/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15860913]

The next ice age has started
Overall snowfall has been above the long term average for the past 12 years in a row as as having been above the long term average for 19 of the past 25 years. Once you start to get statistics like that, its impossible to dismiss it as anomalous or random, it is clearly an established patten.

[Anonymous No.15860921]

Northern Hemisphere snow cover has been increasing for the past 60 years, we are clearly at the beginning of the next ice age.

[Anonymous No.15860926]

>>15860913
>>15860921
Sounds cool as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15860988]

>>15860926
I see what ya did there

[Anonymous No.15861066]

>>15860921
I live in Iowa and we've had record-low snowfall for at least 5 years now, so what gives?

[Anonymous No.15861080]

>>15861066
Weather != climate.

[Anonymous No.15861091]

That would be based as fuck if we triggered an ice age and could cancel it out with fossil fuels. Epic sauce!

[Anonymous No.15861098]

If by ice age you mean the normal cycle that happens every few decades then yes. If by ice age you mean the normal cycle that happen every 100,000 years, then no. Not based on this evidence at least.

[Anonymous No.15861175]

>>15861098
interglacial periods only last for 10000 years or so, the one we're living in is rapidly coming to a close

[Anonymous No.15861279]

>>15861175
Temperatures are already on the decline from the peak of the interglacial period thousands of years ago

[Anonymous No.15861424]

>>15861279
Hey look at that, CO2 levels have been rising for the past 7000 years without causing le runaway global warming death catastrophe meme

[Anonymous No.15861430]

>>15861279
>at the summit of the Greenland ice sheet
The "global" in global warming didn't stand for "summit of the Greenland ice sheet"

[Anonymous No.15861431]

>>15861424
Yeah, from 260 to 280ppm in 7000 years. We're now at 419ppm just 200 years later.

[Anonymous No.15861432]

>>15861430
It's a convenient place to measure things in the northern hemisphere, which is why we use it.

[Anonymous No.15861441]

>>15861431
so how come its still cooler now that it was when we were at 260ppm? How did the temperature rise so dramatically between 11,000 and 10,000 years ago with no change in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Its almost as if temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration are independent of each other.

[Anonymous No.15861446]

>>15861441
>Its almost as if temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration are independent of each other.
No almost about it. Where a correlation exists, CO2 is only a lagging variable.

[Anonymous No.15861485]

>>15861446
>only a lagging
nah
https://youtu.be/WLjkLPnIPPw?t=4m44s

[Anonymous No.15861494]

>>15861485
I don't watch youtube schizos sorry.

[Anonymous No.15861497]

>>15860913
I think it's safe to say the next ice age has been postpone for at least the next 100,000 years, possibly millions.

Who knows really.. how the carbon cycle will be affected. the nitrogen cycle. Humanity has flushed vast quantities of nutrients into the oceans at the same time as it is going to double or triple the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.. more than there has been for 10s of millions of years. This is going to affect the geologic outcome of earth in ways that are way beyond the current state of science to predict.

[Anonymous No.15861501]

>>15861497
>I think it's safe to say the next ice age has been postpone for at least the next 100,000 years, possibly millions.
Based. More time for human flourishing before the next mass extinction.

[Anonymous No.15861507]

>>15861501
>before the next mass extinction.
Ice ages don't cause mass extinction. They are show enough to allow for evolution to adapt. Mass extinction occurs during rapid changes, like meteor strikes, giant volcanic eruptions or currently anthropogenic global warming. Yes, the sixth mass extinction event is underway.

[Anonymous No.15861517]

>>15861501
You should familiarize yourself with how the exponential function works, and apply some numbers of known reserves and consumption rate of whichever resource you choose (copper, iron ore.. whatever) and see if it work out for yourself if humanity has 100,000 years.

I don't think you will though. I think you'll convince yourself of whatever bullshit you need to in order to remain competitive, and spout that drivel online like the retard that you are.

[Anonymous No.15861522]

>>15861507
>>15861517
Why do deranged posters always come out of the woodwork whenever something great happens for the environment?

[Anonymous No.15861526]

>>15861522
Deranged?
That's a funny way of saying that simple math is beyond your capabilities.

Is anyone surprised that someone who is incapable of applying the exponential function to simple real world problems is also climate denying psychopath that just blunders from one self-serving line of drivel to the next and calls it "debate"? Probably not in the slightest..

[Anonymous No.15861533]

>>15861066
Yeah I live in fuckville USA and when I was a kid it used to be -7000 every day and rain glaciers from the sky and now its 10000f in january what gives?

[Anonymous No.15861670]

Seems pretty unlikely that we are headed towards the glacial period with the state of Arctic ice pack.
From what we understand the glacial inter-glacial cycle is caused by regular variations in solar forcing, but currently solar forcing is considerably drowned out by other forcings.

>>15861279

The Ice core data you posted starts 170 years ago in 1855, the temperature today in Greenland is almost as high as the highest times during the past Interglacial, at least as accurately as we can measure through ice cores.

It's important to note as well that the temperature delta in Greenland and the arctic is higher in general, when the earth does warm, the arctic warms about twice as fast as the average.
That's why the range here is much higher than average historical Interglacial temperatures.

[Anonymous No.15861826]

>>15861432
>a convenient place
Is this how science is done now? A measurement's value as a representative sample of a larger area is determined by convenience?

[Anonymous No.15862264]

>>15861526
Malthus malding

[Anonymous No.15862267]

>The next ice age has started
We've been in an ice age for the entirety of human existence. The actual fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.15862455]

>>15861670
>the glacial inter-glacial cycle is caused by
Milankovitch cycles

[Anonymous No.15862844]

>>15862267
There have been iceages about every 100k thousands years

[Anonymous No.15862847]

>>15861441
CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. Water vapor is the only significant greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.15863053]

>>15862844
>There have been iceages about every 100k thousands years
We've been in an ice age for 2.5 million years.

[Anonymous No.15863062]

>>15861279
>>15861432
Why are you posting a mislabeled graph? That Greenland icecore dataset ends at 1850, not at the present.
Climate deniers are always lying because basic evidence disproves them.

[Anonymous No.15863069]

>>15863062
Ad hominem.

[Anonymous No.15863072]

>>15863069
Answer the question. Why are you posting maliciously mislabeled graphs?

[Anonymous No.15863075]

>>15863072
Are the mislabeled graphs in the room with us right now, anon?

[Anonymous No.15863078]

>>15861441
>so how come its still cooler now that it was when we were at 260ppm
Because that graph has no modern data and the world is indeed warmer

[Anonymous No.15863082]

>>15863078
If you're so confident, show us the modern Greenland ice core data that the graph excluded.

[Anonymous No.15863104]

>>15863082
Modern temperatures in Greenland for the past 10 years or so are about -26.5 C, so they'd be off the chart warm if you were to plot them in that graph (>>15861279)

[Anonymous No.15863107]

>>15863104
Bzzzt! Incompatible measurement methodologies. Strike one.

[Anonymous No.15863109]

>>15863104
>www.BerkeleyEarth.org
far left political shill organization, not science

[Anonymous No.15863125]

>>15861441
CO2 actually rose from 180ppm to 260ppm at the end of the last ice age; It's generally understood that orbital changes and Inclination changes are largely responsible for the initial push start of the de-glaciation process, however declining albedo from retreating ice sheets and released CO2 from warming oceans actually do the bulk of the change in the earth's energy budget as part of a positive feedback effect.

There is actually some debate regarding the end of the last ice age specifically, some hypothesise that the solar forcing cycles were not strong enough in that instance and changes in atmospheric did play a role in that de-glaciation event.


there is considerable debate as to whether rising CO2 was part of the initial cause of de-glaciation,

[Anonymous No.15863138]

>>15863107
I love how shill deniers like you keep dodging basic questions. Why post graphs with mislabeled axes?
If you'd knew anything about the methodologies used, then you would have known that ice core temperature estimates are only possible on ice that's fully compressed. Regardless, on firn core estimates that overlap with instrumental record show the same temperature variability and show good agreement.
>>15863109
Dude a website that plots temperature data is fake because I say so

[Anonymous No.15863149]

>>15863107
Please provide an argument on why those temperatures are not compatible with in situ measurements. If that were the case, the authors would have labeled the graph based on whichever isotopic measurement was taken from the gas bubbles in the core instead of an absolute temperature.

[Anonymous No.15863156]

>>15863104
>plot starts at the end of the little ice age
fake and gay

[Anonymous No.15863165]

>>15863138
>If you'd knew anything about the methodologies used, then you would have known that ice core temperature estimates are only possible on ice that's fully compressed.
What a happy coincidence, then, that the entirety of what global boilers claim to happen is in this lovely band where the preferred proxy data doesn't provide any meaningful insight! It's almost like I knew that to begin with and was hoping to catch you in one of your usual lies by omission. And what do you know that's exactly what happened! Must be a coincidence though.

[Anonymous No.15863171]

>>15863149
>If that were the case, the authors would have labeled the graph based on whichever isotopic measurement was taken from the gas bubbles in the core instead of an absolute temperature.
Now THAT is what I call pilpul.

[Anonymous No.15863183]

>>15863165
Where's the lie? You're the one that's posting intentionally mislabeled graphs as if no one will catch you.
>claim to happen is in this lovely band where the preferred proxy data doesn't provide any meaningful insight
The Greenland ice core provides very valuable insight into climate. Your malicious lies by misrepresenting that data don't, though.
>>15863171
Answer the question. Provide an argument why the temperature from the ice core would be incompatible with modern temperatures

[Anonymous No.15863200]

I know he's not here for a good-faith argument, but I'll indulge the anons who will actually read this. >>15863149 is trying to use a pilpul argument to distract from the fact that merging unlike datasets produces results that don't necessarily have the claimed relationship. Without a control dataset that compares the two in a contemporaneous manner (for example, ice cores for years which we have measured temperatures for, or tree ring data of the same) we can't trust those estimates to provide an accurate representation of the time that they claim to represent.

The most common type of data fraud used to perpetrate the global warming hoax is one in which proxy data for the modern thermometer era is excluded. In an honest sequence, the graph would include proxy data with error bars alongside measured temperatures in order to show the reader how much that particular proxy comports with actual measurements. Without that, it implies an untrue level of accuracy for past measurements which are in reality estimates based on particular isotopic concentrations and growth ring sizes.

[Anonymous No.15863230]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mann
>Early life and education
>Mann was born February 5, 1943, in Chicago, Illinois.[2] He is Jewish and the son of Esther and Jack Mann.[3][4]

[Anonymous No.15863233]

>>15863200
>proxy data for the modern thermometer era is excluded
Blatantly false statement. Paleoclimate studies on fast accumulation proxies always show overlap with available instrumental temperaturer. You just chose to ignore the data I posted. Firn cores that overlap with in situ measurements show good agreement between the two. Same goes for global reconstructions that overlap with modern temperatures.

[Anonymous No.15863237]

>>15863230
>comparing regional and global temperatures again
>muh joos
Why are denier shills always the same?

[Anonymous No.15863644]

>>15863233
>the hockey stick meme
just another jewish lie

[Anonymous No.15863754]

>>15863075
Is this thread "the room"? Both questions have the same answer.

[Anonymous No.15864936]

>>15861670
>Seems pretty unlikely that we are headed towards the glacial period with the state of Arctic ice pack.

they said the same thing in the years before the little ice age, they were wrong

[Anonymous No.15865249]

>>15861175
>interglacial periods only last for 10000 years or so, the one we're living in is rapidly coming to a close

[Anonymous No.15865716]

>>15865249
>rapidly
the time it take to transition from interglacial to ice age temperatures is as long as the interglacial period itself

[Anonymous No.15865996]

>>15863230
>Mann was born February 5, 1943, in Chicago, Illinois.[2] He is Jewish and the son of Esther and Jack Mann.[3][4]

[Anonymous No.15866019]

>>15863230
Did you actually have to look? You lost the game. Your offspring have no chance of surviving in this world.

[Anonymous No.15866118]

>>15863125
>i'll just randomly change the numbers to fit my narrative

[Anonymous No.15866457]

>>15866118
Thats what NASA does, don't see why the rest of us shouldn't engage in the same scientific practices NASA does since they're supposedly such a wonderful and important science organization

[Anonymous No.15866658]

>>15866457
NASA changes the numbers in their bank accounts around to create false narratives too. They never wanted to admit how much they were spending on the sausage telescope so they stopped counting the money they were spending on JWST at just less than $10 billion and started crediting all further expenses against other accounts. They spent billions more after they stopped counting. How can you expect an organization that is incapable of being honest about where it spends its money to be honest about any other numbers or facts?

[Anonymous No.15869526]

>>15865996
wow is he really that old?
all the clueless zoomers lover their boomer global warming soiyence hero, lol

[Anonymous No.15871081]

>>15869526
It's more surprising that they conned a lot of zoomers to believe in it.

[Anonymous No.15871407]

>>15865716
in 10000 years they're gonna be loling their lmaos off at the global warming cultists

[Anonymous No.15871546]

>>15871407
In 10,000 years the scattered remnants of humanity will be mining the landfills for bits of metal to hunt and trap rats when they're not sacrificing virgins to the rain gods and burning witches, because fucktard clown infinite growth cultists like you are incapable of understanding how the exponential function works.

[Anonymous No.15871565]

>>15871546
Psychological studies have shown that individuals with an IQ of 85 or below have difficulty discerning reality from fictional plots such as disaster and apocalypse movies.

[Anonymous No.15871587]

>>15862844
>>100k thousands
-100k years
-100 thousand years
choose

[Anonymous No.15871590]

>>15861080
Fuck off you ignorant piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.15871596]

>>15863138
You have no credibility you stupid moron. All this problem will go away just by boiling all you parasites.

[Anonymous No.15871607]

>>15863237

[Anonymous No.15871611]

>>15871546
>In 10,000 years the scattered remnants of humanity will be mining the landfills for bits of metal to hunt and trap rats when they're not sacrificing virgins to the rain gods and burning witches, because fucktard clown infinite growth cultists like you are incapable of understanding how the exponential function works.
I am a young politician.
Please explain me

[Anonymous No.15871619]

>>15871546

[Anonymous No.15871642]

>>15871611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function
If you plug the logistics equation into excel and model carrying capacity based on the extraction rate of some non-renewable resource you get something like this. Feel free to play around with your own numbers or add as much complexity as you want.

Good luck getting the lemmings to vote for someone who will tell them the truth that they can't just go forth and multiply like rats and consume everything and anything to their little heart's content.

[Anonymous No.15871662]

>>15871590
>i have no argument
lol

[Anonymous No.15871673]

>>15871642
>Good luck getting the lemmings to vote for someone who will tell them the truth that they can't just go forth and multiply like rats and consume everything and anything to their little heart's content. ... ( and the society survive)...

In a book I wrote, I dealt with this issue. Read that about 1.5 to 2 billion people would be sustainable with renewables, according to U.S. energy department.

¿ Is this correct? which data do you have to support any afirmation.

I am more an empiricism. Playing with unfounded numbers isnt my thing with this subject, I want cold, harsh data, to be able to have a notion of the future, so if you have more, please share it.

[Anonymous No.15871698]

>>15871673
"Renewables" are a misnomer because in building and maintaining the infrastructure they irreversibly consume non-renewable resources.

The only thing that matters is the shape of the carrying capacity curve, which is a function of the extraction rate of resources, which is a function of population and EROEI. That said, you could probably take something like copper, known reserves, extraction rates combined with real world population data and get something very empirical.

Obviously it gets quite complicated, which is all the reason clowntards like
>>15871619>>15871607>>15871587>>15871407 need to continue pigging out.

I mean, half of these idiots have convinced themselves that oil is "abiotic and infinite" - just that "there will never be shortages . PERIOD . END OF STORY."

[Anonymous No.15871713]

>>15871673
Humanity isn't going to last forever. Nothing lasts forever.
DESU, I see these CONSUUUUUUUMERS infesting /sci/ with their self serving drivel as a kind of natural entropic process, like flesh eating bacteria.
It's just a shame that we won't have as much time as we could have...

[Anonymous No.15872412]

>>15871713
>listen here buddy, the world is coming to an end
>thats why you have to give me all your money and do every i say
>everyone except me is greedy
>i'm perfect like a god
>thats why you have to give me all your money

[Anonymous No.15872468]

>>15871698
>I mean, half of these idiots have convinced themselves that oil is "abiotic and infinite" - just that "there will never be shortages . PERIOD . END OF STORY."
Concur, they are retarded imbeciles who lack the courage to deal with scarcity and a reality where most will go extinct.

>>15871698
>The only thing that matters is the shape of the carrying capacity curve, which is a function of the extraction rate of resources, which is a function of population and EROEI.

May you tell me more on this subjects ?

>That said, you could probably take something like copper, known reserves, extraction rates combined with real world population data and get something very empirical.
>>15871698
>"Renewables" are a misnomer because in building and maintaining the infrastructure they irreversibly consume non-renewable resources.
so its worst than thought.

[Anonymous No.15873247]

>>15872468
>May you tell me more on this subjects ?
It's a function of technological efficiency too, in addition to those other things i mentioned
>so its worse than thought.
renewables can be thought of more like an improvement in efficiency. They could help, but they don't deal with the fundamental nature of the problem
Read about this guy and his work to get a sense of how thoroughly dishonest and corrupt "the powers that be" truly are. He should have been given the nobel prize.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Georgescu-Roegen
Instead they've been ignoring or actively suppressing any science or information that points at fundamental inconsistencies in the official narrative.

[Anonymous No.15873478]

[Anonymous No.15874503]

>>15871713
your anti-consumerist image is cringe,
theres nothing noble about your poverty. you're poor because you're too lazy to work and you're jealous of people who are better than you because they're earning what you wish you could have, but are too sedentary to get.

[Anonymous No.15874531]

>>15874503
You have the same world view as every semi-sentient peanut brained creature on earth, all the way down to the amoeba. Live and multiply like a amoeba, drown in your own waste like an amoeba.

[Anonymous No.15874544]

>>15874503
Also, I'm about as jealous of you as I am of pic. rel.'s mastery of the art of converting $100 worth of greasy factory farmed meat into a massive pile of stinking brown shit for dinner.

Go fuck yourself, moron.

[Anonymous No.15874886]

>>15874544
you got banned for spamming and you're so emotionally distressed over the situation that you bought vpn service in order to ban evade like a good little consumer

[Anonymous No.15875220]

>>15873247
>Instead they've been ignoring or actively suppressing any science or information that points at fundamental inconsistencies in the official narrative.

Anon any case of study you could point me to?

[Anonymous No.15875334]

>>15874503
>you're poor because you're too lazy to work
NTA, but that's not true. People can still work a good paying jobs and yet be hesitant to buy shit they don't need. It's a completely rational behavior.

[Anonymous No.15875587]

>>15874503
And you think your gluttony is noble?

[Anonymous No.15876064]

>>15860913
Hope weather patterns return to normality where I live then, faggot glowie shill, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.15876089]

>>15876064
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15876237]

>>15860913
it's just El Niño, retard

[Anonymous No.15876504]

>>15876237
>el nino has been causing increasing snow in the northern hemisphere since 1967
interesting theory, source?

[Anonymous No.15876924]

>>15875587
And you think your narcissistic savior complex is noble?

[Anonymous No.15876930]

>>15876924
There is no saving people like you (the vast majority).
Basic math/science is simply irrelevant to you.
Your entire world view is no more than a self-serving fairy tale.

[Anonymous No.15878028]

>>15876930
>projection
interglacials are brief and this one is over, don't know why that triggers you, but the facts about interglacials won't change no matter how upset you get over them

[Anonymous No.15878417]

[Anonymous No.15878432]

>>15878028
>Math is marxist drivel

ok

[Anonymous No.15878510]

>>15860913
Where are you getting this bogus information?
https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/11/8/162

>Globally, snow cover declined two to ten times as much as it increased, depending on the season of analysis, and annually, global snow cover decreased 5.12% (not including Antarctica or Greenland) based on the Mann—Kendall test at the 95th percentile (p < 0.05). Regionally, Asia had the greatest net area decline in snow cover, followed by Europe. Although North America has the second-largest extent of snow cover, it had the least amount of net decreasing snow cover relative to its size

[Anonymous No.15878885]

>>15878510
>globally
yeah, they totally have monitoring stations for snow floating out in the middle of the southern ocean.
>Salem State University
not a real university, thats just a community college. OP's data is watermarked, it says Rutgers right on it, you're too low IQ and irrationally emotional over the topic to have noticed. Rutgers has just about the most recognized and respected climate science program of any university on the planet.

[Anonymous No.15879949]

>Salem State University

[Anonymous No.15880001]

>>15871642
Amazing how quickly glowie shills and other kinds of assorted fanatical corporate trash crawls back into the woodwork when some simple math shows how utterly dishonest they are....

[Anonymous No.15880007]

>>15878885
You're not going to win this argument.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16743-w

[Anonymous No.15880769]

>>15878028
the political activists pick and choose which aspects of science they believe in because their beliefs are contrived on the basis of supporting their political desires, the cyclical nature of interglacials is one they choose to ignore

[Anonymous No.15880882]

>>15880769
ya political activists are fucked
but not nearly as fucked as people who are literally too stupid understand the exponential function and make an aversion to literally anything science related a part of their identity.

[Anonymous No.15880894]

>>15880882
>muh function
Worshipping fake gods goes on /x/

[Anonymous No.15880943]

>>15880894
you know the exponential function is pretty much the basis for virtually every technology since the 17th century, right?

maybe you ought to understand it before spewing your drivel online thinking your opinion matters, especially on a MATH AND SCIENCE FORUM.

[Anonymous No.15882426]

>>15880007
nature is a political propaganda outlet, not a legitimate scientific journal. everything published in nature is a lie intended for the purpose a mass manipulation, there is no worthwhile information in that publication, only lies

[Anonymous No.15882431]

>>15882426
>math is a lie
>your own eyes are a lie

ok

[Anonymous No.15882432]

>>15882431
>>your own eyes are a lie
My own eyes show me that the average temperature is colder now than when I was a child.

[Anonymous No.15882436]

>>15882432
k liar
https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/todays-weather/?var_id=t2anom&ortho=1&wt=1

[Anonymous No.15882438]

>>15882436
>tells anon to use his eyes
>posts lying computer model
uh ok

[Anonymous No.15882447]

>>15882438
that's not a computer model. its a temperature map.
do you know how to read a map?

[Anonymous No.15882474]

>>15882447
Why should I listen to some random blog instead of the observable scientific evidence of cooling?

[Anonymous No.15882490]

>>15882474

[Anonymous No.15882563]

>>15882436
>the global warming institute
those people would all be out of a job if they didn't have the global warming lie to shill, they're financially incentivized to lie.

[Anonymous No.15882621]

>>15882563
>math and science is communism

ok, consuuuuuuumer
go shill for some psychotic mega corporation to trickle down all over your face on /pol/

[Anonymous No.15882866]

>>15865716
its odd how the interglacials start abruptly, but taper off moire gradually

[Anonymous No.15882980]

>>15882621

[Anonymous No.15882988]

>>15865249
How the fuck can we record temperatures from hundreds of thousands of years ago?

[Anonymous No.15883073]

>>15882980
this type of reasoning is so retarded, it's the same as "omg let's just divide all the wealth of the richest people among everyone else!"
fact is, people like Bezos are outnumbered far more than 3 orders of magnitude by regular people, so even if he is responsible for 1500 times the emissions as regular people, it's still regular people who contribute by far the most in total
not very hard to understand
>>15882988
ice core data

[Anonymous No.15883712]

>>15883073
yes but it's the people like bezos setting the tone of society; an example all those regular people are striving for. When people see people like bezos ignoring the problem as he does, why would they even want to bother?

[Anonymous No.15883722]

>>15883073
also billionaires have control. they control politicians. amazon's "growth" and the consumerism it encourages in all those regular people. the logic is not retarded.

carbon taxes are a vindictive non-solution being foisted on regular people in effect so that sick cunts like bezos can keep doing their thing

society is a rotten unsustainable ponzi and people like bezos are the ringleaders of it.

[Anonymous No.15883766]

>>15883712
>>15883722
this line of reasoning is still completely flawed
yes, I agree 100% that it's extremely hypocritical of Bezos (at least if he expresses concern for the environment), or poor behavior in any case, but you can't use someone else's poor behavior to excuse your own, you should still aim to personally reduce your environmental impact even if there exists assholes like Bezos who don't
otherwise you just end up with a tragedy of the commons situation where everyone acts more and more like him because everyone else is doing it, and at some point the environment will end up being totally unlivable for humans, a barren waste that will take thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, years to recover naturally

[Anonymous No.15883872]

>>15883766
government dumbasses be like

[Anonymous No.15883921]

>>15883872
I'm literally an anarchist, retard
I'm advocating for people to act rationally and stop destroying the environment, not for government to force that to happen
and I'm not telling you to leave Bezos or large companies alone at all, I would strongly encourage boycotting them and all those systems

[Anonymous No.15883931]

>>15883921
>stop using MY planet!!!
>you're breathing MY air!!!!
why is the narcissistic savior complex crowd like this?

[Anonymous No.15883936]

>>15883931
Oh so it's YOUR planet to use however YOU want then? Is that right? No one has the right to tell YOU YOU can't do whatever YOU want with YOUR planet?

[Anonymous No.15883938]

>>15883931
>>stop using MY planet!!!
>>you're breathing MY air!!!!
see how all you keep doing is making up these dumb straw men instead of actually addressing the problem?
my real statement: we should all make sure we preserve the purity of our air and maintain a sustainable and livable environment on our planet
our, not mine
>why is the narcissistic savior complex crowd like this?
what a pathetic projection
anyone suggesting that you should make an effort to live in a sustainable and environmentally sound manner instead of making the problems worse just because everyone else are doing the same must be a "narcissistic savior"?
you think it's better to just run headlong into the tragedy of the commons until everything around you is a barren wasteland and the air a thick smog?
why keep setting up that stupid false dichotomy?

[Anonymous No.15883939]

>>15883931
I'm pretty sure you can't see the inherent projection/hypocrisy in your world view, because you are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15883942]

>>15883936
yeah, this exposes the hypocritical projection very well
if they are accusing me of somehow claiming that it's "my" planet and "my" air, why do they think it's perfectly acceptable to do as they want as if it's "their" planet and "their" air?
literally guilty of the exact thing they're accusing me of, if that's not textbook projection I don't know what is

[Anonymous No.15883965]

>>15883942
the psychology of people like that is pretty simple when it comes down to it.
they are simple, selfish and childlike.
the world revolves around them, and other people or sentience don't exist except as some sort of tool to be used or obstacle to be overcome.
the foundation for literally every opinion they have is based on what is beneficial for them. there is no objective overarching reality outside of themselves.

[Anonymous No.15884903]

>>15883931
Their false claims of concern for the planet are just selfish schemes to play victim and use thats false victimhood as a means to demand compensation.
Its not just
>stop using MY planet!!!
>you're breathing MY air!!!!
their full argent amounts to something more like:
>stop using MY planet, you owe me rent if you're going to use MY planet
>you're breathing MY air, you owe me an air usage fee if you're going to breathe MY air

[Anonymous No.15884933]

>>15863233
>paleoclimate studies
lol, none of that matches Roman or Medieval sources, which talk about what kinds of agriculture they engaged in and the growing conditions. French wine grapes were grown in Roman Britain, and they thought nothing of it. I would challenge you to do that today.

Also absent in your shown data is the massive change in temperature during the end of the Roman period and beginning of the Medieval period. Also interesting that only ONE study shows the Little Ice Age.

Another wonderful case of "the data didn't match observations, our observations must be wrong."

[Anonymous No.15885027]

>>15884933
>dinosaur bones were put here by the devil to trick us

ok

[Anonymous No.15885028]

>>15885027
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.15885030]

>>15885028
im quoting a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.15885040]

>>15861175
>>15865249
In the Devils Hole, Nevada paleoclimate record, the last four interglacials lasted over ~20,000 years with the warmest portion being a relatively stable period of 10,000 to 15,000 years duration

[Anonymous No.15885042]

>>15861175
>>15865249
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Glacial_and_interglacial_periods

[Anonymous No.15885107]

>>15883766
>>15883921
While I do agree, it's quite hard to not become apathetic to the issues you've mentioned. Even if you reduced your own emissions as much as possible (and you should - it's also somewhat fun), it's just a drop in the ocean of things that would need to be done. Therefore, the vast majority of people simply won't bother.

[Anonymous No.15885126]

>>15885042
thats a fake af propaganda website from a communist university
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Positive_climate_feedback
note how they deceptively include only two data points form 1984 & 2012 to create the false impression of linear trend in polar ice while intentionally leaving out the fact that polar ice increased during the 1960s & 1970s and has increased subsequent to 2012 which means that the trend is actually cyclical and not linear as they would want you to believe, so its a political propaganda website, not a science website, a science website would've given a full and accurate overview of the available data

[Anonymous No.15885132]

>>15884903
see:
>>15883938
>>15883939
>>15883942
>>15883965
what you're saying there is literally the most hypocritical irony possible
nothing we're saying is anything close to what you claim there
so, let me ask you this straight out: why do you believe it's YOUR air and YOUR planet instead?
after all you're arguing that you should get to do exactly what you want with it despite any consequences to me, isn't that literally exactly what you're accusing me of despite how I'm saying that WE should take care of OUR air and OUR planet?

[Anonymous No.15885138]

>>15885126
>math, physics and data is literal communism

ok

[Anonymous No.15885140]

>>15885126
>blatant, self-serving lies

thanks for your contribution
anything else you'd like to add?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgoR7dCPc8w

[Anonymous No.15886510]

>>15885140
>youtube
fake and gay trash for dumb uneducated gullible children

[Anonymous No.15886694]

>>15886510
>understanding how light works is fake and gay trash

ok

[Anonymous No.15886991]

greta thinks shes a muslim man now

[Anonymous No.15887516]

>>15886694
You're a literal drooling retard if you think you're learning anything worth knowing by being a zombie staring at youtube videos

[Anonymous No.15887534]

>>15885027
You're the one ignoring ancient primary sources. Or is there a vast conspiracy across several thousand years to falsify climate observations in order to cast doubt on predictions about ice core samples, which are indirect observations of past climates at best.

[Anonymous No.15888189]

>>15861091
Sadly the former is a real thing while the latter in nonsese

[Anonymous No.15888545]

>>15887516
There's lots on youtube that is way beyond the capabilities of average people to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLaFAKnaRJU

[Anonymous No.15889131]

>>15886991
Greta was always male
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/28999895/#29000000

[Anonymous No.15889718]

>>15889131
lol

[Anonymous No.15890847]

>>15888545
>I'm sooooo above average!!
>I'm a super special snowflake!!!
lol

[Anonymous No.15890938]

>>15883073
>this type of reasoning is so retarded, it's the same as "omg let's just divide all the wealth of the richest people among everyone else!"
>fact is, people like Bezos are outnumbered far more than 3 orders of magnitude by regular people, so even if he is responsible for 1500 times the emissions as regular people, it's still regular people who contribute by far the most in total
>not very hard to understand
Nobody is saying that Bezos is singlehandedly responsible for more environmental damage than the entire rest of society, only that he is singlehandedly responsible for more environmental damage than any given individual, and that if he or similarly wealthy figures purport to lecture the proles on their consumption habits, they should limit their own luxury expenses, lest they be guilty of hypocrisy, at the least.

[Anonymous No.15890939]

>>15890847
and you're a fucktard who has an opinion ... in this case on climate change.

[Anonymous No.15891535]

[Anonymous No.15891730]

>>15890938
most people use it as an excuse to keep doing the same things themselves

[Anonymous No.15892648]

[Anonymous No.15892757]

>>15860913
Aren’t we technically still in the glaciation period?

[Anonymous No.15892758]

>>15892757
Yes. We're in a glacial period because the poles still have ice caps.

[Anonymous No.15892778]

>>15892757
Yes, we just call it an interglacial since Russia and Canada aren't buried by ice sheets.

[Anonymous No.15893069]

>>15892757
No, we are not.
Considering the last 2 million years, we are in the warm, small ice sheet part of the 100k year cycle. That's interglacial.

[Anonymous No.15893528]

>>15893069
>Considering the last 2 million years
cherrypicking, we're talking about geological time scales here

[Anonymous No.15893564]

>>15864936
The little ice age wasn't a glacial period, in fact was arguably only a local event.

[Anonymous No.15893625]

>>15893564
It corresponds to the collapse of the Maya and a period of civil wars in China and Japan.

[Anonymous No.15894677]

>>15893528
anything over roughly 50k year is geological time scales.

[Anonymous No.15895172]

[Anonymous No.15895530]

>>15895172
Why is a psychiatrist wearing a stethoscope?

[Anonymous No.15895874]

>>15895530
the whole profession is about tricking people so why not

[Anonymous No.15895906]

>>15861441
>Its almost as if

[Anonymous No.15896070]

>>15860926
Shut up Mr. Freeze

[Anonymous No.15896104]

>>15861432
>>15861431
>>15861485
>>15861507
>>15861517
>>15863062
>>15863072
>>15863237
>>15866019
>>15883073

[Anonymous No.15896106]

>>15883073
I don't care you stupid idiot, I want that fucker burned alive.

[Anonymous No.15896108]

>>15883766

[Anonymous No.15896900]

>>15895874

[Anonymous No.15897594]

>>15895874
>the whole profession is about tricking people
same is true of climate science

[Anonymous No.15898722]

>>15897594
Its true of all science

[Anonymous No.15899498]

>>15898722
yep, global warming is as fake as dark matter, which is as fake as abiogenisis which is as fake as the standard model of atomic nuclei which is as fake as muh 9001 genders and geologist's pronouncements of whats inside the earth's core which is in turn as fake as corona virus and alzheimer's research. you can't find any field of science that isn't overrun by fraud.

[Anonymous No.15899687]

>>15899498
And yet there is some truth to all of that. Unfortunately scumbags have used it to their advantage, discrediting all of it.
What comes next is a new dark ages.

[Anonymous No.15900479]

>>15860913
Of course. Science stopped being science around the 80s and prior to that everyone knew it was going to get cold and that we should be grateful not to be frozen.

[Anonymous No.15900483]

Isnt the deciding factor whether or not there's permanent ice on the planet?
Meaning, arent we still in an ice age anyway?

[Anonymous No.15900606]

>>15861485
the day all environmentalists are killed will be a liberating one

[Anonymous No.15900935]

>>15900606
>t. corporate bootlicking scumbag

[Anonymous No.15900939]

>>15900483
No, it oscillates between lots of ice and not very much ice. It's been exceedingly rare in geological history for all of the ice to disappear.

[Anonymous No.15900953]

>>15892648
No one said this.

[Anonymous No.15901128]

>>15892648
we're unironically due for the start of the next ice age, however it take 10000 years for an ice age to get underway so its not really all that big of a deal

[Anonymous No.15901135]

>>15900939
Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.15901556]

>>15901135
/sci/ is packed to the gills with SJW trolls who showed up after the 2016 election hoping to cause trouble on /pol/ and got ignored so they went to a slower board where their trolling won't get ignored off the front page in 5 minutes

[Anonymous No.15901581]

>>15901135
>>15901556
Who's the troll? Someone who calls people who know about science and math "SJW trolls" on a science and math board with absolutely no knowledge of science and math? Or someone who tries to answer questions?

The last time earth had no polar ice caps was around 33 million years ago, and that doesn't include the likihood that glaciers existed in mountains away from the poles.

You're just another repugnant scumbag that believes whatever nonsense makes your life simple. Abiotic oil anybody?

[Anonymous No.15901903]

>>15901581
hydrocarbon fuels exist on lifeless moons in our soloar system, the presumption that they're of organic origin is clearly false

[Anonymous No.15901914]

>>15901903
>hydrocarbon fuels exist on lifeless moons
That can't be true if found using science, which as we all know on this board, is complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15901921]

>>15901914
Not a surprising take for a warmist. We all know that belief in global warming requires a hatred of science.

[Anonymous No.15901941]

>>15901903
Non sequitur

[Anonymous No.15901945]

>>15901921
what makes you think i'm "warmist"? does that go hand in hand with not believing in abiotic oil?

[Anonymous No.15901964]

>>15901945
You see, every “mainstream belief” triggers the chud. Try telling him that evolution is real, the earth is older than 6000 years and round, or that the adverse reactions with the Covid vaccine are very rare.

[Anonymous No.15901987]

>>15901964
You can take advantage of this by promoting certain substances that the "mainstream" deems as detrimental to health, like tobacco.
After all, people smoked tobacco for ages with no consequences, until the kikes decided that it's bad for goyim.
If you do this, the chud problem will correct itself.

[Anonymous No.15902294]

>>15901987
promote the hell out of the covid vax if you want to kill people, the vax is way more carcinogenic than tobacco

[Anonymous No.15902889]

>>15901945
No, your being a fucking retard unfamiliar with the surface hydrocarbons on Saturn's moon Titan makes you a warmist.

[Anonymous No.15902893]

>>15902294
Source?

[Anonymous No.15902899]

>>15860913
Retard

[Anonymous No.15902941]

>>15861441
>>15861431

It seems CO2 is turning Earth into iceplanet, not into Venus

Something else creates hot planets than CO2 but scientists are fixated on CO2

[Anonymous No.15903669]

>>15902941
>scientists are fixated on CO2
they're fixated on CO2 because thats what they're paid to fixate on

[Anonymous No.15903968]

CO2 isnt the problem. Depletion of natural resources isnt the problem (except bioresources). The problem is the massive subsidization of third world populations.
By the time oil, gas, uranium would be depleted (minimum 3 centuries, probably more), a competently-run Europe or USA would have more than enough time to come up with alternatives (either reusing waste products, improving the efficiency of current technologies etc...).
Instead, the only world regions capable of solving this question are run by malthusian population reductionists (only European for whatever reason) that would rather send $500 billion dollars in aid to an assortment of shitholes populated by 80 iq smoothbrained primates 99% capable of only fucking and eating.
The elites must have some absurd hidden tech, capable of either insulating themselves against the impending global wasteland, or just straight up leaving the planet altogether.

[Anonymous No.15904061]

>>15903968
No they're just fucking morons who help niggers because jewbook says to.

[Anonymous No.15904113]

>>15860913
>The next ice age has started
We ARE in an ice age.

[Anonymous No.15904118]

>>15860913
Is this noise? A glitch?

[Anonymous No.15904122]

>>15896108
Actually...
Doesn't matter anyways, off-topic

[Anonymous No.15904136]

>>15904118
Did you edit that to bypass some kind of spam filter?

[Anonymous No.15905268]

>>15903669
this, scientists will tell any lie as long as they're paid a wage to do so

[Anonymous No.15905539]

>>15901964

[Anonymous No.15905758]

Northern hemisphere snow cover currently near record highs for the satellite era. The brief 20th century warm period is ending and the next installment of the little ice age is beginning

[Anonymous No.15905784]

>>15905758
How many sigmas is this "above average" observation? What's the significance?

[Anonymous No.15905804]

>>15905784
only 57 years of data so you're practically dealing with small number statistics. come back and ask again in a millennia or two if you want to talk sigmas

[Anonymous No.15905961]

>>15860913
Evolution is flat, earth is fake.

[Anonymous No.15906731]

>>15905539
and here they come

[Anonymous No.15907079]

>>15905758
This pretty much disproves global warming. Next they'll be telling us the arctic and antarctic ice sheets are growing because of global warming.
>its super cold because of global warming, trust me
>t. (((science)))

[Anonymous No.15907837]

current conditions in europe
-11º

[Anonymous No.15907876]

>>15860913
we never actually left ice age oficially

[Anonymous No.15908940]

>>15907079
The atheist political soience activist class will lie about anything because they don't have consciences, they will always be able to invent a made up soience excuse for why you need to give them free gibes welfare money "for science" because they're just greedy swindlers

[Anonymous No.15910587]

>>15908940
this board is filled with political activist types posing as people with interest in science, but actually are here because they want to play internet political commisar
they don't mind lying about their interests because they don't have consciences

[Anonymous No.15911182]

>>15907837
You should brush the snow off your greenhouse and let it warm up in there. You can grow nice crops over winter in a greenhouse like that, I get a massive spinach crop every winter in my greenhouse, it harvests in February just in time to get the spinach out of the way and get the spring and summer crops a head start.

[Anonymous No.15912343]

>>15902893

[Anonymous No.15913149]

>>15907079
>its super cold because of global warming, trust me
"Its super cold because the next ice age is starting to get underway." is a much more reasonable explanation.

[Anonymous No.15913587]

>>15910587
According to the science, conscience is something that develops in some people, but not in all people, around age 5-7. Given the number of people who are chronologically adults, but who still watch children's cartoons and play video games, it seems reasonable to expect that a lot of them never progressed in psychological development past the 5 year old stage.

[Anonymous No.15914417]

>>15913587
"Arrested psychological development" used to be known as ""Retarded psychological development". Thats where the common insult "retard" derives it's common use from.

[Anonymous No.15916006]

>>15860913
We should clearcut the forests in Canada before they get trapped under a bunch of glaciers, would be a shame to see all that wood go to waste

[Anonymous No.15916641]

>>15892648
science was better back then, it was somewhat objective before it became completely politicized. now its just pure propaganda

[Anonymous No.15917752]

>>15916641
It was propaganda back then too.

[Anonymous No.15918658]

>>15917752
This, science was only an effective technique for learned back when it was conducted by the Christians who founded the scientific method. The subsequent generations of atheists who title themselves scientists are incapable of honesty, which also makes them incapable of executing the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.15919785]

>>15913149
clearly

[Anonymous No.15920521]

>>15919785
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.15922157]

>>15860988
>icy wat u did thier