/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15983557]

is quantum mechanics just bullshit?

[Anonymous No.15983561]

no

[Anonymous No.15983563]

>>15983557
Maybe scribbling equations on a piece of paper isnt the eternal universal way of leaning about the world i don’t know.

[Anonymous No.15983582]

>>15983557
Quantum mechanics and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.15983592]

Penrose is a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15983602]

>>15983557
Math allows you to literally create infinite number of models.
And the fact some of those models match reality in some circumstances doesn't necessarily mean they actually describe reality.

[Anonymous No.15983659]

name fifteen (15) groundbreaking practical applications that quantum mechanics have afforded us

[Anonymous No.15983665]

>>15983557
Why is penrose so based?

[Anonymous No.15983701]

>>15983659
Kompyuutaz

[Anonymous No.15983716]

>>15983659
consciousness

[Anonymous No.15983721]

>>15983701
semiconductors are all above subatomic levels

[Anonymous No.15983729]

>>15983659
QLED TV

[Anonymous No.15983733]

>>15983729
he asked for 15 because he knows you can come up with 14 at most or something. that's not accidental

[Anonymous No.15983785]

>>15983721
I'm pretty sure you need quantum mechanics for semi-conductors.

[Anonymous No.15983808]

>>15983785
https://semiengineering.com/quantum-effects-at-7-5nm/
yeah you kinda need to understand what is happening and why so you can work around it, at least.

[Anonymous No.15983816]

>>15983659
MRI

[Anonymous No.15983820]

>>15983659
teleportation

[Anonymous No.15983829]

>>15983659
filtering midwits

[Anonymous No.15984431]

>>15983557
From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_quantum_mechanics

[Anonymous No.15984471]

>>15984431
>wikipedia
thats a propaganda outlet, not a legitimate source of information. they only publish lies, if you're referencing wikipedia then you're as much as admitting that you're wrong

[Anonymous No.15984613]

>>15983557
yes.

superdeterminism is correct.

[Anonymous No.15984619]

>>15984431
A lot of those things were invented before quantun mechanics was formulated.

[Anonymous No.15984624]

>>15983557
I've been binge watching astrophysics dicks for weeks. Penrose is pretty based. The rest of those Big Bang fags are stupid. Fuck String niggers too. The one conclusion I came to about quantum physics is it's a lost cause and when you zoom out and stop being a giga autist who invents fantasy worlds with math you realize it's all bullshit that can't ever be proven. You'll find more answers to cosmology in metaphysics and philosophy then in string theory. Any experiments they run are either too vague to be believed and often are proven to be some data error years later. Or the results of the experiment seem to suggest conclusions math+science can't ever hope to explain.

[Anonymous No.15984727]

>>15984619
Of course they were, the IFSL atheist religion is only attractive to liars, so their claims are always false because lying is their way of life. They only communicate in order to lie

[Anonymous No.15984746]

>>15983716
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.15984768]

>>15983659
Photosynthesis

[Anonymous No.15984771]

>>15984768
that wasn't developed by any soientists, they still don't even understand entirely how it works

[Anonymous No.15984955]

>>15984624
Quantum physics isn't about magic. It's just about waves and shit.

[Anonymous No.15985261]

>>15983659
nukes

[Anonymous No.15985278]

>>15983592
Is this board full of people like this Anonymous?

[Anonymous No.15985280]

>>15984624
People are no longer doing String Theory which is not quantum physics per se.

[Anonymous No.15986835]

>>15983557
Yes and no

[Anonymous No.15986842]

>>15984624
dunning-kruger at its finest

[Anonymous No.15986857]

>>15983557
He's not saying the theory is invalid, he's simply speaking of it's unintuitive nature

[Anonymous No.15986871]

>>15986842
>dunning-kruger at its finest

[Anonymous No.15986887]

light essentially breaks conservation of momentum because it doesn't have any mass

[Anonymous No.15986891]

there's weird fuckery with causality

[Anonymous No.15987234]

>>15984746
Don't make me cite a bunch of Orch-OR and other papers on your reductionist ass (i could do this all day, but that'd be akin to explaining to a downie friendo why the sky is blue)

[Anonymous No.15987991]

>>15984624
quantum physics is completely falsifiable. it's only the interpretations of it that are unfalsifiable most of the time. learn the difference.

[Anonymous No.15988272]

QM is useful for predicting the results of experiments.

[Anonymous No.15988277]

>>15983659
Five Nobel prizes have gone to the nuclear physics behinds MRIs, which are useful in medicine.

[Anonymous No.15989794]

>>15983557
its fake af
its all based on talmudic doublespeak

[Anonymous No.15989809]

>>15983557
They can use quantum mechanics to make predictions that check out, but they can't explain how that shit works. Like you can drive your car, but don't know how the car do all that shit.

[Anonymous No.15989812]

>>15989809
>projection
some people are smart enough to understand the operation of a simple automobile, just because you are not one of those people doesn't mean everyone else is as dumb as you

[Anonymous No.15989815]

>>15989812
Way to grasp the essence of the point, anon. Good job.

[Anonymous No.15990495]

>>15983557
no, it's proven experimentally to be

[Anonymous No.15991168]

>>15990495
How does one experimentally prove that something is random?

[Anonymous No.15992577]

>>15989794
also circular logic and confirmation bias

[Anonymous No.15993298]

>>15992577
That is also detailed in the talmud. Theres is a lot "how to snow the goyims with circular logic math" detailed in the talmud

[Anonymous No.15993303]

>>15983557
it is not "science" since it provides no testable hypothesis.

it is not bullshit since it provides genius humans to demonstrate their genius (like a game of chess) and in the process they come up with all sorts of novel mathematics which can be applied to more down-to-earth sciences.

I'd classify it as philosophy/metaphysics for number nerds. Or psychology for confused materialists (where the psyche of Nature itself is studied)

[Anonymous No.15993307]

>>15991168
There is no possible algorithm that tests for randomness.

[Anonymous No.15993353]

>>15983557
Sweet summer child, science popularizers and public figures say stuff like that to be provocative and get clout, and retards who love the idea that science is totally wrong and about to be revolutionized in two weeks (possibly by themselves) lap it up.
Penrose and the rest understand the logic of QM perfectly well, and why that logic is not the same as for everyday macro things, and why it makes sense. But they'll pretend there is some baffling mystery about it to whet to popsci consoomers appetite

[Anonymous No.15993463]

>>15983557
this quote is kind of out of context
Penrose is just continuing the view of Schrödinger and Diract that quantum mechanics must be a provisional theory. Schrödinger of all people was quite vocal that quantum mechanics didn't make sense

the way physicists have worked for decades is trying to fiddle with equations to patch the hole in quantum mechanics. Penrose is saying we need to go beyond the theory altogher

[Anonymous No.15994577]

>>15983701
common lie

[Anonymous No.15994587]

>>15983701
computers were a 1700s invention of the lyonnaise fashion industry. they predate talmudic quantum pseudoscience by a century.
you know someone is worthless if they have to steal credit for other people's achievements in order to justify their own existence. having no accomplishments of your own is what drives the desire to credit yourself with things you didn't do.

[Anonymous No.15995696]

>>15991168
Faith

[Anonymous No.15995699]

>>15983659
Lasers work on quantum mechanics properties that cannot be described by classical mechanics.

[Anonymous No.15995702]

>>15984955
>Quantum physics isn't about magic. It's just about waves and shit.
Which is what alchemists have been about for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.15996154]

>>15995699
no they don't
emission of radiation at discreet frequencies was already well known long before quantum theories described it incorrectly

[Anonymous No.15997172]

>>15984746
retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.15997196]

>>15997172
Seethe

[Anonymous No.15997201]

>>15996154
Yeah, sure, anonymous, sure.
I'll trust you and know that all those scientists at the laser research institutes working on photonics are wrong.

[Anonymous No.15998127]

>>15993303
Quantum mechanics makes several assertions that are absolutely testable.
For example:
The energy levels of the electrons in the hydrogen atom are quantized (discrete).
This is testable by taking some hydrogen atoms and measuring at which wavelengths they absorb light. If the resulting spectrum is discontinuous, this is strong evidence that the energy levels are discrete, rather than continuous.
This assertion holds not just for the electron in the hydrogen atom, but for all the electrons in all the atoms.
Therefore it is reasonable to believe that energy levels of electrons are quantized instead of continuous.

Can you give an explanation of the characteristic spectra of all the elements that does not involve quantization?

[Anonymous No.15998971]

>>15983592
people who say that look like that

[Anonymous No.15998977]

>>15989812
Cars are crazy now

[Anonymous No.16000207]

>>15998127
you're misconstruing the term "quantized" as being intrinsically related to QM, which it is not.

[Anonymous No.16000224]

>>16000207
quantization is intrinsically linked to quantum mechanics. It is called quantum mechanics, because it is formulated using quantization.

[Anonymous No.16000306]

>>15983721
Yes and? QM is not confined to the subatomic realm.

[Anonymous No.16000359]

>>15983659
Psychokinesis

[Anonymous No.16001593]

>>16000224
wrong

[Anonymous No.16001604]

>>16001593
then why is it called that

[Anonymous No.16001613]

We just had a Nobel prize in 2022 prove that quantum mechanics is not only not bullshit but that its exactly as fucked up as everyone suspected which drove even minds such as Einstein to cope back in the day. The implications of this are just so juicy.

[all fields No.16001908]

>>15989794
>>15992577
>>15993298
very organic

[Anonymous No.16003353]

>>16001604
it claims to be the mechanics of individual subatomic particles
but really is just a bunch of talmudic circular logic

[Anonymous No.16003369]

>>16003353
No it doesn't.
It claims to be a formulation of mechanics that is quantized.

[Anonymous No.16003387]

>>15983829
Only correct answer

[Anonymous No.16003393]

>>15984624
>math
>cannot be proven
I don't think you understand what math is, anon.

[Anonymous No.16003397]

>>15991168
You just define random as that which no person can discern a pattern out of, precisely so that you can focus on other factors of the problem that people CAN discern patterns out of. Fucking idiots asking useless questions as usual

[Anonymous No.16003400]

>>15993463
This.

[Anonymous No.16003402]

>>15998127
Of course he can't because he doesn't even understand Planck's law or the context of where QM comes from in the first place.

[Anonymous No.16003542]

>>15993463
This. Midwits never read more than a quote online

[Anonymous No.16003569]

quantum mechanics is not bs, its just another domain to explain the tiny realm in our world. classical mechanics explains the big realm.

[Anonymous No.16003585]

the breakthrough applications that could be made is quantum internet for instant communication, making rsa encryption obsolete with quantum encryption, and quantum simulation to discover new materials to build more innovative products and lets not forget quantum machine learning to build super advanced AI that will activate SkyNet

[Anonymous No.16003587]

>>15983557
There is a really high chance that we misunderstand quantum mechanics. Quantum physicists usually just give names to every unknown phenomenon and use those names like they know what they are talking about. Yeah we have some working formulas based on shitton of trial and errors and not based on understanding.

[Anonymous No.16003592]

QM is still in its beginning stages, research is still being done to understand certain phenomenon like a single electron existing in different places at the same time giving the theory of multiple universes

[Anonymous No.16003603]

>>15991168
That's the neat part, you don't have to.
You can calculate the probability distribution and if you keep drawing samples, you will arrive at that probability distribution.
Now, you cannot prove that something follows that distribution, but after a million attempts, it probably does.

This isn't mathematics, you retard.

[Anonymous No.16003605]

just like schrodingers cat, before you open the box with a cat and a deadly object that could kill the cat inside, the cat is both dead and alive until you open the box and observe it in 1 of 2 states

[Anonymous No.16003614]

an electron passing through a wall with mutiple slits is going through all the slits and when observed is only going through one slit.

[Anonymous No.16003618]

the core of quantum mechanics is probability, you are calculating the probabilities of which state a quantum particle will be in from multiple states.

[Anonymous No.16003830]

>>15983557
it was and also will be bullshit but mostly isnt.

[Anonymous No.16003932]

>>16003603
IQ scores also follow a probability distribution. I guess thats completely random too with no mechanism behind it

[Anonymous No.16005279]

>>16003605
>schrodingers cat
mentioning that meme is like announcing that you're a pseud who has never studied physics

[Anonymous No.16005805]

>>16005279
The fact that you see people discussing the meme cat constantly and almost never basic stuff from QM 101 like potential barriers gives you a good idea of who it is thats enthusiastic about quantum faggotry on /sci/

[Anonymous No.16007221]

>>15983557
pretty much

[Anonymous No.16008392]

>>15989815
you're too low IQ to understand how a 4 stroke engine works

[Anonymous No.16009649]

>>16003369
wrong

[Anonymous No.16010431]

>>15983557
quantum mechanics makes a lot of sense if you view it through the lens of soience nerd delusions of grandiosity

[Anonymous No.16011442]

>>16009649
then what is the quantum if it's not related to quantization?
I am quite confused.

[Anonymous No.16011725]

>>16011442
quanta

[Anonymous No.16011731]

>>16008392
How do you know what kind of car I was talking about? The reality is you assumed something to make your larp fit your head movie and didnt bother to use your brain for anything else. Big iq for sure.

[Anonymous No.16011745]

>>16011725
>In physics, a quantum (pl.: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity (physical property) involved in an interaction. Quantum is a discrete quantity of energy proportional in magnitude to the frequency of the radiation it represents.
Minimum amount and discrete quantity sounds alot like quantized values to me

[Anonymous No.16011795]

qm is just huygens principle on steroids

had the realization today

[Anonymous No.16013073]

>>16011731
you are low IQ

[Anonymous No.16013689]

>>15983659
micro toasters. micro pianos. micro couches. micro dog houses. need I go on you fucking retard?

[Anonymous No.16013691]

>>15983557
when get real small, physics don't gonna work.

[Anonymous No.16013694]

>>16011731
Someone above pretty much implied that they don't know how cars work. >>15989809

[Anonymous No.16014103]

>>16013694
And then some mental midget assumed it was a combustion engine to screech about muh
>>16013073
We're all caught up.

[Anonymous No.16014151]

>>15983557
QM isn't bullshit, but there's too many people who take the probabilistic/discrete behavior too literally instead of just treating it as what it is - a statistical approximation of extremely nonlinear deterministic behaviors.

[Anonymous No.16014296]

>>15983557
>is quantum mechanics just bullshit?
I answer with another question:
is general relativity just bullshit (just a model that superficially works but has no meaning whatsoever)?

[Anonymous No.16014313]

>>16014151
Bell's theorem proves that's not the case. QM is not underlayed by deterministic hidden variables, unless they constantly act instantly across space (nonlocality)
the experimental results of QM cannot be explained by a local hidden variable theory
>is general relativity just bullshit
yeah GR is bullshit, it's been nothing but problems since the beginning, cosmology, black hole information paradox, inconsistent with quantum field theory, etc and the only reason it's not dropped is because of Einstein worship

[Anonymous No.16014339]

>>15983659
hilbert spaces

[Anonymous No.16015048]

Velocity is bullshit

[Anonymous No.16016345]

>>15983557
its just a bunch of idiots "speaking in tongues" trying to pretend that they're super smart geniuses.
if they were as smart as they vainly claim that they are then they'd be able to do something useful with the super intelligence they constantly brag about

[Anonymous No.16016979]

>>16016345
>if they were as smart as they vainly claim that they are then they'd be able to do something useful with the super intelligence they constantly brag about
And the fact that they can't proves that their grandiose claims of super intelligence are just a fabrication

[Anonymous No.16017020]

>>15983659
usb drives with non-porn

[Anonymous No.16017041]

>>15983557
The part that is derived from experimental results? No. The part that is theorized using complex mathematical formulas with no bearing on reality? Yes. So the fact that there are elementary particles is not bs. String theory and all its incarnations and variants are bs tho...

[Anonymous No.16017390]

>>15998127
if you go into physics as an undergrad you will very likely reproduce some pf those experiments and prove the base theories of qm in the lab

[Anonymous No.16017982]

>>16014313
kek look at this retarded redditor

[Anonymous No.16017991]

>>16017041
String theory is made up and has nothing to do with the standard model.
And the Stanard Model is the best physics theory of all time.

[Anonymous No.16018592]

>>16017991
no it isn't

[Anonymous No.16018834]

>>16018592
im elated to inform you that although you have been using it extraneously all though your life, the so called "proof by nuh-uh" is, to put it in the most charitable terms possible, not even a proof

[Anonymous No.16018841]

>>16018834
>nuh-uh
you have no self awareness

[Anonymous No.16018877]

>>16018841
certainly more than you, although i accept the observation that 0 is greater than -n, and you have provided an empty set worth of proofs towards your claim against the standard model, feel free to present them any moment now, and don't expect anyone to take you or your claim seriously without said proof(s)

[Anonymous No.16019224]

>>16018592
yeah it is
it explains every observation we make and it predicted loads of particles correctly

[Anonymous No.16019250]

>>15983557
Dumb question. The atomic bomb, size limitations on how small circuits can be, and some possible ontological explanations for the origin of the universe rely on quantum mechanics.

[Anonymous No.16019409]

>>15983557
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16019417]

>>16003393
It's impossible to prove anything about the real world with math. Math is analytic. A mathematical proof doesn't give you any information that wasn't already assumed in the premises.

[Anonymous No.16019450]

>>16014151
>a statistical approximation of extremely nonlinear deterministic behaviors.
Prove it nigga. What's nonlinear about one single electron moving around?

[Anonymous No.16019495]

>>15983659
Crazy that noone mentioned chemistry in general. Yall are bunch of midwits faggotz frfrfrfr. Ong hahahaha nigga. Show me that GYYYYAAATTTTT.

[Anonymous No.16020117]

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=barandes+stochastic+correspondence&btnG=

the two top papers PROVE (in the actual meaning of the word) quantum mechanics is mathematically consistent with normal classical localizable particles just with so indeterminism injected in.

to me, this proves that quantum mechanics is like that in reality because its just the simplest interpretation so to prove that quantum mechanics is mathematically equivalent to that to me just says that ot is probably the correct way of looking at things. all the weird quantum problems become extrmeely simple in this perspective.

trouble is ideas like this wont gain traction because people too in love with the mystery of quantum mechanics as being about woo and in love with saying deeply counter intuitive things about reality that dont make sense and imply the universe is metaphysically alien

this would not be the case under this interpretation. back to boring plain old tiny particles. obviously it doesnt invalidate quantum field theory and some stuff that does seem kinda weird like virtual particles randomly coming into existence... but it does take away most of the other really weird shit that physicists find problematic.

the only caveat is that particle behavior has some randomness in it. is it inherent randomness or has a deeper explanation? dont know. but at the level of quantum mechanics there is randomness in particle movement. nothing crazy. particles go on continuous trajectories, its just that the direction of motion is always being perturbed and interrupted

[Anonymous No.16020121]

>>16003587
It's always been the case.
>elementalism
We correctly understood that physical properties are based on the amount of composite substances, but misunderstood what those substances were.
>atomism
Correct more or less, but 'atoms' as we know them were incorrectly assigned as "smallest possible particle".
>alchemy
Transmutation is completely correct, but the misunderstanding was the belief that transmutation occurred through chemical processes rather than atomic ones. Almost everything else about chemistry we owe to alchemy.
>pretty much everything about Galen
Based anatomist, wrong about a lot, but still based.

[Anonymous No.16020444]

>>16019250
>The atomic bomb, size limitations on how small circuits can be,
nope, that all optics and energy conservation
>explanations for the origin of the universe
presuming that you know everything about the entire universe is explained by irrational delusions of grandiosity and narcissistic personality disorder

[Anonymous No.16020618]

>>16011745
Don't bother with that tard anon. He only knows this "Talmudic circular logic", whatever that is, and so he can only talk in circles.

[Anonymous No.16020621]

>>16003932
lrn2rd

[Anonymous No.16021441]

>>16003932
its not completely random, lighter skin color generates higher IQ scores

[Anonymous No.16021527]

>>16003402
people here will argue with you that black body radiation is woke bs

[Anonymous No.16022114]

>>16003393
Math is an axiomatic system where the axioms are just assumed to be true instead of being provable in any way or form. Agrippa's trilemma is basic epistemology, you philistine.

[Anonymous No.16022619]

>>16021527
you should go to >>>/pol/ if you're obsessed with politics and culture war faggotry

[Anonymous No.16023611]

>>15983557
as god I can attest that QM is in fact BS

it explains the container reality but nothing more


super natural power exists

[Anonymous No.16024302]

>>15983557
its flimflam, the kind an average used car salesman would invent

[Anonymous No.16025191]

>>15987234
schizobabble is schizo.

[Anonymous No.16026067]

>>16025191
yeah its amazing how the people who like to portray themselves on this board as super genius science experts are always incapable of discussing quantum mechanics without resorting to soiyence "speaking in tongues" and regurgitating the memorized polysyllabic jargon and catchphrases they're so proud of, as if its some sort of irresistible masturbatory pleasure for them to utter the impressive fancy soiyence meme words.
they remind me of /b/tards screeching "shoop the woop" and "dine in hell" for no explicable reason other than to satisfy and emotional urge.

[Anonymous No.16026070]

>>15983659
jackie chan

[Anonymous No.16027052]

>>16026067
Thats schizophasia, its a extreme mental illness symptom. People who are so disconnected from reality that their worldview can't even be described in existing language

[Anonymous No.16028469]

>>15983561
first post worst post, QM is fake and gay

[Anonymous No.16029607]

>>16014296
it doesn't work superficially tho

[Anonymous No.16029769]

>>15983557
Nope.

It’s just like regular physics, except particles travel through space according to a wave function, which makes the hamiltonian look more like franksteinian.

This all makes position and momentum linked up, which is fine until you get to really, really precise measurements. There, it becomes evident that knowing more about the position means you know less about its motion, and vice versa.

But back at large scales, all that we percieve are the average position and momentum, manifested by countless many random waves.

[Anonymous No.16029815]

>>15983659
Touch screen cell phones
Superconductors
Also how the FUCK has this thread been up for 30 days??? Has /sci/ is kill??

[Anonymous No.16029821]

Yes, kinda.

https://pswscience.org/meeting/the-doom-of-spacetime/

>Space-time and Quantum Mechanics are the pillars of our modern understanding of fundamental physics. However, there are storm clouds on the horizon indicating that these principles are approximate and must be replaced with something deeper. The union of quantum mechanics and gravity strongly suggests that “space-time is doomed”, and there are related indications of fundamental limitations to quantum mechanics in both the early and late universe

>Arkani-Hamed then described the two “storm clouds” he sees for spacetime and quantum mechanics. The first storm cloud suggests that spacetime is doomed. The second, that quantum mechanics are limited.

>To explain the first cloud, Arkani-Hamed presented a thought experiment. To see what exactly is going on at arbitrarily small distances, we must use high energies. In a world without gravity, there is, in principle, no limit to scaling the size of the detector to see what is going on at increasingly small distances. But we live with gravity, and where there is too much mass, we get a black hole that traps light – meaning that if we build too big a detector, we will create a black hole that will prevent us from seeing what happens at the smallest distances. Thus, gravity limits our ability to measure spacetime, which means our current understanding of spacetime is merely approximate and not fully accurate.

>Similarly, the second cloud is explained by the problem of measuring quantum mechanics. To measure such quantum observables, our precision improves by how many measurements we take. But, to take the infinitely many measurements required to reach almost exact precision, would require an infinitely large measuring apparatus, which is again limited by gravity. This limitation means quantum mechanics is also an approximation.
.

[Anonymous No.16029891]

>>16029821
Meh.
>If you can’t convince them, confuse them.
We may not be able to measure hyperfine lengths of spacetime, but knowing for sure how gravitation works by observing it directly, probably wont be necessary. We just need a new interpretation. We knew the Higgs Boson mustve existed for years, but without an energy signature and a collider, we couldnt “prove” it. Gravity’ll be the same, we’ll know wxyz must be true, maybe even prove it on paper, —but just cant create it physically,

[Anonymous No.16030149]

New Meijer paper just dropped, fuckers;

>researchgate.net/publication/378177381_Quantum_Gravitation_in_the_Unified_Field_the_Age_of_the_Universe_and_Supermassive_Black_Holes

What do we think? I'm thinking it's very, very based indeed. I can't really decide if this nigger is completely insane or truly onto something here. Maybe it's both lol, it's very entertaining and exciting all the same though

[Anonymous No.16030239]

>>16029821
>that quantum mechanics are limited.
bros where can I become a quantum mechanic?

[Anonymous No.16030305]

>>15984624
how are wave interference patterns formed by discrete point particles then?

[Anonymous No.16031188]

>>15998971
He is a self admitted brainlet

[Anonymous No.16031469]

>>15983659
Photovoltaics, semi-conductors, all of chemistry?

It's annoying how QM got so much right, yet I somehow feel it is not the full picture. We're looking at nature through a small slot called QM, but there's so much more to it I think.

[Anonymous No.16031477]

>>16030305
wave interference is just an unintuitive statistical phenomena

it is so statistical that this paper shows you can get quantum-like interference phenomenain a card game if you just design the rules correctly in a way that imitates quantum incompatibility

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106072

any classical phenomena in any shape or form can have interference phenomena if it has context dependent phenomena that characterizes incompatibility

where does quantum incompatibility come from?

well its been proved that this kind of incompatibility is exactly an inherent feature of stochastic systems.... just randomly behaving particles have incompatibility. doesnt matter what kind.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1208.0258

so much so that you can even have brownian bell-type violations for entanglement (not exactly same as quantum but same mechanism you get some non-locality in a non-quantum stochastic system)

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0412132

brownian motion is just random motion of particle like dust in a glass of water

so from these points we see that interfetence is just statistical outcome of incompatibility. incompatibility occurs naturally in stochastic systems

in fact quantum-type uncertainty relations are behind the entropy production / current trade offs in stochastic thermodynamics

i would also even venture to guess that heisenberg uncertainty occurs naturally in wave phenomena because wave phenomena is actually just a consequence of mass random behavior (e.g. particles in water or sound vibrations in air etc)

interference is unintuitive but it does NOT need spooky things to explain

here we have another model this time explicitly of double slit showing that classical probability distributions can produce interference under correct conditions without need for spookyness

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0111159

[Anonymous No.16031483]

>>16031477
its also worth noting that the interference phenomena in the two different toy models i show (slit and cards) are mathematically identical

[Anonymous No.16031501]

>>16030239
oof, 'this a hard jerb, mate

[Anonymous No.16031503]

>>16031477
nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7jctqKsUMA

[Anonymous No.16031521]

>>15983557
Quantum Mechanics only doesn't make sense if you're a metaphysical retard who hasn't got past Plato (e.g. penrose). People being amazed at le counterintuitiveness of qm is no different than people sperging out about action at a distance. Just because something transgresses your metaphysical presuppositions doesn't mean it is counterintuitive.

[Anonymous No.16031534]

>>16031503
most people are ignorant on the true explanation for bells inequality bell didnt invent bells inequality he rediscovered booles inequality which is a purely statistical construct signifying when outcomes can be integrated into the same probability space. it has nothing to do with nonlocal forces. it is a completely formal consequence of violations of total probability which occur everywhere in quantum mechanics and are also the cause of interference. these nonlocal correlations do not need spooky forces to occur, only the break down in joint probability spaces which just means that you have to represent data on more than one probability space instead of a unifying one (i.e. in a bell entanglement scenario there is no unifying joint probability space, only one for each measurement setting.) good paper on it.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.13326

we dont need spooky forces to explain bell violations only a statistical system which cannot be unified into one joint probability space. as a consequence bell violations occur everywhere in nature. i already linked a paper in last post for entanglement in brownian motion. we also have classical light. we have bell violations in human social science even.. why? not nonlocality but failure of joint probabilities due to fact humans dont reason "rationally (see daniel kahneman work)

bell violations even occur locally suggesting they nothing inherently to do with nonlocality. all that is required is noncommutativity/incompatibility and noncommutativity/incompatibility was naturally explained in my last post.

bell violations follow from joint probability violation like 3 + 3 = 6. count 3 people in russia 3 people in china. still 6. the answer is purely formal.

people are just blinded. they want quantum mechanics to be spooky when all answers out in the open.

quantum mechanics purely statistical. random particles. thats it.

[Anonymous No.16031536]

>>16031503
here look. this is amazing


bell violations in google online data

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10699-018-9570-2

what i like about this isthat psychology and social science gets easily criticised for loose methods that allow bias and noise etc but this is like just unmoving data. its set in stone.

why does human documents violate fuckin bell inequalities? its not damn nonlocality

its violations of total probability. context dependence in human behavior and cognition. the same stuff in that famous daniel kahneman book thinking fast and slow

[Anonymous No.16031538]

>>16031503
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9chet_inequalities

and here boole inequality

i actually had other links in my first comment but it self destructed mid post and cba to redo it like it was with the links

[Anonymous No.16032456]

No it works

[Anonymous No.16032810]

looks at all the schizo reddit spacing in this thread.
why do redditiers insist on coming to 4chan to spam it with their pompous trash when they know that they're unwanted and unwelcome here?

[Anonymous No.16032877]

>>16032810
bad english bad writing etiqudtte isny mental illness

its all truth

[Anonymous No.16033562]

>>15983557
mostly

[Anonymous No.16034467]

>>16032456
no it doesn't

[Anonymous No.16034469]

qm: I sleep
q gravity: Real shit?

[Anonymous No.16034569]

>>15983659
Quantum tunneling applications, Nuclear magnetic applications. 15 Right there.

[Anonymous No.16034571]

>>16034569
>Nuclear magnetic resonance
is what I meant.