific data. Everything technical can (and will) be done more efficiently by the private sector: There's absolutely no reason to give NASA control over anything besides what the scientific payload is and where it needs to go.

[Anonymous No.16037584]

>>16037405
we just entered the new age of inspace manufacture.
well done Varda you gigachads

[Anonymous No.16037586]

>>16037573
I'd put India/Russia/Japan in a rough tie for third. India has a good roadmap but only anemic funding which means they really need to pick their projects carefully and put up with slow progress. Russia has a good lineup of launch vehicles but they've fallen off the wagon with regards to payloads and they don't have a clear vision of where they're headed or what they want to do when they get there. Japan has small ambitions, but at least those plans are well funded.

And then there's Europe with no fucking rockets. They're down there with the UAE in the league of building things for other people to launch.

[Anonymous No.16037591]

>>16037545
omg its the black or chinese guy from the xwitter!
:O

[Anonymous No.16037600]

>>16037430
>NOT FOR FLIGHT
So, uh, why was that still on there?

[Anonymous No.16037604]

>>16037539
Imagine busting the fattest nut of your life all over her face.

[Anonymous No.16037609]

>>16037600
throw off the SpaceX snipers.

[Anonymous No.16037617]

>>16037577
they don't launch at all. so N/A
even the north/south koreans can do a launch a year

[Anonymous No.16037621]

>>16037617
Europe can't launch at all either

[Anonymous No.16037643]

>>16036145
The cosmic ray problem with these things was never addressed.

[Anonymous No.16037651]

>>16037621
ariane and vega will be taking off later this year.

[Anonymous No.16037657]

>>16037255
Hadnt thought of some of thise points, but i guess launch pads, launch infrastructure like hangars, an experienced and successful launch crew and finally ACES tech does have value
All of that should speed up their plans
But mergers are very messy

[Anonymous No.16037659]

>>16036628
Short-sightedness. The Moon is the obvious place for manufacture of materials for space infrastructure. That's the economic incentive. There is also a strategic incentive (picrel).

[Anonymous No.16037661]

>>16037430
22 years after founding, will BO fibally reach orbit?

[Anonymous No.16037662]

>>16036420
Anyone who isn't subhuman.

[Anonymous No.16037668]

>>16036788
>Era of US of A is coming to an end.
Thank God, which means the parasitic zionist entity will disappear.

[Anonymous No.16037671]

>>16036801
Without the US, who will they steal their technology from?

[Anonymous No.16037672]

[Anonymous No.16037675]

>>16037672

[Anonymous No.16037677]

>>16037672
BWAHAHAHAHA what a blockhead. This is so cringe lmao

[Anonymous No.16037683]

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1760477639725166746

>NEWS: To boost Starlink speeds, SpaceX is asking for regulatory clearance to orbit some satellites about 200 kilometers (124 miles) closer to the Earth.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/to-improve-starlink-speeds-spacex-wants-to-orbit-satellites-closer-to-earth

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1760504886561820928
>Important for increasing bandwidth, closing the link at low SNR & reducing latency

[Anonymous No.16037685]

>>16037672
I still can't believe Blue Origin could actually beat SpaceX to orbit, what an amazing twist.

[Anonymous No.16037688]

>>16037683
Do we really trust Elon Musk enough to let him do this? What if one of them goes too low and, God forbid, crashes into an airplane or something? I hope someone at NASA is overseeing all of this.

[Anonymous No.16037695]

>>16037672
kino

[Anonymous No.16037696]

>>16037672
>not for flight

[Anonymous No.16037698]

>>16037604
Imagine being a depraved subhuman like you.

[Anonymous No.16037710]

>>16037411
>>16037662
>>16037698
samefag

[Anonymous No.16037716]

>>16037696
I would begin to moderately respect BO if they launch it with the writing.

[Anonymous No.16037718]

>>16037710
Nope. Also Im phonefagging so there is no inspect element.

[Anonymous No.16037728]

>>16036852
As ultimately useless a manned flyby is, the thought of sending the first humans to look down on another planet is utterly kino. Two in one trip would be even more so

[Anonymous No.16037732]

>>16037683

[Anonymous No.16037746]

>>16036937
>go to suck western dick
Why cant russians go 10 seconds without thinking of dedovshchina. Your nation wide prison culture is exactly why every former soviet state whats nothing to do with your gay ass.

[Anonymous No.16037752]

>>16037746
Your entire fucking country is obsessed with BBC and interracial mixing. Not even mentioning your country being the eunuch capital of the world. How about you burgers learn to not be the cause of western decay before you start trying to project and force your fetishes on to others. Fucking pathetic w*stoid

[Anonymous No.16037757]

>>16037752
You do realize we're actually not, right? It's something being pushed by people with a lot of money, promising better loan terms in exchange for putting that shit into their media. Around places like 4chan, what you're seeing is either trolling or people who are just tired of the fake edifice of race mixing and MuH bIg BlAcK cOcK shit trying to make people accept a worldview they don't want and reject. The rest of the time, it's not even on our minds.

[Anonymous No.16037771]

>>16037757
>Our country isnt like that even though the majority of voters elected a politician that supports all those things
Like clockwork. Next youre going to tell me how the US isnt a fat country,

[Anonymous No.16037781]

>>16037771
The deflection is how you know it's a genuine Vatnik.

[Anonymous No.16037784]

>>16037683
I wouldn't be shocked if this is less about making the SNR better and more about decreasing the power they use to transmit, since they're increasing the amount of time each sat is broadcasting as the user count goes up

[Anonymous No.16037789]

>>16037083
>Joseph Stalin (Joseph Stalin)
kek'd

[Anonymous No.16037801]

>>16037083
you know if you write >Ukranian under a Russian person's name it doesn't make them Ukranian. Everyone you named was Russian, except Stalin of course

[Anonymous No.16037810]

wait so the second stage new glenn really is a mockup? lmfao

[Anonymous No.16037811]

>>16037255
>Although there are no confirmed values, there has been speculation in the launch industry that ULA may be sold for $2 billion to $3 billion.
The entirety of the United Launch Alliance (ULA) and all of its intellectual property costs less than a single SLS

[Anonymous No.16037815]

>>16037285
>I don't know if they have anything in GEO but I don't think they have the launch capacity for that

Plesetks and Vostochny are so far north that GEO launches from there really have to compromise their payload mass due to correct the inclination.

[Anonymous No.16037818]

>>16037811
SLS costs ~$2 billion

[Anonymous No.16037823]

>>16037746
>>16037752
>>16037757
>>16037771
>>16037781
Kill yourselves

[Anonymous No.16037828]

>>16037752
>comes to /sfg/ when thinking about American space superiority makes him mad
Why?

[Anonymous No.16037829]

>>16037823
Never, IWGTS

[Anonymous No.16037834]

>>16037801
they probably even know that even after 2013, 50% of Ukrainian population are Russians. Belarussians are 100% Russians lmao.

[Anonymous No.16037835]

In fact, a Russian nationalist will tell you that Ukrainians are just Russians.

[Anonymous No.16037838]

>>16037555
wtf is the rest of the world doing? why are they ceding space to america? why dont they try?

[Anonymous No.16037842]

>>16037231
I've seen bigger. Most of that size is probably due to urban sprawl, anyway.

[Anonymous No.16037849]

>>16037835
not spaceflight

[Anonymous No.16037856]

>>16037784
But won't it decrease the openings for laser interconnect?

[Anonymous No.16037865]

https://twitter.com/kimbal/status/1760410521386487831

[Anonymous No.16037866]

>>16037672
It's time

[Anonymous No.16037869]

>>16037784
I don't know about that: power is easy to compensate for. Latency is not.

[Anonymous No.16037880]

>>16037856
I expect they wouldn't be thinking about this if the laser tests hadn't gone extremely well

This does make me wonder if they aren't setting themselves up for another solar flare wipeout via taller atmosphere. They are talking about the Starlink v2 sats though, with new thrusters and E-band backhaul links

[Anonymous No.16037882]

>>16037880
I would be really surprised if they hadn't taken something like that into account and have enough thrust/propellant to counteract something like that
it would just decrease the lifetime of the sats but at this point they might have more than enough for the 5 years already which is more about tech upgrade cycles than actually about propellant as far as I understand

[Anonymous No.16037890]

>almost march
>less than 40 launches
how are we going to break the planned 350 launches this year at this rate? we need to double the launch rate.

[Anonymous No.16037897]

>>16037890
Retard

[Anonymous No.16037901]

>>16037890
who the fuck said 350 launches this year?? american retards cant count it seems

[Anonymous No.16037902]

>>16037890
>planned 350 launches
Was that someone's prediction for global launch count or something?

[Anonymous No.16037903]

>>16037902
>>16037901
its on wikipedia. it obviously doesnt included unannounced launches which makes up a big chunk of the total.

[Anonymous No.16037968]

>>16037295
that's basically most very big government projects;
the navy's zumwalts painfully sent 22 billion down the drain for a strategically-obsolete armored ship with a missing railgun it was supposed to lug around.

[Anonymous No.16037982]

So will New Glen aim to land successfully on the first flight? supposedly they have bought the same drone ship that spaceX uses.

Their plan is apparently to only build 4 boosters, so presumably they don't have much margin for an explosion rich testing campaign.
It's interesting that this is very much the older idea of reusability, that you can have a few vehicles that cost a lot, which you can then use many times.
New Glenn first stage is more optimised than starship first stage for example (at least in construction) using a lot of very expensive milled Al.
The Starship booster is steel for ease of construction and commonality with the ship mostly, iirc it's only the ship that really benefits from steel's high temperature performance.
SpaceX likely intend to build dozens of boosters and hundreds of ships, theirs is a very different and extremely bold approach.

[Anonymous No.16038006]

>>16037968
22 billion is peanuts, we just sent 100 billy to Ukraine this week alone. We have infinite money to spend now!

[Anonymous No.16038008]

>hundreds of launches a year
does the entire space industry even have that many satellites that needs launching?

[Anonymous No.16038010]

>>16037982
After all those years it would be disappointing if they didn't.

[Anonymous No.16038017]

If BO makes orbit before starshit then I'm dropping spacex.

[Anonymous No.16038019]

>>16038006
What is sent are weapons that have costed billions when purchased. Not palettes of cash.
Regardless it is hardly that defense spending that is bankrupting the nation.

[Anonymous No.16038026]

>>16037672

[Anonymous No.16038029]

>>16037285
>>16037815
Their inclination is north enough that it's hard to *use* GEO sats from Russia. That's why they use Molniya orbits.

[Anonymous No.16038032]

>>16037842
>urban sprawl
Yes, that is Houston.

[Anonymous No.16038035]

>>16037231
Looks like a spreading cancer

[Anonymous No.16038039]

>>16037982
>So will New Glen aim to land successfully on the first flight?
That would be arrogant of them to even try. SpaceX developed their capability by doing disposable launches, each of which came with a free booster that they could pretend-land at their leisure in the middle of the ocean, and they're doing the same with Starship. If you think of landings as a "bonus" at first, it doesn't look so bad.
Even though they aren't launching often yet, SX will still have its first landing in less than the 20 launches it took for F9. Also, F1 was successful on its fourth launch, and Starship will probably be successful on its third or fourth launch.
If Bozos wants to try a landing on the first launch, imma get some popcorn ready.

[Anonymous No.16038045]

>>16037982
If they really think they can build just 4 boosters and be done they're even more arrogant than I thought. I remember when they said they had a "hardware rich" program for the BE-4, then blew up their grand total of like 3 development engines.

[Anonymous No.16038048]

>Just build 4 of them, we're going to be reusing them anyway
>We're gonna succesfully recover it on its first flight

[Anonymous No.16038053]

>>16038048
Why didn't US engineers copy the N1 but use American technology (for example using cylindrical tanks)?
We could've had Starship decades ago.

[Anonymous No.16038076]

Okay but seriously how do we respond when New Glenn lands the booster on its first launch, yet SpaceX took dozens of attempts before getting F9 to land properly. I hate BO btw

[Anonymous No.16038078]

>arrw hgv
>Sentinel ICBM contract
>BOLE contract
damn NG is on a role with their SOLIDS

[Anonymous No.16038080]

>>16038076
By launching Starship on IFT-3 with total success
By launching hundreds of Falcon 9s a year
By fielding propellent depots by 2025
By poaching the shit out of BO engineers

[Anonymous No.16038089]

>>16038076
commit seppuku, there is no other way

[Anonymous No.16038091]

>>16038008
spacex constantly needs the starlink constellation expanded and refreshed, the first-gen v1 satellites are gonna phase themselves out and deorbit starting this may

[Anonymous No.16038093]

https://spacenews.com/varda-capsule-lands-in-utah/

[Anonymous No.16038094]

https://www.space.com/satellite-ers-2-esa-reentry-earth-atmosphere

entered over the pacific, boring

[Anonymous No.16038099]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/21/spacex-senior-vice-president-tom-ochinero-resigns.html
>Tom Ochinero, senior vice president of commercial business, resigned Monday, people familiar with the matter told CNBC. Ochinero is leaving to attend to a family medical matter, according to those people, who asked not to be named in order to discuss internal company information.

weird, he has been posting a lot on X, I wonder if he said something he shouldn't have
or perhaps he got poached after getting visibility from posting

[Anonymous No.16038100]

https://europeanspaceflight.com/core-and-second-stages-for-ariane-6-maiden-flight-arrive-in-kourou/
>If all goes well, the maiden Ariane 6 flight will occur in the second half of June. However, the European Space Agency has stated that it has allowed a 90-day “risk margin,” ensuring a maiden flight will occur no later than 31 July.

[Anonymous No.16038102]

https://spacenews.com/im-1-lander-enters-lunar-orbit/
>The company announced on social media that the Nova-C lander, named Odysseus, performed a 408-second burn of its main engine, placing the spacecraft into a circular orbit around the moon at an altitude of 92 kilometers. The maneuver, which changed the spacecraft’s velocity by 800 meters per second, was completed with an accuracy of 2 meters per second.

[Anonymous No.16038103]

>>16038102
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1760442834329473383
>Flight controllers analyzed the post-Lunar Orbit Insertion engine burn data and updated the anticipated flight maneuver timing, including an expected 1630 CST landing opportunity on Thursday. The landing opportunity will be Odysseus’ hardest challenge yet. The lander continues to be in excellent health, orbiting approximately 92 km above the lunar surface.
(21FEB2024 1645 CST)

9h 30min to go

[Anonymous No.16038105]

>>16038099
hue hue hue

[Anonymous No.16038107]

>>16038103
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1760483302807368171

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2024/02/21/intuitive-machines-nasa-science-progress-toward-moon-landing

[Anonymous No.16038109]

>If the landing is successful, Intuitive Machines will become the first non-governmental entity to successfully soft-land on the moon.

[Anonymous No.16038112]

>>16038105
lol mueller left years ago

[Anonymous No.16038115]

>>16038112
late 2020 to be exact

[Anonymous No.16038117]

>>16038099
>family medical matter
Saw that he maybe back in the future, so it might just be an actual medical thing.

[Anonymous No.16038118]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/as-companies-shoot-at-the-moon-nasas-tolerance-of-failure-is-tested/
>But pretty quickly, it became clear that the companies wouldn't make that deadline. While they made credible technical progress, they also had setbacks. Astrobotic had propulsion problems. Intuitive Machines accidentally blew up a propellant tank during testing. And in 2020, Orbit Beyond waved the red flag and dropped out of its contract award, saying it could not complete the task. The pandemic compounded each company's woes, slowing down work and impacting the aerospace industry supply chain.

article about the history of the CLPS programme

[Anonymous No.16038124]

>>16038076
I will gladly apologize here if it happens

[Anonymous No.16038126]

How do we stop the American Empire?
Seriously, this is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.16038128]

>>16038126
Sorry, I can't respond. I'm on a holiday.

[Anonymous No.16038129]

>>16038128
kek, nice one anon

[Anonymous No.16038135]

>>16038118
>Including Astrobotic, there have been three non-governmental missions flown to date that have attempted to land on the Moon. The others, Israel-based SpaceIL’s Beresheet and ispace Japan’s Hakuto-R, also failed. To date, then, the private companies are batting 0.000.

[Anonymous No.16038138]

https://payloadspace.com/payload-research-the-ultra-low-cost-economics-of-nasas-clps-lunar-program/
>NASA venture capital: CLPS is NASA’s deepest foray into a commercially driven, hands-off approach to space exploration. In 2018, NASA announced the program, asking industry to fully manage the end-to-end delivery of agency payloads to the lunar surface. The program awards ultra-low-cost contracts (generally in the $100M range) to build novel lunar landers that can ferry ~100kg+ of payload to the lunar surface and to organize launch transport.

article about the economics of CLPS

[Anonymous No.16038140]

>>16038138

[Anonymous No.16038142]

https://spacenews.com/us-finalizes-proposed-direct-to-smartphone-regulatory-framework/
>TAMPA, Fla. — U.S. regulators will vote March 14 on a regulatory framework for allowing satellites to use radio waves from terrestrial mobile operators to keep their smartphone users connected beyond the reach of cell towers.

[Anonymous No.16038147]

>>16037388
just don't use lasers to slow down
use a magnetic sail

[Anonymous No.16038148]

>>16038142
They are both brown and fat.

[Anonymous No.16038152]

>>16038105

[Anonymous No.16038155]

>>16038152
>responding to concern trolls
You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.16038158]

>>16037221
how did Russia fall flat on its ass so hard?

[Anonymous No.16038160]

>>16038155
You'll be pleased to learn that I certainly am.

[Anonymous No.16038178]

>>16037473
rather lewd placement of that Amazon logo

[Anonymous No.16038179]

>>16037659
>grow wheat on the Moon for export
was heinlein retarded?

[Anonymous No.16038181]

>>16038078
on a roll*
and is the ARRW actually a true HGV and not just some kinzhal-tier 'hypersonic' cope?

[Anonymous No.16038183]

>>16037577
HUEs are in the negatives
despite having a prime launch site, they have formed no partnerships, and not only launched nothing but managed to explode rockets and kill people in the process

[Anonymous No.16038184]

Moderately excited about the Thin Film Isotope Nuclear Engine Rocket.
https://www.nasa.gov/general/thin-film-isotope-nuclear-engine-rocket/
Tell me why its fake, gay and retarded, like you like to do /sfg/

[Anonymous No.16038191]

>>16038100
>>16037586
>>16037651
Ariane 6 NET 2025, it was revealed to me by a vision

They have yet to do a full integration of the rocket and the GSE at Korou hasn't been tested yet; there's still time for issues to show up that *should* take a month or two at most to fix, but because it's ESA they will end up being a year long delay

[Anonymous No.16038199]

>>16037982
you forget that both ship and booster benefit from steel's low temperature performance too

[Anonymous No.16038200]

>>16037890
falcon ramps up over the course of the year on it's end, probably ditto for other rockets

[Anonymous No.16038202]

>>16038117
>Saw that he maybe back in the future
Where? You'd think the replacement would assume only an interim position then, but to be fair these are based on internal talks so we probably don't have the full details and that may be the case.

[Anonymous No.16038203]

>>16038184
Well it's decay driven so you can't shut it off, and it's mass/thrust limited because otherwise it forms a critical mass on the launchpad and kaboom.

[Anonymous No.16038204]

>>16038181
it's a true glider like DF17
altho the Pentagon says DF17's unit cost is down to 7-10m RMB (~$1-1.5m each!)
ARRW is optimistically estimated to cost $20m each and the USAF will procure 100 units at first

[Anonymous No.16038205]

>>16037982
super heavy has WAY higher performance simply due to its thrust.
gravity losses are extreme on a booster.

[Anonymous No.16038206]

Not sure how I feel about starship now that I weld stainless steel every day

[Anonymous No.16038210]

>>16038206
its cold rolled 30x aerospace grade steel it's considered ok but not really the best option

[Anonymous No.16038211]

>>16038204
That will come down with scale but DoD procurement is always going to be as dumb and expensive as a bag of gold plated hammers.

[Anonymous No.16038213]

>>16036580
We are delusional bro

[Anonymous No.16038214]

>>16038203
>you can't shut it off
with proper panel design you can fold them to bring net thrust to zero
>critical mass with thorium 228
oh, you're a retard

[Anonymous No.16038216]

>>16037104
And those are Germans, same thing over in America. Really it was Germans that developed and continue to develop the space capabilities of Russia and USA.

[Anonymous No.16038219]

>>16038204
>>16038211

They will probably still go ahead with it because these are considered necessary to take out important land targets, especially truck launchers.
If the Pentagon can spend 60k on a trash can they can procure this.

[Anonymous No.16038222]

can I get a QRD on what Russia is planning to launch that's so important

[Anonymous No.16038224]

>>16037378
Meet NASA's antimatter powered sail

[Anonymous No.16038225]

>>16037114
They did alright with foreign joint ventures considering their lack of money for a better launch site like Korou.

[Anonymous No.16038226]

>>16037378
>Is nuclear pulse propulsion still the best option we have for interstellar travel?
No.

[Anonymous No.16038227]

>>16038222
supposedly an electronic warfare satellite powered by a nuclear reactor
The chinese did a study on high atmospheric nuclear blast to take out starlink and starlink-like future constellations
Their conclusion was that it sucks
https://www.twz.com/chinese-nuclear-anti-satellite-study-highlights-problem-of-countering-starlink-like-constellations

[Anonymous No.16038231]

proprietary satellites in space should be banned anyway. Only open source weather satellites should be allowed.

[Anonymous No.16038235]

>>16038231
oh and astronomical satellites of course (but open source)

[Anonymous No.16038236]

>>16038204
>country with low wages makes cheap stuff
shocking

[Anonymous No.16038237]

>>16038184
I just want to point out that this man's hands are naked in a vacuum
I'm telling you, gloves are optional

[Anonymous No.16038239]

>>16038236
I don't understand the economics of your post.

[Anonymous No.16038241]

>>16038239
Neither do I.

[Anonymous No.16038242]

>>16038206
how is that going for you btw

[Anonymous No.16038243]

>>16038206
Most welds are done by robots btw

[Anonymous No.16038245]

>>16038237
NASA has been held hostage by Big Glove for decades

[Anonymous No.16038246]

The problem with following space news is this shit all happens so slowly
What i call the 'two weeks phenomenon'

[Anonymous No.16038247]

>>16038246
cringe frogposter

[Anonymous No.16038250]

>>16038245
just give me a body sock and a water cooling loop, I only need gloves and shoes for UV, heat, and abrasion protection
>>16038246
trash frogposter

[Anonymous No.16038252]

>>16038246
the only reason im on /sfg/ is there are occasionally (disgruntled) industry insiders who post on here that gives us a glimpse into whats actually going on, most of them time you don't need to be on here. Who cares if x y z 'stacked a booster'?

[Anonymous No.16038254]

>>16038250
be gone, animeschizo

[Anonymous No.16038256]

>>16038252
well that and the anime

[Anonymous No.16038259]

>>16038252
I like to learn about things that are going to space before watching them go to space, that's fun for me.
>>16038256
>well that and the anime
Same, I wouldn't have known about Tsuki no Laika if I hadn't seen it posted here.

[Anonymous No.16038262]

>>16038252
Sorry but there are no experts here
Only larpers.

[Anonymous No.16038263]

>>16038242
>>16038243
Doing good. Programming a welding robot arm as it happens. Just put down my first welds on a production part today.

[Anonymous No.16038264]

been away for 3 months, hows that orbital test of Mike McCullochs drive going?

[Anonymous No.16038268]

>>16038259
Moon Space Dog Vampire anime was fucking trash, you could have watched any of a million different romances and they would not have been meaningfully different
the space launch wasn't even that good, watch Royal Space Force Wings of HoneyWhatever if you want a good space launch
>>16038263
yeah no shit I gave you advice off the back of my asshole on what weld settings to use, how did it go

[Anonymous No.16038271]

>>16038264
The Eternal Grift Continues

[Anonymous No.16038273]

>>16038268
I'm sorry you're having a bad day, hopefully it goes better or you die

[Anonymous No.16038275]

>>16038268
went well. I determined good current, speed, wire feed speed parameters.

[Anonymous No.16038276]

>>16038273
the anime club council (me and my two bros) has spoken on this subject
>>16038275
that's good, I was worried you'd get completely owned by surface tension in the weld bead
don't breathe in the chromium

[Anonymous No.16038281]

anime was a mistake

[Anonymous No.16038282]

>>16038276
Yeah I figured I best avoid BREEVING in those noxious gases and smoke

[Anonymous No.16038283]

>>16038281
you're an even bigger one

[Anonymous No.16038286]

>>16038282
like literally everything coming off of a weld is perfectly fine to breathe (if your shielding gas works at keeping nitrogen away from the arc) EXCEPT for the chromium that boils off of stainless steel, which gives you stage 9 megacancer and makes your cock fall off
nickel is even good for you although it'll make you feel like shit

[Anonymous No.16038288]

[Anonymous No.16038290]

>>16038210
It's just 304L, none of that specialised SpaceX formulation stuff ever happened

[Anonymous No.16038294]

>>16038290
maybe that's why IFT-2 booster was destroyed
heheh

[Anonymous No.16038296]

>>16038286
So I just gotta keep my distance when I weld that's it?

[Anonymous No.16038299]

>>16038296
if you're a pussy and/or don't have good fume extraction you should wear a respirator

[Anonymous No.16038301]

>>16038296
if you know anything about inorganic chemistry you'll understand better about chromium ions

[Anonymous No.16038307]

>>16038286
>the chromium that boils off of stainless steel, which gives you stage 9 megacancer and makes your cock fall off
animeposter here, is there anything that does the latter without causing the former?

[Anonymous No.16038309]

>>16038307
it doesn't actually make your cock fall off, that was just the worst symptom I could think of

[Anonymous No.16038310]

>>16038309
>makes you like anime and post it everywhere

[Anonymous No.16038317]

>>16038299
>>16038301
the ventilation at my workplace is probably shit. Am I poisoning myself.

[Anonymous No.16038321]

>>16038317
yeah, you should ask an engineer about ventilation and fume extraction if you weld stainless, maybe ask to see the monitoring cert
those posts are both me btw, I just remembered I could get sources to back it up

of course, my source on "be scared of hexavalent chromium" is chemists and those fuckers shit themselves at the thought of nickel salts so it's possible that they can be safely ignored

[Anonymous No.16038330]

>>16038264
The satellite suffered a power loss before the thrusters could be turned on.

[Anonymous No.16038341]

today is surprisingly quiet. its been such an eventful week so far.

[Anonymous No.16038344]

>>16038321
>monitoring cert
wonder if there even is such a thing in my country. Anyway I might send a webm when it welds it all up

[Anonymous No.16038345]

>>16038344
>I helped a nonamerican
I think that was an ITAR violation

[Anonymous No.16038349]

>>16038341
moon landing with livestream coming up.

[Anonymous No.16038351]

>SpaceX seeks a waiver to launch Starship “at least” nine times this year
>"They're looking at a pretty aggressive launch schedule this year," he said. "They're looking at, I believe, at least nine launches this year. That's a lot of launches. If you're doing modifications and doing them one by one, that's a lot of work. We've been talking to SpaceX constantly around the clock, coming together and trying to figure out how do we do this. We're invested with the company, and so we'll work with them to get them back going as soon as they can."

Accelerate

[Anonymous No.16038353]

>>16038349
link please

[Anonymous No.16038354]

>>16038345
kek

[Anonymous No.16038357]

>>16038351
nigger

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/spacex-seeks-to-launch-starship-at-least-nine-times-this-year/

[Anonymous No.16038361]

>>16038353
NASA TV at 1400 CST.

[Anonymous No.16038362]

>Flight controllers commanded a lunar correction maneuver to raise Odysseus’ orbit overnight and updated the anticipated landing time to 1524 CST.
We expect the landing stream to start on the IM-1 web page and NASA TV at 1400 CST. The content on both streams is identical.

[Anonymous No.16038364]

>>16038353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg2ffigGcYM

4h until livestream starts, 4h 50min until landing procedures start, 6h until landing >>16038103

[Anonymous No.16038365]

landing happening an hour earlier
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1760703551766933872

[Anonymous No.16038371]

lunar KILLDOZER rampage when?

[Anonymous No.16038372]

the cock is ticking for muskrats.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxdHLNuY5pXFBufVTDCzBbwegsXCXYgocJ

[Anonymous No.16038374]

>>16038372
I knew it was salty people working for competing firms
lmaooo

[Anonymous No.16038383]

>>16038371
15 tankers for that

[Anonymous No.16038384]

>>16038351
>>16038357
Starship launches once a month.

[Anonymous No.16038387]

>>16038053
Because the N1 is a shit design for anyone more technologically advanced than 1960s Russia, and wouldn't 't do any of the things that make Starship special.

[Anonymous No.16038389]

>>16038384
starship will never launch oacne a month. screencap this.

its a boondoggle.

[Anonymous No.16038390]

>>16038053
lol, why did it have spherical tanks?

[Anonymous No.16038391]

>>16038390
Russia couldn't build the pressure dome joints for capsule tanks.

[Anonymous No.16038393]

>>16038391
thats hilarious. now i know why n1 was the shape it was

[Anonymous No.16038396]

>>16038390
spheres are the most efficient shape interms of surface area to volume ratio. Less surface area means less mass for the vessels. superior soviet rationalism vs american appeal to tradition.

[Anonymous No.16038399]

>>16038390
propellant is stored in the balls

[Anonymous No.16038401]

>>16038390
Soviets can't into precision manufacturing techniques

[Anonymous No.16038402]

>>16038396
and lots of empty volume in the rocket around the tanks

[Anonymous No.16038403]

>>16038402
And lots of single purpose structural dry mass to carry the weight of said tanks.

[Anonymous No.16038404]

>>16038390
because they are objectively superior. Americans didn't have the technology to make spherical tanks and built tic-tac shaped tanks instead.

[Anonymous No.16038407]

>>16038053
oh and this is supposed to be the more EFFICIENT N1 design, in practice they used 5 kerosene liquid oxygen stages...

[Anonymous No.16038408]

>>16038402
true. but that empty space doesnt weigh anything. they still need the surrounding structure of course, for aerodynamics, but it can be much lighter since it isnt pressurised. the heavy pressure walls of the tanks are minimised.

[Anonymous No.16038411]

>>16038408
You have this backwards: pressure supported tanks are thinner and lighter than unpressurized volumes. The tensile loading of the internal tank pressure counteracts the compression loading in flight, and metals are stronger in tension than they are in compression.

[Anonymous No.16038416]

>>16038411
ill give you that. but for cyrogenic fuels at least where you need thicker walls for insulation/preventing leakage of H2 the mass savings might be justified.

[Anonymous No.16038417]

H2 cannot be justified.

[Anonymous No.16038419]

>>16038411
I don't think its that simple, doesn't it depend on the pressure? in some pressure regimes that is true, but if the pressure is too low or too high then it might not (too low and there is not enough pressure to counteract the compression and too much pressure you need very thick tank walls, perhaps thicker than a steel supporting structure)
or maybe this just holds for pressures over some level forever, idk lol

[Anonymous No.16038428]

>>16038416
The seepage of hydrogen through storage vessel walls is mostly a threat of hydrogen embrittlement rather than meaningfully fast leakage of the liquid contents; rockets just don't hold onto the LH2 that long, unless you're talking about something like ULA's ACES, which is when this begins to become a problem.

>>16038419
You're not wrong in the general case, but in rockets, the tanks need to store pressurized liquid and gas, both to provide some head pressure to the turbopumps and to help prevent cavitation inside the propellants. Tank pressure regimes lower than sea level would destroy the engines before it resulted in vacuum collapse of the storage volume.

[Anonymous No.16038429]

>>16038351
>"They're looking at a pretty aggressive launch schedule this year," he said. "They're looking at, I believe, at least nine launches this year. That's a lot of launches. If you're doing modifications and doing them one by one, that's a lot of work. We've been talking to SpaceX constantly around the clock, coming together and trying to figure out how do we do this. We're invested with the company, and so we'll work with them to get them back going as soon as they can."

IFT-1 investigation took six months, IFT-2 about two months

>SpaceX founder Elon Musk has said his company is now targeting early to mid-March for the third launch attempt of Starship. This flight of the highly experimental vehicle, Musk said, has a reasonably good chance of successfully reaching orbit. Coleman said that, from a regulatory standpoint, that timeline sounds "about right."

so in fact it might be the case that they are waiting for FAA yet again, assuming FAA basically stopped working during the holidays

[Anonymous No.16038433]

>ULA a Blue Origin Company

[Anonymous No.16038436]

>>16038433

[Anonymous No.16038437]

>>16038436
Is that really what a 5 meter tank looks like on top of a 7 meter? lol

[Anonymous No.16038439]

BLUENITED LAUNCH ORIGIN

[Anonymous No.16038442]

BO finally reaching orbit?

[Anonymous No.16038469]

New Glenn just flew over my house!

[Anonymous No.16038472]

>>16038469
That's a Russian ICBM

[Anonymous No.16038475]

>>16038436

[Anonymous No.16038477]

>>16038436
NOOO ROCKETS ARE NOT LEGOS YOU CAN'T JUST STACC THEM AND EXPECT IT TO WORK!11

[Anonymous No.16038478]

>>16038442
ESCAPADE is later this year, New Glenn is so oversized for the smallsats that they are probably doing a direct to Mars injection.

[Anonymous No.16038482]

>>16038478
insider here, they will miss the deadline. NASA doesnt care much because its some side mission, but jeff is pissed.

[Anonymous No.16038485]

>>16038475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrpmZFixp0

[Anonymous No.16038489]

FYI - landing has moved up and -- unconfirmed -- they may be trying for the North rather than South Pole. So, something is up:

> landing at 4:24 pm EST

[Anonymous No.16038492]

>>16038489
>they may be trying for the North rather than South Pole. So, something is up:
What??

[Anonymous No.16038500]

>>16038492
Yeah, what? That sounds like a significant change.

[Anonymous No.16038501]

>>16038500
yolo

[Anonymous No.16038507]

>>16038478
Fixed their relative sizes.

[Anonymous No.16038511]

>>16038492
>>16038500
The tardigrades sent a message - 'ALL THESE POLES ARE YOURS, EXCEPT THE SOUTH POLE. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE.'

[Anonymous No.16038514]

>>16038511
The fuck is that

[Anonymous No.16038519]

>>16038514
Thats what happens if you try spinning (normally a good trick) in hyperspace

[Anonymous No.16038520]

>>16038519
IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS CONCEPT PHOTO FOR MONTHS NOW WHAT IS IT SO I CAN RESEARCH MORE

[Anonymous No.16038527]

>>16038500
As said -- unconfirmed. Breaking news and everyone is trying to figure out what it means. The possible South/North switch was a guess over at NSF Forums based on the orbital period and time change, but still nothing official on the why and where.

[Anonymous No.16038528]

>>16038507
The first image was correct, as is this.

[Anonymous No.16038529]

>>16038107
>The landing targets the Malapert-A crater, about 300km from the lunar south pole
OK, so this one is actually going to land close to the south pole, unlike some previous landers that were also said to be targetting "south pole" while actually aiming 70-deg latitude or something

[Anonymous No.16038533]

>>16038527
a retard on NSF huh, literally

>source? I made it up

[Anonymous No.16038536]

>>16038529
India's lander landed on the equivalent of the shores of Antarctica.

[Anonymous No.16038538]

>>16038533
Not to be impolite, but the knowledge level over at NSF is approximately one metric kazillon times more informed than space /b/ here.

No offense.

[Anonymous No.16038539]

>>16038536
Norway and Finland are 70-deg north, we are not at the noth pole

[Anonymous No.16038542]

>>16038528
The first image was not correct because the tank diameter scaling is completely wrong and the base heights were not constant. Everything is standardized to the Saturn V, and the New Glenn graphic is an older one that doesn't factor in the S2 stretch that is present in the image you posted.

[Anonymous No.16038547]

>>16038511
based knower, it is likely you will be spared

[Anonymous No.16038552]

>>16038542
>>16038528
All of the infographics are outdated, given they didn't even bother to make the lower fin deletion.

[Anonymous No.16038565]

>>16038365
How often in spaceflight do things get done before the announced time?

[Anonymous No.16038566]

>>16038507
Both New Glenn and that version of SLS are 98 neters tall.

[Anonymous No.16038579]

>>16038566
The infographic version of New Glenn isn't the one sitting on the pad.

[Anonymous No.16038588]

Landing pushed two hours.
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1760748848991903878

[Anonymous No.16038590]

>>16038396
I love soviet designs, would you say that SpaceX is taking inspiration from them?

[Anonymous No.16038592]

>>16038588
Yikes

[Anonymous No.16038595]

>>16038588
Just delaying the inevitable. It’s going to crash!

[Anonymous No.16038596]

>>16038436
What's the optimal size difference/mass ratio between a second and first stage? How do you calculate this?

[Anonymous No.16038598]

>>16038286
zinc says hi

[Anonymous No.16038601]

>>16038590
mainly the engines
Raptor is clearly inspired by RD-0162 and RD-170 series
and only N-1 had even close as many engines as FH and Superheavy

[Anonymous No.16038607]

>>16038286
>nickel is even good for you although it'll make you feel like shit

[Anonymous No.16038608]

>>16038520
somebody put The Orb on top of a Dragon capsule or Starship or something idk
it's a shitpost, whatever it is
>>16038538
the knowledge level is the same but the effort level is higher, actually
if you discount the frogposters over here and the Europeans over there at least
>>16038598
>Zinc
oh no you breathed in the white smoke and now you feel bad? grow the fuck up and get over yourself, the symptoms abate within a day as long as you continue exposure
shit's actually good for you

[Anonymous No.16038609]

>>16038607
yeah I was thinking of zinc because I'm retarded
zinc is good
nickel is bad
don't breath in nickel, it's not as bad as chromium but still

[Anonymous No.16038626]

>>16038596
>How do you calculate this?

What is your flight profile, are you attempting to reuse and if so in what way.

[Anonymous No.16038671]

Staging

>>16038668
>>16038668
>>16038668
>>16038668
>>16038668

[Anonymous No.16038675]

>>16038671
Forgot this my bad

[Anonymous No.16038723]

>>16038282
YOU SEE A POISON GAS CLOUD. BREATHE THE POISON GAS CLOUD? [Y/N]

[Anonymous No.16038727]

>>16038723
you put on your firefighter PBA
your breathing is hampered

[Anonymous No.16038730]

>>16038723
Magic smoke. Don't breathe this!

[Anonymous No.16038777]

>>16038477
david willis btfo'd

[Anonymous No.16038841]

>>16038417
It can for NTP, especially LANTR. Every single other propellant option loses like 40% Isp minimum.

[Anonymous No.16039069]

>>16038374
>started before SpaceX
>SpaceX is on their second generation of rockets
>Blue Origami still hasn't put fucking ANYTHING in orbit yet