/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15850001]

You know that famous chart of human knowledge with the giant crater caused by the dark ages? Someone should make that for science in general and how much particle physics has retarded progress.

[Anonymous No.15850009]

>>15850001
Weird, that's the same way I feel about LEO manned space stations.

[Anonymous No.15850044]

>>15850001
Do it yourself.

[Anonymous No.15850047]

>>15850001
Imagine how much money people have spend to learn how to make money.

[Anonymous No.15851322]

>>15850001
>Someone should make that for science in general and how much particle physics has retarded progress.
Imagine that there is one group of people who have the greatest potential to figure out how to harness nuclear power either by fission or fusion and by doing so create a future for mankind with limitless available energy and this group of people are given virtually limitless resources with which to work their magic and instead of concentrating on their one worthy goal they spend all of their time and energy looking for new particles to name after themselves.
To engage in such an irresponsible and dumb waste of their resources you'd almost have to guess that people who were making fortunes selling the limited and restricted conventional energy resources that are currently available were bribing the physicists to avoid the one key issue that they could usefully contribute to civilization by solving.

[Anonymous No.15851349]

>>15850009
To be fair, the construction of the ISS showed exactly how future interplanetary spacecraft should be constructed. There has been some value in going out and testing various engineering principles.
The problem is all NASA and the ESA want to do is play with their dicks, because doing anything else is costly and risky.

[Anonymous No.15851470]

The LHC discovered the Higgs, measured several decay channels which can be measured (H->ee for example can't be measured at the LHC due to the low branching ratio), verified the couplings predicted by theory, verified the cross sections and differential cross sections in all relevant phase space regions. Also all of that for the rest of the Standard Model. That was basically done at CMS and ATLAS. That also gave us constraints for Beyond Standard Model physics. The same at LHCb, meson CP violation was measured, also rare decays of these mesons which are sensitive to BSM physics (new particles). There are several differences between the experiment and the Standard Model that are still unresolved.
If you're working on this stuff, you realize that there are important results published every month.
If you're just watching the news, waiting for the pee pee poo poo dark matter particle to be discovered and that's your only metric for progress, you think that nothing has happened in the last 10 years since the Higgs discovery. You are trusting pop sci journalists to inform you about what about what is going on.
It's like saying medicine research is useless because cancer hasn't been cured yet.

>>15851322
Where's my bribe?
>He does it for free

[Anonymous No.15851737]

>>15851349
>To be fair, the construction of the ISS showed exactly how future interplanetary spacecraft should not be constructed.
Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.15851765]

>>15851470
>CP violation was measured
tell me again how qf isn't a satanist front

[Anonymous No.15852765]

>>15851349
>ISS showed exactly how future interplanetary spacecraft should be constructed.
it showed they should be constructed without women being involved in the process

[Anonymous No.15854335]

i continue this thread on the /sci/ hideout talk lol
https://discord.gg/3GCVvT5Q

[Anonymous No.15854810]

>>15850001
>gibes me dat soiyence welfare check money of free

[Anonymous No.15855420]

>>15851322
>Imagine that there is one group of people who have the greatest potential to figure out how to harness nuclear power
They don't have that potential, they have mental illness that prevents them from producing anything of value, thats why they're in academics

[Anonymous No.15855433]

>>15850001
next step is to build a ring around the planet

[Anonymous No.15855694]

>>15850001
This but literally any science since the 50s

[Anonymous No.15855861]

>>15851470
>measured several decay channels which can be measured (H->ee for example can't be measured at the LHC due to the low branching ratio),
What is this?

[Anonymous No.15856875]

>>15855420
This.
They take pride in the pointlessness and uselessness of their research
>No, I'm not trying to create anything of meaningful value that anyone might benefit from
>I only do pure science

[Anonymous No.15857176]

>>15856875
>fundamental research bad
Ok, wanna cry about it?

[Anonymous No.15857210]

>>15850001
>You know that famous chart of human knowledge with the giant crater caused by the dark ages?
You know that it’s false, right?
Stick to /pol/ idiot, you know nothing about science nor history

[Anonymous No.15858303]

>>15857210
triggered

[Anonymous No.15858387]

>>15850001
>the dark ages
Anyone that buys into this shit is immediately branded as a midwit
Read shit by the scholastics and from that era and you’ll realize there were no dark ages

[Anonymous No.15858392]

>>15852765
>goes to space
>immediately loses purse

[Anonymous No.15858575]

>>15850001
But they did find new particles

[Anonymous No.15858580]

>>15851470
yeah even if they're trying to prove string theory, and string theory is bullshit, the experimental data alone has value

[Anonymous No.15858591]

>>15850001
It is turtles all the way down. You would have to build more turtles than there are turtles all the way down. A theory of everything is necessarily impossible.

[Anonymous No.15858924]

>>15858387
>Anyone that buys into this shit is immediately branded as a midwit
unjustly, I might add, but understandably, since the schizos have no argument. talk five minutes with the average religiotard, then imagine his ilk being in power for centuries. 'dark' does not even begin to describe it.

[Anonymous No.15858930]

>>15850001
>You know that famous chart of human knowledge with the giant crater caused by the dark ages?
Yes, it's a retarded atheist meme that, like nearly atheist memes, is ahistorical nonsense.

[Anonymous No.15858934]

>>15858924
Shut up A.A. Lewis

[Anonymous No.15860399]

>>15858580
>the experimental data alone has value
no it doesn't, it will never be used to create anything of meaningful use or value, your fantasy about someone looking over the data at a later date and doing something useful with it is fake and gay, it will never come true, they currently have mountains of old data and it only goes uselessly ignored

[Anonymous No.15861228]

>>15860399
absolutely true, nobody ever uses old data in their research because getting new data requires demanding fat grant money welfare gibes and greedily demanding free money research gibes is the number on goal of the academic scientist. wasting other people's money to produce nothing of any worth or value is their favorite pastime

[Anonymous No.15862827]

>>15861228
follow the money, thats what truly motives people

[Anonymous No.15863500]

>>15858924
>religiotard
95% of maths and physics was discovered by religiotards lmfao

[Anonymous No.15863513]

>>15851470
Give me a bigger bomb, or cheaper energy, or a time machine, or a proper new theory. There was a time when big new stuff came along every few years, phones, cars, planes, the relativities, quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, QED, computers. Now its all so slow. I think we've peaked really, we're just going through the motions now, like a chicken before it realises it's head has been chopped off.

[Anonymous No.15863687]

>>15863500

[Anonymous No.15864939]

>>15850001
>how much particle physics has retarded progress.
its not like that by accident, subatomic physics might be the most jewish dominated sector in all of science

[Anonymous No.15864951]

>>15850001
CERN invented the technology that allows me to call you a faggot from anywhere in the world

[Anonymous No.15866447]

>>15864951
no they didn't, that was invented by an artist named morse

[Anonymous No.15871365]

>>15863500
>95%
100%

[Anonymous No.15872322]

>>15857210
>muh /pol/

[Anonymous No.15873625]

>>15864951
no they didn't, electronic communications existed long before cern did

[Anonymous No.15874511]

>>15873625
Just another all too common case of science cringoids trying to award themselves credit for other people's accomplishments because they have nothing of their own to brag about as a means of justifying their lavish budgets which inevitably got to waste without producing anything of value

[Anonymous No.15874902]

>>15863500
math was discovered by farmers

[Anonymous No.15876006]

>>15874902
Farmers also invented writing and astronomy

[Anonymous No.15876371]

>>15858924
You are the dumbest kind of people

[Anonymous No.15876448]

>>15858591

[Anonymous No.15876923]

>>15876006
also genetics

[Anonymous No.15878109]

>>15876923
>>15876006
also behavioral science and engineering

[Anonymous No.15878126]

>>15850001
Let’s not forget that particle accelerators exist for one reason and one reason only
That reason being to eventually develop next-gen weaponry for military use
Wonder why anti-matter and black holes always come up in the news for these things? It’s because that’s what gets the warmongers wet
If you don’t like particle accelerators start demanding lower military spending

[Anonymous No.15878141]

>>15878126
>the primary natural masuline urges, those being crushing your enemies and constructing particle colliders, are both cornerstones of military spending
based. I love the military now. Thank you for the insight.

[Anonymous No.15878145]

>>15878141
agreed I just want better lasers

[Anonymous No.15878719]

>>15878126
they don't do that with particle accelerators, they don't do anything useful or potentially useful. particle accelerators exist to justify the creation of worthless academic publications that nobody reads

[Anonymous No.15878741]

I fell like top quarks should be the same mass as bottom quarks. And that bosons are waves not particles.

[Anonymous No.15879065]

>>15851349
>>15850009
dont worry, now that the chinese are building a spacestation, muttoids will have to because they simply cannot let the chinese one-up them.

[Anonymous No.15879645]

>>15879065
>sovless
>sovl

[Anonymous No.15880915]

>>15879645
both are just green screen studios

[Anonymous No.15880945]

>>15878719
Think again: https://www.osti.gov/biblio/841301

[Anonymous No.15880962]

>>15879065
One of them is older and full of ad hoc upgrades made in situ. Everything single difference is explained by that.

[Anonymous No.15882378]

>>15878719
this
cern costs a fortune and produces nothing

[Anonymous No.15882855]

>>15882378
It produces impoverishment for the European working class, which is a big part it's goal.
>you will own nothing and you will be happy
translates to
>cern and other big government communist organizations are going to take all your money and waste it lavishly on themselves

[Anonymous No.15882892]

>>15850001
The dark ages weren't actually as dark as media tends to paint it

[Anonymous No.15884786]

>>15882892
Nerds should love the so-called "dark ages" because thats when the eyeglasses that the genetically inferior four eyed losers can't survive without were invented

[Anonymous No.15886231]

>>15850044
no

[Anonymous No.15886767]

>>15874902
>>15876006
>>15876923
>>15878109

[Anonymous No.15887569]

>>15886767
crops are more important that vanity publications in the replication crisis journals

[Anonymous No.15887724]

>>15850001
I highly doubt that you wouldn't also buy hookers and crack with that amount of money.

[Anonymous No.15887751]

>>15887569
lol, no they aren't. Science is what feeds us, not "farmers".

[Anonymous No.15889060]

>>15887751
source?

[Anonymous No.15889068]

>>15850001
If there's anything to be keynesian about, there it is

[Anonymous No.15889603]

>>15887751
swerve, dr. phd

[Anonymous No.15889736]

>>15852765
women shouldn't be involved in anything that requires more than half a brain.

[Anonymous No.15890843]

>>15863500
100%

[Anonymous No.15891483]

>>15890843
all the most valuable an important parts were discovered by adherents of the ancient egyptian religion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_mh3xQnMWQ

[Anonymous No.15892555]

>>15889736
Raising children involves being able to understand the wants and needs of very ignorant young brains, thats why women are good at it

[Anonymous No.15892595]

>>15874902
Religious farmers.

[Anonymous No.15892600]

>>15879065
Imagine how things are going to go once China installs an escalator in their space station.

[Anonymous No.15893478]

>>15892595
Their religion and their math and science were all wrapped up together, as it should be. Permissiveness towards atheists has destroyed western scientific progress, brought it to a crashing halt, same is it did in the USSR

[Anonymous No.15894473]

>>15893478
Francis Bacon, when he wasn't busy organizing the scientific method, spend a lot of effort writing about the evils of atheism

[Anonymous No.15894584]

>>15850001
this pic reminds me of communism

[Anonymous No.15895269]

Lake Geneva is over 1000' deep, they're gonna have to dig that deep to go under it.

[Anonymous No.15895286]

>>15863513

You have a bigger bomb, cheaper energy and almost a time machine because of the LHC. Just because you cannot understand the implications, does not mean bigger bombs aren't being built. ESPECIALLY after 9/11, and then again under Obama, the US has completely rebuilt it's nuclear arsenal at least twice just to incorporate new physics discovered by the LHC and others. Biden is doing it a third time as part of the nuclear supply chain reconstruction project begun in 2021. It's not on the news because it's boring nerd shit that someone like you casually disregards because you cannot understand it. The US govt is closer to fusion now than ever with their NIF, a device that is a result of the failed TMX program. Both have hugely benefited from the LHC's research into high-energy plasma movement.

In case it's not obvious: your cheaper energy is the study of what happens when particles collide at very high speeds. This can be approximated best in either open nuclear bomb testing or large railguns. Until nuclear bomb testing is allowed again, the LHC and similar devices is the best chance you have for workable fusion because it is the only way we can meaningfully study it.

[Anonymous No.15895291]

>>15850001
>dark ages
Read Gunnar heinsohn

[Anonymous No.15895310]

>>15851470
You write like an AI bot quoting BS taken from (((wikipedia))), or like you're reading from the self-promotion literature CERN puts out when asking for more shekels. "We found the Higgs! And you know we really did because we SAY we did! Remember how much better it made everything? Remember that? Huh?"

[Anonymous No.15895316]

>>15879065
>Actually trying to BRAG about chinese "technology"

[Anonymous No.15895409]

>>15895310

Give us your alternative proposal to CERN and the LHC, then.

>Remember how much better it made everything? Remember that? Huh?"

The US government spent $4 billion rebuilding it's nuclear weapons after the Higgs was decisively quantified, as it made several important quantum functions usable within atomic bombs. It's also why we now have quantum computers, because higgs fields are encountered whenever the quantum computer does a calculation and transmutes mass as a consequence. Which is how it's different from a normal computer.

...you knew this right?

[Anonymous No.15895676]

>>15850001
If we stop sending israel checks for 1 month we could afford it and have like 20bil left over. Lets stop sending money to these fucks and instead invest in crazy science fair projects

[Anonymous No.15895873]

>>15850001
Fuck, I hate particle physics.
What a waste of money.
I hope Unzicker finally loses it and throws a rock at Edward Witten's head.
Not that I would want him to actually get injured, but can he shut up for just 5 minutes so the billions of dollars used for particle shitters can be used to feed children and the elderly?
Fuck that gaylord is annoying.

[Anonymous No.15895881]

>>15894473
Just like a nazi-hured scientist would write about the evils of jews. Pandering is good for funding.

[Anonymous No.15895895]

hope the new collider gets completed in my lifetime, seeing /pol/-schizos seethe about it will be top tier content. pic related, average /pol/-schizo level of scientific understanding in action.

[Anonymous No.15896876]

>>15895676
israel's gibes comes from america, europe is poor because they're trying to commit suicide by taking in every refugee and putting them all on welfare

[Anonymous No.15897608]

>>15895409
none of that is of any use
>quantum computers
don't exist

[Anonymous No.15898732]

>>15882855
>cern and other big government communist organizations are going to take all your money and waste it lavishly on themselves
They do that without even having the intention of doing anything useful with the money, clearly they are not people who have consciences

[Anonymous No.15899521]

>>15895286
>You have a bigger bomb, cheaper energy and almost a time machine because of the LHC
nope
LHC has produced nothing of any value whatsoever
energy is currently a lot more expensive that it used to be

[Anonymous No.15900947]

>>15896876
And because they don't produce anything, except Germany and they only make cars

[Anonymous No.15901626]

>>15900947
Most of those cars are made in China, Germany only does final assembly.

[Anonymous No.15901898]

>>15900947
Germany makes trains too, they made the crappy trains for my local subway system. Cost a fortune and they suck, good thing I never ride public transportation

[Anonymous No.15903343]

>>15901898
The only people who use public transportation in my town are total losers, mostly criminals and hobos. We spend a fortune on those toxic vermin, all to the detriment of the decent working people who actually produce something of value for society.
Its retarded

[Anonymous No.15904085]

>>15903343
let my guess, your city bends over backwards to provide every form of gibes known to mankind to "the poor" and somehow or other, poverty and crime just get worse every year as a result

[Anonymous No.15904133]

>>15851470
Long live CERN

[Anonymous No.15904661]

>5 generations of 10000 ebin smart guys
>let's...SMASH ROCK STRONGER! GRUG!

fuckin cunts

[Anonymous No.15904673]

>>15879065
One was made when Bug's Life was the pinnacle of Pixar animation power and the other was made when the coof began. It's like trying to show off your $800 gaming pc by comparing it to a Macintosh

[Anonymous No.15904698]

>>15850001
>me no understand therefore me say it BAD
so tiresome. so so tiresome

[Anonymous No.15904805]

>>15850001
THAT MONEY BELONGS TO STARVING AFRICANS SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE STARVING AFRICANS

[Anonymous No.15905340]

>>15904805
>money can be spent only two ways, it can either be wasted on useless soiyence boondoggles or it can be sent to africa
what a stupid dishonest argument

[Anonymous No.15905966]

>>15905340
they make that same argument all the time because they are stupid dishonest people

[Anonymous No.15906993]

how come theres no big project like the super duper super collider devoted to learning about dark matter?

[Anonymous No.15907824]

>>15905966
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

[Anonymous No.15908198]

>>15851470
>measured several decay channels which can be measured (H->ee for example can't be measured at the LHC due to the low branching ratio), verified the couplings predicted by theory, verified the cross sections and differential cross sections in all relevant phase space regions. Also all of that for the rest of the Standard Model. T
Tell me what any of this means in terms of results of particle collisions and decay, what goes in and what goes out, what was discovered?

[Anonymous No.15908251]

guys don't worrry
soon we will all live on mars with quantum computers
we will all live forever and create life
oh wait science has not delivered anything in the past 50 years

[Anonymous No.15908997]

>>15906993
scientists are too dumb to unlock the mysteries of dark matter. just look at how little they accomplished with the super duper super collider and jwst, giving resources to people that dumb to study a difficult problem like dark matter won't help anything.

[Anonymous No.15909468]

>>15851765
That's charge parity symmetry. There's also CPT (charge-parity-time) symmetry.
Basically means that you can run the equations in reverse and they still work.

[Anonymous No.15910628]

>>15909468
your schizophasiac ramblings and your catchphrases and jargon are all impotent and useless. you might enjoy posing as being sophisticated via spouting out your soience word salads, but everyone knows you're just faking it and have no real knowledge of how things actually work and that you're really just a cringey shallow larper

[Anonymous No.15910686]

>>15850001
Fusion is in the same pickle right now - all the fusionfags have decided that "just build it bigger and it'll work" is the hill the field is going to die on.

Here's a thought - take it back to the drawing board, go back to tabletop or room-sized setups and apply everything we've learned the last 50 years and see how far we can push it before having to scale up again. You'll (a) ensure the next large scale project is more likely to actually work and (b) encourage significantly more researchers working on the idea from different angles because there won't be a fucking billion dollar project budget filtering out everyone from the smaller research centers and schools out.

[Anonymous No.15911205]

>>15910686
We already have fission power that we don't use, I don't see any rational reason to be chasing fusion power.

[Anonymous No.15911746]

>>15889060
Farmers are just glorified landlords. The typical "farmer" lives in a city and rents his inherited rural lands to companies that hire day laborers and agronomists. Everything requieres machinery, trucks pumps, generators, lots of construction of storage facilities and roads, chemical plants to provide fertilizer and pesticides, oil companies to provide feedstocks, millions of people work off-farm to make farms possible.
And you think some millionaire landlord getting a cut from renting lands to agrobusiness is feeding you. Lmao dumb cuckold

[Anonymous No.15911749]

>>15910686
>and apply everything we've learned the last 50 years
We learned that bigger fusion devices work better

[Anonymous No.15911763]

>>15850001
>how much particle physics has retarded progress
Literally typing this on computer hardware that depends on quantum effects.
Kek

[Anonymous No.15911804]

>>15911763
>Literally typing this on computer hardware that depends on quantum effects.
What quantum effect? A fucking transistor. A valve.
Its not "quantum effects". Its not particle physics.
You just have a material with an electrical resistance that can be controlled with an external voltage. The material is an insulator but if you apply a high voltage to it it you can force free electrons into in, which can then carry a current.
The constructions of these materials does not require any understanding of the cope and hag interpretation nor of QFT goobledygook

[Anonymous No.15912165]

>>15911749
Yes, but that's not the only thing we've learned. Fusion is never going to be economically viable if a reactor costs $50B, takes 20 years to build, and requires the world's entire supply of tritium to function. Scale down and see how efficient you can make reactors at the small scale before scaling up again.

Saw a great talk at DPP this year - there's a guy 3D printing chambers for tabletop stellarators and developing a semi-automated winding technique. Constructing smaller scale experiments is becoming affordable to the point that most small universities could operate something tabletop or room-sized if they simply had the funding.

Imagine how many experiments we could run and how much data we could collect if instead of spending $50B on one ITER, you spent $5B on a couple thousand tokamaks and stellarators, gave one to every university with a plasma physicist on staff, and said "alright, make whatever modifications you can come up with to improve the efficiency and confinement time for this device and report your results.

[Anonymous No.15913094]

>>15911804
IFLS soience faggots are incessantly claiming credit for having invented everything when in reality they contributed to nothing. They have to constantly claim credit for the value of other people's work and inventiveness to justify their existence because they have nothing of their own to rely on.
Taking credit for things you didn't do is intellectual property theft, but they just don't care.

[Anonymous No.15913102]

>>15850009
I was just reading something about cops and had to think Low Earth Orbit instead of Law Enforcement Officer. Space stations manned by cops.

[Anonymous No.15913108]

>>15858924
The people in the church back then weren't people of Walmart dude. They were well read and educated.

[Anonymous No.15913119]

>>15895881
All of those guys were religious/spiritual/occult in some form. All that woo woo shit people make fun of would be right up their alley. They wouldn't want to talk to some atheist science dork wearing a Marvel shirt, they would be asking the hippie giy how he knows about resonant frequencies. They'd be talking about alchemy and hermetic principles.