/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15836358]

China reuses a rocket edition

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[Anonymous No.15836366]

first for gold plated mirror

[Anonymous No.15836377]

Second for gold plated everything

[Anonymous No.15836380]

lets fucking go!

[Anonymous No.15836381]

>>15836172
I wonder what thought process drove them to such statements.

[Anonymous No.15836385]

>>15836381
Common sense.

[Anonymous No.15836387]

>>15836377
I hope this golden asteroid gently lands on Earth

[Anonymous No.15836388]

>>15836381
nothing ever happens

[Anonymous No.15836395]

>>15836380
>>15835474
>those sandals and bare legs

[Anonymous No.15836409]

>>15836358
Cancel MSR

[Anonymous No.15836414]

>>15836409
and channel its funds into other missions

[Anonymous No.15836416]

>>15836409
Looks like a minature model

[Anonymous No.15836430]

>>15836298
starship renamed to plover 33 when?

[Anonymous No.15836445]

>>15836430
renamed as of now as far as im concerned.

[Anonymous No.15836446]

>2024
>humans still haven't gone further than the moon
what went wrong??

[Anonymous No.15836452]

>>15836446
The soviet union collapsed under the immense weight of russian dysgenics.

[Anonymous No.15836456]

>>15836452
>russian dysgenics.
Can you tell me more about this? If anything Americans would be more affected by dysgenics

[Anonymous No.15836475]

>>15836446
Number 1 reason: ICBMs became fuelled by solids, so research into high performance liquid rocket engines and vehicles flatlined. RS-25 was the last major innovation in US engine design until the 2000s.
Since solids dont have the specific impulse to make practical orbital rockets, we got stuck with the vehicles which had been developed prior to solid adoption. Thats why all the workhorse US launch vehicles until SpaceX are based on designs from the 60's. Since there is no point recovering missiles, the workhorse rockets were not reusable, which doomed prospects of an orbital economy. Also the existing rockets were all too small since they were designed to lob warheads across the planet, not loft people and cargo to other worlds. Then if that wasnt bad enough the one attempt at a bespoke and partially reusable orbital launch vehicle (Shuttle) ended in failure due to a whole host of reasons. Primarily the fact that NASA knew early on it was a death trap so needed detailed and time consuming examinations and part replacements after each flight which killed cadence and any chance of it being a high mass to orbit system

[Anonymous No.15836482]

>>15836456
How so? Most Americans have little or no slavic ancestry.

[Anonymous No.15836501]

Can someone explain why SpaceX never went through with the Dragon2 propulsive landings? I can understand why they wouldn't do it with crew, but surely it would be useful when returning from a cargo mission to the ISS

[Anonymous No.15836503]

>>15836501
Short answer: NASA didn’t want to do it, and SX wasn’t about to drop a ton of r&d money on it for no reason

[Anonymous No.15836504]

>>15836482
What does that have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.15836538]

there is a new /sci/ wiki btw, check the sticky

[Anonymous No.15836541]

>>15836538
kys.

[Anonymous No.15836551]

how long do we still go up before we retrace back down a bit?? the overall trend is up which is good but how long until we see the bears take over?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15836555]

>>15836551
>that visible shittle gap

[Anonymous No.15836559]

>>15836551
You mean Russians? They're unlikely to take over, they're doing worse than China.

[Anonymous No.15836562]

>>15836555
shuttle ruined an entire generation of men
imagine being born in the 70s and having to watch shuttle go to LEO a few times a year during your entire childhood and prime adult years
and with zero future prospects of developing deep space vehicles and engines
feel bad for them

[Anonymous No.15836565]

>>15836559
bears in terms of finance lol, bears start selling at all time high to bring the market down.

[Anonymous No.15836567]

>>15836551
Never. We are entering the space age. That chart will go hyperbolic for a century.

[Anonymous No.15836572]

>>15836562
I feel especially bad for Zubrin. He has come to peace with the fact that even if we go to Mars he wont live to be there. It breaks my ehart a little bit.

[Anonymous No.15836573]

>>15836567
If we don't do it this generation then we'll never do it. The people who took us to space are now a minority in their own countries, and the people replacing them lack the will or intellect to continue.

[Anonymous No.15836575]

>>15836377
do craters block a significant amount of radiation

[Anonymous No.15836580]

>>15836573
True. This is a prime reason why Elon wants to do it too. Humanity needs a new speciation event or we will collapse under dysgenics very soon. I am optimistic that if Musk lives a long life he will make it happen and will go down as the greatest human who has ever lived.

[Anonymous No.15836586]

>Stern, who applied for NASA's professional astronaut corps six times but never made the cut, used Thursday's flight as a training run before he flies again next year on a research mission funded by NASA's Flight Opportunities program.
>Despite never flying in space until Thursday, Stern's career has taken him aboard fighter jets to perform astronomical research, to the South Pole, and even to the depths of the Atlantic Ocean to visit the wreck of the Titanic. Stern dived last year to the Titanic wreckage on the same OceanGate submersible that imploded on an expedition in June, killing all five inside.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/after-leading-nasas-mission-to-pluto-alan-stern-flies-to-space-himself/

damn...

[Anonymous No.15836591]

>>15836586
and this too
>Some assessments have shown the cost of doing research on a suborbital human spaceflight vehicle, like the ones flown by Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin, is about one-tenth the cost of flying a fully automated science payload on a conventional suborbital sounding rocket.

[Anonymous No.15836599]

i hope that medicines arediscovered which require long duration zero g to manufacture. that would build a path to orbital industry

[Anonymous No.15836603]

>>15836573
>>15836580
I really hope what this current generation is going through is just a technological-adolescent faze for humanity and future generations won't be as retarded
doesn't help when millennial parents are giving these kids tablets with gigabit internet instead of lego and other toys to play with or to go outside and ride a bike/kick a ball lol

[Anonymous No.15836605]

>>15836377
I was looking at degrees in geology and planetary science and astronomy.

[Anonymous No.15836613]

>>15836501
Hydrazine exhaust: don't breathe this

[Anonymous No.15836617]

>>15836603
When the majority of children in most spacefaring countries don't belong to the nation's founding stock, how do you expect them to recover?

[Anonymous No.15836620]

>>15836575
From the sides I guess, presuming you're at the center of one.

[Anonymous No.15836624]

>>15836613
so the reason is because the exhaust is toxic?

[Anonymous No.15836629]

>>15836624
No, but I can imagine it was a huge factor. Soyuz and Shenzhou both use dial-a-rocket packs of solid rocket motors so they're not much better though.

[Anonymous No.15836632]

>>15836573
True, but IQ shredders are affecting populations across the board. Let's not act as if this is unique to any one group, and I say this as one of the most ethnic conscious people there is. The exponential growth of Jamals, and Josés are bad, but so is Cletuses. All groups are becoming dysgenic, just some are faster than others.

>>15836580
According the the Great Man analysis of history it's possible. We need another Caesar or Napoleon now more than ever. I hope Elon can do it. I want Elon to do it. He can just come off as so..... I don't know..... reddit sometimes.

[Anonymous No.15836673]

>>15836620
that's the idea, finding the craters with high depth to diameter ratios as a form of radiation shielding

[Anonymous No.15836676]

>>15836632
He's very reddit in terms of humour, that's for certain. His humour reminds me of myself when I was around 12 years old and found every shit meme hilarious. I get the impression it's some kind of lost childhood thing he's got similar to Michael Jackson. God willing Musk does not suffer from deteriorating health in his 50's like Hitler, he must live with a sharp mind for 3 more decades at least.

[Anonymous No.15836686]

>>15836676
>His humour reminds me of myself when I was around 12 years old and found every shit meme hilarious
You're literally a jaded old man. If you're already like that you ought to just kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15836687]

>>15836676
It's most probably due to him being somewhere on the spectrum

[Anonymous No.15836691]

>>15836573
>If we don't do it this generation then we'll never do it
then we'll never do it. We're at least a couple centuries from any space colonies being self sufficient

[Anonymous No.15836694]

>>15836691
can we at least build 1 space motel
pleaaaase

[Anonymous No.15836695]

>>15836694
I fuck your mom in the earth motel already.

[Anonymous No.15836704]

>>15836695
god that's hot, love her

[Anonymous No.15836706]

>>15836673
Not a bad idea, it saves the step of having to dig a hole.

[Anonymous No.15836716]

>>15836482
kek

[Anonymous No.15836721]

>>15836686
lol, my reaction was just the opposite
laughing at memes at the age of 12?
this kid is barely in his twenties

t. jaded old man

[Anonymous No.15836775]

so why aren't you making a rocket anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6AZ1-msoyA

[Anonymous No.15836778]

>>15836381
thinking with analogies and what people have been doing until now instead of from first principles
generally it works and few people can actually think using first principles
basically physics/engineering but looking at your assumptions closely, are the common sense conclusions actually warranted? where did they come from and how?
from time to time some prerequisite tech has become cheap enough or is close enough to be made cheap enough that you can make "impossible" things happen

[Anonymous No.15836790]

>>15836380
What is that, F-cup?

[Anonymous No.15836796]

>>15836775
I used a cardboard tube from some aluminum foil to make a model rocket, carved the fins off a hunk of cardboard and flew it this summer right into lake superior.

[Anonymous No.15836803]

>>15836775
but I am

[Anonymous No.15836805]

>>15836775
Im making one in my pants!

[Anonymous No.15836813]

>>15836805
proof?

[Anonymous No.15836814]

>>15836803
>solid
doesn't count unless you are making it guided
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvcDwSmmxWs
>FAA says hello

[Anonymous No.15836816]

>>15836813

[Anonymous No.15836818]

>>15836803
>reloadable
How's that work, you just pack powder propellent back into it or what?

[Anonymous No.15836824]

>>15836818
That's just an aluminum pressure vessel. you buy cardboard/phenolic ablative tubes full of pre cast ammonium perclorate propelant that slide in and do the burning. pic rel
the alternative is a fiberglass pressure vessel that comes pre filled and you throw away after it flys.

[Anonymous No.15836827]

>>15836816
>pointed
shoes
ohnononoooooo

[Anonymous No.15836842]

RIP

[Anonymous No.15836843]

>>15836816
i can't see it anon

[Anonymous No.15836846]

>>15836790
not even close, it's just a good angle

[Anonymous No.15836848]

>>15836816
>purple atmosphere
what planet are you on?

[Anonymous No.15836852]

>>15836843
maybe it's in early development

[Anonymous No.15836866]

>>15835793

despite the generic name of the video, its about the staging of Starship and how its different from how rockets do it usually

[Anonymous No.15836876]

>>15836866

[Anonymous No.15836895]

>>15836377
Uhm sweetie, we have damaged our planet so much. we should leave the asteroids alone. It might even hit the earth and kill us all. Conservation is key for humanity's future so we should leave well alone. #moremoneyforminorities

[Anonymous No.15836901]

How can I into model rockets? Do I just buy a pack from the store and light it up in the park? KSP seems more fun.

[Anonymous No.15836906]

>>15836901
No retard go search up Tripoli Rocket Association you cant get better rocket motors unless you have the correct license so work your way up the ranks.

[Anonymous No.15836910]

>>15836901
just make your own motors
the cucks won't let you buy the good ones unless you spend a decade getting the license
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVPgnLbguI
also just get into fpv drones instead, nearly as fast but you fly for longer and cheaper

[Anonymous No.15836923]

>>15836910
compare these three
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8DkZqQ8yHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WwtByvSI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfUrUc6JtHw

[Anonymous No.15836928]

>>15836906
>>15836910
>muh loisence
Even in amateur rocketry, you're still cucked by licensing.

[Anonymous No.15836932]

>>15836928
So whats the difference between an RPG and a model rocket with explosives inside.

[Anonymous No.15836936]

>>15836932
nothing

[Anonymous No.15836971]

>>15836876
They should update these figures for the 17.8 metric tons we've seen them fly reusable.

[Anonymous No.15837083]

>>15836932
I love role playing games! Which one is your favorite?

[Anonymous No.15837120]

>starlink is cashflow positive
The initial 12,000-sat planned constellation hasn't even been finished and it's already at this point.
Starlink is going to be the biggest telecom company in the world before you know it.

[Anonymous No.15837126]

>>15836906
>you cant get better rocket motors unless you have the correct license
Fuck directly off, TRA shill.

[Anonymous No.15837132]

>>15836846
cars have race queens
what are rocket chicks called?

[Anonymous No.15837146]

>>15836673
well if you're on flat ground 50% of space radiation is blocked, if you're in a deep crater that might go to 70%. Not enough imo

[Anonymous No.15837147]

>>15837120
some of these companies have hundreds of billions in revenue a year and hundreds of millions of subscribers. its going to be a hard fight to that level.

[Anonymous No.15837149]

>>15836632
>We need another Caesar or Napoleon now more than ever.
or that other super controversial man. What was his name again. Alexandre the great

[Anonymous No.15837152]

>>15837120
For cities and urban areas fiber connection will always be cheaper

[Anonymous No.15837182]

>>15837083
Try lagrange point, the famicom RPG that takes place on an O'Neill cylinder, with some zero-g sections on the asteroid '4 Vesta'

[Anonymous No.15837209]

>>15837152
There are LOTS of borderline rural-suburban areas with cocksucker monopolies that people hate sooooo fucking much they will do anything give them the finger. Starlink is not even close to approaching peak rural market penetration anyway. I live in bumfuck, bumfuck and maybe only 10% of my neighbours are on it. The ones that aren't on starlink aren't because they are all retarded boomers who have no idea what is going on outside of muh sportsball fox cnn news updates and just get raped by the local 4g telco monopoly that crawls at peaks hours and makes them spew rage when the sportsball buffers. In my experience when they find out about starlink and try it out at their recently converted boomer friends house, it's 100% successful conversion rate because they also hate their shitty telco monopoly. Then there are the cruise liners, every commercial vessel, every airplane and all the military vessels and planes once the defense contract jew terms are worked out, all those connections pay massively more than Hick McHick in bumfucksville. I doubt starlink has reached even 10-20% of its potential income. Straight fucking money.

[Anonymous No.15837218]

>>15837209
almost every telecom company should be sued and convicted of fraud. That being said Starlink may also suffer from bad performance during peak demand. That's just how it is. They have to spread the fixed megabytes/s among more users and that's it. But I'm glad you rural people get good internet fuck the city

[Anonymous No.15837238]

>>15836358
>The total number of deaths from hydropower accidents from 1965 to 2021 was approximately 176,000. 171,000 of these deaths were from the Banqian Dam Failure in China in 1975.

[Anonymous No.15837243]

>>15837238
Ok sure, now how many people has McDonalds killed from 1965-2021? I think we can 10x the chink dam failure at the absolute minimum.

[Anonymous No.15837245]

>>15837243
a bit of a false equivalence I would say

[Anonymous No.15837253]

>>15837245
Not really, both are essential things for human existence. Power and food. Imagine defending McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.15837258]

wtf, didn't they stack it 2 days ago?

[Anonymous No.15837271]

This stunning aerial image shows the hills and mountains surrounding ESO’s Paranal Observatory in Chile. From above, the sharp, rocky details of the arid landscape melt away, giving way to textures more akin to softly rippling fabric. The cluster of buildings in the top right of the frame contains both the observatory’s basecamp and the Residencia, where the staff and visitors to Paranal can seek refuge from the harsh desert conditions. The solitary buildings to the left of the main observatory complex house the VISTA survey telescope.

[Anonymous No.15837277]

>>15837271

[Anonymous No.15837278]

>>15837271
>From above, the sharp, rocky details of the arid landscape melt away, giving way to textures more akin to softly rippling fabric

[Anonymous No.15837282]

>>15837271
Man I'd love to chill out at some remote-ass astronomy installation.

[Anonymous No.15837302]

>>15837282
Yeah I'm sure you'd enjoy hanging out at a remote ass-installation.

[Anonymous No.15837312]

>>15837282
Same. That job sounds super chill and relaxing.

[Anonymous No.15837313]

>>15837152
australia alone is a potential mutli million subscriber market. Even in cities. More wealthy turdies are also struggling with any real fiber connection due to local ingrained corruption alone

[Anonymous No.15837327]

why can't internet connection be a government controlled monopoly like electricity and water?

[Anonymous No.15837358]

>>15837327
Nestle is doing everything it can to undo that.

[Anonymous No.15837368]

>>15837358
Ok reddit

[Anonymous No.15837369]

>>15836573
Don't worry, dysgenics is eroding white's capabilities to into space also. IQ is dropping anywhere from 1-2 points/decade. That gives less than 300 years before we reach africa-teir IQ.

On the bright side, civilization will collapse and cause these dysgenic selection pressures to fall with it. Intelligence (and other traits) will be selected for again. Eventually civilization will rise and we'll start again, but with a few extra scraps of technology left over from these times. We'll use that a springboard to get even more tech next time.

[Anonymous No.15837372]

virgin needs to ramp up these flights. they've got a massive backlog to work through. it would take them the better part of a year even if they were launching every single day.

[Anonymous No.15837376]

>>15837258
They have dtacked and destacked it for like every other day for weeks now

[Anonymous No.15837382]

>>15837376
are they getting faster at it?

[Anonymous No.15837393]

>>15837376
nsf said this is the final time

[Anonymous No.15837418]

>>15837376
two more destacks (each taking roughly 7 days)

[Anonymous No.15837441]

>>15837372
Reminder that Elon has a ticket to fly on it as well.

[Anonymous No.15837444]

>>15837441
feet pics

[Anonymous No.15837445]

>>15837327
What you really meant to say is why can't the internet be controlled by a municipality like water and electricity sometimes is.

The answer is many states have laws blocking municipal ran ISPs. Deemed as "unfair competition."

[Anonymous No.15837462]

>>15837327
Internet is a gateway to different opinions and dissent. It's more comparable to TV, radio, mass media rather than utilities.

[Anonymous No.15837465]

>>15837441
future prediction: elon dies on virgin galactic plane crash.

[Anonymous No.15837475]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/daily-telescope-pulling-the-veil-back-on-a-stunning-nebula/

[Anonymous No.15837479]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/daily-telescope-lucy-finds-not-one-but-two-diamonds-in-the-sky/

Lucy pic
> This image shows the “moonrise” of the satellite as it emerges from behind asteroid Dinkinesh as seen by the Lucy Long-Range
> This flyby was not so much about the science but rather proving the capability of the spacecraft to point its instruments and take data while whizzing by an asteroid. In this case, Lucy zoomed by Dinkinesh at a speed of 10,000 mph (4,470 meters per second). And, as can be seen from the first images returned by Lucy, the spacecraft succeeded.
> "We knew this was going to be the smallest main-belt asteroid ever seen up close," said Keith Noll, Lucy project scientist from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center. "The fact that it is two makes it even more exciting. In some ways these asteroids look similar to the near-Earth asteroid binary Didymos and Dimorphos that DART saw, but there are some really interesting differences that we will be investigating."

[Anonymous No.15837490]

Rocket Report: ICBM test aborted after “anomaly”; FAA wraps Starship safety review
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/rocket-report-chinese-firm-lands-rocket-vertically-vulcan-delays-cost-ula/

Small Rockets
> Chinese company tests vertical landing
> Isar will make its debut launch from Norway.
> Phantom Space signs satellite deal.
> Minuteman III test terminated due to anomaly
> Spaceplane startup continues testing.

Medium Rockets
> Dream Chaser getting closer to launch.
> Chinese firm seeks to build a Falcon 9 clone.

Heavy Rockets
> New rocket delays cost ULA in military contract
> FAA wraps up safety evaluation of Starship. .
> Vulcan's first payload arrives in Florida.

[Anonymous No.15837493]

Minuteman III test provides vital data before termination, Senate Passes Orbital Debris Legislation
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https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3575636/minuteman-iii-test-provides-vital-data-before-termination/
> Space Launch Delta 30 safely terminated an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile over the Pacific Ocean at 12:06 a.m. Pacific Time Nov. 1, due to an anomaly during a test launch from Vandenberg Space Force Base, California.
> An anomaly is any unexpected event during the test. Since anomalies may arise from many factors relating to the operational platform itself, or the test equipment, careful analysis is needed to identify the cause.
>A Launch Analysis Group is forming to investigate the cause.
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https://payloadspace.com/senate-passes-orbital-debris-legislation/
> The Senate unanimously approved a bill on Tuesday to encourage government investment in tech to clean up space.
>The legislation now heads to the House, where its path forward is unclear.
> The details: The Orbital Sustainability (ORBITS) Act would take several steps to prioritize the removal of dangerous debris from orbit, including:
> Requiring the Commerce Department to publish a list of the most threatening debris for spacecraft
> Launching a government-wide update to orbital debris standards
> Establishing a program at NASA to demo active debris removal tech
> Developing better space traffic management procedures to avoid debris-creating collisions

[Anonymous No.15837495]

>>15837493
Stop posting this chink spam. nothing went wrong.

[Anonymous No.15837499]

China’s iSpace launches and lands rocket test stage (OP pic)
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https://spacenews.com/chinas-ispace-launches-and-lands-rocket-test-stage/
> HELSINKI — A Chinese commercial rocket company has successfully launched and safely landed a test article on its path to developing a reusable launch vehicle.
> Beijing Interstellar Glory Space Technology Ltd., also known as iSpace, launched the Hyperbola-2Y single-stage hopper at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center Nov. 2.
> The Hyperbola-2 methane-liquid oxygen reusable verification stage rose to a height of 178 meters during its 51-second flight. It performed a powered descent and soft landing, supported by four landing legs. The 3.35-meter-diameter, 17m-long test stage is powered by a variable thrust Focus-1 engine.
> The vertical takeoff, vertical landing test marks progress towards a reusable medium-lift rocket to debut in 2025. It is also the latest marker in Chinese efforts to emulate the success of SpaceX and its Falcon 9 rocket.
> The successful hop test “marks a major breakthrough in China’s commercial aerospace industry in reusable launch vehicle technology. It also signals the charge for China’s aerospace sector to catch up with the world’s most advanced levels in reusable launch vehicle technology” an iSpace statement read.
> iSpace is not the only Chinese company working on reusable rockets. Galactic Energy recently performed a hop test with a jet engine-powered article. CAS Space, a spin-off from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, has likewise conducted such tests to verify algorithms. Deep Blue Aerospace completed a successful kilometer-level rocket launch and landing test in 2022.
> Another competitor, Space Pioneer, is planning to launch its Tianlong-3 rocket in the first half of 2024. The rocket will be comparable to Falcon 9 in launch capability and eventually to be made reusable. Landspace’s methalox Zhuque-2 is also expected to be converted for reusability.

[Anonymous No.15837501]

>>15837499
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1719986598291365920?

[Anonymous No.15837503]

>>15837501
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1720029385711849621

[Anonymous No.15837507]

China’s Space Pioneer raise funding for its Falcon 9-class rocket,
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https://spacenews.com/chinas-space-pioneer-raise-funding-for-its-falcon-9-class-rocket/
> HELSINKI — Chinese commercial launch firm Space Pioneer has announced a new round of funding for development of the Tianlong-3 rocket comparable to the SpaceX Falcon 9.
> Space Pioneer—full name Beijing Tianbing Technology Co., Ltd—announced the “C+” funding round worth “several hundred millions yuan,” Oct. 25 (100 million yuan = $13.7 million). This 12th round of funding will go towards completing the Tianlong-3 rocket which is to be capable of lifting 17 tons to low Earth orbit (LEO), according to a company press statement.
> The funds will also be used for production of the smaller Tianlong-2, which had a successful inaugural flight in April this year. That launch made the company the first Chinese commercial firm to reach orbit with a liquid propellant rocket.
> Tianlong-3 (“Sky Dragon-3”) is a two-stage kerosene-liquid oxygen rocket with a reusable first stage. The 71-meter-long rocket will have a diameter of 3.8 meters. It will have a takeoff mass of 590 tons and produce 770 tons of thrust.
> Tianlong-3 is by far the largest commercial rocket close to launch in China. It would also be nationally second only to the expendable Long March 5B (25 tons) terms of capacity to LEO.
> China is planning to construct its “Guowang” LEO communications megaconstellation of 13,000 satellites. Commercial firms are apparently able to participate in the national project. Tianlong-3 could potentially provide high-density, high-capacity launch capabilities that China currently lacks.

[Anonymous No.15837515]

NASA open to extending ISS beyond 2030, Space Force takes over missile-warning ground stations previously run by the Army
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-open-to-extending-iss-beyond-2030/
> WASHINGTON — A NASA official opened the door to keeping the International Space Station in operation beyond 2030 if commercial space stations are not yet ready to take over by the end of the decade.
> Speaking at the Beyond Earth Symposium here Nov. 2, Ken Bowersox, NASA associate administrator for space operations, said it was “not mandatory” to retire the ISS as currently planned at the end of the decade depending on the progress companies are making on commercial stations.
> “The timeline is flexible,” he said of that transition from the ISS to commercial stations. “It’s not mandatory that we stop flying the ISS in 2030. But, it is our full intention to switch to new platforms when they’re available.”
> NASA has been supporting the development of commercial stations, which the agency calls commercial low Earth orbit destinations, or CLDs, with the goal of having one or more such stations in orbit and certified for use by NASA astronauts by the late 2020s. That would enable a transition from the ISS to the commercial facilities by 2030, followed by deorbiting the ISS.
> NASA’s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel, at its Oct. 26 public meeting, also expressed concerns about the ISS transition. It cited a “very tight” timeline for developing commercial stations and uncertainties about their business cases that is “creating programmatic and safety risks with the entire plan for NASA LEO,” in the words of panel member David West.
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https://spacenews.com/space-force-takes-over-missile-warning-ground-stations-previously-run-by-the-army/
> The transfer is part of a larger effort to consolidate military satellites operations under the Space Force.

[Anonymous No.15837530]

>>15837507
its natural to get mad at chinks for being copy cats, but its a great motivator for SpaceX to keep innovating. god forbid Elon dies in a Tesla battery fire and then SpaceX becomes just another stagnant grift company. The prospect of chinks invading their market and undercutting them is a good incentive to make Starship, and then ultimately to make an even larger when the chinks copy starship

[Anonymous No.15837534]

>>15837530
I hope some other western companies get their shit together so it isnt just SpaceX + 5 chinese companies launching shit

[Anonymous No.15837541]

>>15837534
Unfortunately I severely doubt it. SpaceX has a monopoly on non military payloads in the west and chink companies can start up because they bid for 'commercial' payloads in China which SpaceX cant compete for. Who knows, BO may step up, but it will probably require decades and a massive expansion of the total launch market for competition to rival SpaceX

[Anonymous No.15837542]

https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1720114969302458710

[Anonymous No.15837548]

>>15837515
Wait did nasa actually learn something from when they got rid of their manned space flight capability before anything was ready to replace it?
>>15837541
>BO may step up
I think the only way this happens is if they suddenly revealed all their stuff is actually real and ready to flight tomorrow, otherwise they're just gonna keep dragging things out until Bezos pulls the plug or dies.

[Anonymous No.15837551]

>>15837542
so they pull in 200 million a year from starlink. Thats not enough to cover 5 falcon launches let alone the parallel development of a superheavy rocket. Where does the remaining capital come from?

[Anonymous No.15837560]

>>15837541
China should liberalize it's launch market and let foreign(American) companies compete for contracts

[Anonymous No.15837562]

>>15837542
Elon orbiters are the worst scum of this Earth. I say this as a 1

[Anonymous No.15837570]

>>15837560
Why?

[Anonymous No.15837573]

>>15837551
where do you get that 200 million number?
Just assuming 50 dollars mean subscription cost, the yearly revenue is 2 mil users * 12 months * 50 $/month = 1200 million
but entities like airliners, ships pay a lot more than 50 dollars per month oil/gas drilling rigs, businesses pay much more than 50 a month, even commercial users pay much more than 50 dollars a month in the US, which is probably most of the subscribers at this point
you would have to assume like $8.33 per subscriber per month to get 200 mil, that is extremely low (200mil / (12*2mil))

[Anonymous No.15837575]

>>15837560
no. we should hold hands with china and peacefully cooperate on a global UN rocket. The deadline for launch is 2050 or 60 and the rocket shouls be preferably but not required reusable and 10X bigger than starship. The Saviour ship. This could be the last rocket we ever need, and it was only possible through international cooperation with the Powerful China

[Anonymous No.15837577]

>>15837551
Ignore that faggot chink retard. he's a total midwit

[Anonymous No.15837583]

>>15837551
SpaceX was also profitable as a whole in Q1 of 2023, that was with the drag of Starship and still unprofitable Starlink
if Starlink is cash flow positive and profitable by itself soon, then SpaceX as a whole is going to be fine
where do they get the money? from launching fucking rockets

[Anonymous No.15837585]

>>15837542

[Anonymous No.15837591]

[Anonymous No.15837598]

>>15837551
google some revenue numbers and apparently the 200 is from 2021 or something?
did you get this info from a thunderfoot video or something?

[Anonymous No.15837603]

>>15837598
so 2021 was about 200mil
2022 was about 1.4 billion
2023, who knows, starlink had 1 million subscribers by the end of 2022 but that revenue number is from the whole year and obviously they had much fewer subsribers at the start of the year
Starlink revenue for 2023 could be something like 3-4 bil

[Anonymous No.15837612]

>>15837591
>What mass autism does to a motherfucker

[Anonymous No.15837614]

>>15837591
>>15837612
When was the pic taken btw?

[Anonymous No.15837623]

>>15837132
>what are rocket chicks called?
Thrust Queens

[Anonymous No.15837626]

>>15837573
>>15837551
>>15837603
I think the 200 mil number came from the leaked report on SpaceX finances, which gave a quarterly profit of 55 million in the first quarter of this year, so they just multiplied that by the four quarters in a year. What's interesting is that Starlink's break even is in the fourth quarter, meaning that SpaceX actually made the profit from their rocket launches and government contracts at the time, which suggests they have a very fat margin with falcon 9 launches considering the Starlink sat launches and Starship dev happening this year. SpaceX as a whole made 1.5 billion in revenue in Q1, so it makes around 6 billion in revenue yearly in 2023.
https://www.reuters.com/business/elon-musks-spacex-turns-profit-first-quarter-revenue-soars-wsj-2023-08-17/

[Anonymous No.15837633]

>>15837542
>spacex is cash flow positive
the news is about starlink. why should i read the rest of the post if the guy cant even get the topic right?

[Anonymous No.15837634]

>>15837534
No, it's impossible. That faggot Nixon ruined everything.

[Anonymous No.15837637]

>>15836358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gpKZizceyA

[Anonymous No.15837638]

>>15836895
Don't post this kind of faggotry at me, please.

[Anonymous No.15837639]

>>15837633
don't read it then faggot

[Anonymous No.15837644]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1720439738144797124

[Anonymous No.15837645]

>>15837644
> benis :D

[Anonymous No.15837647]

>>15837633
Why wouldn't it be a big deal for SpaceX? Did he say that SpaceX is cash flow positive? No.

[Anonymous No.15837651]

>>15837647
yes he did, its literally the first few words in the xeet and its the whole topic of the first two sentences.

[Anonymous No.15837655]

>>15837644
:D

[Anonymous No.15837658]

>>15837626
I do wonder what the profits are just based on falcon launches no including any Starship/starlink operations.

Must be mind numbingily high to sustain two major projects.

[Anonymous No.15837662]

>>15837282
There is a game called The Voices from the Void.

[Anonymous No.15837669]

Another day not leaving ball earth. Golem bros..

[Anonymous No.15837676]

>>15837669
We can play that great famicom RPG I mentioned earlier :)

[Anonymous No.15837682]

>>15837658
probably ~600million or maybe less depending on the actual operating costs of falcon. It's not high, which is the entire reaosn why Musk made the big gamble with Starlink.

[Anonymous No.15837688]

https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1720455188949991676
Firefly's new engine is on the stand

[Anonymous No.15837693]

horse tranquilizer

[Anonymous No.15837694]

>>15837676
I'm playing EVO Search for Eden. I just got to the dinosaur era, I'm gonna try evolving into a t-rex.
>>15837693
Yeah I'll take some

[Anonymous No.15837697]

>>15837694
>Yeah I'll take some
lol, same as Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.15837698]

>>15837697
Yeah

[Anonymous No.15837699]

>>15837688
why is there a duck

[Anonymous No.15837700]

>>15837698
WHY

[Anonymous No.15837701]

>>15837697
probably less harmful than SSRIs

[Anonymous No.15837704]

>>15836676
>>15836632

[Anonymous No.15837705]

>>15837700
why not?

[Anonymous No.15837706]

>>15837278
Pepe would never say or look like this though

[Anonymous No.15837707]

>>15837501
Sounds exaggerated.

[Anonymous No.15837709]

>>15837705
ket

[Anonymous No.15837710]

Now that Bezos is gonna be in the poor house, is Blue Origin going to dissolve and sold off for parts to ULA and other companies?

[Anonymous No.15837712]

>>15837591
>making the wheels on a trillion dollar rover out of a material with no fatigue limit
Why has nobody been arrested yet?

[Anonymous No.15837716]

>>15837700
Drugs are fun pussy, quit being a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.15837723]

>>15837716
Totally not addicted btw, YWNGTS

[Anonymous No.15837728]

>>15837710
Wait what do you mean

[Anonymous No.15837748]

>>15837704
Literally everything is funnier than current internet memes

[Anonymous No.15837753]

its already noon, is there really nothing happening today?

[Anonymous No.15837778]

>>15837753
two launches:
1. China launched a military sat on a CZ-7A just an hour ago.
2. yet another Starlink launch later this afternoon.

[Anonymous No.15837789]

>musk goes on joe "muh monkeys" rogan
>so i watch it
>talk about twitter and pizza's and fighting zuckerberg instead of spaceX.
that's 3 hours wasted, and seems like joe rogan is still as annoying as years ago when i stopped watching his podcasts.

[Anonymous No.15837795]

[Anonymous No.15837798]

we're less than 10 launches away from from 2023 having the most launches in a year

[Anonymous No.15837802]

>>15837798
thanks to NASA

[Anonymous No.15837805]

>>15837789
yep pretty information free podcast, mostly about random chitchat and X/free speech

[Anonymous No.15837807]

>>15837795
original audio? link it

[Anonymous No.15837826]

/sci/ plays in the 4cc today >>15837743
We're up against /a/ in a few minutes, as always Von Braun and Elon are on the team as midfielders

[Anonymous No.15837853]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/as-virgin-galactic-soars-blue-origins-new-shepard-remains-grounded/
>Of Blue Origin's approximately 11,000 employees, about 400 people spend part or all of their time working on New Shepard. That is a small fraction of the company's overall workforce, but factoring in salaries, benefits, and programmatic expenses, a reasonable estimate is that New Shepard costs Blue Origin about $100 million a year to maintain and operate.
>Prior to the accident, the program averaged a flight roughly every eight to 10 weeks. Even doubling that cadence, it is very unlikely that New Shepard would come close to being revenue-neutral. As one person familiar with the company's finances told Ars, "It's definitely a money loser. Always has been." Another person told Ars that New Shepard is "hemorrhaging" money.

[Anonymous No.15837864]

>>15837853
how is new shepard losing money but virgin is profitable?

[Anonymous No.15837870]

>>15837864
They're not. Their dumb investors are just giving them enough runway to develop a new vehicle that will definitely be profitable, dude trust us

[Anonymous No.15837877]

>>15837870
bullshit post the proof

[Anonymous No.15837880]

>>15837853
Shouldn't have made a hydrolox rocket for suborbital flights. What kind of retard thought it's a good idea?

[Anonymous No.15837881]

>>15837864
Corruption
Like with NASA, most of that money is flat out stolen, either directly or through contractors charging a 50000% markup because they have a friend on the budget board who will rubberstamp everything citing "aerospace grade :^)" in exchange for a cut of the money under the table

[Anonymous No.15837897]

>>15837877
https://investors.virgingalactic.com/news/news-details/2023/Virgin-Galactic-Announces-Second-Quarter-2023-Financial-Results-And-Provides-Business-Update/default.aspx
Last quarter (Q3 results coming next week)
>cash equivalents and marketable securities of $980 million as of June 30, 2023, a sequential increase of $106 million from the first quarter of 2023
>Revenue of $2 million, compared to $0.4 million in the second quarter of 2022
>Net loss of $134 million, compared to a $111 million net loss in the second quarter of 2022

[Anonymous No.15837901]

LMAOOO

[Anonymous No.15837903]

>>15837897
its time to ramp those flights up bransoooooooooon

[Anonymous No.15837904]

>>15837864
>but virgin is profitable
>>15837897
>Revenue of $2 million
>Net loss of $134 million
LMAOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.15837905]

hear me out...sub orbital space stations

[Anonymous No.15837908]

>>15837901
better get it back up beck.

[Anonymous No.15837909]

Virgin spaceplane is just too small. Should have made it at least as big as 737.

[Anonymous No.15837911]

>>15837905
jeff pls go

[Anonymous No.15837916]

>>15837905
Space Perspective

[Anonymous No.15837917]

>>15837905
pretty much the vomit comet innit?

[Anonymous No.15837919]

>>15837909
200 passengers x $500k = $100m revenue per flight
they'd be solvent in two flights

[Anonymous No.15837926]

>Kuria Usui collaborates with Professor Kuninaka, Director of the Space Research Institute

[Anonymous No.15837928]

>>15837901
haha OHNONONO

[Anonymous No.15837931]

>>15837826
I always forget about this and then laugh when you remind me every year lol

[Anonymous No.15837933]

>>15837926
he's vice president of JAXA too

[Anonymous No.15837938]

>>15837905
4ASS high-altitude platform station constellation
HAPS-C

[Anonymous No.15837946]

New 'toss
https://x.com/vast/status/1720498714907935208

[Anonymous No.15837948]

>>15837877
why would you think that's bullshit lol, it's common knowledge from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.15837953]

>>15837946
speen

[Anonymous No.15837961]

>>15837946
Where is amogus?

[Anonymous No.15837975]

>>15837728
FTC is suing Amazon for being a monopoly and part of the redacted filing leaked and it's hilariously damning. If this becomes an antitrust situation, Amazon is literally fucked.

[Anonymous No.15837981]

>>15837975
Ohhhh oh yeah. Okay a) I doubt it has any affect on kuiper, and b) I doubt they get bootyblasted. Is Amazon even that anticompetitive? They seem really niche to me—they’re on online shopping center who have simply expanded with their own delivery service/streaming platform. I don’t like BO or bezos but it’s not Amazon’s fault that no one else has tried to do something similar, right?

[Anonymous No.15837988]

>>15837981
https://twitter.com/stacyfmitchell/status/1720205058044747963

Read some of the excerpts. Half of these are on par with Microsoft's E3 strategy which is at least 50% of the reason why they got the anti-trust suit thrown at them in the first place, the other half of course being to bribe companies and fucking over Netscape. Some absolutely choice highlights in the there though.

[Anonymous No.15837991]

>>15837975
I love the government. Do this with SpaceX please

[Anonymous No.15837992]

>>15837880
spaz os hurd

[Anonymous No.15837995]

E2E is the only way virgin galactic will survive

[Anonymous No.15838001]

>>15837991
The absolute state of goyim. You need to vaxxmaxx to leave this planet dumbass. The mare boosters you get the farther you leave the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.15838010]

>>15838001
unironically this

[Anonymous No.15838016]

>>15838001
FrogGODS WON

[Anonymous No.15838018]

>>15837905
yes

[Anonymous No.15838025]

>>15838001
Based frogpost

[Anonymous No.15838039]

>>15837975
I don't really trust the FTC to be honest. The current commissioner gained prominence by arguing that big tech companies should be broken up even if they don't engage in anti-competitive practices or harm consumer welfare. Amazon was probably doing some shady shit but realistically they'll just settle and pay a few billion dollars to get the government to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15838041]

>>15838039
>arguing that big tech companies should be broken up even if they don't engage in anti-competitive practices or harm consumer welfare.
BASED

[Anonymous No.15838049]

>>15838039
dangerously based, but you are right to never trust the government on anything
People are temporary, politics and backdoor factionalism is forever

[Anonymous No.15838052]

>>15838041
I, too, like living life as a medieval serf with zero technological or societal progression past small businesses. Any complicated business should just be left to the government! SLS is already flight-proven, while the private Starshit is rusting away on the pad, after all

[Anonymous No.15838056]

15838052

[Anonymous No.15838062]

big tech monopolies are obviously constantly engaged in anticompetitive behavior, but the government doesn't do anything because breaking them up would just invite foreign (ie Chinese) competitors to come in and start flowing tech money out of the country.

[Anonymous No.15838065]

>>15838052
unironically this

[Anonymous No.15838072]

>>15838062
They should start a timer to see if they should be chopped up. Musk has continued to create more successful branches in his business empire. It's in the public interest to let him keep going for now. Google for example has stagnated to rent seeking long ago and should be chopped up.

[Anonymous No.15838094]

>>15838041
Define “big tech”

[Anonymous No.15838101]

what if it happened toda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

[Anonymous No.15838102]

>>15838101

[Anonymous No.15838103]

>The second flight test of a fully integrated Starship could launch as soon as mid-November
>two weeks

[Anonymous No.15838106]

I'll personally molest every overfag
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1720523323212492904?t=NBC1Myeu4wjBKt9P5IZZ1w&s=19

[Anonymous No.15838110]

>>15838106
unironically two weeks

[Anonymous No.15838112]

I'm going to use PTO to go down and watch. Wonder if I can exploit my NASA badge to get a better view or something

[Anonymous No.15838115]

>>15838106
This is the first official two weeks post from SpaceX

[Anonymous No.15838117]

>>15838103
>>15838106
Mid-November is in 4 days.

[Anonymous No.15838122]

>>15838106
>pending regulatory approval
That could be either 2 weeks or 2 months away

[Anonymous No.15838125]

[Anonymous No.15838131]

>>15838125
Why does SH do a stupid loop

[Anonymous No.15838132]

>>15838131
How else is it gonna point the flamey end forwards to slow down?

[Anonymous No.15838133]

>>15838131
Nothing's to scale. The infographic is notionally indicating that the booster will flip and partially cancel out its horizontal velocity before landing in the water, without actually going all the way with boosting back towards the launch site.

[Anonymous No.15838134]

>>15838125
lol

[Anonymous No.15838139]

anyone have one of these but for ss?

[Anonymous No.15838143]

>>15838134

[Anonymous No.15838145]

>>15838143
post more of this semen demon

[Anonymous No.15838147]

>>15838117
mid november is november 23st

[Anonymous No.15838148]

>>15838106
>mid november
The goyim are finally leaving this planet. I'm so excited for you goys.

[Anonymous No.15838149]

>as soon as
>pending regulatory approval

[Anonymous No.15838157]

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/jeff-bezos-buys-68m-mansion-in-florida-neighborhood/

Bezos is showing signs of waking up from his senility

[Anonymous No.15838158]

>>15838139
make one yourself lazy fuck.

[Anonymous No.15838159]

>>15838147
mid november is november 17th, that one anon's birthday

[Anonymous No.15838167]

>>15838159
That's smack in the middle. You could argue that middle of the month is between 33% to 50% long. Early, mid, and late.

[Anonymous No.15838171]

>>15838159
Mid november is between the 7nd and the 23st, which in marketing speak means the 24rd

[Anonymous No.15838182]

>>15837376
>mfw launch gets delayed because they have to perform maintenance on the launch tower because they used it too much

[Anonymous No.15838186]

>>15838102
god I wish

[Anonymous No.15838202]

What are the odds of IFT2 making it all the way to the pacific?

[Anonymous No.15838204]

>>15838202
50%, either it makes it or not.

[Anonymous No.15838207]

Launching on the 13th. Real fucking wise SpaceX, real wise.
https://twitter.com/mcrs987/status/1720537873185656883?t=sEcEqAnHtTNO5C8NKlcUgA&s=19

[Anonymous No.15838209]

TWOOOOO
>'EDDIT SPACE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT
MOOOORE
>'EDDIT SPACE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT
WEEEEEKS

[Anonymous No.15838211]

>>15838207
>less 2 weeks away
It can't be...

[Anonymous No.15838213]

>>15838207
HAHAHAHA TWO MORE WEEKS STUPID GOY

[Anonymous No.15838217]

>>15838211
>>15838207
>ACTUALLY believing random string of numbers and letters for no fucking reason
BACKSISSIES WHAT IS THIS

[Anonymous No.15838222]

>>15838202
In 2023? ZERO

[Anonymous No.15838232]

So Ariane has the ship but not the rocket.

[Anonymous No.15838234]

>sfg - numerology

[Anonymous No.15838237]

>>15838234
>sfg not /sfg/
Newfag

[Anonymous No.15838239]

>>15838232
Technically, they also have the rocket. They just need to finish filing the internal paperwork to qualify it. Having their own internal FAA/FCC/FWS/etc makes the European space program that much more efficient than their American counterparts.

[Anonymous No.15838240]

>>15838237
In my heart it's still large lift vehicles discussion. I made some of those threads lol, op pic was BFR, NG, and SLS (wew)

[Anonymous No.15838241]

>>15838217
>>15838213
>>15838234
IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TOO YOU STUPID FUCKING MONKEYS. License drops on friday, which is the 10th and the actual launch happens on the 13th. Last flight was also planned to be on monday with FAA license releasing 3 days earlier on a friday. It just makes sense. There's only a 1/7 chance the date just randomly happened to be on a monday.

[Anonymous No.15838245]

remember this article? a couple dead ocelots seems pale in comparison https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2021/brazil-alcantara-launch-center-quilombo/

[Anonymous No.15838247]

>>15838239
>European space program that much more efficient than their American counterparts.

[Anonymous No.15838249]

>>15838247
literally the only “efficient” part of NASA is their stupid $250-mil-a-pop SSME

[Anonymous No.15838250]

>>15838241
the unpaid intern keeping up the SpaceX Youtube-channel just chose the date at random

[Anonymous No.15838252]

>>15838247
NASA is by far the least efficient space program in the world

[Anonymous No.15838253]

>>15838247
ESA is actually pretty efficient with the money they actually spend on launchers and planetary science. If they didn't jerk off most of their money to a redundant GPS-clone and earth observation, they might actually achieve something.

[Anonymous No.15838254]

I'm happy that the OFT will also be streamed on SpaceX's site, hopefully there's better stream quality on it. My TV has a web browser too so I might be able to just open it there.

[Anonymous No.15838255]

>>15838249
>>15838252
>>15838253
cope

[Anonymous No.15838256]

>>15838106
November 2024 at earliest. Likely 2026

[Anonymous No.15838258]

>>15838255
no you're just a retard

[Anonymous No.15838261]

>>15838258
ESA can't even put a human to space.

[Anonymous No.15838264]

There's always something off to me about this guy's ring station concepts but I can't really say why. I get that it has to be sepperate tubes because of paunch vehichle payload dimensions, but it just feels like there's a more clever less ugly/complex design while maintaining the same size and capability.

[Anonymous No.15838281]

>>15837826
based Feynman

[Anonymous No.15838285]

>>15838186
you can blow dudes in an alleyway right now, no need to wait for a superflare

[Anonymous No.15838287]

Wtf is the RL-20 engine

[Anonymous No.15838293]

>>15838264
> Space Station Arthur C Clarke
> crew: 100 men, 4900 boys

[Anonymous No.15838296]

>>15838106
The middle of November is November 15th. So sad to see how stupid /sfg/ anons have become

[Anonymous No.15838297]

>>15837369
Or we salvage ourselves before it's too late. Breeding is human augmentation 1.0, the 'natural' way. Human augmentation 2.0 would probably be some sort of transhumanism, like neural implants.

[Anonymous No.15838298]

>>15838145
You're sick

[Anonymous No.15838300]

>>15838202
0%

[Anonymous No.15838303]

>>15838207
Apparently according to ESGhound, they legally cant launch even with regulatory approval from FWS

[Anonymous No.15838310]

>>15838296
The 13th is mid November too. "mid-[month]" refers to a loos range of dates, not one specific date.

[Anonymous No.15838312]

>>15838202
Like splashing down in one piece?

[Anonymous No.15838314]

>>15838254
Hey, just like old times bros

[Anonymous No.15838315]

>>15838202
100%

WE ARE GOING

[Anonymous No.15838316]

>>15838310
No, you fundamentally misunderstand what "middle" means. It is not a range, it is a single point in time

[Anonymous No.15838318]

>>15838316
This >>15838106 doesn't say middle, it says mid-November. That's an idiomatic phrase, it means anything except the first and last weeks of the month.

[Anonymous No.15838320]

>>15838001
>The mare boosters you get the farther you leave the galaxy.
>mare boosters
SUPERCHARGE MY SPACE PROGRAM, ELON.

[Anonymous No.15838325]

>>15838318
Launch is November 16 at 12:00 UTC

[Anonymous No.15838328]

>>15838293
Fuck you for making me find out he molested little Sri Lankan boys you fucking negroid

[Anonymous No.15838329]

>>15838106
>pending regulatory approval
all these posts are meant to build pressure on the malicious slugs, especially from the public

[Anonymous No.15838334]

>>15838312
Just making it to a ballistic trajectory to the pacific

[Anonymous No.15838335]

>>15838250
>>15838234
>>15838217
get rekt faggots
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/its-almost-showtime-for-spacexs-massive-starship-rocket/

[Anonymous No.15838339]

>>15838335
>nothing is set in stone
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER AAAAHAHAHAA

[Anonymous No.15838342]

>>15838328

[Anonymous No.15838344]

>>15838335
nooo the ocelots :((

[Anonymous No.15838348]

Two weekshttps://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1720565252759093696

Astra I...

[Anonymous No.15838351]

>>15838344
TOD

[Anonymous No.15838355]

>>15837645

[Anonymous No.15838358]

>>15837704
Oh deer

[Anonymous No.15838360]

>>15838348
I'm gonna miss her, honestly. We'll always have the horizontal launch.

[Anonymous No.15838366]

>>15838360
i kinda wanna fuck her butthole and make her cry

[Anonymous No.15838368]

>>15837877
actual retard

[Anonymous No.15838369]

>>15838366
Wow, that's rude

[Anonymous No.15838374]

>>15837905
You're describing buildings, Jeff

[Anonymous No.15838378]

>>15838186
In a carrington event situation most of the world would get poisend with a mix of nuclear reactor meltdowns and chemical plants blowing up.
>but they are protected by EMP
Sure, but take the cleanup of fukushima for example, they are still working on that, and this is backed up by one of the biggest economies of the world, now do the same in a world with hundreds to thousands of chemical plants and nuclear reactors that werent shut down succesfully.
but on the other side, they claim we would see a carrington event days before it would hit us, time enough to shut everything down.

[Anonymous No.15838382]

>>15838355
a real human benis and a real hero

[Anonymous No.15838386]

>>15838360
We needed laughter and they delivered, and that's all that matters to me. May they never be forgotten.

[Anonymous No.15838389]

>>15838335
sad its taken this long. It would have been funny if IFT2 was on friday the 13th

[Anonymous No.15838393]

>>15838145
I will help you find the resources you need to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15838401]

>>15838202
100% There is no alternative outcome

[Anonymous No.15838419]

>>15838369
she'll learn to like it. but i'll cherish her screams

[Anonymous No.15838420]

>>15838386
RIP

[Anonymous No.15838424]

my sources say launch is certain on the 13th

[Anonymous No.15838439]

>>15838424
Mine too

[Anonymous No.15838446]

F Ken Mattingly

[Anonymous No.15838451]

>>15838420
>>15838360
>>15838348
>have all the hardware and know how to be a kickstage company for extra-orbital payloads
>go all in on launchers instead
>all your launchers fail
>reputation in the toilet
>refuse to change
Rip.

[Anonymous No.15838457]

>>15838446
ok libtard

[Anonymous No.15838459]

>>15838457
back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.15838460]

>>15838451
>know how to be a kickstage company
Upper stages are the one thing they've proven they don't know how to do

[Anonymous No.15838462]

>>15838459
I got banned from pol so i moved here

[Anonymous No.15838471]

Some Russian rocket startup test fired a methalox engine a couple weeks ago

https://srspace.ru/tpost/2xd95hh3u1-sr-space-provela-ognevie-ispitaniya-kame

>lol Russia
>First launch will be suborbital

[Anonymous No.15838473]

what are you excited for?

[Anonymous No.15838475]

>>15838420
Good times.

[Anonymous No.15838486]

>>15838335
KEEEEEEEEK THIS NEGROID ACTUALLY BELIEVES A BERGER ARTICLE WITH 'SOURCES SAY' WHATS IS THIS BACKBABIES

[Anonymous No.15838489]

>>15838473
Thanksgiving. I'm gonna bake a turkey, some ham, mashed potatoes, stuffing and some squash I grew in my garden this year.

[Anonymous No.15838491]

>>15838471
>Russia
>startup

[Anonymous No.15838499]

>>15837132
>>15837623
Max Q(ueens)

[Anonymous No.15838501]

>>15838232
>CANOPEE
hahaha

[Anonymous No.15838505]

>>15837926
cool that the people behind the vtubers went on stage

[Anonymous No.15838526]

>>15838386
>>15838420
it was the first time I laughed out loud at a launch event

[Anonymous No.15838528]

starliner will never fly humans

[Anonymous No.15838531]

>>15838528
All xeno scum must die.

[Anonymous No.15838533]

>>15838526
The little pan upwards the camera does expecting to be following the rocket before lowering back down is 10/10 comedic timing.

[Anonymous No.15838543]

>>15838460
Duh, cause they spend all their time on the first stage. You'll never get good at second stage if you never fly the second stage successfully.

[Anonymous No.15838546]

>>15838253
To be fair, Galileo is not entirely redundant. More GNSS sats visible will always improve accuracy.

[Anonymous No.15838547]

launch, landing, yadda yadda

[Anonymous No.15838559]

>>15838348
It's over.

[Anonymous No.15838563]

>>15838559
stop!

[sage No.15838565]

>>15838102
Why would a coronal mass ejection cause power to cease entirely/forever?
It would do a lot of damage to integrated circuits and shielded electronics but it wouldn't send humanity back into the dark ages. What exactly stops a ICE car from working after a CME? what stops generators from producing power?
Also why would they have to leave the buildings they already live in to build a walled town?

[Anonymous No.15838566]

>>15838559
P-please

[Anonymous No.15838571]

>>15838565
Because its funny.

[Anonymous No.15838574]

Kemp mentioned to me off the record what ABL means and you wont believe it

[Anonymous No.15838577]

if blue oregon buys ula, does that mean they are getting married or divorced or blue killing vulcan or vice versa? thanks

[Anonymous No.15838580]

>record-breaking 18th launch and landing of a F9 booster just now
>literally ZERO posts about it
wow

[Anonymous No.15838581]

>>15838580
did it already happen? nobody linked the xeet

[Anonymous No.15838582]

>>15838580
i had half a gummy, i'm kinda busy ass h*le

[Anonymous No.15838584]

>>15838580
Rocket landings are old hat
it is a vibe to be able to say that though, I'll admit

[Anonymous No.15838587]

>>15838580
so sad how they no longer stream on jewtube

[Anonymous No.15838588]

>>15838577
Blue absorbs a team that has actual experience running launch campaigns for the government. Tory Bruno may or may not have to knife fight Dave Limp for the big corner office. Vulcan flies before New Glenn but it flies cheaper since BE-4s are now budgeted in on cost rather than price. AJR starts to sweat over the RL10's future. Blue takes over ULA's 22 NSSL-2 launches and becomes a co-heir apparent along with SpaceX for NSSL-3's Lane 2, leaving the third spot open for a new mystery competitor now that New Glenn is finally in from the cold.

[Anonymous No.15838590]

When will starship return Mars samples? I know the current attempt is getting cancelled.

[Anonymous No.15838592]

There is a new commercial space station startup called Orbital Outpost X

https://www.orbitaloutpostx.com/

[Anonymous No.15838594]

>>15838588
so youre saying if the deal goes through, they become giga-origin and eat space sex lunch with tony baloney at the helm? seems more like anime than real life

[Anonymous No.15838596]

>>15838577
Vulcan was always going to be a test vehicle for BE4 flight and reuse before New Glenn was built, rather than a serious competitor to New Glenn. Nowadays Vulcan is almost totally pointless because its so far behind schedule that itnwont even build up much useful engine flight data for BO. The only reason Tory keeps talking about it is a last ditch effort to please investors before trying to sell the company.

[Anonymous No.15838599]

>>15838592

[Anonymous No.15838603]

>>15838594
No. Vulcan gets a better price but is still a worse offering overall than Falcon. It's just not as bad as it used to be. Limp isn't likely to get the boot right after being brought in, but Tory would make a good chief engineer at least. The big thing is that Blue Origin manages to buy its way into being a major national security launch provider which will guarantee some good business for New Glenn once its finished.

[Anonymous No.15838604]

>>15838590
assuming Musk wants to colonize Mars, then maybe 2030s. Assuming he's just conned us this entire time and is just trying to make a high payload to LEO vehicle, or assuming he dies or gets a debilitating mental disease soon, then never.

[Anonymous No.15838606]

>>15838592
its hilarious how people start these things up. eapecailly when they have onky a few hundred thousand dollars. how on earth do you expect to make money?

[Anonymous No.15838607]

>>15838599
am I blind or do those not have internal connections?

[Anonymous No.15838613]

>>15838607
No you're right, you'd have to EVA between pods. Lame.

[Anonymous No.15838689]

>>15838580
wake me up when one of them is in pieces on the drone ship/ocean
b1058 can stay together tho

[Anonymous No.15838694]

>>15837644
>>15837645

[Anonymous No.15838695]

>>15838689
you're going to be asleep for a while

[Anonymous No.15838698]

This thread is certainly taking shape nicely.

[Anonymous No.15838722]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI
space colonization when?
every time i see this vid it makes me want to rape other planets

[Anonymous No.15838725]

CLEAR IS LIVE
I REPEAT CLEAR IS LIVE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoHo5NJFqI0

[Anonymous No.15838731]

>>15838725
Thank you for letting me know clearbro.

[Anonymous No.15838735]

>>15838725
official jaxa stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3s4GSzBpw

[Anonymous No.15838745]

Cleargroids get the airlock

[Anonymous No.15838746]

Clear(ly a man)

[Anonymous No.15838760]

>>15838746
>>15838745
Where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.15838768]

>>15838760
Been here longer than you faggot, nobody likes your forced /vt/rash and samefagging this post isnt going to help your case. This will go the same as always, we tell you to fuck off, you never do and it repeats over and over because your just that autistic that you need to force this on /sfg/.

[Anonymous No.15838784]

>>15838768
>Been here longer than you faggot

Nah probably not, didn't read the rest of your seething, have an anime girl for your troubles.

[Anonymous No.15838799]

The future of spaceflight is Clear.

[Anonymous No.15838815]

>>15838799
>>15838746

[Anonymous No.15838820]

>>15838768
?

[Anonymous No.15838832]

>>15838815
Actually, it's nuclear.

[Anonymous No.15838886]

Musk will never fly to Mars

[Anonymous No.15838894]

Grok is based

[Anonymous No.15838924]

>>15838894
Who?

[Anonymous No.15838963]

>>15838886
moreclik mumbleking.

[Anonymous No.15838973]

Here we are bros stuck another day with literal flat earthers on this planet. When are we finally leaving bros? I'm tired.. I'm tired of the delays and mishaps.

[Anonymous No.15838978]

>>15838973
Just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.15838994]

Alright, place your bets, who's next after astra?

[Anonymous No.15838995]

>>15838994
Hobbitlab.

[Anonymous No.15838997]

>>15838580
see
>>15838547

[Anonymous No.15838998]

Xisters... Our response??

[Anonymous No.15839001]

>>15838613
No pod mixing anon!
Just stay in your own pod like a good boy

[Anonymous No.15839003]

>>15838998
>Wen IPO
The fact he knows this reference proves that he's a closeted SpaceX fanboy. Also that he's a Redditor.

[Anonymous No.15839006]

>>15839003
Bezos glows in the dark and bill nelson is an old coon

[Anonymous No.15839007]

>>15839003
didn't mean to @ but my argument stands bill nelson is an old coon.

[Anonymous No.15839026]

>>15839006
Bill Nelson is Max Hardcore and Bezos is Bootleg. Once you see it you cannot unsee it.

[Anonymous No.15839030]

>>15838565
>What exactly stops a ICE car from working after a CME? what stops generators from producing power?
he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.15839032]

>>15838565
Do you even know what's inside your car?

[Anonymous No.15839037]

>>15839032
engine parts? LOL

[Anonymous No.15839047]

>>15838894
New xAI thing?

[Anonymous No.15839052]

>>15839047
What are the implications for spaceflight?

[Anonymous No.15839065]

>>15839052
Musk becomes even more powerful and rich so the Mars colony is even more likely

[Anonymous No.15839068]

Stranger in a strange la d is worth readi g even though I didn't find it as compelling as the moon is a harsh mistress

[Anonymous No.15839071]

>>15839047
It will be like Tesla FSD: A joke in the industry and trailing behind, but fans will support it anyway due to hype and will tout stuff Stable diffusion 1.5 could do years ago as legendary when it gets added

[Anonymous No.15839073]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tD-9H2c6GY

good shuttle content

[Anonymous No.15839081]

>>15839068
>Stranger in a strange lad
Yeah, it is pretty gay

[Anonymous No.15839086]

>>15839071
IIt's most likely a troll but go on, name one autopilot better than Tesla FSD.

[Anonymous No.15839087]

>>15838994
ABL, all they have going for them is the trust of the glowies, and a couple more ABL failures and/or Firefly successes will take that away.

[Anonymous No.15839089]

>>15839087
I could see the proonters being next too

[Anonymous No.15839091]

>>15838039
>>15838052
Medium and large businesses are still smaller than international megacorporations

[Anonymous No.15839104]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKET_huk-ig

[Anonymous No.15839110]

I wonder if Musk reaches 10 trillion net worth during his lifetime
1 trillion seems almost inevitable, but not sure about much beyond that
1 trillion should be enough for a mars colony/city though

[Anonymous No.15839111]

>>15839104
finally, a new angle that we havent seen before

[Anonymous No.15839112]

>>15839001
Buncha jerks, that Pod Six.

[Anonymous No.15839113]

>>15839104

[Anonymous No.15839122]

>>15839086
Ford, google, waymo,

[Anonymous No.15839139]

>>15839122
you are retarded

[Anonymous No.15839146]

>>15839139
Why are you responsing to obvious bait. You even said it was yourself. Stop giving these retards what they want.
>

[Anonymous No.15839148]

>>15839146

[Anonymous No.15839158]

frogposters won on /sfg/ it seems. cirniggers BTFO'd.

[Anonymous No.15839186]

>>15839146
why is anyone whos not a spacex shill bait?
you people are worse than reddit at thois point.

[Anonymous No.15839206]

>>15839186
in the launch industry, being sane amounts to being a spacex shill. They dominate the entirety of the western launch market. Everyone else is at least 10 years behind them.

[Anonymous No.15839213]

>>15836482
Most Americans have little or no human ancestry so how are they supposed to colonise the galaxy?

[Anonymous No.15839224]

>OFT-2 will be the launch that either ties or breaks the record for most launches in a single year
its not a coincidence

[Anonymous No.15839253]

>>15839122
lmfao

[Anonymous No.15839263]

>>15839224
>OFT-2
>OFT
Not orbital and not even the actual name oldtroon get with the times

[Anonymous No.15839270]

>>15839224
OFT4

[Anonymous No.15839276]

I think OFT4 will be the first successful orbital Starship and OFT6 will be the first success water landing. OFT 9 will be first success booster landing

[Anonymous No.15839279]

>>15839276
so we shouldnt expect to see sucess for 3 to 6 years?

[Anonymous No.15839285]

>>15839279
Starship cadence will ramp faster after the 10 year mark based on F9, so probably

[Anonymous No.15839286]

>>15839285
its going to ramp up much faster

[Anonymous No.15839290]

Tell us your predictions for Starship IFT2
mine is:
>Successful liftoff, successful seperation, but not all raptors are at full thrust / some even shut down and trajectory is too low
Source: my ass

[Anonymous No.15839293]

>>15839286
it will be years before any design matures to the point where launches are any license comes less than 6 months apart

[Anonymous No.15839297]

>>15839290
>RUD during hotstaging.
source: bum I met yesterday

[Anonymous No.15839298]

>>15839279
months*

[Anonymous No.15839299]

>>15839293
no

[Anonymous No.15839300]

>>15839290
immediate rud on the pad due to unforseen issues
source: common sense

[Anonymous No.15839303]

>>15839290
RUD just after second stage MECO, showering low orbit with debris we all get to see for a few nights before it all reenters.

[Anonymous No.15839305]

I am going to RUD in your mum

[Anonymous No.15839306]

>>15839305
Youre going to cut your dick off in my mother? As expected of milftrannys

[Anonymous No.15839307]

>>15839290
some raptors turn off but due to better shielding there is no cascading failure and the stack reaches separation and Starship completes the intended fractional orbit, some problem in re-entry (due to tile problems) activates the FTS before it can reach the water, the booster lands more or less where intended

[Anonymous No.15839309]

MECO (most engines cut off

[Anonymous No.15839315]

>>15839306
you think about troonys and transies a lot dontcha

[Anonymous No.15839318]

>>15839290
>successful liftoff, nothing wrong with first stage, second stage spirals out of control during descent and slams into Earth

[Anonymous No.15839320]

>>15839315
Ever heard of a literal joke. Also go back /sfg/ has, is and always will be an anti-tranny general.

[Anonymous No.15839324]

>>15839320
fair enough. i'm going back

[Anonymous No.15839328]

If they strectch Starship, wont it be harder to remain stable when landed? Already seems like it's pushing it

[Anonymous No.15839329]

>>15838596
And the money granted by Space Force to ULA will ultimately amount to nothing more than a cash injection to keep the company alive prior to a buyout aka a bailout.

[Anonymous No.15839332]

>>15839328
D&C CSS cock sucking congolese ip above btw

[Anonymous No.15839333]

>>15839328
>when landed
Buddy, they're catching it.

[Anonymous No.15839334]

>>15839328
who cares nigga, ever heard about control engineering?

[Anonymous No.15839335]

>>15839333
on Mars? on Moona?

[Anonymous No.15839338]

>>15839335
Obviously you have to land a stage 0 tower with chopsticks on Mars first.

[Anonymous No.15839339]

[Anonymous No.15839340]

>>15839328
It's a good point. At this rate they'll probably have to design a mars variant as an offshoot of the current LEO design. Pretty rarted if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.15839341]

>>15839290
second stage goes perfectly until reentry, first stage boostback fails

[Anonymous No.15839342]

>>15839339
hon hon hon

[Anonymous No.15839343]

>>15839339
belle assiette mais why tho

[Anonymous No.15839344]

>>15839339
I think about this all the time and it actually looks delicious

[Anonymous No.15839345]

>>15839290
If it follows spacex tradition, the second flight will be less successful than the first, so expect a RUD on the pad I guess.

[Anonymous No.15839347]

>>15839335
HLS won't be changed so things stay the same on Moon.
As for Mars, it will most likely be HLS with tiles and flaps but still, Falcon 9 is basically a pencil and it lands on a barge. Starship should be fine.
>>15839339
I'm happy for you or sorry that happened.

[Anonymous No.15839349]

The Moonar surface isnt made of cheese
>>15839339

[Anonymous No.15839350]

>>15839349
But it should be, and could be if we tried really hard.

[Anonymous No.15839352]

>rgv flyover
>no csi
meh

[Anonymous No.15839351]

>>15839339
what does the bread look like

[Anonymous No.15839353]

>>15839351
It's just a baguette

[Anonymous No.15839354]

>>15839352
nothing has been happening for weeks now, they just built a parking lot and have been continuing to build the starfactory

[Anonymous No.15839355]

>>15839351
French state secret

[Anonymous No.15839356]

>>15839345
I know Falcon 1 took 4 flights to work, but I thought F9 just werked?

[Anonymous No.15839357]

>>15839354
Something is actually happening then. Probably a lot behind the scenes.

[Anonymous No.15839359]

>>15839328
>>15839340
It's a retarded point.
Sn10 and Sn15 had a 9 meter stance and there was absolutely no stability problem.
The offworld landers will have a somewhat wider stance and crush cores to land on slopes.
It will not be an issue.

[Anonymous No.15839361]

>>15839359
we'll see if your right. would not bet on it

[Anonymous No.15839362]

>Astra, low on cash, defaults on loan

https://spacenews.com/astra-low-on-cash-defaults-on-loan/

[Anonymous No.15839365]

>>15839362
she needs time to rest

[Anonymous No.15839366]

>>15839362

[Anonymous No.15839370]

>>15839359
I may have to wait 5 to 10 years to use this.

[Anonymous No.15839375]

>>15839339
N

[Anonymous No.15839376]

>>15839320
You are the tranny loser

[Anonymous No.15839381]

>shuttle is ba-...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAxuOLl64c

[Anonymous No.15839388]

>>15839381
Yeah, the shuttle is never coming back. Shouldn't have been made in the first place, but hindsight and all that.

[Anonymous No.15839392]

>>15839357
Lots of bolt polishing, destacking and restacking.

[Anonymous No.15839400]

>>15839381
Who said the shuttle is back?

[Anonymous No.15839401]

>>15839339

[Anonymous No.15839416]

We've been on Page 9 for like 10 hours.

[Anonymous No.15839423]

>>15839052
proto HAL for the starships to Mars

[Anonymous No.15839425]

>>15839416
I heckin' love regulations and bureaucracy!

[Anonymous No.15839427]

>>15839416
Fix that issue yourself then

[Anonymous No.15839432]

>>15839339

[Anonymous No.15839433]

>>15839362
How much longer? I feel like the "furloughs all employees and calls up Matthew Brown" stage isn't far.

[Anonymous No.15839436]

>>15839427

[Anonymous No.15839437]

>>15839416
Problem?

[Anonymous No.15839445]

>>15838998
He lacks reading comprehension.
>$3 billion in earnings before rockets, satellites, depreciation, and amortization
"Break-even" means that rockets, satellites, depreciation, and amortization currently consume the remaining $3 billion in earnings. This part is not rocket science.

[Anonymous No.15839449]

>>15839432
Marge

[Anonymous No.15839451]

>>15839445
hes too smart to make those errors. he knows something we dont.

[Anonymous No.15839462]

>>15839436
based oldfag. Do you like how sfg has changed?

[Anonymous No.15839467]

Can someone guess what picrel is?

[Anonymous No.15839472]

>>15839467
boring pic desu

[Anonymous No.15839473]

>>15839467
If I had to guess, ayy patterns in the rock.

[Anonymous No.15839474]

>>15839467
baby starship thumbprint

[Anonymous No.15839475]

>>15839467
looks like a TBM, maybe.

[Anonymous No.15839479]

>>15839467
An electrical transformer.

[Anonymous No.15839486]

>>15839475
Good point, it rather does look like a TBM cutting head.

[Anonymous No.15839492]

>>15839467
Close up of a BBC

[Anonymous No.15839495]

mutt's law
I can't escape it.

[Anonymous No.15839503]

>>15839467
a Junji Ito manga

[Anonymous No.15839511]

>>15839503
shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15839518]

>>15839503
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15839522]

>>15839503
Jump off a bridge.

[Anonymous No.15839527]

anybody else have archive anxiety/

[Anonymous No.15839530]

Most engines cut off!

[Anonymous No.15839534]

>>15839503
Keep talking. Continue living. Observe the scenery from a bridge.

[Anonymous No.15839543]

>>15839534
Shitskin ip above

[Anonymous No.15839544]

>>15839503
>>15839511
>>15839518
>>15839522
>>15839534
>>15839543
what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.15839546]

Staging:

>>15839545
>>15839545
>>15839545

[Anonymous No.15839611]

>>15839543
I accept your concession

[Anonymous No.15839627]

Since the guy above fucked up staging so badly here I make a new thread that doesn't violate /sfg/ OP code.

Staging!
>>15839626
>>15839626

>>15839626
>>15839626

>>15839626
>>15839626

[Anonymous No.15839810]

>>15837551
This nigger thinks revenue = profit. lol.

[Anonymous No.15839849]

>>15837444
>>15837612
More like JPL's quirky autism. The wheels were made with holes to leave Morse code imprinted in the tread marks.

[Anonymous No.15839899]

>>15839186
Because not being a shill for the company with 80% global mass to orbit is simply a delusional position