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How has this observation escaped epidemiologists and medical researchers until now?

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>>15906756
>XKCD
sup reddit

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>>15906885
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>>15907378
>this picture triggers me and makes me cry because it accurately characterizes me
sup reddit

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>>15906747
Imagine how dumb and incompetent scientists must be to have missed this correlation until now.

>> No.15910454

you'd think a correllation like that would've been noticed thousands of years ago

>> No.15910461

isn't the "common cold virus" not a single virus, but a code phrase for a few dozen different types of viruses that all have similar symptoms?

>> No.15910472

>>15906756
i get that this guy is like king of the reddit midwits but wouldn't this exact scenario imply that there's indeed something about the dye in the green jelly beans that should be investigated further with regards to acne?

>> No.15910564

>>15910472
>i get that this guy is like king of the reddit midwits
people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
>wouldn't this exact scenario imply that there's indeed something about the dye in the green jelly beans that should be investigated further with regards to acne?
all else equal outliers will exist simply by random chance. for simplicity sake if it was exactly 5% odds of a significant result being found assuming the null hypothesis (no link) were true by the time you've run 20 trials are around ~64% for "occurring at least once". again just assuming nonconditional randomness for simplicity.
so media ignoring the misses and only focusing on the hits means you've no context of all the negative results and wouldn't know it may just be due to chance in greater context.

it's more complicated than that but that's a start idk how much you care. if all else is not equal and the result is from p-hacking that can be discovered with things like p-curves https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1745691614553988
and other comparisons to test significance in context of broader results

>> No.15910586

>>15910564
>all else equal
that's the part i'm hung up on, green may not in fact be equal to other colors. in this example, just imagine that green dye is the only color out of all of them to be made from some weird brazilian plant that is known to increase sebaceous gland oil production somehow. wouldn't the scientists in the comic, running this same experiment, come to the conclusion that there's a link between green jelly beans and acne? and that dismissing it as "heh, dumb media pundits don't know what a coincidence is" is actually bad science? sounds like the p-curve is the solution to that situation?

>> No.15910605

>>15910586
>that's the part i'm hung up on, green may not in fact be equal to other colors
yeah that's the complicated part but there are ways to deal with it. so like start with normalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(statistics)
and for bias or such you can look at things like p-curves and many more, like z-scores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_score
and funnel plots for bias detection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funnel_plot
and confidence intervals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval

like i said i don't know how much you care but you can definitely learn a lot about it and statistics for free. the basics aren't very hard and could be learned in short order. khan academy also has statistics i think if you want to learn about probability and related to start

amounts to roughly something like you can look at the collection of results in context and standardized odds and effect sizes and if it altogether doesn't follow the distribution it should something's fucky about it.

>> No.15910643

>>15910586
forgot to list here >>15910605 but there's more examples besides with specific tools and methods mentioned on where you'd compare lots of studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-analysis
but you've also got a lot of methods and simulation methods or approaches to test or estimate things like monte carlo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method#Applied_statistics

summary is the list is quite large and there are tons of combined ways to test a collection of results or models and results claimed in models none of them are reflected in media which tends to just go "link found" with no mention of the context or even any prior meta-analysis or anything. ignoring the misses because "hits" however likely wrong get clicks

>> No.15910670

>>15910586
to avoid data mining you just need lower p-value for your cutoff
p=0.05 is social science bullshit tier, 0.01 or 0.001 is ideal for actual science

>> No.15910720

>>15910670
>p=0.05 is social science bullshit tier, 0.01 or 0.001 is ideal for actual science
so are you memeing or are you really this dumb?

>> No.15910785

>>15910461
Yes! This is why you can never "cure the common cold." But believe it not our detection methods are better than ever for finding it and new treatments are being developed all the time. It's pointless though to search for a cure for the common cold because it's so many different diseases.

>> No.15910786

>>15906747
Because nobody bothers testing which version of the cold people have and most people who do get a cold don't see a doctor and even if they do, the doctor usually just goes "yep it's a cold".

>> No.15910793

>>15910670
>0.01 or 0.001 is ideal for actual science
lol
lmao

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>>15906747
Just trust the science you filthy peasant!
You are too stupid to think by yourself.

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>>15910849
>declared neurologically dead
also morally bankrupt

>> No.15912213

>>15910849
LMAO, that stupid piece of shit got what it deserved.

>> No.15912374

>>15906747
FUCKING KEK! I was thinking about this exact thing the moment the pandemic dropped. /pol/fags called me a schizo for believing this years ago.

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>> No.15914775

>>15906747
You'd think that getting a cold followed by dying of a heart attack would've been a pattern that would've been noticed thousands of years ago, pretty amazing nobody noticed it until now, anyone know why that is?

>> No.15914833

>>15906747
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/shock-after-shock-a-visit-to-china-s-secret-biolab-in-california/ar-AA1l9HDw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eb7e8f34961f427387bc9b58b3698365&ei=11

>> No.15914895

Do you guys still believe viruses exist? I thought this was a science board, what are you even doing?

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>>15914895
>oy vey someone on 4chan posted something that contradicts one of the mainstream media's soiyence narratives!!!
>reeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
>you can't just post nonconformist opinions on 4chan!!!!

>> No.15916144

>>15914775
yeah it seems like that sequence of events would have been recognized long before now

>> No.15916171

>>15914775
One of the benefits of the vaccine is heightened cognitive abilities, especially when it comes to noticing patterns. Your brain becomes a literal RegEx co-processor and can see things that the anti-vaxxers can't even imagine.
(Note: this doesn't apply to correlations between racial groups and socially negative activities.)

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>>15916171
>Note: this doesn't apply to correlations between racial groups and socially negative activities.

>> No.15918575

>>15910472
can you imagine people who devote their careers to publishing articles in journals try to cast blame on journalists for all their problems.

>> No.15919391

>>15906756
pure fantasyland, in reality what happens is that pfizer has a new goyslop medicine under patent and they pay some lackwits to publish lies saying that the goyslop cures acne

>> No.15919403

>>15910461
>>15910785
My point is, this raises the question of which version of the common cold virus is causing blood clotting disorders? And I hate to say this but it's the question on the tips of everyone's tongues here, the elephant in the room. Did they recently add covid to the list of viruses that form the diagnosis of "common cold"??

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>>15913165
>for the first time

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>>15918575
If your job is to publish articles in journals that pretty much makes you a journalist

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>>15910670
different fields have different arbitrarily chosen standards.

>> No.15926819

>>15906747
because they're low IQ

>> No.15927609

>>15910564
>it may just be due to chance
That's why p values exist, retard. And of course it shouldn't be reported on before being peer-reviewed, replicated, and possibly experimented.

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>>15927728
What a stupid mistake

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>>15928655
what'd i miss?

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>>15930177
Lol, that gullible retard's reddit user name in on the pic. I'm somewhat tempted to see what other idiocy he has been posting, could be a goldmine

>> No.15931903

>>15930177
Why did jannie delete that?

>> No.15932359

One of the many viruses that cause the “common cold” are Coronavirus(es)

Sars-2, which is a severe Coronavirus (The S in Sars stands for Severe) which is confirmed to fuck up your heart.

So it stands to reason that maybe heart damage is what Coronaviruses do.

Natures balancing mechanic that ensures some groups of people die early and remove themselves from the gene pool.

Brilliant.

>> No.15932370

>>15914946
More like:
>oy vey someone on 4chan posted something that contradicts one of the mainstream media's soiyence narratives!!!
>i must post something even more outlandish so that this belief is attached to pure schizophrenia forever
Same with genuine flatfags.

>> No.15932372

>>15906747
they ignored it

>> No.15933642

>>15932372
why?

>> No.15934295

>>15906747
OY VEY I HOPE THERES A VACCINE FOR THIS DEADLY DISEASE SOON!!!

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>>15934295
Let loose the The Dogje of war.

>> No.15935276

>>15910454
The fact that it wasn't is evidence of how incredibly low IQ soiyentists are

>> No.15935328

>>15906747
i'll post it in every thread; the vaccine AND covid both cause "long covid", which is what's responsible for all of these "random" new deaths.

>> No.15936418

>>15935328
covid doesn't exist, that was just a psyop, covid is a media fabrication, it isnt any more real than the aliens in "war of the worlds"

>> No.15937138

>>15910472
when you run 20 experiments one of them is going to be the most statistically improbable one

>> No.15938059

>How has this observation escaped epidemiologists and medical researchers until now?

Because they're low IQ, just like all the other scientists

>> No.15938129

>>15910785
>cancer logic

>> No.15938848

>>15936418
But the heart disease caused by the vaccines is very real regardless if the disease the vaccines were invented to prevent is entirely fictitious

>> No.15939613

>>15910849
He pushed for internment camps for those who didn't get the clot shot.

>> No.15939687

>>15930177
I see, after all these years there are still retards who don't understand how viruses work and what's the point of getting a shot, when it makes sense, and when it doesn't.

>> No.15940413

>>15939687
yes and today those retards are commonly know as "vaxxes" and "soience fanbois"

>> No.15941497

>>15906747
sus

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>>15906747
this is the only thing that could possibly explain it because I trust the science and so should you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUDZi-qOPU

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>>15942496
your me

>> No.15944493

>>15942492
wow another crazy convenient coincidence

>> No.15944510

>>15922213
Gonna need more proof than that, schizo

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>>15938848
das rite

>> No.15945498

>>15906747
That is just the sorry state of science in academia.

>> No.15945520

>>15945498
No, it's not 'just' something, it's a deliberate attempt at lying on behalf of fascist bio-terrorists. Everyone complicit should be electrocuted.

>> No.15946490

>>15945520
watch it with the antisemitism

>> No.15947135

this video explains it all https://files.catbox.moe/a89wa7.mp4

>> No.15948173

>>15947135
Excellent video

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>>15906756
>kxcd

>> No.15949653

>>15948750
the bill nye of comic strips

>> No.15949665

>>15910461
Yes, but mainly the coronavirus is the problem here.
>>15906747
Because in elder days XY-havers would die in childhood or in battle or from doing something retarded (and not getting saved by doctors), and it is only in modern times most males lived long enough to get into the risk-zone for heart problems

>> No.15950128

>>15949665
completely wrong

>> No.15950580

so we just gonna ignore the potential prion crisis that awaits us???

>> No.15951149

>>15950580
>us
speak for yourself, vaxxxxie

>> No.15951968

>>15949653
good, xkcd should be permabanned from /sci/