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So when we die, if it's forever, that's like a really long time...

>> No.15808366

>>15808199
That's like...forever.

>> No.15808562

how i wish this was

>> No.15808564

Yeah, but, given an infinite amount of time, the statistical likelihood is that events leading up to your existence will reoccur. It might take an accountable amount of time, but, trust me, it goes by quickly.

>> No.15808566

>>15808564
That's a really garbage understanding of probability you've got.

>> No.15808569

>>15808199
That is why it is paramount that atheists spend their limited time on this planet wisely so as not to waste it.

>> No.15808577

>>15808199
Well if it turns out you are alive again sometime in the future even if its trillion years, it will be like blinking your eyes. Having no brain to process time is a time travel cheat

>> No.15808612

>>15808199
Yeah but when youre dead you wont experience or feel anything. Not time, not boredom, etc.

>> No.15808621

>>15808199
>forever, that's like a really long time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVkWWKHtsio

>> No.15808634

>>15808577
If you are so confident but death and about how heaven isnt real you shuld kill yourself right now to prove me wrong.

>> No.15808659

>>15808564
this. the universe is a fractal so by implication it will recreate you at some point in time. however you won't remember this life after you die so it's like starting a new game in vidya.

>> No.15808662

>>15808564
>near infinite time
You wake up instantly. Regarding infinite time.. You only have a few tens of billions of years left until all good stars are dead

>> No.15808673

>>15808662
universe is a fractal, so there will be infinitely many big-bangs that will happen, my guess is that once a large amount of stars die the remaining black holes attract everything and eventually form a singularity so strong that it creates a new universe probably through some weird curvature-to-particle creation method.

>> No.15808679

>>15808659
The most meaningless existence is this which is also is my biggest fear looping like a retard for all eternity.

>> No.15808742

>>15808199
if it were eternal it would be eternal
life is eternal death is temporary

>> No.15809035
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15809035

A mechanism for how quantum immortality could work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

Some other possible afterlife mechanisms:
https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/

>> No.15809062

>>15809035
Just follow Turchin's immortality roadmap at that point desu

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>>15808612
False, because NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

As this NDEr described their NDE:

>"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

>muh brain chemistry

Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

>muh DMT causes it

Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

So we become more alive when we die. It is the opposite of what materialists believe.

>> No.15809761

cope

>> No.15809764

>>15808199
you are decoupled from time when you are still. as long as you are not manifesting in 3D you are not affected by time, you are outside time. you move through time at the speed of light, when you are perfectly still. eg "dead", not material body dead, "dead" as in not manifesting in 3D space.

>> No.15809831

>>15808634
Do people have the option exit heaven once they go to heaven?

>> No.15809842

I find it pretty comfy that I can exist. I mean, that could happen more times if it happened once.

>> No.15809851

>>15808199
the experience of being alive is subject to time
the experience of being dead is not subject to time
ergo, being dead doesn't real, and being alive is infinite.
ergo

>> No.15809853

>>15808634
nobody said you'll come back as the same person, or even as a human.

>> No.15809881

>>15809831
Most conceptions say yes (and the myths of demons, etc seem to imply that).

>> No.15809890

>>15808564
The argument against that is there is also the same statistical likelihood your existence reoccurs but with all your previous memories. So why does that never happen? Because it can't. When you die, that's it. Forever.

>> No.15809900

>>15809890
>So why does that never happen?
happens each morning for all you know.

>> No.15809904

>>15809900
That's a convenient coincidence.

>> No.15809917

>>15808564
Bro not even the black holes will persist more than a trillion years. Space is finite, time is finite, matter is finite, energy is finite, and you couldn't even assemble infinite time causally anyway.

The "infinite time" cope is what leads to failing the Boltzmann brains test.

>> No.15809922

>>15808569
What the fuck does it even mean to "waste" time in this sense? If there is no meaning value purpose or significance *and* the entropic endpoint is known with certainty these concepts are not even available to us.

Belief that it is even possible to "waste" time means you shouldn't be pretending to be an atheist

>> No.15809938

>>15809917
we don't know shit about shit. we barely make out what's out there, we're not even sure what we're seeing, half the shit we see doesn't make sense and another 49% is math tricks so it makes some sense. fuck knows what we find out later on, what we discover is possible, or maybe we fucking control the whole universe in a way which allows us to keep on keeping on for practically forever. we find some energy sources from other dimensions or universes or fuck knows what's out there, just to keep our universe going. judging this NOW is one of the most retarded activities you can waste your time on.

>> No.15810100

I mean realistically speaking, think of your chances of existing, looking back half a billion years. know what I mean? now think that you already existed once, and died. what are now your chances of you existing again?
if it's possible and we crack backwards time travel, it's technically possible we can "resurrect" everyone who has ever lived. theoretically you are one technicality away from keeping on existing

>> No.15810193

>>15808564
>infinite
stopped reading here

>> No.15810334

>>15808199
Too bad it isn't, you'll just open your eyes as some new creature and the hell continues

>> No.15810370

The theory of the rebirths is not super hard to come up with it in the first place
-at death you either die forever
-or you go to some place but dont come back
- or what dies is recycled into what will be alive again

it's not like there are many possibilities lol. Rebirth is not the monopoly of buddhism.

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15810461

Sorry to be nihilistic but what is the point of existing again with no prior memories? Or am I missing the bigger picture?

>> No.15810537

>>15808564
>the statistical likelihood is that events leading up to your existence will reoccur
why?
I always see this stated as fact, but it seems false. for instance an infinite sequence of numbers does not ever have to repeat itself; how much more should this be the case with the incomparably more complex phantasm of 'all circumstances' leading to someone's existence.

>> No.15810541

I'm proud of you guys, seeing how nobody replied to the NDE schizo. keep up the good work, let him reply to himself to pretend he's not just ignored.