/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15811327]

Is cancer primarily a metabolic disease, or primarily an immune disease?

[Anonymous No.15811341]

It's glycolytic

[Anonymous No.15811353]

It's thermodynamic.

[Anonymous No.15811359]

>Be Kingler
>have enormous base 130 physical attack
>all stab movrs are based off its water type running off its base 50 special attack
game freak why?

[Anonymous No.15811362]

only two things are proven to cause cancer, viral infections and extreme poisonings

[Anonymous No.15811367]

>>15811359
What are you living in generation 3? It gets both crabhammer and liquidation. Though, that's still not enough to make it a good pokemon.

[Anonymous No.15811370]

>>15811367
in gen 1 it got stomp and body slam/double_edge, mimic or guillotine if you're lucky

[Anonymous No.15811455]

>>15811327
It's all random. You can be living a healthy lifestyle and living in a good environment free of pollutants and still get cancer.

[Anonymous No.15812195]

>>15811455
Sounds like something a doctor would say.

[Anonymous No.15812482]

>>15811327
its a viral disease.

[Anonymous No.15812488]

"the war on cancer" was started in 1971 and after half a century of """"research"""" and trillions of dollars wasted by the self proclaimed """"genius scientists"""" no worthwhile or useful, meaningful data on the issue has been discovered.
in the mean time, rick simpson figured out how to cure cancer in the 1990s, but since the solution is inexpensive and easy to produce at home and can't be capitalized, its not publicized by the mainstream press and nobody knows about it.

[Anonymous No.15812490]

How are viruses supposed to cause cancer I don't see what possible evolutionary mechanism could exist to promote it?

[Anonymous No.15812492]

>>15811327

It is not a disease, it is the abomination of bare life free of all "diseases", health incarnate.

[Anonymous No.15812515]

>>15811327
It’s a sugar deficiency, like most diseases

[Anonymous No.15812524]

>>15812515
>t.

[Anonymous No.15812529]

>>15811370
Yeah, but we got this little thing called the physical special split like 15 years ago. Crabhammer is a physical move now.

[Anonymous No.15812564]

>>15811327
100% immune something. calling it disease is probably too strong word, more like malfunction.

if your immune system would work properly it would notice the cancer when it grows big enough, it would then compare the DNA, recognize it as illegal immigrant and then swiftly kill it.

the later stages of cancer where its cells explode into whole body is blatant immune system disease. focusing on what is causing cancer is imho pointless pursuit: everything causes varios harm on cell level, even fucking sun light or eating meat. We should focus way more on understand immune system and improving it so whatever cancer shows up is instantly killed the same way as when you breathe in a couple of bacteria or viruses.

[Anonymous No.15812597]

>>15812529
not that guy, but i too never played beyond gen 3, because i hated the idea of the physical-special split/merge.
>ahh loik me floyin' moves fizzi'ul
>un ahh loik me wo'uh moves speshul
>not raycis just don loik em gettin mixed oop
>sim'ul az

I browse /vp/ every once in a while and looking at all the complaints about how the mainline games have degenerated, all the things GF has taken out, all the other shit changes to battles mechanics and to the adventures, all the classic pokemon theyve basically shoah'd, all the new shittier and shittier designed pokemon they include each iteration, all the ridiculous power creep..........yeah, im thinking i made the right choice.

[Anonymous No.15812601]

>>15812529
Yes, but that didn't exist for 3 or 4 entire generations.
It makes me wonder if they had wanted to implement the split from the beginning but some limitation prevented them.

[Anonymous No.15812604]

>>15811327
>Is cancer primarily a metabolic disease, or primarily an immune disease?
No, it's not.

[Anonymous No.15812607]

>>15812597
nta but I never moved beyond gen 2. I tried gen 3 and something about it felt odd, but I've played a few romhacks, some of them backport a few of the later innovations to gen 2, some of which I like more than others. The split does add a different feel to the game, Alakazam can no longer use the elemental punches for coverage like it could.

[Anonymous No.15812917]

>>15812490
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-and-cancer

Doesn't get into actual specifics (mechanisms) though

[Anonymous No.15812931]

>>15812601
I think it was just so new they weren't yet considering everything fully. Had way less people working on it

[Anonymous No.15812935]

>>15812195
Doctors don't say anything.

[Anonymous No.15812962]

>>15812488
first ive heard about it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3901602/

[Anonymous No.15812986]

>>15812564
Guy on the far left can sit down and enjoy the view. Anyone else who sits down would only see the wall.

[Anonymous No.15812990]

>>15812490
They find a way to infiltrate the cell, hack it to reproduce parts of itself, then turn off the ability for your own immune cells to recognize the infected cells (think of a cloaking system). Depending on the type, it might also switch off the buttons in those cells that control how often that cell can multiply. In instances of the HeLa cells, they're constantly reproducing.

[Anonymous No.15813076]

>>15812490
Theyre man made viruses.

Nazis figured out genetic engineering during the war.

[Anonymous No.15814151]

>>15812990
>>15813076
>HPV
>HIV
What are some other 'smart' viruses?

Tbh though aren't all viruses pretty smart? - yet not even living things. Maybe all viruses are artificially engineered?

[Anonymous No.15814166]

>>15812990
Good thing our body developed Natural Killer Cells to target viruses that hide from the immune system by down regulating MHCI on their host cells.

[Anonymous No.15814167]

>>15811327
Damaged cell goes crazy. Starts to reproduce uncontrollably. Becomes a cancer.

[Anonymous No.15814344]

>>15814167
1) What causes it to go crazy?
2) Why uncontrollably? Ordinarily the body nips it in the bud. So what happens to make the body not nip it in the bud?