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(Taken from twitter)

At its core, race refers to different groups of humans who share certain distinctive physical and genetic traits due to unique historical patterns of migration, adaptation, and interbreeding.

Race is rooted in evolutionary biology and is clinal in nature, indicating that its traits gradually change both within and between different groups across geographical regions.

Race isn't about having different genes, a misconception often referred to as Lewontin's fallacy. Instead, it's about how different groups have different distributions and frequencies of shared gene variations, known as alleles. For example, just as some families may commonly have blue eyes, certain racial groups may have specific allele groupings that determine particular traits show up more frequently.

The combination of alleles a person inherits is their genotype. The observable traits, like hair or eye color, represents the phenotype — the outcome of the genotype interacting with environmental factors.

Racial realism contends that racial differences are objective facts, deeply rooted in nature, and not merely social constructs.

History shows that complex societies decline and collapse when they don't address fundamental issues. Many of today's challenges in the Western world stem from biological racial differences.

However, viewing race only as a social construct leads us to overlook the core of these problems, preventing us from asking the necessary questions to resolve them, thereby allowing these issues to fester & intensify.

We ignore the reality of race at our own peril.

*The above is a basic biological definition of race. This isn't to say that there aren't other components.

>> No.15954048

The idea that humanity is a single species was declared to be the inarguable truth by the UN in November of 1945, the idea has no basis in science and is just a declaration made by a bunch of politicians.
Since politicians control science funding, that political idea has to be accepted by the scientific community without question. Scientists in UN member nations, which is everywhere except for Taiwan and Vatican City, are therefore not permitted to study the reality that humans are not a single species.

>> No.15954069

>>15954035
>>15954035
It's not like I know what it means for something to be a social construct or not. Or to "only" be one?

>> No.15954093

What's with the sudden influx of thinly veiled nazi threads. Are elections in the US this year or what?

>> No.15954407

>>15954093
>science is nazi
cope

>> No.15954415
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15954415

>Race is not a social construct!
>Racial realism is objective fact
>says the person who can't prove local realism of the universe via quantum mechanics is true

Checkmate op

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15954419

>>15954035
Good thread. We should discuss race and IQ more often.

>> No.15954420

I am proud to be german :) Although we lost the war, we successfuly removed like 98% of the european jews and made them move into the desert where they fight muslims with sticks and stones

>> No.15954424

>>15954035
>t. least common denominator cope

>> No.15954426

>>15954407
There's nothing scientific about this whatsoever. It is just the reasoning of 100IQ racetards.

>> No.15954605

>>15954035
Obama being black is very much a social construct. His father being black, much less so.

>> No.15954641

>>15954035
>(Taken from twitter)
Holy shit kys

>> No.15954670

>>15954035
Genetics are not a social construct. Categorization is.

>> No.15954679

>>15954670
is periodic table also a social construct?

>> No.15954740

>>15954670
>>15954679
I'm neither of you but this tangent is sort of interesting. If one were to redesign a functional table of race, what would it look like? Where, for example, the rows highlight to unintentionally selected (evolutionary, continental) genetic clusters and the columns correspond to intentionally selected (?) genetic clusters.

>> No.15954742

>>15954035
Yeah, no shit. Race is subspecies but has now become to politically charged. Anyone with any sense knows this.

>> No.15955650

If you look at dogs breeds, then at human races, it becomes pretty obvious.

>> No.15956089

>>15954093
>nazi
go back to red.dit, pseudo

>> No.15956094

>>15954670
but "racial" differences are genetic differences thus race = genetics

>> No.15956131

>>15956089
Sorry, I'm out of date with my pronouns. I forgot how you baldies like to call yourself these days.

>> No.15956294

>>15954035
Race is real. Genetic predispositions are also real. But still, say that and they will think it's offense.

>> No.15957012

>>15954035
Think it's kind of funny how now that their is developing proof that we are different there is now a push to consider Neanderthals human as well.

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>>15954035

>> No.15957220

>>15954670
Yes. Race is complex but real. But you definitely can't break down humanity into a white, black, Asian and aboriginal. It's more complicated than that.

>> No.15957249

>>15954035
>(Taken from twitter)
Kill yourself. Twitter is not a scientifically valid source.

>> No.15957587 [DELETED] 

>>15957220
>It's more complicated than that.
no it isn't

>> No.15957891

>>15954035
You've been making this thread for over 2 years now. At least get a new image.

>> No.15958690

>>15957249
So if scientist post from a Twitter account all his/her knowlegde automatically become invalid?

>> No.15958696

>>15957891
You got the wrong guy, but you know what they say; great minds think alike

>> No.15960568

>taken from twitter
go back twimmigrant we're full

>> No.15960683

>>15954740
It would probably align somewhat with the models from the 1800s based on distinctive skull features

>> No.15960720

>>15960683
That’s the rows. More curious about column alignment

>> No.15960730

>>15960720
>column alignment
What do you specifically mean by that?

>> No.15961652

>>15954679
If you had bothered to learn what "social construct" means, you'd have figured it out on your own.

>> No.15961658

the planet adjusted its spin so that i could remain white baby lol

though my transportation suggests i'm black as night desu ~

>> No.15961659

>>15961658

forgot image but thats the word grimgar

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>>15961659

shit fogot image again

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>>15961662

or i could think i'm all of the colors lmao

>> No.15961680

>>15960730
Useful or functional traits that aren't tied to evolutionary divergence but that exist to varying degrees crossracially.

>> No.15961729

>>15961652
I actually did. That's why I know categorization is not what makes something socially constructed.

>> No.15961822

>>15954035
race isnt real

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15962559

Race is a social construct unless I need to call someone racist to socially intimidate them or because I can't intellectually counter their arguments.

>> No.15962654

>>15961822
you're so dumb, it's palpable

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>>15962559
>centuries of rape that occurred on black women doesn't count

>> No.15963341

>>15962669
it didn't tho

>> No.15963358

>>15957249
neither is your anime forum post, so you kys with him

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>>15962669
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have proof of this to present.

joking, we all know you dont idiot. Pretty much every race consider blacks more animal like than men so raping black women to them would be akin to bestiality. To pretend that this was wide spread is laughable

>> No.15963369

>>15954035
>(Taken from twitter)
Take it back

>> No.15964016

>>15954035
I need race science memes, if any anon here wants to give me any.

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Yes it's annoying that feelings take precedence over facts

>>15939233

>> No.15964137

>>15954605
One drop rule.

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>>15954740

>> No.15964154

I love how noticing trends in life puts a target on your back.

>> No.15964302

>>15962654
its a fact that race isnt real
all racial classifications are made up, its just lies used to aid politics, like some near identical populations will accuse some rival population of identical genetic makeup of being another race and inferior too, just to make war more palatable. Thats all it is.

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>>15964302
Whites are the only race able to be gaslit into believing "race isnt real", proving that race is real.

>> No.15964352

>>15964322
i intuitively believe that race is real or more to the point, that niggers and chimps. But i cant prove that scientifically. so i dont pretend its a scientific thing.
I have never seen an actual scientific definition of race. Its always some vague bullcrap like "group of kin with common culture" like that has anything to do with biology

>> No.15964847

>>15964302
it's not about assigning an importance or worthiness to exist, it's about acknowledging and embracing difference and understanding how it comes into play from a scientific standpoint. Something which you are uncapable and unwilling to do. Which will in turn propagate dangerous stereotypes within medicine because you're too stubborn to acknowledge the fact you're falsifying your beliefs to fit the socially-acceptable, and therefore, safe viewpoint. Because if you don't toe the social line, you'll be struck down mercilessly by equally weak, yet socially empowered individuals.

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>>15954035
In horticulture we call "sub-species" cultivars since there is no such thing as a sub-species....only a species. So it is with the Homo Sapien as well. I'm sure some will argue that a new Latin name need be fashioned for the different cultivars of human. I will not pontificate on such things but to say I would not be opposed to such advances in anthropology.

>>15954093
It' ideologically dogmatic faggots like this, this is why we can't have nice things. Did you ever notice it's the midwits and lower IQ cultivars who always cry the loudest when the high IQ cultivars demand a separation from their ape like "brethren"? Me think the lady doth protest too much.

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>>15954035
This is the only equivalent study done where the same IQ test was used in the same time period across a sample of European countries. The data are suppressed in favor of Raven's metric and other politically influenced tests. You can't even find the methodology on these data (although it exists) because it has been scrubbed. For reference, US mean IQ was 100 at the time (1981). Creativity and theory of mind are functions of increased dmPFC (dorsal medial prefrontal cortex) activity giving rise to action-outcome preferences. Creativity is just combinatorial abstractedness of IQ, and dmPFC hyperactivity is strongly correlated to neuroses and psychoses, thus corroborating the "creative genius" stereotype.

>> No.15965450

>>15964322
11/10 logic

>> No.15965469

>>15965450
11/10 idiocy. If race can be defined by a minority trait, it's useless.

>> No.15965838

>>15964870
Thanks for that non-answer at a post I made days ago. Happy new year.

>> No.15966251

Muslims are legit low iq barbarians

https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1744083803608391851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1744083803608391851%7Ctwgr%5Eaa017b577f49997b8ce5ab5b927e3bed66ad54df%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-1342744792822305871.ampproject.net%2F2312012346000%2Fframe.html

>> No.15966389

>>15964847
>Something which you are uncapable and unwilling to do.
Im extremely willing to yet i have never seen a scientific definition of race.

>> No.15966410

>>15966251
anon can't even post a twitter link properly but is talking about barbarians?

>> No.15966985

>>15966389
There is no scientific definition of race because there are no actionable traits that exist in a random member of one race that don't exist in a random member of another.

>> No.15967009

the modern accepted word for race is 'ecotype', so if you talk about human ecotypes you can say all the same things about race without people thinking you're racist

>> No.15967022

>>15967009
False, you can't.

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>>15964302
All methods of classification are made up, but their basis is biological objective reality.

>> No.15967357

>>15954035
Bone density among races

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9024231/

https://pastebin.com/s3bFMxcf

Racial bone health

https://americanbonehealth.org/races-ethnicities/10-things-to-know-about-racial-differences-in-bone-health/

Ethnic differences in brain derived neurotrophic factors:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657559/

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>>15954035
4. Smell:
5.
6. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4724538/
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9. PSOAS minor muscle:
10.
11. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10337963/
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14. African unknown hominid lineage:
15.
16. https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/genetic-traces-of-mysterious-human-lineage-detected-in-people-living-in
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18.
19. Effects of Neanderthal DNA:
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24. Brain size:
25.
26. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1862181/
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28.
29. Ra/cial Genetic HapMapping:
30.
31. https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-015-2328-0
32.
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34. Telomere length:
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39. Immune system:
40.
41. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161020142948.htm
42.
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44. Prostate cancer:
45.
46. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6966521/
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48.
49. Crohn’s disease and bacterial infections:
50.
51. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-10/uom-iso101716.php
52.
53.
54. Melanin and skin pigmentation:
55.
56. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11936268/
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58.
59. Ra/cial identification and forensic science:
60.
61. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26270337/
62.
63.
64. Va/ginal Shape (‘Pumpkin Seed’)
65.
66. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26270337/
67.
68.
69. Va/ginal microbiota:
70.
71. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5507447/
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74. Atrial fibrillation:
75.
76. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16573295/
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79. Central corneal thickness:
80.
81. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15582076/
82.
83.
84. Optic disk size:
85.
86. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19826388/
87.
88.
89. Size and shape of teeth:
90.
91. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564554/
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>>15954035
94. Lung capacity:
95.
96. https://watermark.silverchair.com/kwh297.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAApwwggKYBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKJMIIChQIBADCCAn4GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQME22V1ACKWC3V8fDfAgEQgIICT1XmelVdJAJ53K8kbL9fppmiG9kndjc6TpGSlSJ8BuzurG_qp_cElwsDv7nFlRzOAJrglbJl2Z0lXIs7MM2dBIQvaOBHhnyA5NLVCWe9wzoftf_v3DfUq7UtT5-5rUdzrUjVWabRPaLEa-iNCW5nWcuTImO57VtloTuMtTjJBDi2BnsVIjeA3EttPJPIWOWiIW9T8Bcnqs98agp0_z-TsXHRQqm85Jh_4fbMMAsGB5KgMEkFvjopeYsFmJM_Dg08w8XHxXSftXu7RRd_suLAL2PvjPDxFQ6-S6UWYB7MnxbwtvnDR0RfpyNcmXv7CZImv-EbIUyh9Lrz_WCVIcLWhfnnvVBEuu8PMxgUoBHU02oOqUWoEnyPVAt698HHFyVIonEdHeBHkN2znuZagDxACGxhakz302eUWH6WG5VKKJHs-znzBsLHEZLvRt_VoeoKghknkG7NqygMibKIMaErsEeHN4GPfjrUlOEq6wNdxB6lGuUWZ0ChJWPYqeIP823liy3hFMOv3bT_jYrP1coekZxF0iD7PFYwj_e3RNX1cjOABzPkWfx-jaM3ehUkz_wBhty976cQEwtv-7xDNe9bfyp23xUV5cN_t3Wji5XLRuRu4JQJx9BhgMEUENk9A0n_fqeJTlle47b0z4Oarh18WpG5jyREPtz3mVc4RoWCu89dZ2u66ixoN0QBOcwdK7WF6dcjy_6G2z6vHxkbwB0zl5miCPSaBg3GNoScs-1qVW4Bu92DCgCM0CpPnIjCDLrYfCxpXRqcIm5s59nDAzfbNg
97.
98.
99. Lung function and chest size:
100.
101. https://fn.bmj.com/content/90/5/F423

>> No.15968564

Why do they bury all these clear group differences in word games?