/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15927793]

If you went back in time there would be nothing there. All the atoms that make up you and the earth and everyone you know are here in the present, now. They are moving into the future at a rate of 1 second per second. If you go through space fast enough you can slow your travel in time and different amounts of relative time will pass between you and where these atoms will be. So you can "catch up" to all these atoms and thus "time travel to the future". But you cant go to the past and interact with the other atoms that make up earth, because they are not there anymore and they are not heading into the past.

There are not atoms that are in the past and the present and the future. For instance if you "went back in time" you would have to take the rest of the earth with you, or you would be "back in time" alone. The atoms that make up the bulk of the earth are no longer in the past. Just think about how little sense it makes; if you go back in time 1 year and I go back in time 10 years and someone else goes back in time 100 years and we all interact with the past.. you are saying there are at least 4 of every atom. Three in the past and one in the present. Atoms only exist in once place and time at a time.

it's really not even complicated

[Anonymous No.15927810]

[Anonymous No.15927820]

Wow, Dunning-Kruger to the max with a hint of mental illness.
Time travel is currently restricted for entirely other reasons.
Your reason would only work under one interpretation of how time works. We don't know how time works, but your interpretation is the weakest contender. See a psychiatrist, this will at some point become a problem for you and those around you. You might be dangerous.

[Anonymous No.15927822]

>>15927820
Why do you think the atoms that make up the bulk of earth exist in the past?

[Anonymous No.15927830]

>>15927822
The past does not "exist" independently from the atoms. Either they do exist in the past because all states are eternal, or it doesn't exist at all. Or the question is less meaningful than we think.

[Anonymous No.15927831]

>>15927830
>they do exist in the past because all states are eternal
That does not make any sense

[Anonymous No.15927837]

If you look at an atom under a microscope and keep your eyes on it. You are watching it travel through time. If you watch it for an hour you are seeing the same atom through the hour.

how could someone go to when you were watching it 10mins ago and see it? it's not there anymore, it's 10 mins in the future. When did it become 2 atoms? one you are watching in the past and one in the future?

[Anonymous No.15927883]

>>15927837
I am observing whatever state I am currently entangled with.
>how could someone go to when you were watching it 10mins ago and see it?
I couldn't, but not for the reasons you believe, and you can't know it's "not there". It might very well be there, in the past.

[Anonymous No.15928003]

>>15927793
I think that's mostly right. There's no way to go back into the past using relativistic effects, so to go back in time you would basically need to rewind the path of every particle in the universe back to some prior state. There is only 1 timeline so whether the past or future even exists is debateable. The future you can access via relativistic effects is still on the same 1 timeline. Some parts of the universe just progress slower due to gravity

[Anonymous No.15928230]

>>15928003
yeah it's weird, the past is lost, as information. what we can do is work out the past based on present information. say you find the remains of a broken glass, you can work out what it was before, based on the information that is available.
and retroactively you'd have the same issue with uncertainty, just like peering into the future. at some point you can't KNOW, there's only chances.

[Anonymous No.15928242]

wouldn't picrel prevent sloshing?

[Anonymous No.15928285]

well duh, before me was nothing but the dark ages - i have the first iteration of AI (character creation).

you plebs will die and be forgotten.

[Anonymous No.15928302]

>>15928285
>you plebs will die and be forgotten.
what good does being remembered do to you if you are dead? pff

[Anonymous No.15928323]

>>15928230
Yeah the past is basically lost. But things like star light take so long to reach us that it's like looking at a past state of the stars. It happens locally to though but it's such a small amount of time that it doesn't really matter. Like looking at your computer screen you're actually seeing what the screen looked like in the past, but because you're so close it's only like 1 femtosecond in the past or whatever

[Anonymous No.15928412]

time and time travel are really complicated and hard. currently i believe it will be a problem for ASI to solve in 2030s. But, i do not believe travel to past is possible unless someone solves faster than lite travel, again a problem for ASI.

i believe we Will solve travel to Near alternate universe earths and arrival by time frame is possible, future or past, from our perspective ala time travel. caveat is you will never be able to return to origin world.

past present future exist simultaneously.

its complicated,

[Anonymous No.15928433]

>>15928412
>past present future exist simultaneously.
no they don't. If they did traveling near the speed of light would not let you move in a relative way through time differently than the place you left

[Anonymous No.15928445]

>>15927883
We can't say anons theory is sound, but what makes it necessarily invalid? Or less valid than others?

[Anonymous No.15928460]

there's no such thing as past. for all we care it's as fuzzy as the future, apart from the info we have about it.
the present is always the clearest, behind and in front it's fuzzy as imposed by the laws of nature. you can't work back how particles were just as you can't work out where the particles will be. you can sort of approximate with all the chaos.

[Anonymous No.15928829]

>>15928460
>thing

[Anonymous No.15928833]

what law of physics does teleportation break if you teleport to a second location with the same potential energy? no elevation change, no cheating or 'creating' energy. What law of physics forces me to actually walk through every point between A and B?

[Anonymous No.15928839]

>>15928833
think statistics. even if some atom does, they kinda have to do it all at once. when you work out the chances it gets weird

[Anonymous No.15928845]

>>15928833
>>15928833
depends on the specifics of how your teleporter works and transfers information.

[Anonymous No.15928869]

>>15928845
thought he was talking about tunneling or some shit.
teleporter should transport information, your information. it should work as far as the receiver/re-assembler reached. and considering you tx with enough power and redundancy for data to be picked up at destination. but your info gets to travel at the speed of light.

[Anonymous No.15928873]

>>15928869
there is no absolute theoretical law of physics you are breaking but in real scenario you would have to have the energy of a thermonuclear bomb going off to do that, and a computer of unimaginable capability to store and reassemble that information

[Anonymous No.15928886]

>>15928873
depends on level of abstraction. if you want to compact the shit out of it you abstract the neurons/synapse weights (as example, supposing there isn't anything else required, many ****) and attach the DNA code. your whole body is packed in it, and you basically add your brainstate encoding to it.
100 billion neurons with synapse weights might come out seriously way lower than you might expect, as quantity of data. the dna is what, KBs? MBs?

[Anonymous No.15928889]

>>15928886 (me)
but yeah rebuilding your body based on DNA...preeeety fucking challenging. but makes for WAY less data being transmitted. at least that's what my intuition tells me

[Anonymous No.15928892]

>>15928873
or the easiest way is to get a new body, as in new design. some standard shit. and add your brainstate to it, that's the lightest you can travel.
you don't want to also beam your cancer along with your brainstate do you?

[Anonymous No.15928894]

>>15928892
if you do that you are not really traveling you are just killing yourself and making a new copy/version somewhere else

[Anonymous No.15928895]

>>15928889
>my intuition tells me

[Anonymous No.15928896]

>>15928894
>you are just killing yourself
kek. you don't even understand what that means. it's a primitive observation in the absence of anything else.

[Anonymous No.15928900]

>>15928895
well scanning and saving the data for each atom in your body is bound to result in a fuckload of data compared to a txt with all your code in it. if you think about it, just a bit, your intuition will also tell you the very same thing, unless you are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15928919]

>>15928896
>kek. you don't even understand what that means.
prettty sure i do

in what you propose you could kill yourself then copy yourelf 1000 times or wait 1000 years to even make a copy, or never make one at all

but let's say it hurt, however this works. YOU would feel the pain of death then die. copies dont make you less dead

[Anonymous No.15928922]

>>15928919
>YOU would feel the pain of death then die.
you don't have to understand it, what matter is that other people smarter than you understand it. you will believe your informational authority when it explains it to you. you know there is nothing I can say that will make you change your mind, so I guess you'd have to wait a while until you're being told by whoever you trust. dunno what else to say.

[Anonymous No.15928942]

>>15928922
Yeah bro i guess if i stabbed you to death and you died slowly and painfully that would not count if i saved your brain information and never reused it

[Anonymous No.15928948]

>>15928942
but when you get in a teleporter it doesn't stab you to death, let you bleed and captures your brainstate right when dying. why would you frame it this way?

[Anonymous No.15928953]

>>15928948 me
>>15928942
as in, why do you conflate the two, like the primitive chimpanzee I guessed you are?
you are talking about pain, for some weird reason. what does that have to do with the teleporter? death does not hurt, your body does, signalling shit is bad, that...the pain, that is not death. that is experience. if you captured someone's brainstate right when dying, after being stabbed, and brought them back, you did not kill them, but you did inflict serious physical and psychological harm to that person.

[Anonymous No.15928959]

>>15928953
Why do you conflate creating a replica of a person with "bringing them back?"

[Anonymous No.15928961]

>>15928959
I don't, you need to explain why it's not the same person...

[Anonymous No.15928963]

>>15928953
>, and brought them back, you did not kill them,
if you did "bring them back" by implanting their brainstate in some kind of clone, you would have killed them

what "you" are is your atoms with all subatomic particles and their influence from the big bang to their formation as elements in stars to now. If I destroy the "you" you are now and make a copy later someplace else it will be a copy the atoms in the copy will not share the history of time and location and creation from the big bang till now. And thus will not be "you" and thus will react slightly differently to stimuli and situations than "you" would because the thing that is you with your history only exists once. As they say in the collector market about cars and shit:

"it's only original once" if you repaint a car and change a bunch of shit out, it's not original anymore; it's different, it does not have the provenance and history of the real original unaltered

[Anonymous No.15928966]

>>15928963
>what "you" are is your atoms with all subatomic particles and their influence from the big bang to their formation as elements in stars to now. If I destroy the "you" you are now and make a copy later someplace else it will be a copy the atoms in the copy will not share the history of time and location and creation from the big bang till now. And thus will not be "you" and thus will react slightly differently to stimuli and situations than "you" would because the thing that is you with your history only exists once. As they say in the collector market about cars and shit:
you are fucking insane bro. and you will specifically miss the point even if you understand it.
>"it's only original once" if you repaint a car and change a bunch of shit out,
meds

[Anonymous No.15928975]

>>15928966
>>"it's only original once" if you repaint a car and change a bunch of shit out,
>meds
?

it's true and well held in the car market. If you have an "original" 1963 corvette that means it has not been repainted. If someone has at some point in it's history stripped all the paint of and repainted it it is no longer "original" it does not matter if the color is nearly the same, the way the paint was applied and the age of the paint do not originate in 1963. The paint will have been dry for 10 years vs. 60 years on an original.

it's not that complicated, when 2 things are different they are not the same

that's what different means.

[Anonymous No.15928978]

>>15928975
your body is different now than it was when you typed your reply. you have a skewed understand of what we actually are. here lies the problem, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
basically the implications of what I am saying are kinda going against your philosophy and what you think humans are and especially against what you think humans should think they are.
the fact that you don't directly open with this, and go in a roundabout way by attacking all kinds of strawmen is pretty shitty.
you have your work cut out for you, you need to start jumping through a bunch of hoops, performing stellar mental gymnastics to somehow cobble together some shit arguments, culminating in you plainly saying that humans HAVE to die, which is testimony to your insanity and flawed perception of who we actually are.

[Anonymous No.15928983]

With the latitude or longitude matching the speed of light falling cleanly within the grid square of the great pyramid, namely 29.9792458N (and where the displacement from the apex can be used to measure temporal divergence), I heard that there were successful archeological expeditions at my childhood phone numbers: 299-2143 and 297-8149.

[Anonymous No.15928985]

>>15928983
The sphinx pic is the reason why I am call The Lion of the Tribe of Judah. I am the Lord.

[Anonymous No.15928987]

>>15928983
>>15928985

[Anonymous No.15928988]

The Time Travel Interpretation of the Bible
>https://vixra.org/abs/2304.0073
We describe the Biblical work of ages as a time travel program for saving humanity from extinction. God's existence is proven as a consequence of the existence of time travel, which is supposed. We present the case that Abraham's grandson Jacob, also called Israel, is Satan. We make the case that the Israelites are described as God's chosen people in the Bible despite their identity as the children of Satan because God's Messiah is descended from Abraham through Satan. They are chosen as the ancestors of the Messiah rather than as Satan's children. We propose an interpretation in which God commanded Abraham to kill his son Isaac to prevent Isaac from becoming the father of Satan. We suggest that God stayed Abraham's hand above Isaac because preventing the existence of Satan would also prevent the existence of Satan's descendant the Messiah. The history of the Israelites is summarized through Jesus and Paul. This book is written so that the number of believers in the world will increase.

[Anonymous No.15928990]

>>15928988
>>15928988
The secret of the hidden scroll.

[Anonymous No.15928991]

>>15928978
If you do what you are saying and make 1000 clones of someone. They will each have the history of being "created 1 year ago in a laboratory in X city fully grown"

only you have the history of being born to your mother only you are original

There will be other implications that you have not thought of. The history of every atom in the universe is unique the history of the atoms in the copy will not be the same as the history of your atoms right now.

only you are original, copies are different

[Anonymous No.15928996]

>>15928991
>only you are original, copies are different
that is on you to prove. seriously.
we are that which is encoded by the matter arrangement, that which can experience in any body, compatible of-course. you don't have to try to hard to confuse yourself on this subject. it's quite easily done. but it all comes down to understanding WHAT we are. there lies the issue. once you understand it, and how to manage it, works perfect.
not only do you have a serious task in proving there's anything that can't be captured as data, you need to understand how seriously you need to scientifically PROVE your claims. that there's anything missing.

[Anonymous No.15929007]

>>15928996
>not only do you have a serious task in proving there's anything that can't be captured as data,
You could capture as data states and parts of the subatomic structure of each atom (which you would indeed have to do) and yet not be able to recreate it exactly as recorded in synch down to the nano second with every other atom in the body.

Capturing the information is just step one and a fun theoretical exercise and maybe possible. Physically recreating every atom with the same properties down to quantum flux decay states...not so fun or maybe possible

[Anonymous No.15929014]

>>15927793
What if they are there but just in a different location in the universe since the earth is moving through space?

[Anonymous No.15929016]

>>15929007
>I'll argue for as highest resolution as needed to not be possible with no reason whatsoever.
it will be pretty easy to figure resolution out. pff. maybe try something else? kinda getting bored with the low tier arguments.

[Anonymous No.15929028]

>>15929016
>>I'll argue for as highest resolution as needed to not be possible with no reason whatsoever.
>it will be pretty easy to figure resolution out.
you think you will be able to destroy a human then recreate him in lower resolution and that recreating him as an inferior copy will mean he did not die

strong logic bro

[Anonymous No.15929030]

>>15929016
>easy

[Anonymous No.15929041]

>>15929030
that is not tied to only the brain, info we gather from AGI work into "consciousness", work done by AI on unlocking how the brain works, all these will eventually converge to give a better idea of what needs to be captured.>>15929028
>you think you will be able to destroy a human then recreate him in lower resolution and that recreating him as an inferior copy will mean he did not die
yeah. if I start replacing your atoms one by one, at which point is it not you anymore?
as needed resolution there's a lot of noise past some point, you don't need it, it's not special noise, it's just noise. doesn't do shit compared to other similar noise.

[Anonymous No.15929050]

>>15929041
homie serotonin is made in the guy by your gut biome

to have a passable copy you would have to re create and position literally trillions of gut microbes. And that's just to start, you are working on a no offense but pretty stupid reductionist platform. The human brain is part of your body and the states of all your atoms, it's not independent. you cant fudge or "get close" with as much as you are thinking before you are making a different person

[Anonymous No.15929051]

>>15929041
>yeah. if I start replacing your atoms one by one, at which point is it not you anymore?
this is not what is being proposed

[Anonymous No.15929056]

>>15929051
but is a good exercise in understanding how you are wrong in what you think we humans actually are.
>>15929050
not only is it you, you don't even HAVE to have biological human body. you can experience from an equivalent in function arrangement. some sort of synthetic body with you know...all your shit as far as senses go. say for chilling out on Mars, with no protection. two hours later back in another one on Earth. pretty weird.
>literally trillions of gut microbes.
yeah but I have no issue with leaving any cancer behind you see... don't give a flying fuck about gut biome anon, I'll just take some probiotics to populate it. or have bio-printer include them in correct ratio. these are retarded details.
the implication that I can't be bothered to really make is that you got SERIOUS justification for why we should just fucking die instead of becoming immortal, travel at lightspeed to already reached places, and experience way less limiting bodies. and "gut feeling" doesn't work in this case. you need solid scientific proof for why it won't work because there's something that is getting lost (apart from say cancer, or gut biome).

[Anonymous No.15929061]

>>15929056
>not only is it you, you don't even HAVE to have biological human body. you can experience from an equivalent in function arrangement. some sort of synthetic body with you know...all your shit as far as senses go
yeah an this is a duck, if i kill a duck and replace it with this. The duck never died

idiocy

https://www.google.com/search?q=reductionist

[Anonymous No.15929065]

>>15927793
>1 second per second
Oh, okay, thanks for clearing that up, highchool drop out.

[Anonymous No.15929066]

>>15929056
>don't give a flying fuck about gut biome anon, I'll just take some probiotics to populate it.
you do not understand the fundamental issue

[Anonymous No.15929067]

>>15929061
>https://www.google.com/search?q=reductionist
funny that you think this is an argument kek you can't just throw random words at me anon, you need to personally make a fucking argument.

[Anonymous No.15929069]

>>15929067
>funny that you think this is an argument kek you can't just throw random words at me anon, you need to personally make a fucking argument.
you do not understand the argument; literally you are in a state of pre understanding.

[Anonymous No.15929070]

>>15929066
>you do not understand the fundamental issue
I'm saying it doesn't matter. it's irrelevant. on your deathbed you won't give a flying fuck, especially if all your friends changed theirs with younger ones, and sat around your bed while you are dying for the last year, and you KNOW it's still them, nothing got lost, they tell you the very same thing. in that particular case, you won't give a flying fuck about gut biome.

[Anonymous No.15929074]

>>15929070
>I'm saying it doesn't matter. it's irrelevant. on your deathbed you won't give a flying fuck, especially if all your friends changed theirs with younger ones
I don't know what you are talking about anymore, but you are not talking about transporting someone from one place to another without killing them

[Anonymous No.15929076]

>>15929067
>>15929069
ok we seem to have a huge disconnect here. I don't care that you can build an argument, it has to explain WHY we can't do it.
>but there's this weird math framework and if it's not identical down to string level it's not actually that
yeah, tell that to the next dying person. see how much they care about your obscure irrelevant ideas about why they should just fucking die

[Anonymous No.15929078]

>>15929076
>yeah, tell that to the next dying person. see how much they care about your obscure irrelevant ideas about why they should just fucking die
in what way are you saving their life? what are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.15929081]

>>15929074
>killing
big problem, because you're using this word the wrong way. you are using it like humans used it WITHOUT having a choice of not dying. in this sense you are wrong, you are specifically misrepresenting it.

[Anonymous No.15929084]

>>15929078
well in the sense that after you do it they'll be pretty fucking happy that technology allows them to not die and continue fucking living anon, it's pretty fucking clear.

[Anonymous No.15929087]

>>15929084
>well in the sense that after you do it they'll be pretty fucking happy that technology allows them to not die and continue fucking living anon, it's pretty fucking clear.
you are not talking about what method you are using or why we are talking about people on their death bed and not would be travelers trying to explore and doing this over and over again as a matter of travel

[Anonymous No.15929090]

>>15929087
because you entering a booth and teleporting and a 105 year old on his death bed getting into the teleporter 10 minutes before dying would result in the same thing, them having fresh bodies on the receiving end of the teleporter. it's pretty easy.
you don't have to use it, but people on their deathbed will want to.

[Anonymous No.15929117]

>>15929090
>it's pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.15929122]

>>15929117
lots of work for sure. nice reward.
picrel is how we colonize our solar system. well more human bio like, just that makes more sense to adapt our bodies to the environments we wish to colonize rather than retardedly trying to recreate Earth's on them.

[Anonymous No.15929145]

>>15929117
I found picrel in some 2009 study but I think I saw a more recent chart with some tech reaching synapse level scanning. we might literally already have the tech for "capturing". like right now, just that clearly not purpose-built or yet up to the full task. that's the thing.

[Anonymous No.15929149]

there is no universe without the observer.
but if the observer belives hard enough, it will exist.
you just want to be a faggot for no reason.

[Anonymous No.15929196]

>>15929066
>you do not understand the fundamental issue
I don't have to. the fundamental issue you are mentioning has to matter in this reality.
not sure of your frame of mind, as in what you are imagining is happening. I'm not trying to like convince you. I don't really care. I am telling you what I think is most likely to happen because I don't see why it wouldn't work, with what I understand about it.
you can completely ignore it and believe it won't work. if you make that bet sure. but, if it works it kinda gives a weird magnitude of like ... what do you call it, advantage/upper hand. anyone doing it will have a massive massive advantage. unless you think you can stop everyone trying to develop it.

[Anonymous No.15929209]

when I take a step forward and move an inch, my body is not being rebuilt or reassembled, so why wouldn't I be able to take a step of 1000 miles and instantly be in point B without being rebuilt. The whole re-assembly/destruction and reconstruction of an item seems dumb to me. You aren't reconstructing anything. The thing you are just moves to point B without acquiring any new energy or violating any laws of physics

[Anonymous No.15929216]

>>15929209
you move matter not information. information can travel at lightspeed. matter needs more energy to be moved from A to B.
>instantly
that's the problem with matter. and the most "instantly" you can travel is at lightspeed. which you can as information. your material structure is like a 3D active instance of that info. you can stop it manifesting here, send the whole info to another planet at light speed, and reassemble the 3D active form, and resume activity from where you paused it.
you can move the 3D active form, the matter enabling you, but it's seriously way more expensive, and complicated, and takes more time.

[Anonymous No.15929313]

>>15929216
I want to learn more about this. Is matter information? If I somehow teleport myself, would it be the same as instantly transmitting information?

[Anonymous No.15929377]

>>15929313
>I want to learn more about this. Is matter information? If I somehow teleport myself, would it be the same as instantly transmitting information?

https://youtu.be/GlKL_EpnSp8?t=8

[Anonymous No.15929388]

>>15928900
fucking hell, slap your biology teacher then KYS.

[Anonymous No.15929389]

So if the big bang is real... If life can be born of an explosion... If something that is alive can come from fire, from a concussive force then that means you have to believe that life exists in (or tangential to) black holes...

Obviously not in a conventional sense... Life must exist in a higher or outer dimension in that black hole until all black holes join together and explode into a new universe.

[Anonymous No.15929449]

>>15929389
>Life must exist in a higher or outer dimension in that black hole until all black holes join together and explode into a new universe.
>must
life does not have to exist anywhere else; this could be the most unlikely thing that has ever happened

[Anonymous No.15929498]

>if you go back you wouldn't go back in time
Nice premise, OP.

[Anonymous No.15929511]

>>15929498
You would go back "in time" but you would be alone. Like if a train were moving down the tracks at 5mph.You could get out of the train and walk to where it was in the past.. but the train would not be there. You would be back in time alone.

You could run faster than the train and then the train would catch up with you in the future, that is how you can go forward in time by traveling near the speed of light.

[Anonymous No.15929512]

>>15929498
You would go back "in time" but you would be alone. The earth is like a moving train. if a train were moving down the tracks at 5mph.You could get out of the train and walk to where it was in the past.. but the train would not be there. You would be back in time alone.

You could run faster than the train and then the train would catch up with you in the future, that is how you can go forward in time by traveling near the speed of light.

[Anonymous No.15929516]

>>15929388
not an argument

[Anonymous No.15929525]

>>15929388
full human DNA - 750-850MB as I've seen estimates online
https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2019/how-much-data-genome/
https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/110458/dna-as-a-data-storage-medium-how-many-gb-can-a-human-genome-store
not sure you realize how many atoms are inside your body, if you were to write their position down.

[Anonymous No.15929579]

>>15927831
At which instant of time does time pass

[Anonymous No.15929600]

>>15927793
Yes, that's why it's not possible to travel back in time by going faster, nor travelling in and out of a gravity well. Everything keeps travelling forwards into the future, but at different rates relative to each other, depending on their relative speeds, and their positions within a gravity well.

[Anonymous No.15930285]

>>15929209
that's not teleportation, what you described is being fired from a cannon

[Anonymous No.15930298]

>>15927793
long winded way of saying there is not tangible real past to go back to. or maybe the flow of time is an illusion we perceive and every moment always exists in a static block of 5d space. To bad for you humans that your brains didn't evolve to sense reality correctly otherwise this would all be painfully obvious.

[Anonymous No.15930307]

>>15927793
Saying the future doesn't exist (yet) isn't exactly controversial.

[Anonymous No.15930389]

>>15929512
You offer nice analogies, but can you actually prove that time works this way?

[Anonymous No.15930754]

>>15930389
>You offer nice analogies, but can you actually prove that time works this way?
Time does work that way as far as going into the future. You can travel near the speed of light and one day might pass for you while many years pass on earth. This is experimentally proven.

There is no reason to think the matter that makes up the earth exists in the past. Our present is the past's future. Atoms probably only exist at once place and time at a time. If they were to exist in the present and past how would that work? Where is their mass?

[Anonymous No.15930757]

>>15930298
>To bad for you humans that your brains didn't evolve to sense reality correctly otherwise this would all be painfully obvious.
this is probably actually true

there is some way of looking at it that would make everything painfully obvious

[Anonymous No.15931274]

>>15930298
>tangible

[Anonymous No.15932382]

>>15930298
>long winded

[Anonymous No.15932760]

>>15930307
>Saying the future doesn't exist (yet) isn't exactly controversial.

[Anonymous No.15934005]

>>15930757
>painfully

[Anonymous No.15934030]

>>15930757
Even if true it couldn't be rationally affirmed as it undermines itself. It's a shitpost.

[Anonymous No.15934541]

>>15934030
>Even if true it couldn't be rationally affirmed as it undermines itself. It's a shitpost.
all posts are shitposts

[Anonymous No.15934563]

what if there's many worlds at the same time, but they're multiplexed in the same space? you'd only have to expand the time dimension to account for all of them.
and dark matter may be some "bleed-through" or some shit.

[Anonymous No.15934566]

>>15934563 (me)
where Nobel

[Anonymous No.15934573]

>>15927793
What if there are other atoms entirely in the past? Ones that started later, ones that move slower than 1 second per second, or even ones that go in the other direction? A universe filled with cat girls and happiness could be just a second behind us.

[Anonymous No.15934856]

>>15934563
>what if there's many worlds at the same time, but they're multiplexed in the same space?
whatif that is a dumb idea

[Anonymous No.15934861]

>>15934856
what if argument

[Anonymous No.15934984]

>>15934573
There is no mechanism for this. There is zero reason to think this happens past fantasy. All evidence points to atoms existing only once

[Anonymous No.15935098]

>>15934984
oh scuse me so if Feynman tells you there's a single fucking electron poping in and out EVERYWHERE in the universe that's fine. but if I propose something similar oh noes that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.15935594]

>>15935098
>oh scuse me so if Feynman tells you there's a single fucking electron poping in and out EVERYWHERE in the universe that's fine.
wat

[Anonymous No.15935597]

>>15935594
well ok Wheeler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe

[Anonymous No.15935621]

>>15935098
>oh scuse me so if Feynman tells you there's a single fucking electron poping in and out EVERYWHERE in the universe that's fine. but if I propose something similar oh noes that's retarded.
i never said that was fine, however there is math to back it up and it answers a lot of questions. Infinite versions of every atom in existence mean that mass has to be somewhere and we can observe atoms as they travel through time and it does not appear that they are somehow creating duplicates whenever they are acted upon

[Anonymous No.15935627]

>>15935621
not infinite and not creating duplicates. think of TV scan lines. each line is a time unit but each "pixel" is a "universe".
we have no idea what happens between two planck-seconds. if the universe would be frozen by some god, and resumed a billion years later, we wouldn't be able to tell.

[Anonymous No.15935643]

>>15935627
>by some god, and resumed a billion years later, we wouldn't be able to tell.
mayb god created the universe last Thursday in is present form with us programmed with our memories and planted fossils and the light coming from distant galaxies...

[Anonymous No.15935651]

>>15935643
yeah that's the issue, exactly. not saying there is a god who does this shit, but if there were, we wouldn't be able to tell. unless there's some bleed-through from his fuckery

[Anonymous No.15935668]

>>15935643
anyway the actual idea was that if we are rendered in, when we "exist" for that brief time, it would be us experiencing this world. if we blip out of existence and another world is rendered in the same space, the people there would perceive their world. we would all have a persistence of vision of our world, but would be unable to perceive other worlds, because when those exist we don't, and there's nothing to perceive them, from our world.
but, this multiplexing might have some kind of leak, in between these worlds, which may be limited not infinite.

[Anonymous No.15935674]

Cool pyramid.

[Anonymous No.15936277]

>>15935674
>pyramid

[Anonymous No.15937040]

>>15935674
>pyramid