/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15847771]

No one has free will.. it's over..

/sci/..

[Anonymous No.15847779]

>>15847771
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.15847789]

freewill is an incoherent undefinable concept

[Anonymous No.15847790]

Actually it's just you

[Anonymous No.15847796]

>>15847771
it's just beginning for you, as you are free to act as far as you are able to, the question is what has society provided as means which are accessible (IE you are free to choose whether you have strawberry or chocolate cake at a patisserie, the question is, who and what are the mechanisms to change these selections, such as democratic elections).

Free will is therefore much more radical than choosing from just freedom of choice, it's the freedom to change the choices themselves, and in this way, we are more unfree than ever (under the constraints imposed by capitalism (or whatever word you want for the existing socioeconomic order)

[Anonymous No.15847983]

>>15847789
I want to have freedom of killing muslims at will.
WHERE MY FREEDOOM !?!?!

[Anonymous No.15848130]

>>15847771
Ways free will could scientifically exist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8EkwRgG4OE

[Anonymous No.15848156]

>>15847771
i believe in free will, and because you believe everything is predetermined, you have absolutely no reason to object to my belief.

[Anonymous No.15848159]

>>15848156
No, because I am predetermined to reject your belief

[Barkun No.15848162]

>>15848159

[Anonymous No.15848168]

>>15848159
but you admit that my belief is predetermined too, so you have zero grounding on which to object to me.

[Anonymous No.15848175]

>>15847789
>undefinable
Free will is the capacity for a person to act differently under the same set of circumstances.

[Anonymous No.15848181]

>>15848159
If your beliefs are all conditioned reflexes, there's no reason to think what you're claiming has any truth value.

[Barkun No.15848183]

>>15848181
No because right now you're like little slut - little slut weasels. I will Father you into something special. We'll be a family.

[Anonymous No.15848188]

>>15847771
I don't understand why anyone cares about this topic. What does it matter if you have free will or not?

What day-to-day operation of your life is impacted in any way by having or not having free will?

Is it just that you would prefer to think you have free will? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.15848194]

>>15848175
>under the same set of circumstances.
as much as you can tell or absolute?

[Anonymous No.15848208]

>>15848156
This doesn't imply that there is no reason to object to your belief. It implies that if you continue to hold the belief, or change it, is not the result of free will.

Those things are not the same.

[Anonymous No.15848209]

>>15848188
I don't understand who do slaves care about this topic. What does it matter if you have free will or not?

What day-to-day operation of your life is impacted in any way by having or not having free will?

Is it just that you would prefer to think you have free will? If so, why?

[Anonymous No.15848236]

>>15848209
Lacking free will doesn't make you a slave or impinge on your rights. It just means that your decisions and reactions to stimuli are made by an unknown heuristic.

Slavery and free will existing or not existing are not related.

[Anonymous No.15848244]

>>15848236
>Lacking free will doesn't make you a slave
Sure it does. I'll demonstrate. Stop cooming to dragon maids. Sounds like a slave to me.
>Slavery and free will existing or not existing are not related.
I disagree if your will is not free you are beholden to forces outside of (You) as per the definition of the noun slave
>One who is owned as the property of someone else, especially in involuntary servitude.
If you can't pick for your will to be free it's involuntary.

[Anonymous No.15848248]

>>15848209
ah it's always about mental gymnastics and justifying their horrible behavior. it's not about teh surface level shit. the stakes are high for them

[Anonymous No.15848250]

>>15848248
>they keep fucking using their brain I can't stand it
Do you know where you are, friend? /pol/ and /sci/ are different letters on your keyboard.

[Anonymous No.15848252]

>>15848250
>they keep fucking using their brain
yes, to justify their horrible behavior. not to find out truth, but exactly to obfuscate the truth.

[Anonymous No.15848254]

>>15848252
Because the truth is absolute and you have it. Thank fuck. What is it? Is it man in sky? Which man in sky? Your man in sky? That's great we solved it. Thank you, very cool.

[Anonymous No.15848263]

>>15848254
I'm just not primitive in the way I look at things.
for me, any concession I make is something which fucks with my mental models, threatening objective view of reality, which in turn affects my ability to correctly predict outcomes.
believing in bullshit is not free. it works in insidious ways on your models of reality, affects you to much greater degree than you yourself are ever able to notice. you only see it "from outside" and is enough to induce a sort of extreme hygiene on the topic.

[Anonymous No.15848268]

>>15848263
>my mental model is objective
Well, you don't know what you don't know.
>I'm just not primitive
Hilarious irony.
>correctly predict outcomes.
Predict the next lottery numbers.
> you only see it "from outside"
>only people who believe in MY god see correctly from the inside.
Yup, that checks out. I am going to diagnose you as an NPC. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.15848269]

>>15847771
indeed... we're products of our biological and circumstantial destiny.
we're like pieces of wood floating in the middle of a powerful river.
only a few retain a considerable amount of freedom.

[Anonymous No.15848270]

>>15847789
This desu

[Anonymous No.15848271]

>>15848268
no but I correctly predicted your retarded behavior.
you both accused me of believing in some god and being a NPC at the same time.
this is the retarded dissonance I'm trying to stay out of. and it's not like any free will having piece of shit has any intellectual integrity, ever.

[Anonymous No.15848281]

>>15848271
>religious people can't be npcs
Oh, that's adorable. You're' so cute. Why is that a no on the lottery numbers? I can use some objective millions of dollars. Don't you want to be a good little slave to your lord?
>muh intellectual integrity
Intellectual integrity starts with humility and the courage to question and disagree. Clearly not for you, because your book has all the answers you'll need and you have faith in that objective reality.

[Anonymous No.15848289]

>>15848281
you are mentally deranged and you're forcing the rest of the world to entertain your bullshit instead of you solving it yourself.

[Anonymous No.15848294]

>>15848289
And you're a braindead husk embracing ignorance while walking off a cliff. It is what it is.
> forcing
What no free will to stop replying, slave?

[Anonymous No.15848300]

>>15848294
>slave
that's projection dude, and one of shits I avoid as I stated earlier.

[Anonymous No.15848302]

>>15848300
There it is. Watch how it's done, slave.

[Anonymous No.15848306]

>>15847771

i have free will in my mind. i can imagine i can do anything.

[Anonymous No.15848308]

>>15848302
>Watch how it's done
yes it's clear to absolutely everybody, you projecting.

[Anonymous No.15848961]

>>15847779
prove that you could have done otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15848968]

>>15848961
statistics and true randomness. else you're implying the past is the only way it could have worked out, which has the "funny" side-effect of retroactively removing blame from shitty stuff because "hey, it was the only way we could get here". seems weak. and it is.

[Anonymous No.15848973]

>>15848968
you haven't provided proof.

[Anonymous No.15848975]

>>15847771
>implying the universe is deterministic down to the basic particles
Obviously our souls are in a different dimension and they affect the particles that comprise our brain.
>but what about that universe
It's souls all the way down.

[Anonymous No.15848981]

>>15848973
as long as you can't prove you can guess every answer of a true random number generator than you need to provide proof it couldn't have worked any other way.

[Anonymous No.15848990]

>>15848981
so we're in a bit of a deadlock then.

[Anonymous No.15848997]

>>15848990
well we DO see it's random. it kinda is if you can't prove otherwise. we even use it. you can't just ignore it.
>yeah bruh but maybe your CPU is not a CPU

[Anonymous No.15849001]

>>15848997
>well we DO see it's random
no, we don't. it's impossible to observe possibility.

[Anonymous No.15849004]

>>15849001
you can in time

[Anonymous No.15849010]

>>15849004
what are you talking about.

it doesn't even matter though, you can't afford to disagree with the FACT that it's impossible to test whether things could have been different/could be different (multiple options in the future). that's the bottom line. ergo, a deadlock.

[Anonymous No.15849024]

>>15847789
Wrong. But determinism is.

[Anonymous No.15849066]

>>15849024
determinism: the idea that no event in the universe could have unfolded any differently.

seems like a pretty coherent definition to me?

[Anonymous No.15849076]

>>15847771
Lol determinism might be real but it feels like we have free will, therefore we may as well. There, thread over.

[Anonymous No.15849109]

>>15848973
Do not get ahead of yourself. You made a claim, it's on YOU to prove it.
picrel

[Anonymous No.15849113]

>>15849109
we both have to prove something.

[Anonymous No.15849119]

>>15849113
what do you think about free will?

[Anonymous No.15849126]

>>15849119
i don't believe it exists.

[Anonymous No.15849132]

>>15849126
Alright, i will explain it from my perspective.
The short answer is : "free will", as people describe it, is a spook.
The long answer is :
Free will, as commonly construed, appears as an artifice affixed by social standards and systems of thought -a spook. In my philosophy, universal free will finds no footing; instead, it yields to the singular volition of each soul. I repudiate external ethical fetters and champion the embracement of one's yearnings and inclinations to unearth genuine liberty. Free will, in my perspective, denotes acknowledgment of your dominion and deeds directed by your self-serving self. It disdains acquiescence to external apparitions, allowing the boundless potential of personal desires and inclinations to take the helm, thus casting you as the maestro of your own destiny.

[Anonymous No.15849500]

>>15849076
No, it feels like your body and the logistics of reality limits your will and ability.

[Anonymous No.15849535]

>>15848130
Fuckoff california twink, i watched your gay video and there's nothing indicating any inkling of free will. The fag doesn't even understand what free will is and contrasts it to a buzzword he coined as free won't.