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Plausible, or schizo tier? Consider the cyclical model of the universe. Could eternal recurrence be possible, at least in the sense of unknowingly experiencing consciousness again?

>> No.15806272
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>>15806267
>could eternal recurrence be possible
yes
>in the sense of unknowingly experiencing consciousness again
>again
only from the perspective of someone sitting outside the universe and watching it repeat.

>> No.15806400
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15806400

A mechanism for how quantum immortality could work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

Other possible mechanisms for how an afterlife could potentially exist:
https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/

>> No.15806408

Do you have any proof of this theory?

>> No.15806418

>>15806408
It came to me in a dream.

>> No.15806421

>>15806267
what repeating the exact same life over and over??
I fucking hope not lol

>> No.15806455

>>15806421
every time a nigga die, a child is born. your soul goes to heaven so god can make more people out of it.

a criminal is when god makes a person out of the scraps

my life is a black hole, like the barrel of a gun

>> No.15806457

>>15806455
>your soul goes to heaven so god can make more people out of it.
this is why a man that's a coward is a net loss to the tribe. goes against god's will. all men are meant to die.

>> No.15806467

I think its schizobabble but not necause it's internally incoherent (I used to think the same thing - if pre-birth state isn't eternal, why do I assume post death will be? If they are the same thing then by my own existence right now I have all the evidence that it ISNT and its basically irrational for me to not believe in rebirrth).

BUT, I think where this logic goes wrong is in its "thingifying" of non existence. That is, it's not actually a state you came from or a state you'll return to - its not a state at all. In reality all that actually exists is what exists. Babies are not "brought into existence" from non-existence as if fertilizing an egg plucks a being from a type of Buddhist nibbana and imposes existence on them. What happens is causes and conditions in the world happen with pre-existing stuff that just combine and develop in a particular way forming a fetus and then a baby. There's nothing otherworldly about.

And so do yoy see the point? It's only because I have a delusional notion of myself as a sort of Cartesian cogito or a substantial self or soul distinct from this body and its function that projecting "non-existence" prior to my birth is even coherent. It's as if I think of myself as a thing, a self a stable ego that persists through time and change and throughout my life, and which popped into being at my birth. But this is a delusion. I am just my body. My body formed out of the world that already existed. Worldly actions caused my bkdy to he formed. And when I die inwont go "back" to non existence. Because I never was there. I'm not a substantial self or ego. What will happen is a change in bodily function and this bkdy will become a corpse rather than an I've body. There is just the world. "Non-existence" is just a concept in lur minds we apply to our pre-birth state because we delusionally think of ourselves as cogitos. The body forms out of the world and remains in it when it dies. There's nothing otherworldly going on here,

>> No.15806470

>>15806467

Your argument is not even an argument against the theory. I mean I understand your point but where it doesn't contradict anything...

>> No.15806480

>>15806467
Do you think a 'rebirth' of sorts is just not possible, or is it too abstract for us to grasp?

>> No.15806490

4chan anons were right.
we're literally here forever and there is not a thing anyone can do about it.
enjoy the endless wild ride or don't.

>> No.15806491

I think it's random so no.

>> No.15806621

>>15806490
>having to live near infinite number of lives as a w*man

>> No.15806650

>>15806467
Your low iq wall of text falls apart when you have to account for the hard problem of consciousness

>> No.15806652

>>15806480
You clearly don’t even know what an abstraction is

>> No.15806657

>>15806650
>non-problem of consciousness
lol
lmao

>> No.15806683

>>15806480
To be frank I believe in rebirth I just don't think this

>"non existence prior to my birth wasnt eternal so why would the same non existence after my death BE eternal???"

argument is particularly coherent. As in I don't think its wrong I think it rests on an incoherent picture of the world and what we exist as.

>> No.15806701

>>15806267
If there's an infinite amount of time before an event, you never reach the event.

>> No.15806733

>>15806701
>If there's an infinite amount of reals between 1 and 2, you never reach 2
I shiggy, nay, DIGGY

>> No.15806768
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Mario Montano had beliefs that were similar to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUcHL2bSF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13yLq16QiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/the-many-possible-ways-to-resurrect/

>> No.15806793

>>15806467
your point seems sensible to me

>> No.15806806

>>15806793
That post is the dumbest in the thread

>> No.15806827

I eat and I piss and shid, piss and shid feed plant, plant feed me, I piss and shid

>> No.15807002

>>15806267
I unironically believe this.

>> No.15807118

>>15806467
>claims he is delusional
self-refuting

>> No.15807473

>>15806267
Trying to debate anything related to consciousness is fundamentally problematic. You can only meaningfully talk about things which exist in the external reality which we all share, consciousness does not exist in external reality however.

Despite that, I do lean towards thinking that consciousness will always continue.

>> No.15807550

>>15807473
Low iq brainlet take. The external reality *is* consciousness. Science functions of conscious observations. The world around you is sensory

>> No.15808245

>>15807550
The world is not sensory just because you experience it though the lens of sensory experience

>> No.15808435

You don't retain your memories so it doesn't matter. Even if you do get reborn, you will never know. So dying and being reborn is functionally the same as death eternal for the current "I".
And if there is no continuty between the two Is, and there is nothing to even say that that's the same I.

>> No.15808437

Holy shit this is exactly what I believed.