/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15906565]

Hot new national IQ scores just dropped.
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[Anonymous No.15906566]

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Source https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/53f23881-en/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/53f23881-en

[Anonymous No.15906579]

Why is the United States so bad at math?

[Anonymous No.15906583]

>>15906579
Niggers

[Anonymous No.15906587]

> Biennial testing through NAEP consistently shows that two thirds of U.S. children are unable to read with proficiency. An astounding 40 percent are essentially non readers.

[Anonymous No.15906594]

>>15906579
I'd say because of the terrible and underfunded public education system.

[Anonymous No.15906619]

>>15906594
> Baltimore City Public Schools is among the highest funded large school districts in the country. On average, it receives nearly $16,000 per student, per year. Yet, it’s also one of the lowest-performing.
> 23 Baltimore schools (40%) have zero students proficient in math, state test results reveal
> According to the 2022 NAEP test, only 10 percent of fourth-graders and 15 percent of eighth-graders in Baltimore's public schools are proficient in reading
It's the niggers libCHUD

[Anonymous No.15906630]

>>15906594
the United States has some of the highest per pupil spending on earth, even accounting for cost of living.

[Anonymous No.15906632]

>>15906579
Lower reliance on rote memorization. In the long run it's superior since students get better at understanding advanced topics and solving problems that they haven't already seen outside of the context of a test, but for standardized tests it's best for most students to just know how to solve every variation of a problem.
(that's not to say it's the only reason)

[Anonymous No.15906638]

>>15906594
>>15906579
split by race america exceeds expectations.

[Anonymous No.15906642]

>>15906638
Greece scoring the same as US blacks is particularly embarrassing. Makes me think some European countries can't get their students to take this test seriously.

[Anonymous No.15906650]

>>15906565
>Hot new national IQ scores just dropped.
countries differ vastly in who they "incentivize" to fuck off before taking any kind of relevant testing.
>>15906579
because we try to keep the most people in school and have among the more honest data without fuckery behind it including the shittiest ones.

probably second reason, why we're worse than other first world nations with similar attendance rates, is unlike those nations we've no good public healthcare. add that to lots of people just don't believe in conditions like adhd and i think most schools don't blanket test children or even train people to know the symptoms. so lots more undiagnosed or unmedicated adhd kids in the usa too than places with sane healthcare programs. ever meet someone with adhd? lots of times they can't do math especially without medication. so there ya go

[Anonymous No.15906655]

>>15906642
> Greece
> European
Greece got mutted out long ago

[Anonymous No.15906659]

>>15906565
Those aren't IQ scores but yes, academic performance of school children is dropping in the US and we should be concerned but we all know the causes and that nothing will be done about it.

[Anonymous No.15906661]

>>15906655
By Turks, not niggers. Turkey scores as well as hispanics.

[Anonymous No.15906690]

>>15906650
>The problem is the US doesn't drug its children enough.
This post brought to you by Pfizer.

[Anonymous No.15906694]

>>15906659
They are though

[Anonymous No.15906700]

>>15906690
speakin of dipshits thinking adhd is fake

[Anonymous No.15906723]

>>15906642
The Greeks have only contempt for people good at STEM.

[Anonymous No.15906739]

What's the PISA-IQ correlation?

[Anonymous No.15906755]

>>15906739
Pretty high, PISA is basically a IQ test without being called IQ test

[Anonymous No.15906792]

>>15906700
Adhd is just the result of childhood neglect, instead of doing normal activities with their kids and excercising them physically and mentally mfs just give them a tablet to watch endless streams of braindead tiktok slop or never push them to try harder, which leads to the child becoming a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.15906797]

>>15906792
>Adhd is just the result of childhood neglect
TIL childhood neglect is as heritable as your height. you're an idiot.
>which leads to the child becoming a fucking retard
ADHD IQ is normal except for executive functioning related tests, and there are geniuses with adhd too and perfectly normal childhoods.

what next it's all fake and the truth came to you in a dream?

[Anonymous No.15906832]

>>15906797
>dood if we widen the criteria enough then everyone has a disease, lets meth up lads!!

[Anonymous No.15906847]

>>15906832
>dood if we widen the criteria enough then everyone has a disease
which among other things would make the heritability lower by adding more randomness into the trait definition
>lets meth up
street meth spikes in your blood in such insanely high quantities it's actually neurotoxic so no not really

[Anonymous No.15906864]

>>15906847
Saying adhd is heritable is like saying bad grades are heritable, shitty attention span is a trait not a disease

[Anonymous No.15906870]

>>15906583

[Anonymous No.15906873]

>>15906579
>Why is the United States so bad at math?
Mandatory watching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsZP9o7SlI

[Anonymous No.15906875]

>>15906864
>Saying adhd is heritable is like saying bad grades are heritable
no since you're tested on lots of stuff like reaction time, eye tracking, other stuff with cognitive testing, it depends. point is if it was just wider criteria not something real you'd get a lot more variation on that simply by chance and so far lower heritability on the diagnosis. you're testing empirically for a diagnosis not somebody's school memorization.
>shitty attention span is a trait not a disease
correct in that it isn't a "disease", incorrect in that it isn't just shitty attention span. executive functioning disorder. "attention span" is one deficit but broadly it's the brain unable to do executive functioning normally.

[Anonymous No.15906881]

>>15906864
The brain of a person with ADHD is structured differently than a normal brain, and it is hereditary. It's not just upbringing, but it sure influences the severity.

[Anonymous No.15906882]

>>15906881
>It's not just upbringing, but it sure influences the severity.
yeah getting your head slapped around a bunch for "not behaving" is one of those cruel ironies of bad parents always managing to choose the worst possible thing to do

[Anonymous No.15906884]

>>15906875
Thanks anon, it's too close to my bedtime to be doing the good work that you are putting in.

[Anonymous No.15906886]

>>15906882
Please go inform yourself about how wrong you are. I'm serious.

[Anonymous No.15906889]

>>15906886
Mis-reply, apologies. Fuck this sleepiness, too late. Goonight

[Anonymous No.15906890]

>>15906884
i just got time to waste sometimes and find the immense stupidity on /sci/ fascinating
is it trolling? are they really this stupid? it's a fun game as i wonder what new diarrhea they'll invent next

[Anonymous No.15906891]

>>15906889
>>15906886
haha no worries have a good one

[Anonymous No.15906893]

>>15906619
>Baltimore City Public Schools is among the highest funded large school districts in the country
>large school districts

[Anonymous No.15906915]

>>15906797
>childhood neglect
Do you realise you are being baited by a generic troll who has been at it for years?

[Anonymous No.15906922]

>>15906870
Nah, between group heritability is high and therefore the lower mean IQ of blacks is mostly genetic. Sorry big guy

[Anonymous No.15906944]

>>15906915
yeah? >>15906890 i just don't care. sometimes i poke the trolls too just because
>>15906922
>Nah, between group heritability is high
heritability just tells you proportion of a phenotypic trait attributed to genetic variation. common example to help confused students is variation of height. if height in a population was 70% it's telling you in that particular population 70% of the variation is associated with genetic variation in it. Only in that population. not some magic 8-ball that tells you "genetic potential" or something stupid like that.
if you still don't get it you really shouldn't be throwing terms like "heritability" around.

[Anonymous No.15906959]

>>15906579
Dysgenics is of course the overarching them, but I think in this case the countless millions of illegal migrants from populations with very low intelligence rushing through while biden is in power might be more impactful than this.

[Anonymous No.15906981]

>>15906875
Define "normally", you're throwing a very wide net here, most people are right handed so is left handedness the inability to do executive function normally? It's the same shit as autism, it had very well defined borders until retards started peddling the "um ackshully its a spectrum and were all le autistic XD" meme, by your criteria literally everyone has adhd

[Anonymous No.15906994]

>>15906565
>Belgium, The Netherlands: -20 to 25
Grim. All those migrants really have an effec.t

[Anonymous No.15906995]

>>15906981
>Define "normally"
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html
diagnostic criteria are provided in brief. unless you wanted psychometric average difference from cog testing but you can google it
>It's the same shit as autism
wow so we understand the boundaries of things better and improve their definitions? science is not a religion? never coulda guessed
>by your criteria literally everyone has adhd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox#Continuum_fallacy
biology making it hard to have clear definite boundaries does not make the condition not real.
doesn't make their suffering any less real either but you care more about being a contrarian than anyone else's life i bet

[Anonymous No.15906999]

>>15906995
I care enough to not give meth to little kids so that already puts me above 95% of medical workers

[Anonymous No.15907026]

>>15906999
>I care enough to not give meth to little kids
care so much you lie about it yeah.
care so much you don't care that children diagnosed and medicated properly early tend to have much reduced symptoms as adults or be able to get off it.
care so dang much you don't give enough of a shit to have the first clue what you're talking about.
with "care" like yours who needs hatred?

and since you'll cry "nuh uh" about reduced problems later,
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-10-99
but now you'll just "nuh-uh" and probably go "muh conspiracy" because your narcissism matters more to you than other people's suffering.

[Anonymous No.15907045]

>>15907026
If they're able to just get off of it why is over 50% of the US population permanently on meds? Almost like it's a forced addiction instead of rehabilitation.

[Anonymous No.15907062]

>>15907045
>If they're able to just get off of it
try reading the post again ya fuckin spastic
>why is over 50% of the US population permanently on meds?
why the fuck are you talking about medications in general now? throw out your back moving that goalpost?
>Almost like it's a forced addiction instead of rehabilitation.
excepting all those adults voluntarily diagnosed as adults and voluntarily medicated as adults who not surprisingly report life is far better for them. yeah i guess if you twist reality like a contortionist "feeling normal" can be called "addicting" ya twat

[Anonymous No.15907071]

>>15906579
Class sizes and teacher salaries

[Anonymous No.15907078]

>>15907062
Yes anon I'm sure life is great when you're permanently addicted to meth and become psychotic when you try to stop

[Anonymous No.15907091]

>>15907078
>Yes anon I'm sure life is great when you're permanently addicted to meth
cope and seethe next time bring an argument not your tears and bullshit abuse of words

[Anonymous No.15907118]

>>15907091
Ok medication side effects

What do you think of that?

[Anonymous No.15907136]

>>15907118
>What do you think of that?
why would i? what about it? talk to your doc. the fuck are you even asking

[Anonymous No.15907367]

>>15906594
>underfunded public education system.

[Anonymous No.15907372]

>>15906792
ADHD gets you laid!

[Anonymous No.15907376]

>>15907367
how is "cost per student" defined? Does it include the gargantuan price of having a bunch of worthless "administrators" contributing nothing of value to society? If so it's a pretty worthless figure for the point you're wanting to make. Either way unless and until its constituent parts are defined it's a worthless figure by ambiguity.

[Anonymous No.15907379]

>>15907372
>effect size +/- 0.04
bruh

[Anonymous No.15907467]

Since these results are almost equivalent to IQ scores, why two old world neigboring countries like Cambodia and Vietnam have such high disparities? I ask this in a racial sense. I know the vietnamese have Han chinese admixture but they are still the SEA kind of brown asian like Cambodians and Thais. How can admixture boost IQ levels so much? If that's the case why American Blacks don't average in the same range as Whites like Viets? Or maybe Vietnamese government just gamed their results

[Anonymous No.15907470]

>>15906893
> an area that contains several schools that are governed together
It basically means cities, Chuddy
>>15907376
Schools will the most funding in US have some of the worst student proficiency (reading and math) numbers.
Most of these schools are in urban niggerhoods in places like Chicago, Baltimore etc.
No matter how much you libCHUDS cope, it's simply the low IQ niggers, nothing else.

[Anonymous No.15907473]

>>15907071
Nothing to do with this

[Anonymous No.15907475]

>>15907467
It's simply High IQ
Vietnam has a competitive culture similar to china, math education similar to Soviet union, they rank 8 on the list of countries with most IMO golds.
Cambodia is poor + still recovering from communist mass murder.

[Anonymous No.15907478]

national averages without first and second generation immigrants

[Anonymous No.15907480]

>>15907470
>No matter how much you libCHUDS cope
weird how "libchuds" are coping but you reply with seething like this from a simple question about a definition.
you sure "libchuds" are the ones needing to cope? If they were you'd quite happily be answering the question

[Anonymous No.15907494]

>>15906583
>be white
>play victim

[Anonymous No.15907496]

>>15906579
It's not just math. If you talk to young people now, they know literally nothing. Literally nothing. I couldn't tell you why however.

[Anonymous No.15907498]

>>15907494
> be 70IQ nigger
> Can't read or do math
> COPE by blaming whites
>>15907496
social media has melted their brains

[Anonymous No.15907501]

>>15907498
Keep coping, hillbilly.

[Anonymous No.15907502]

>>15907501
Keep seething 70IQ nigger
you literally can't read

[Anonymous No.15907504]

>>15906638
So are we still going with the Narrative that US Blacks are 85 IQ? Because if they're beating Greece, Romania, Chile, Moldova and Mongolia that means they at least have to be 88-90 IQ at this point.

There's no way they're still just "85 IQ".

[Anonymous No.15907518]

>>15907376
>Does it include the gargantuan price of having a bunch of worthless "administrators" contributing nothing of value to society?
Yes. Try talking to a school teacher sometime, these useless leeches are pulling double what teachers make by doing absolutely nothing

[Anonymous No.15907530]

>>15907467
>I know the vietnamese have Han chinese admixture but they are still the SEA kind of brown asian like Cambodians and Thais
stupid nigger, we don't have Chinese genes and we are paler than east asians.

[Anonymous No.15907532]

>>15906870
Hes not wrong and you know it.

[Anonymous No.15907585]

>>15907532
cope

[Anonymous No.15907633]

>>15906792
>Adhd is just the result of childhood neglect
It's not.

[Anonymous No.15907635]

>>15907502
But rates for all American races aren't even that good.

[Anonymous No.15907642]

>>15907470
>Schools will the most funding in US
Because yanks have way way more money than the rest of us.

>No matter how much you libCHUDS cope, it's simply the low IQ niggers, nothing else.
Nah even the schools with no blacks are failing, forcing teachers to operate in shitty conditions/salaries or parents try to bring politics into it and waste precious hours and money dealing with their bitchy complaints and political nonsense.

Ever seen schools where a ton of the PSA rascals are people who either had no kids that attended, their kid left it or use it as poor substitute for feeling important? You see that shit everywhere

[Anonymous No.15907643]

>>15906994
Those two places handpick the better schools.

[Anonymous No.15908086]

>>15907642
Parents protecting their children from you molesting them isn't politics no matter how much you try to convince everyone that your degeneracy towards children is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.15908093]

>>15908086
She said it was just a joke. There's nothing to be upset about. No teacher is going to actually force their students to be gay. That's not even possible.

[Anonymous No.15908116]

>>15906873
wake up, babe, new current thing derangement syndrome just dropped

[Anonymous No.15908135]

>>15908093
Every day is another opportunity to kill all jewish kids in public school.

[Anonymous No.15908206]

>>15906642
It's weird that the birthplace of modern thought is retarded.

[Anonymous No.15908208]

>>15906650
Turbo American “our borderline retarded scores are proof of our honesty” cope

[Anonymous No.15908341]

>>15906873

[Anonymous No.15908346]

>>15906566
>kosovo
>>15906638
>Cambodia
How can we help them out /sci/? Even joggers in America are smarter. Should we take thier immigrants in instead to uplift them or send blacks into their schools?

[Anonymous No.15908356]

>>15907642
The "US white" PISA statistic is pretty consistent >>15906638
It's just the niggers
>>15907480
All I said was that large school districts mean cities.
Why are you having a meltdown?

[Anonymous No.15908359]

>>15908346
Cambodia got raped hard by communism, they are too poor, we can actually help them unlike niggers though.

[Anonymous No.15908360]

>>15908359
Alright then. Pull the money we're giving Israel and Ukraine, instead give it to Cambodia.

[Anonymous No.15908415]

>>15908359
>Cambodia got raped hard by communism
Wasn't it Pol Pot that killed off everyone with as much as a smidgeon of education? That suggests negative eugenics works, not that it is desirable.

[Anonymous No.15908968]

>>15907530
>stupid nigger, we don't have Chinese genes and we are paler than east asians.
Now this is cope.

[Anonymous No.15909023]

>>15906594
Nonsense. US spends the most amount of money out of any country for both public education and health care.

[Anonymous No.15909025]

>>15908346
>Cambodia
Only China can do it. They'll put in more factories/companies there and local economy/education/standards of living will rise as a result.

[Anonymous No.15909047]

>>15908359
>be $35 Trillion in debt
>instead of paying off that debt let's just put ourselves more in debt by helping yet another foreign population

No wonder America sucks at math, you can't even balance a checkbook. And you can't blame the blacks for that shit either.

Pay off your God damn obligations.

[Anonymous No.15909055]

>>15909047
>thinks national debt is like personal debt
how did you get your handlers to let you on the internet?

[Anonymous No.15909070]

>>15909055
>guys it's okay to be in perpetual debt forever, it's totally not going to fuck up your innate currency value against inflation, international faith as a reserve currency or your ability to properly payout social security to your citizens.

Pay off your GOD DAMN obligations!

[Anonymous No.15909123]

>>15909070
>doesn't know what the debt is
lmao
>Pay off your GOD DAMN obligations!
we do that's why everybody internationally buys our bonds dipshit

[Anonymous No.15909286]

>>15907496
Slop diets. Toxic shit like microplastics everywhere. Social media fucking attention spans. Elders not educating their young properly.

Need I say more?

[Anonymous No.15909293]

>>15909286
>Need I say more?
given none of that makes any sense yeah you do and with sources
>inb4 correlation = causation
also wide scale lead contamination was way worse

[Anonymous No.15909576]

>>15909055
>if i keep saying it the government will get to spend infinite free money, forever

[Anonymous No.15909596]

>>15906565
>Australia getting stupider
I have noticed this.

[Anonymous No.15909602]

>>15906566
>Chinese Taipei
Imagine posting CCP propaganda on 4chan