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[Anonymous No.16030377]

The universe is deterministic. There is no random chaos, we only think there is because we don't have perfect information on everything.

And even if it wasn't deterministic, it might as well be since it doesn't matter if small quantum events are truly random or not from a human point of view.

[Anonymous No.16030383]

Why are the anti quantum, anti free will WEF shills so actively lately? Scared of us thinking for ourselves, huh?

[Anonymous No.16030388]

>>16030377
The universe isn't deterministic. Non-beings act deterministic. Mainly because they lack internal resistance engine. Living beings of all types have internal resistance that push back against the universe. You could argue the internal resistance of living beings are deterministic on their own, that maybe true, but that just means living beings compete with non-living beings in this universe. Two different force of determinism. Then you factor into the fact that there are trillions of living beings that each have their own internal resistance engine. Every being is struggling and resisting against every other being and every non-being at the same time. So there's not really a determinism universe. You could argue however that a sum of all the living beings + non beings could constitute a super-deterministic universe, but thats a view from God that doesnt exist.

Thats not to argue any quantum nonsense or free will that resists causality, only that there's no single deterministic line for the universe. Just as there's no universal time for anything, every frame of reference competes against every other frame of reference for time keeping.

[Anonymous No.16030390]

>>16030383
You have free will even if it is deterministic.

[Anonymous No.16030399]

>>16030390
no you don't

[bodhi No.16030403]

>>16030377
Yes, hence why people who arent ignorant retards call it a "simulation" because all we can do is experience it, not change it in any significant way. Think of it as a puzzle, you can choose which pieces to connect together at which point in time but it will never change what the completed puzzle is

[bodhi No.16030406]

>>16030403
>Think of it as a puzzle, you can choose which pieces to connect together at which point in time but it will never change what the completed puzzle is
This is the design to give you the illusion of choice btw to keep you interacting with the simulation instead of just dropping out (like the awakened masters do, which is how you exit the simulation)

[bodhi No.16030411]

longer form explanation
https://esotericawakening.com/is-free-will-an-illusion

[Anonymous No.16030466]

Alright guys, time for deep thoughts

>everyone agrees that time travel to the past is not possible because your behavior in the past would change the present
>yet people believe their behavior in the present could change the future
Isn't this a paradox?

[Anonymous No.16030480]

>>16030377
Sorry OP, God plays dice....and he always wins. Circle that square for me.

[Anonymous No.16030482]

>>16030377
You have a strange perspective on what matters for randomness. The lack of ability to have perfect state information instantaneously is already plenty of justification for randomness to be a useful modeling convention.

What does it matter if the "physics engine" (if you presuppose this is the way the material universe functions) is purely deterministic if the agents within it must act as if this is not the case anyways because making decisions under the assumption of determinism is permanently intractable?

[Anonymous No.16030489]

>>16030466
You can't change where you've already been, but you can decide where to go next, your ignorance stems from the assumption that the past and the future are real things, which they aren't, everything exists in a singular moment, all that changes is the state of the system.

[Anonymous No.16030503]

>>16030399
Down another bottle of prozac, Sapolsky

[Anonymous No.16030512]

>>16030466
it's not a paradox
the past leading up to the present has already happened, the future has not.

[Anonymous No.16030514]

>>16030512
>the past leading up to the present has already happened
If you travel back in time it didn't.

[Anonymous No.16030530]

>>16030514
but then the present that allowed you to travel back didn't happen either

[Anonymous No.16030532]

>>16030466
You changing the past won’t change the present because YOU LIVE IN THE UNCHANGED PRESENT MOMENT. When you go to the past and change it, you are living in a diffirent reality (CHANGED REALITY) than your present self (which lives normally as if nothing happened, because that is not his reality).

"Time travel" paradoxes cease to exist when you understand that time doesn't exist. Only infinite present moments in the infinite sea of probabilities.

[Anonymous No.16030533]

>>16030489
>>16030512
>>16030466
The universe is just a big block of 4D spacetime, our "now" is just a cross-section of it (like a frame in a movie).

The fact that we experience time as a series of moments is just a byproduct of evolution useful for certain biological things.

[Anonymous No.16030534]

>>16030377
>There is no random chaos, we only think there is because we don't have perfect information on everything.
Uh proof?

[Anonymous No.16030586]

>>16030399
Is this how you cope with people simply being better than you?
Is coping deterministic? Probably at least coping is.

[Anonymous No.16030601]

>>16030377
It’s mainly deterministic but our souls allow us for some moments to exist that permiss the change to accour according to our will. Mind you, these moments are sparse and don’t last long.
How do I know this?
It was once revealed to me in a dream

[Anonymous No.16030630]

>>16030533
>Evolution
Topkek this forum

[Anonymous No.16030686]

>>16030390
prove that you could have done otherwise.

[Anonymous No.16030696]

>>16030377
>The universe is deterministic
Yes it is determined by free-will.