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15953788 No.15953788 [Reply] [Original]

>Just one more collider bro
Is he right?

>> No.15953790

>>15953788
he mad european science is much more advanced than american science

>> No.15953795
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15953795

>>15953788
Stopping SSC has done irreparable damage to the particle physics community in the US.

>> No.15953804

>>15953788
I can't really tell what side he's taking there. But I think that meme does kind of sum up what people are starting to think it's actually happening, because we hear plans for more accelerators in the media every so often but very little appears to come out of all the money being put in. The outcome of the last Snowmass meeting for long term planning of physics was not good.
>The articles report that two major problems stymied the field: lack of observation of new particles and rocketing costs of ongoing projects
>No unexpected particles were observed in the first 15 years of data-taking at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the highest energy accelerator on Earth—a disappointment stated by many physicists throughout the Snowmass process,[16] and reflecting a view that has also been expressed outside of the Snowmass meetings.[17]
>Although LHC will continue to run with modest upgrades, this lack of discovery leaves no clear focus for the next decade of high energy searches, and may also point to a “nightmare-scenario” where the Standard Model that forms the present basis of particle physics is complete up to the Planck scale (an energy level far beyond the ability of any conceivable experiment to probe) and particle physics “wheeze[s] to its end.”[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowmass_Process#Outcomes_of_Snowmass_2021

Really I think we should build more accelerators. Just not for quite a while though. Maybe not for a few centuries. Maybe more effort should be put into researching cost reduction strategies and other methods of experimentation and just general microscopy research and stuff.

>> No.15953829

>Just one more lab bro
>I'm sure we'll figure out X much faster now
Is he retarded?

>> No.15953961

Even a collider literally hundreds of millions of miles long does not have enough energy so the whole thing is a con.

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>>15953795
who cares? the particle physics community is a bunch of worthless pointless unproductive wasters, they're no better than the astrotards

>> No.15955196

They can't even handle all the data that LHC produces so I don't see the point. The improvements they've made and plan to make for it has also outscaled data capture and storage ability.

>> No.15955782

imagine spending that much money and accomplishing nothing with it and then asking for more money

>> No.15955788

>>15953795
>Number of Moons US has landed on: 1
>Number of Moons Europe has landed on: 0
Hmmm... perhaps Europe just needs multiple more colliders and then they'll achieve similar results.

>> No.15955792

>>15955167
>..he spewed into the World Wide Web

>> No.15955796

>>15955788
Not only has Europe landed on the moon, they also have LHC and free healthcare. Really makes you wonder where US tax money goes.

>> No.15956217

>>15953804
>No unexpected particles were observed in the first 15 years of data-taking at the Large Hadron Collider

WTF was the expectation? The theorists had a 50+ year head start to get their math right and the nominal purpose was to prove these theories right to make sure we know wtf is going on. Were some asshole experimentalists really hoping to find some anomaly and make their career off of clickbait "EINSTEIN BTFO" articles?

>cost reduction strategies and other methods of experimentation
wakefield accelerators are going to put these ivory-tower academic dickheads out of business.

>REEE YOU CAN'T JUST BUY AN AFFORDABLE TeV ACCELERATOR AND INSTALL IT IN THE BASEMENT OF YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MULTIYEAR ULTRACOMPETITIVE PROPOSAL PROCESS, PAY ME EXTORTIONATE AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR A WEEK OF BEAMTIME ON MY ANCIENT RF ACCELERATOR, AND MAKE ME A CO-AUTHOR ON ALL YOUR PAPERS REEEEE!

>> No.15956565

>>15955796
>free healthcare
someone explain to me why I'm paying 200€ a month for something that's free despite not seeing a doctor for 10 years

>> No.15956569

>>15955796
Europe hasn't landed on shit.
>but we sent a robot
HAS NOT LANDED ON SHIT

>> No.15956571

>>15953788
He's implying they can actually promise anything. This is a religious expenditure at this point, and I say that knowing that we've had two decent actual confirmations in the smaller colliders.

>> No.15956574

>>15956565
Because Europe is a total shithole and it's political policies are a disaster?

>> No.15956897

Are they going to do another satanic ritual sacrifice at the opening of the next one?

>> No.15957398

>>15956574
150 years ago Europe was the center of the universe and controlled the entire planet, now its political backwater on the verge of collapse, all because of "progressive" socialism

>> No.15957777 [DELETED] 

>>15953795
>the particle physics community in the US.
They don't produce anything of value, they're just worthless leeches, a bunch of useless eaters that waste far more resources than the average useless eater, they deserve worse than "irreparable damage", they should be permanently eliminated

>> No.15957780

>>15957777
Quads of capitalistic shilling

>> No.15957869 [DELETED] 

>>15957780
>>>/pol/

>> No.15957879

>>15957777
>>15957869
>REE DON'T DISAGREE WITH ME. EVERY SCIENTIFIC EFFORT MUST PRODUCE PROFITS. THAT'S MY TAX DOLLARS, AND I ONLY WANT THEM TO GO DIRECTLY INTO THE PORTFOLIOS OF MY FAVORITE BILLIONAIRE REEEE.

>> No.15958388

>>15953795
Bill Clinton was given a choice between funding the SSC or ISS. He knew ISS would be far more popular with the /tv/ consuming public, so that's what he picked. If particlefags want the government to spend more on their toys, they need to start making interesting entertainment for the masses related to their colliders.

>> No.15958928

neither europe not america has the capability to execute such a project anymore, all of the resources of both regions are devoted to caring for third world immigrants