/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15802259]

Two more weeks edition

Previous >>15799543

[Anonymous No.15802266]

the definition of insanity is the retarded face of elon musk

[Anonymous No.15802268]

First post is the most obvious bait and guaranteed 20 replies because newfags just HAVE to give him (You)s, holy shit thread immediatly ruined

[Anonymous No.15802269]

>>15802268
> WHY DON'T YOU LET ME SUCK THE COCK OF ELON
shut up
how is the weather in kolkata btw?

[Anonymous No.15802272]

Psyche will successfully launch.

[Anonymous No.15802276]

>>15802268
>>15802269
Why don't you both just hang yourselves?

[Anonymous No.15802278]

these fourteen consecutive days just don't seem to end

[Anonymous No.15802280]

E2E rocket bean transport to solve world hunger

[Anonymous No.15802291]

>>15802278
Possibly at the end of October. The fourteen days starts soon.

[Anonymous No.15802343]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6XMnH_7RE

stream live in 3h
launch in about 5h

[Anonymous No.15802347]

Avio Target Up To 6 Vega C Flights in 2025, ASI Signs Phase A Study Contract for INNOVATOR CubeSat Mission
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/avio-target-up-to-6-vega-c-flights-in-2025/
> Italian rocket maker Avio has shared that it expects to launch between four and six Vega C flights in 2025.
> According to the roadmap Avio shared on 10 October during the Italian Excellences 2023 event, a pair of Z40 ground tests are planned, with one occurring in the second quarter of 2024 and the other in the third quarter. The Vega C return to flight mission will then follow, as long as the tests are successful, in the fourth quarter of 2024.
> Vega C is currently still grounded pending the redesign of the Zefiro 40 (Z40) second stage nozzle. The redesign was necessitated following a failed Vega C flight in late 2022 and a failed Z40 ground test in June.
> There are currently 16 Vega C missions in the Avio backlog. This means that at a launch cadence of between four and five missions per year, the vehicle will only be available to new customers from late 2027 or early 2028.
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/asi-signs-phase-a-study-contract-for-innovator-cubesat-mission/
> The Italian Space Agency ASI has signed a contract with an industrial team to begin the Phase A study for its INNOVATOR CubeSat mission that will study gravitational and atmospheric science.
> Part of ASI’s Alcor project, the INNOVATOR mission consists of two 6U CubeSats. Each satellite is equipped with an InterSatellite Link payload that will allow the satellites to be connected at all times. This connection will allow for the collection of ranging and range-rate measurements, which can be used to accurately estimate the gravitational and non-gravitational accelerations acting on the satellites.

[Anonymous No.15802354]

https://twitter.com/Yrouel86/status/1712742148309668087

> The EUS contract being more than both HLS contracts combined is insane.
>But what is perhaps even more insane to me is that just the Universal Stage Adapter costs double the estimated cost of a whole Falcon 9 second stage (~$10 million).
>This is why cost plus is indeed a plague.

[Anonymous No.15802364]

starship will not be given permission to launch until musk gives the cia and the adl back their censorship authority over twitter

[Anonymous No.15802369]

>>15802259
If you were NASA administrator during the Bush admin, how would you have safeguarded it against future cancellation?

[Anonymous No.15802401]

>>15802369
Never do commercial crew or COTS, forcing astronauts to ride Orion lest they keep riding on Soyuz.

[Anonymous No.15802436]

why wont they let my saint fly?

[Anonymous No.15802454]

[Anonymous No.15802457]

>>15802280
This nigga suborbiting beans!

[Anonymous No.15802459]

>>15802259
>not psyche edition
>no falcon heavy pic
as always, OP is a flaming homosexual retard
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npIDMxrzm_o

[Anonymous No.15802461]

>>15802459
90 min until stream start, might be interesting just due to Psyche stuff if you haven't bothered to read about it, no doubt NASA is going to spam info about it before the launch

[Anonymous No.15802462]

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1712794358154453474

[Anonymous No.15802464]

Should we have a launch thread? The last big science mission that I remember having a dedicated thread for was JWST, and /sfg/ has been very it's-so-over, low energy due to starship blueballs
>>15802461
weather is only 40% go right now :/

[Anonymous No.15802465]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvhXOP_YPIc

[Anonymous No.15802466]

>6 years until it get to Psyche

[Anonymous No.15802467]

>>15802464
https://blogs.nasa.gov/psyche/2023/10/12/weather-40-favorable-for-friday-psyche-launch/

> Weather 40% Favorable for Friday Psyche Launch
> The next available launch window occurs at 10:24 a.m. EDT Saturday, Oct. 14. Weather officials forecast a 70% of favorable conditions for this launch opportunity, with the cumulus cloud rule as the primary weather concern.

[Anonymous No.15802473]

Some people at NASA must be really glad that someone is finally making orbital depots. They've been proposing that for so long, only to be shut down by congress each time.

[Anonymous No.15802478]

two week status?

[Anonymous No.15802479]

>>15802478
Two weeks soon. Not yet.

[Anonymous No.15802482]

>>15802465

[Anonymous No.15802483]

>>15802482

[Anonymous No.15802485]

>>15802483

[Anonymous No.15802487]

>go/no-go fueling decision expected in 1 hour

[Anonymous No.15802490]

>>15802464
>/sfg/ has been very it's-so-over, low energy
Eh.
/scfi/ might be in a freefall towards historical low with no signs of recovery, but /sfg/ is still most of /sci/ traffic.

[Anonymous No.15802491]

>https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712806645426946186
>All systems are looking good and weather is 85% favorable for Falcon Heavy's launch of NASA’s @MissionToPsyche

[Anonymous No.15802492]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712806645426946186

ITS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.15802493]

[Anonymous No.15802500]

>>15802492
WEE GAAN?

[Anonymous No.15802501]

launch in 1h 20min
Weather looking good, 85% favorable >>15802492>>15802491

Watch SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket launch NASA's Psyche asteroid mission today
Liftoff is scheduled for 10:19 a.m. ET today (Oct. 13).

https://www.space.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-psyche-launch-webcast

NSF stream starting now >>15802343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6XMnH_7RE

Official NASA stream starting in 40 minutes >>15802459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npIDMxrzm_o

SpaceX stream probably starting 5 minutes before launch on X on their page
https://twitter.com/SpaceX

[Anonymous No.15802504]

Why is Ria-chan not streaming Psyche.

Maybe she is busy with the upcoming real event?
Or maybe it is too late in Japan and she is sleeping?

[Anonymous No.15802505]

>>15802501
fueling soon

[Anonymous No.15802506]

>>15802504
maybe, its going to launch like 11:30 PM japanese time

[Anonymous No.15802509]

Golem bros.. you are still here. When are you leaving this planet?

[Anonymous No.15802510]

Psyche marks start of NASA use of Falcon Heavy,
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https://spacenews.com/psyche-marks-start-of-nasa-use-of-falcon-heavy/
> WASHINGTON — The launch of NASA’s Psyche mission represents the beginning of the agency’s use of SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket, which the agency will rely upon for some of its biggest science and exploration missions this decade.
> The launch will be the eighth flight of the Falcon Heavy but the first devoted to NASA. Previous launches, after the demonstration launch of the rocket in February 2018, were for commercial and U.S. military customers.
> NASA has, in recent years, increasingly turned to Falcon Heavy for major missions. The rocket is under contract to launch the GOES-U weather satellite and Europa Clipper planetary science mission in 2024. That will be followed by the first two modules of the lunar Gateway, the HALO module and Power and Propulsion Element, launching together. Falcon Heavy will also launch the Roman Space Telescope observatory in 2026.
> As with Falcon 9, NASA has accepted some degree of reusability with the Falcon Heavy. The two side boosters will be making their fourth launch on Psyche, having previously been used for two Space Force missions and the launch of the Jupiter 3 commercial communications satellite. The same side boosters will be used on the Falcon Heavy launch of Europa Clipper in a year, which will be their sixth flight.
> While SpaceX also regularly reuses payload fairings, that is not the case for Psyche. “We weren’t ready for reused fairings on Psyche,” he said, which extends to other NASA missions launching on Falcon. “We have begun the dialogue and we are working with SpaceX, and I do see LSP and NASA reusing fairings in the future.” He suggested that NASA would be ready to reuse fairings on its launches by late 2024 or early 2025.

[Anonymous No.15802512]

>>15802347
>6 a year
They should aim for a lot more than that.. at least it didn't blow up again..

[Anonymous No.15802515]

https://twitter.com/NASA_LSP/status/1712810207816925375

[Anonymous No.15802516]

>>15802515
https://twitter.com/NASA_LSP/status/1712813957684007256

> The #MissionToPsyche began in 2011 and more than two thousand people have worked to make this launch possible!

[Anonymous No.15802521]

Pretty comprehensive article from NSF about the launch and Psyche mission in general
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/10/psyche-launch/
> Psyche is the 14th mission in NASA’s Discovery Program; a program that supports solar system exploration missions that are lower in cost than NASA’s New Frontier and Flagship programs and that focus on achieving one specific scientific goal rather than a more general purpose or investigation.
> The Psyche spacecraft is designed to perform a 21-month primary science mission at Psyche, which will take place after the spacecraft’s near six-year coast phase through the solar system. During the coast phase, Psyche will complete a gravity assist maneuver at Mars to help increase the spacecraft’s velocity and trajectory to 16 Psyche.
> Psyche will carry four instruments with it to 16 Psyche, with the instruments weighing in at 30 kilograms total. The first instrument is a multispectral imager that will provide scientists with high-resolution imagery of 16 Psyche. The imager will use different filters to separate the metallic and silicate compounds on the asteroid’s surface.
> Psyche will also carry a gamma-ray and neutron spectrometer.The instrument will map and analyze the entirety of 16 Psyche’s elemental composition. Alongside the gamma-ray and neutron spectrometer is Psyche’s magnetometer, which will measure, analyze, and map 16 Psyche’s magnetic field.
> The fourth and final instrument aboard the spacecraft is the X-band Gravity Science Investigation.
> The last major component of the Psyche spacecraft is the Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC) laser communications experiment.
> During Psyche’s mission, teams will use laser communication to send commands to the spacecraft and relay data, increasing communications performance and efficiency by 10 to 100 times over normal communications systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKgYmQS-Kw

[Anonymous No.15802523]

>>15802521
> The primary goal of the Psyche mission is to characterize the geology, shape, elemental composition, magnetic field, and mass distribution of 16 Psyche. As mentioned, 16 Psyche is thought to have once been a planetary core and could hold the answers to some of planetary science’s greatest mysteries surrounding planetary formation.
> Following its launch, Psyche will cruise through space for five years and 10 months, arriving at 16 Psyche in August 2029. During its cruise, Psyche will complete a gravity assist maneuver at Mars in 2026, which will increase the velocity of the spacecraft and put it on the proper trajectory to encounter 16 Psyche in 2029.

[Anonymous No.15802524]

>>15802523
> Once at 16 Psyche, the spacecraft will orbit the asteroid in four different orbits, which are named A-D, during its 21-month mission. The first orbit, Orbit A, will be 700 kilometers in altitude at a 90-degree inclination. Psyche will be in Orbit A for 56 days and will perform magnetic field characterization.
>Psyche will then move to Orbit B1, which is 303 kilometers in altitude at a 90-degree inclination. The spacecraft will stay in Orbit B1 for 92 days for continued magnetic field and topography characterization.
>Next, Psyche will lower to Orbit D, which is 75 kilometers in altitude at 160 degrees in inclination. Psyche will stay in Orbit D for 100 days and will investigate the chemical composition of the asteroid’s surface.
> Psyche will then move up to Orbit C, a 190-kilometer high orbit at a 90-degree inclination. The spacecraft will be in Orbit C for another 100 days and will perform investigations into 16 Psyche’s gravitational and magnetic fields.
>The final orbit Psyche will move to during its primary mission is Orbit B2, which is the same altitude and inclination as Orbit B1. However, this time, the spacecraft will stay in Orbit B2 for 100 days, performing more topography and magnetic field characterization.

[Anonymous No.15802525]

>>15802524
> 16 Psyche is a large, M-type asteroid located 2.92 astronomical units from the Sun within the asteroid belt. The asteroid was discovered on March 17, 1852, by Italian astronomer Annibale de Gasparis. M-type asteroids are a class of asteroids that contain higher concentrations of metallic elements and compounds than other classes of asteroids.
>The “16” in the asteroid’s name signifies that the asteroid was the 16th minor planet to ever be discovered. The asteroid is named after the Greek goddess Psyche.
> 16 Psyche is the largest M-type asteroid to ever be discovered, and its large size is one of the main reasons why scientists selected the asteroid for the Psyche mission. Its mean diameter is around 220 kilometers, its volume is 5.75×10^6 cubic kilometers, and its mass is 2.29×10^19 kilograms. In fact, the asteroid is so large that it contains approximately one percent of the entire asteroid belt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aExTQGcIGKo

[Anonymous No.15802535]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1712486972806082746
>NASA has issued an updated commercial crew manifest:
>SpaceX Crew-8: no earlier than (NET) mid-Feb 2024
>Boeing CFT: NET mid-April 2024
>SpaceX Crew-9: NET mid-August 2024
>Crew-10/Starliner-1: early 2025
>Crew-10/Starliner-1: early 2025
its so fucking over

[Anonymous No.15802537]

>>15802501
official nasa stream live

[Anonymous No.15802541]

>>15802537

[Anonymous No.15802542]

why is the NASA stream so quiet?

[Anonymous No.15802544]

>>15802542
It's fine for me

[Anonymous No.15802545]

It's kind of embarrassing to admit, but aside from bringing Lunar rocks, I don't know what Apollo has achieved. Where can I read about it?

[Anonymous No.15802548]

>>15802545
It made the Soviet Union look very silly on the world stage, much dishonor.

[Anonymous No.15802550]

>>15802545
The Apollo program achieved numerous significant milestones during its missions to the Moon. To learn more about Apollo's achievements and contributions, you can consider several resources:

1. NASA's Apollo Program Webpage: The official NASA website provides detailed information about each Apollo mission, including mission objectives, accomplishments, and scientific findings. Visit: https://www.nasa.gov/specials/apollo50th/
2. NASA's Apollo Image Gallery: The NASA Apollo Image Gallery offers an extensive collection of photographs captured during the Apollo missions, showcasing the lunar surface, astronauts, experiments, and more. Visit: https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/images/index.html
3. NASA's Apollo TV Archives: NASA offers an online archive of Apollo mission footage, including mission highlights, interviews, and important moments from each mission. Visit: https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/highlights/archive/index.html
4. Books on Apollo Missions: Multiple books have been written about the Apollo program, providing in-depth details about the missions, astronaut experiences, and advancements in space exploration. Some recommended titles include "Apollo: The Race to the Moon" by Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox, "A Man on the Moon" by Andrew Chaikin, and "Apollo Expeditions to the Moon" by Edgar M. Cortright (Editor).
5. Documentaries and Films: There are various documentaries and films available that provide visual narratives and insights into the Apollo program. "For All Mankind" (1989), "Apollo 11" (2019), and the Emmy Award-winning miniseries "From the Earth to the Moon" (1998) are highly regarded productions.

By exploring these resources, you can gain a comprehensive understanding of Apollo's achievements beyond the lunar rocks brought back to Earth.

t. chatgpt
It's funny to me that this bot training data is only a few years old and most of the nasa links are already broken

[Anonymous No.15802554]

>>15802550
>>15802545
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/NASA---Going-Nowhere-Since-1958-(Full-Documentary):4

[Anonymous No.15802555]

>We don't have a commercially available heavy lift launch vehicle...

[Anonymous No.15802558]

Man, this thing is packing about 13-15 km/s of dV.

And it could carry way more, up to 16.8 t. to Mars. It is only carrying 2.6 t.

I can't believe they are launching stuff to a mars encounter without any extra mission.

[Anonymous No.15802559]

>>15802541

[Anonymous No.15802560]

That NASAchad should do the whole livestream alone

[Anonymous No.15802561]

>>15802559

[Anonymous No.15802564]

>>15802537
JPL PEANUTS

[Anonymous No.15802565]

Ria chan is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnHZRaOet4Y

[Anonymous No.15802566]

>>15802259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npIDMxrzm_o

Psychologist incomming.

[Anonymous No.15802570]

>>15802278
It's illegal to discuss realistic solutions to the two week problem

[Anonymous No.15802572]

>>15802490
What's 95% of zero traffic?

[Anonymous No.15802573]

X stream died...

[Anonymous No.15802575]

>>15802561
>trajectory analyst
>can't see that he's going to an early grave with that gut
grim

[Anonymous No.15802576]

I'm debating between the NASA and NSF stream, probably gonna go with NASA

[Anonymous No.15802578]

SYKE

[Anonymous No.15802579]

how long is it realistically gonna orbit that asteroid? 15 years?

[Anonymous No.15802581]

>>15802554
begone schizo conspiritard flerfer

[Anonymous No.15802582]

>>15802579
well the plan is 433 days in total >>15802524

[Anonymous No.15802584]

>>15802565
is she explaining what was going on in last nights stream?

[Anonymous No.15802585]

Which stream are you guys watching? Estrogenaut is just rebroadcasting the nasa stream and NSF was begging for donations literally within 10 seconds of me opening their stream

[Anonymous No.15802586]

>>15802585
Why would you even bothe with those two? It's NASA mission so NASA is the best source.

[Anonymous No.15802587]

>>15802585
NASA stream but I have NSF on mute open as well

[Anonymous No.15802588]

>>15802585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npIDMxrzm_o
what else

[Anonymous No.15802590]

>>15802585
NASA stream muted and Clear on a second monitor.

[Anonymous No.15802591]

under 10 minutes

[Anonymous No.15802593]

Why does the nasa stream have these near-human hominids as hosts

[Anonymous No.15802595]

shes got some fuckin gnashers on her hasnt she

[Anonymous No.15802596]

>>15802593
Shh, anon we're all supposed to pretend that we're all the same

[Anonymous No.15802597]

WAIT THE NASA STREAM IS 4K
When the hell did that happen?

[Anonymous No.15802598]

Our boy visited India

https://twitter.com/Thom_astro/status/1712543641972125791/photo/4

[Anonymous No.15802601]

>>15802586
what about the SpaceX stream?

[Anonymous No.15802602]

lol NASA stream is delayed like 28 seconds compared to NSF

[Anonymous No.15802605]

>>15802601
The same as NASA, but it has X quality.

[Anonymous No.15802606]

When NASA says "press to x" I used to think they meant it as the military way that they'll push towards something, not literally pressurizing something.

[Anonymous No.15802607]

>>15802584
Yeah apparently she is doing a live stream soon with her friend. They are now "ClearSky".

Just now she switched to FH.

[Anonymous No.15802608]

>>15802602
how do they do it

[Anonymous No.15802609]

>>15802602
X stream of NASA is 10s before the youtube stream

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712833986865823857

[Anonymous No.15802611]

soon

[Anonymous No.15802612]

t- 40s

[Anonymous No.15802613]

[Anonymous No.15802614]

later bozo

[Anonymous No.15802615]

boom

[Anonymous No.15802616]

[Anonymous No.15802617]

[Anonymous No.15802618]

side boosters separated

[Anonymous No.15802619]

what is ses and seco

[Anonymous No.15802620]

>>15802612
>>15802613
>>15802616
>>15802617
>>15802618
Instead of manually cropping every time, just alt+printscreen to capture the active window only.

[Anonymous No.15802622]

>>15802616
fucking nice. Falcon Heavy is going to look extra sexo with the extended fairing

[Anonymous No.15802623]

second stage separated
fairing separated

[Anonymous No.15802624]

>>15802619
second
engine
startu
cutoff

[Anonymous No.15802625]

Why does Clear have 2s of advantage over the official stream?

[Anonymous No.15802627]

>>15802619
Second-Stage Engine Start
Second-Stage Engine Cut Off

[Anonymous No.15802628]

>>15802620
I don't have it in full screen

[Anonymous No.15802629]

>>15802625
youtube lies about being live. set playback speed to 2x, it will let you go forward in time

[Anonymous No.15802630]

>>15802558
Before Psyche was delayed it was co-manifested with a Mars mission. The delay canceled it I think.

[Anonymous No.15802631]

engine rats!

[Anonymous No.15802632]

>>15802629
Yeah, that's a good way to catch up to the live.
It's normal to have some extra delay when you start any live stream.

[Anonymous No.15802633]

Did a booster just explode?

[Anonymous No.15802634]

one booster landing

[Anonymous No.15802636]

>>15802629
WTF I overtook Ria chan by 15s.
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.15802637]

both landed
second stage enging cutoff, 45min until next burn

[Anonymous No.15802638]

>>15802633
Yes

[Anonymous No.15802639]

impressive landing

[Anonymous No.15802640]

Alright bros now we just wait… SIX YEARS WHAT THE FUCK

[Anonymous No.15802641]

Phew I already thought they'd lost the second booster

[Anonymous No.15802642]

Why such a big difference

[Anonymous No.15802643]

[Anonymous No.15802644]

It's so satisfying seeing the boosters land so consistently nowadays

[Anonymous No.15802645]

>>15802628
Yes, he knows, alt-prntscrn takes care of that

[Anonymous No.15802646]

>>15802642
In timing? It’s deliberate. They used to land at the same time but SX realized each booster was messing with the other one’s landing

[Anonymous No.15802647]

>>15802642
Safety

[Anonymous No.15802648]

>>15802640
This is a parking orbit. Mars injection in 40 min.

[Anonymous No.15802649]

>>15802645
it didn't, you can't trick me to post my suggestions

[Anonymous No.15802650]

>>15802628
you can also right click on the video player

[Anonymous No.15802651]

>>15802646
why are they messing

[Anonymous No.15802652]

It fucking sucks that we don't get speed or altitude today.

[Anonymous No.15802653]

>>15802650
what the hell

[Anonymous No.15802654]

>>15802650
No point redirecting to a file when you can just ctrl+v clipboard into 4chanx

[Anonymous No.15802655]

>falcon heavy launch of a major NASA science mission
>not even 100 posts in /sfg/ about it
truly dead

[Anonymous No.15802656]

>>15802655
8th falcon heavy launch, its getting routine

[Anonymous No.15802657]

>>15802655
/sfg/ is for starship ONLY

[Anonymous No.15802658]

>>15802655
>major science mission
>some random rock

[Anonymous No.15802659]

>>15802646
>SX realized each booster was messing with the other one’s landing
I bet they knew from the start but did it for publicity anyway

[Anonymous No.15802660]

>>15802655
well it's just 3 falcon nines, and it got more than 3x as many posts as a f9 launch, so I'd say it's fair

[Anonymous No.15802661]

>>15802651
the landing radars on the boosters were messing with each other; they bounce a radar signal off the ground and read the return to figure out altitude and descent rate, but the radar signal from one booster was reflecting back to the other booster and causing interference. Now they land and shut down one booster's radar before the other one is close enough to be in the interference zone

[Anonymous No.15802662]

awful camera work and directing today nasa

[Anonymous No.15802663]

>>15802661
seems odd for SpaceX, this seems like something that can be solved through software

[Anonymous No.15802666]

>>15802588
She can examine my thermal systems any time.

[Anonymous No.15802668]

>>15802663
that's exactly what they did by having them land like that lol

[Anonymous No.15802669]

>>15802668
I mean the radar software, instead of altering the timing of the boosters.

[Anonymous No.15802672]

>>15802669
If the best part is no part the best code is no code.

[Anonymous No.15802674]

about 15min until burn

[Anonymous No.15802675]

Oh goddammit I hate being on Pacific time sometimes. 4am launch window on a work day, slept right through it.

[Anonymous No.15802678]

>>15802672
their fix to this solution is bloat

[Anonymous No.15802688]

>>15802663
jfc you are retarded

[Anonymous No.15802692]

[Anonymous No.15802693]

>>15802545
Humans on the moon is an end unto itself, the science was just done as an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.15802695]

wow that payload mass to deep space really drops off like a rock huh.

[Anonymous No.15802696]

>>15802525
When will we start mining it?

[Anonymous No.15802697]

second burn started on second stage

[Anonymous No.15802698]

STILL NO TELEMETRY IN ANY STREAM

[Anonymous No.15802699]

[Anonymous No.15802700]

>>15802695
Psyche is doing a faster transit to skip Venus and Earth gravity assists like Cassini used.

[Anonymous No.15802702]

MVAC shutdown
nominal payload deploy insertion

[Anonymous No.15802701]

>>15802698
You're not entitled to the telemetry

[Anonymous No.15802704]

[Anonymous No.15802705]

JPL

[Anonymous No.15802708]

below is from NSF article >>15802521

> The second stage Merlin Vacuum engine will shut down at T+8:26 minutes, and will coast for approximately 46 minutes before igniting again at T+54 minutes. This second burn will last around two minutes, with shutdown occurring at T+56:12 minutes. The second stage and Psyche will coast for a few more minutes before Psyche is deployed from the second stage at T+1:02:24 hours.

Psyche deployment should happen in about 3 minutes

[Anonymous No.15802709]

payload separation confirmed

[Anonymous No.15802711]

sep

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[Anonymous No.15802714]

>>15802705
>>15802708
a e s t h e t i c

[Anonymous No.15802715]

>>15802695
XENON ORBITAL DEPOTS

[Anonymous No.15802717]

>>15802709
>>15802712
GJ friends

[Anonymous No.15802718]

>>15802712
This one isn't coming back like Osirus-REX did
Godspeed lil buddy, and adios

[Anonymous No.15802719]

>2 people wearing masks
>all wymin and diversified people
Man that control room is quite a sight.
And JPL is the good part of NASA.

[Anonymous No.15802720]

carrier signal received (spike at the center I guess)

[Anonymous No.15802723]

>>15802719
The masked should be asked to remove their face coverings or remove themselves from the building, no tolerance for lunacy.

[Anonymous No.15802724]

[Anonymous No.15802725]

Man, covid really did a number on american schizos

[Anonymous No.15802727]

[Anonymous No.15802729]

>>15802727

[Anonymous No.15802730]

Is Psyche the largest asteroid that we ever send a spacecraft to research?

[Anonymous No.15802731]

>>15802730
depends. is ceres an asteroid?

[Anonymous No.15802732]

>>15802731
Ceres is a dwarf planet.

[Anonymous No.15802734]

>>15802725
Not just American. There's evidence suggesting it can cause brain damage.

[Anonymous No.15802737]

>>15802734
wearing a mask?

[Anonymous No.15802739]

>>15802734
Burgeristan seems to be the only place where wearing masks was a gigantic culture shock that completely broke the retards.

[Anonymous No.15802741]

When do they test out the communication laser?

[Anonymous No.15802742]

>>15802739
That's because masking forced a bunch of people to realize how much power the administrative state and private businesses had amassed and people got mad about that.

[Anonymous No.15802744]

>>15802741
probably after the solar panels deploy

[Anonymous No.15802755]

[Anonymous No.15802758]

>>15802742
Well put, US really is a country of tantruming adult children who build their entire identity around the idea of personal freedom, which they don't have. But they have armed niggers, so it kinda evens out.

[Anonymous No.15802759]

>>15802742
As opposed to the chill times when they compelled people to arms on the penalty of death.

[Anonymous No.15802762]

>>15802758
dilate

[Anonymous No.15802768]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/rocket-report-european-rockets-finally-fly-artemis-ii-rocket-issues/

Rocket Report: European rockets finally fly; Artemis II core stage issues

Small Rockets
> A Spanish rocket startup launched its first test flight.
> A Vega rocket deployed 12 satellites into polar orbit.
> Virgin Galactic maintains its monthly flight cadence.
> Astrobotic breathes new life into Masten's rocket program.
> Astra is considering selling its spacecraft propulsion division.

Medium Rockets
> ArianeGroup is seeking more taxpayer money.
> Atlas V delivers for Amazon.
> Relativity gets a major customer for Terran R.

Heavy Rockets
> NASA's Falcon Heavy era is about to begin.
> NASA is still waiting on Artemis II's core stage.

[Anonymous No.15802773]

Chinese commercial satellite firm completes high-speed laser image transmission test, New contract unlikely to significantly reduce SLS costs, $1.6B in Q3 Space Investment, Seraphim Finds
---
https://spacenews.com/chinese-commercial-satellite-firm-completes-high-speed-laser-image-transmission-test/
> HELSINKI — A Chinese satellite manufacturer and operator has conducted satellite-to-ground laser tests that will improve its ability to get remote sensing data to Earth.
> Changguang Satellite Technology (CGST) carried out the test with its Jilin-1 MF02A04 remote sensing satellite and a vehicle-mounted laser communication ground station Oct. 5.
> “The communication bandwidth of this satellite-to-ground laser image transmission test reached 10Gbps, which is more than 10 times the traditional microwave data transmission bandwidth,” Wang Xingxing, technical director of CGST laser communication ground station, said in a statement.
---
https://spacenews.com/new-contract-unlikely-to-significantly-reduce-sls-costs/
> WASHINGTON — NASA’s plans to buy future launches of the Space Launch System as a service are unlikely to achieve hoped-for cost savings, the agency’s inspector general concluded, recommending NASA keep its options open for alternative launch vehicles.
> In an Oct. 12 report, NASA’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) concluded a 50% reduction in SLS launch costs projected by NASA by moving to a services contract is “highly unrealistic,” with the vehicle’s cost likely to remain above $2 billion for the foreseeable future.
> The OIG report concluded both reduced costs and additional customers for SLS were unlikely.
---
https://payloadspace.com/1-6b-in-q3-space-investment-seraphim-finds/
> Investment in the space economy is bouncing back from the sagging markets of last year, led by a couple of mega deals centered around investors’ growing appetite for commercial space stations.

[Anonymous No.15802777]

Weird question, but when will we have plans for the ISS successor?

[Anonymous No.15802781]

>>15802777
you mean axiom station? the space station that's been in the works for years now? or perhaps gateway?
who the fuck knows that ISS is getting retired but doesn't know about NASA's other stations

[Anonymous No.15802782]

>>15802777
there are multiple coming already

[Anonymous No.15802786]

>>15802781
>>15802782
news media says nothing so my illiterate ass knows nothing. Hope one of them ends up being the launching point for future endeavors, like massive built-in-space ships that take us to mars, europa, and beyond

[Anonymous No.15802793]

>>15802786
https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-10-11-Issue-239/#cld-consolidation

that has a quick rundown

> CLD consolidation. As mentioned last week, the set of teams vying to build commercial replacements for the ISS is currently in flux. Until recently there were five main efforts: Starlab (Nanoracks, its owner Voyager Space, and more recently Airbus who is replacing Lockheed Martin) with a $160M NASA contract; Orbital Reef (Blue Origin, with Sierra Space, Amazon, Boeing, Redwire) with a $130M contract; Northrop Grumman (with Dynetics) with a $125.6M contract; Vast (privately funded); and, Axiom Space ($140M for an upcoming ISS module, with plans to later detach it to form Axiom Station, plus $228M+ for spacesuits). Northrop Grumman has now announced that they are no longer working on their own commercial space station and are instead joining the Starlab team—NASA is apparently supportive of this move. And we learned last week that Blue Origin is likely pulling out of Orbital Reef, leaving the future of that effort deeply uncertain. Blue appears to be refocusing on their NASA lunar lander contract and “a closely held in-space mobility project.” Five station efforts now appear to be three.

[Anonymous No.15802794]

>>15802768
>Astra is considering selling Apollo Fusion
That's literally their only money maker unless Rocket 4 works. Pack it up, folks. Show's over.

[Anonymous No.15802796]

>>15802755
Do you have the article? I'm curious to see what they wrote then

[Anonymous No.15802802]

>>15802796
no

[Anonymous No.15802803]

>>15801814
>I'm betting both NASA and Boeing know the thing will never work and hope that if they "delay" it long enough, congress will finally let them break the contract so the project can just dissolve and go away. No reason to keep pissing away money for something that does nothing in return.
surely they won't cancel the capsule now that it's nearly finished

[Anonymous No.15802809]

>>15802777
When they're ready. The articles linked are describing the competition to design a station NASA wants to lease space on. We don't know what the successor is, we don't know when they plan to deorbit the ISS (or even if they can do so safely, that is also being bid on) and we don't know if Axiom is going to try and Ship of Theseus a new ISS by docking detachable modules to the current station.

>>15802768
It's funny how unconcerned they are about Artemis delays because everything hinges on those Mobile Launchers being ready.

[Anonymous No.15802814]

reminder that the evacuation order for 1.1 million people in Gaza is irrelevant for spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15802815]

>>15802814
That number's expanding like the challenger already, huh

[Anonymous No.15802840]

Anything interesting happening in Israeli aerospace industry?

[Anonymous No.15802844]

>>15802478
Eternal

[Anonymous No.15802849]

>>15802803
>nearly finished
Is it?

[Anonymous No.15802851]

>>15802849
is it not? it's already flown. they just need to make some minor changes to increase the safety factor. whether or not theyre willing to do that fast is a different question

[Anonymous No.15802854]

>>15802814
I think you mean eviction

[Anonymous No.15802856]

>>15802851
>they just need to make some minor changes to increase the safety factor
That doesn't sound finished to me.

[Anonymous No.15802857]

>>15802803
>surely they won't cancel the capsule now that it's nearly finished
I'm talking about Starliner, and while its "finished" in the sense that it has flown twice and is kinda functional, it still has a lot of safety issues (specifically parachutes and wiring flaws) that are being addressed. After all of these years, if those are major issues, its not looking good. NASA has indefinitely delayed its first astronaut launch.

[Anonymous No.15802858]

>>15802856
hence the nearly

[Anonymous No.15802859]

>>15802793
BASICALLY, all new space projects are on track and all OLD (new (BO)) space projects are doa. Typical.

[Anonymous No.15802860]

Sorry, I woke up really late today
Cancel MSR

[Anonymous No.15802862]

>>15802663
>>15802669
altering the timing is simpler, easier, safer, cheaper, quicker to implement, and a cleaner solution to a physical world problem. 'delete the part' is really 'remove the complexity'

[Anonymous No.15802863]

>>15802860
putting someone in a F9 suit and placing them in the octagon for a bloodbath fight

[Anonymous No.15802865]

>>15802862
the requirement for the boosters not to land at the same time adds significant complexity.

[Anonymous No.15802868]

>>15802457
Kys

[Anonymous No.15802869]

>>15802860
how tall is tory bruno? the vulcan centaur eyehole is above his head

[Anonymous No.15802870]

>>15802860
I thought this was Armin Shimerman for a second

[Anonymous No.15802875]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712875481920397606

[Anonymous No.15802876]

>>15802875
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712875667748954165

[Anonymous No.15802877]

https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1712852584422055974

[Anonymous No.15802880]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712874457294061588

[Anonymous No.15802882]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712876491392864579

> Falcon Heavy launching @MissionToPsyche
for @NASA

[Anonymous No.15802884]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1712876751213191352

> Falcon Heavy side boosters landing

[Anonymous No.15802885]

>>15802884

[Anonymous No.15802889]

>>15802884
look at them land asynchronously

[Anonymous No.15802890]

>>15802889
very kino
this vid too >>15802880

[Anonymous No.15802894]

https://twitter.com/BrianJJi/status/1712884531857080518

> Things worth doing are not easy.

[Anonymous No.15802896]

>>15802894

[Anonymous No.15802899]

>>15802896
I think happy maracas man is a cool guy eh shakes maracas and dosent afraid of anything.

[Anonymous No.15802900]

A few days ago Egypt said it warned Israel about the attack and now even USA admits it knew about the attack before it happened. This suggests to me Israel let the attack happen so they could have a reason to invade Gaza. How do these facts affect human spaceflight?

[Anonymous No.15802902]

>>15802696
>When will we start mining it?

Starting next month.....

[Anonymous No.15802905]

>>15802900
it doesn't

[Anonymous No.15802908]

>>15802900
Nobody should give a fuck about the middle east.
Also, not spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15802915]

I love spaceflight!

[Anonymous No.15802917]

>>15802860
Kek, great advertising for vulcan.

[Anonymous No.15802918]

>>15802915
Kys skittlelover

[Anonymous No.15802920]

Another day not leaving ball earth.. Golem bros

[Anonymous No.15802922]

>>15802920
the Earth is round. Do you happen to be extremely bad at geometry?

[Anonymous No.15802925]

>>15802922
Oblate spheroid.

[Anonymous No.15802926]

Damn, didn't know that, guess the entire point of the 40 billion dollar development program, 2 billion dollars per launch and over 10 years of development was sending two 10 ton station segments into lunar orbit along with some crew and maybe some proposed modules in another 10 years.

[Anonymous No.15802927]

>>15802915
proof is in the name. CONtrails

[Anonymous No.15802931]

https://twitter.com/launcher/status/1712636548997607752
>The first fully integrated E-2 engine is ready for shipping to @NASAStennis for our upcoming full engine test campaign later this year. E-2 is a 22,000 lbf (10 tf) thrust LOX/Kerosene oxidizer-rich, staged combustion engine. Stay tuned for updates.
Why are they still developing this?

[Anonymous No.15802932]

>>15802918
No need to be upset

[Anonymous No.15802934]

This is now a Space Shuttle thread, shuttling people from Earth to Space and back since 1975

[Anonymous No.15802936]

>>15802926
>2B per launch
Its 2 billion for first stage. Another 1 B for 2nd stage and another 1 B for mobile launcher. Combined that and you get the final price of $4.2 billion per launch.

Don't fall for the fake math. Its like saying Crew mission to ISS costs $1 million dollars because you only count the cost of fuel for 1st stage of Falcon 9 and ignore the cost of 2nd stage + crew dragon itself.

[Anonymous No.15802940]

>>15802931
Looks like a monster

[Anonymous No.15802945]

>>15802926
building gateway? I thought the first module for gateway were going to be sent with falcon heavy
are there some modules that can't be sent with falcon heavy?
launching SLS is just a sunk cost fallacy after the two nearly built ones
at least he should be honest and say its staying around due to jobs

[Anonymous No.15802948]

>>15802934
*blowing up people

[Anonymous No.15802951]

>>15802945

[Anonymous No.15802952]

https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1712900210735649100

[Anonymous No.15802963]

>>15802952
they're gonna talk about Israel aren't they. I can just fucking sense it

[Anonymous No.15802966]

>>15802649
Are you not using mpv with yt-dlp

[Anonymous No.15802975]

>>15802675
The east coast solution to this problem is methamphetamine

[Anonymous No.15802977]

>>15802963
In his quest to get the jews off his back, Elon may end up going a little bit too far and piss off everyone else.

[Anonymous No.15802980]

>>15802945
Everything could be sent on Falcon Heavy, but once EUS is working SLS will have a lot of extra kg in payload budget but not enough for SLS to carry its own lander. They need to do something with the capacity they spent $10B to develop, so they'll toss some Gateway parts in there.

It's not really a sunk cost issue as much as SLS just being designed as a giant corporate welfare machine from the start.

[Anonymous No.15802981]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712907646570058217

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiz0q2B3_oE

3h 10min until launch window opens

[Anonymous No.15802984]

>>15802975
are you on it right now

[Anonymous No.15802985]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI1DYyz0r1M

[Anonymous No.15802986]

>>15802860
Do you ever think Tory sometimes invites the Mascot into his office, takes of his pants and starts pounding it in the ass, chastising it for being late and expensive as fuck?

[Anonymous No.15802987]

>>15802977
I don't think so, he has been talking about "eye for an eye leaves everyone blind" and so on

[Anonymous No.15802990]

>>15802902
Can't wait for aids in space or ace in space for the required drama

[Anonymous No.15802992]

>>15802934
>shuttling people from Earth to Space and back since 1975
and why did it stop doing that, hmmm?

[Anonymous No.15802994]

>>15802984
No

[Anonymous No.15802996]

>>15802994
have you ever been on it

[Anonymous No.15802997]

>>15802992
sometimes it made one way trips

[Anonymous No.15803000]

Daily reminder that the next Starship launch will be in late 2024 if nothing is said by the government by the end of October

[Anonymous No.15803003]

>>15803000
early to mid 2024

[Anonymous No.15803007]

>>15803000
call your representative and tell him you suck elons cock and you want starship to launch RIGHT NOW or else

[Anonymous No.15803010]

>>15802931
Engine tech is valuable in and of itself. That said it's a tiny engine compared to a Merlin so... Rutherford killer?

[Anonymous No.15803019]

>>15803007
We don't have representatives in the way it's supposed to work.

[Anonymous No.15803025]

>>15802868

[Anonymous No.15803037]

>>15802777
two years

[Anonymous No.15803039]

>>15802515
>sponsored by Chevrolet
incredible

[Anonymous No.15803040]

Another day not leaving ball earth. Goy bros..

[Anonymous No.15803042]

>>15803039
GM is desiging the next gen lunar rover though

[Anonymous No.15803043]

>>15802860
Vulcan kigurumi > > > SLS kigurumi
>>15802863
F9 would have a chance
SLS would lose unless Vulcan second stage blows up

[Anonymous No.15803045]

>>15802865
nah, just a little complexity, all you need is for one do a slightly longer reentry burn

[Anonymous No.15803048]

>>15802729
So where did they get that logo for Psyche anyhow?

[Anonymous No.15803049]

>>15803043
Starship kigu would be two stacked tomboys in a trenchcoat

[Anonymous No.15803053]

>>15803048
It was probably inspired by Lucy which went full psychedelic in its poster art

[Anonymous No.15803065]

https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1712927825957683536

> The new face of STARBASE - Image Taken: October 13, 2023

[Anonymous No.15803070]

https://twitter.com/JConcilus/status/1712842647050526808

[Anonymous No.15803072]

>>15802555
>节
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.15803073]

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1712836981128909043

liftoff vid

[Anonymous No.15803074]

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1712851996200276123

Psyche separation vid

[Anonymous No.15803075]

https://twitter.com/cnunezimages/status/1712843873293124020

> First Light - Image Taken: October 13, 2023

[Anonymous No.15803078]

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1712845911313862918

> Liftoff of Falcon Heavy with NASA’s Psyche mission headed to study a metal-rich asteroid between Mars and Jupiter!

[Anonymous No.15803081]

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1712846676941996124

> Liftoff of Falcon Heavy and NASA’s Psyche spacecraft headed to study a distant asteroid. A great moment for American space exploration

[Anonymous No.15803084]

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1712874761968120092

> 27 Merlin 1D engines propelling SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket and NASA's Psyche spacecraft toward orbit this morning

[Anonymous No.15803088]

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1712891728795947062

[Anonymous No.15803092]

>>15802619
They keep misspelling sex

[Anonymous No.15803103]

>>15802996
Not methyl

[Anonymous No.15803106]

Why is everyone talking about psyche being the first deep space use of hall thrusters?
Is this really important, or is just a fun little tidbit people are bringing up

[Anonymous No.15803108]

>>15803025
Beans

[Anonymous No.15803110]

>>15803045
The best time to do it is actually during the boostback burns

[Anonymous No.15803111]

>>15802894
Not what you want to hear right before having sex

[Anonymous No.15803117]

>>15803073
Space X should charge more for high cringe payloads

[Anonymous No.15803119]

>>15803106
it's a nasaism. Kind of like 'the most powerful rocket NASA has ever launched'. They do it all the time and it's just near-meaningless contrived PR.

[Anonymous No.15803120]

>>15803117
They aren't launching you anywhere thoughever

[Anonymous No.15803135]

The Accidental Monopoly
How SpaceX became (just about) the only game in town

https://spacenews.com/the-accidental-monopoly/
> “SpaceX is probably the monopolist right now”
>Even before the Rocket Lab failure, people were tossing around the word “monopoly” when it came to SpaceX. It had become increasingly clear that companies needing to launch their satellites in the near future had few options beyond SpaceX, particularly those spacecraft too large to launch on a small vehicle like Electron, as other launch providers stumbled.
> SpaceX’s dominance in the launch market became an unofficial theme of World Satellite Business Week, starting with the very first panel. “Having such a dominant launch service provider is probably not healthy in general for the commercial prospects of the industry,” said Vikram Nidamaluri, managing director of the telecom, media, and entertainment group at investment banking firm Lazard. “No one wants a monopoly choking off one point of the value chain.”
> He suggested that increased government investment might be needed to bolster competition in the launch market. “I think critical and continued increases in government budgets focused on space and communications are going to be essential to pushing forward technologies,” he said, “and maybe even enabling a second or third launch company.”
> Even if SpaceX has a commercial launch monopoly, a separate question is whether the company is acting like a monopolist, using its market power in an anti-competitive manner. Answers to that depend on where other companies sit in the market.
>Some small launch companies argue that SpaceX has acted anti-competitively in the market by pricing its Transporter launches so low that their vehicles can’t compete.

[Anonymous No.15803141]

>>15803135
> “SpaceX came with these Transporter missions, which have been really disrupting,” said Marino Fragnito, senior vice president of the Vega business unit at Arianespace. They have been a boon for smallsat developers, he acknowledged, offering low-cost access to space. “But at the same time, they have created a big problem in terms of the business case for all of the other players.”
> He accused SpaceX of, in effect, predatory pricing, willing to lose money on Transporter missions to drive out competition. He noted that past Vega smallsat rideshare missions sold payloads at $25,000 per kilogram, whereas SpaceX has sold Transporter launches for one-fifth that price. “It’s crazy.”
> “I think the level of pricing they introduced was not sustainable,” Fragnito concluded, suggesting it led to the demise of Virgin Orbit and financial problems at other companies. “Launcher companies could not live with that level of pricing.”
> One major commercial satellite constellation under development that has avoided SpaceX is Amazon’s Project Kuiper, which announced contracts a year and a half ago with Arianespace, Blue Origin and United Launch Alliance to launch its 3,236-satellite constellation. However, those contracts involve vehicles that have, so far, yet to perform a single launch.
> Amazon is now facing a shareholder lawsuit because of those launch contracts. The suit, filed in a Delaware court in August by a Cleveland-based pension fund that owns Amazon stock, argued that Amazon’s board failed to perform proper due diligence in approving those launch contracts, in part because Amazon, founded by Jeff Bezos, was funding Blue Origin, also owned by Jeff Bezos.

[Anonymous No.15803144]

>>15803141
>arianespace boomer doesn't understand that 0 pork and reusability lowers prices
It will never cease to amaze me that they continue to deny that reusability is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.15803143]

>>15803141
> The first Ariane 6 launch is now planned for some time in 2024, but Stéphane Israël, chief executive of Arianespace, said a more specific date would come only after a long-duration static-fire test of the Ariane 6 core stage in French Guiana, then scheduled for Oct. 3.
>However, ESA announced Sept. 21 that test would be delayed because of a problem with the thrust vector control system in the rocket. The agency did not announce a new date for the test.
>Jarrett Jones, senior vice president for New Glenn at Blue Origin, was also vague about a first launch of New Glenn other than that the company planned “multiple” launches of the vehicle next year.
>“We intend to meet our contractual requirements in ’24,” he said. Blue Origin’s New Glenn contracts include one with NASA for the launch of the ESCAPADE Mars smallsat mission, which project officials have previously said is planned for August 2024.
> The risks of a single failure are magnified for a dominant launch provider like SpaceX. “A fleet-wide disruption to the Falcon 9 fleet for an issue of some type will have a big ripple effect,” warned John Rood, chief executive of Momentus, which has flown its tugs on Transporter missions. While he said he admired SpaceX’s reliability record, “we’ve all been in the space industry for a while. Things will happen. This will not be perfect.”

[Anonymous No.15803146]

>>15803106
It's proof that they stopped buying gridded ion thrusters, which is good because they suck.

>>15803144
They know, but they can't admit it, because the pork is the point. Anyone still using SRBs is doing it to keep missile production lines running.

[Anonymous No.15803147]

If NASA contracted the construction of SLS to Spacex, how many Artemis missions would have flown by now

[Anonymous No.15803149]

>>15803147
This question misunderstands the purpose of SLS. NASA was required by law to use all the old shuttle contractors and most of the parts. SpaceX would rightly have said "that architecture is retarded, we'll just build Starship instead".

[Anonymous No.15803150]

>>15803141
>SpaceX is so much cheaper than everyone else
>Are they an anti-competitive monopoly?!
No. Get good, scrubs.

[Anonymous No.15803151]

>>15803150
the unsaid accusation here is that they are price dumping and not actually that competitive (artificially lowering prices and selling the services for a loss using investor money)

[Anonymous No.15803152]

>>15803150
>scrubs
yep, SpaceX is pretty good at those

[Anonymous No.15803153]

>>15803149
They fixed the two most retarded problems with the architecture- moved the crew out of the path of guaranteed debris during ascent and gave them an escape system

[Anonymous No.15803156]

>>15803153
$160 million in expendable engines per flight

[Anonymous No.15803158]

>>15803135
>>15803141
>>15803143
>>15803144
If you go back to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4

SpaceX began conducting hop tests for landing and iteration research purposes. Their Grasshoper video from TEN YEARS AGO, literally in the description says:
>Grasshopper is a 10-story Vertical Takeoff Vertical Landing (VTVL) vehicle designed to test the technologies needed to return a rocket back to Earth intact.

The entire industry has had 10 years to make peace with the fact that SpaceX was serious about reusability of the first stage. Then in 2016: https://youtu.be/ANv5UfZsvZQ

They landed their first Falcon 9 booster, after trying half a dozen times with center cores after a successful mission delivery. Then you have Elon making public statements about this: "Musk contends rocket reusability is key to shaving launch costs and making space more accessible."
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/06/spacex-lands-reusable-rocket-for-second-time

And he hasn't stopped talking about it since. Not with Falcon 9, Full Thrust, Block 5, Falcon Heavy, and now Starship. And yet the nobody in the launch market has been serious about re-usability 7 years after the fact. So its completely insane to me that SpaceX would get labelled as monopolist. Its kinda like a guy comes along and makes a glass to hold water and shows you exactly how to make a glass to hold water, and then starts using that glass to move water or drink with it, and everyone else in the village calls him a monopolist asshole because they'd rather use their hands than make a glass instead.

[Anonymous No.15803163]

I'm worried you science golems will never leave this planet.

[Anonymous No.15803170]

>>15803141
>competition actually decreasing prices for customers is bad somehow
Anyways I'm pretty sure F9 is flying at current prices in the first place because there's no competition.

[Anonymous No.15803171]

>>15803151
They very much could be.
Of course the extent of SpaceX price dumping is mearly not raking in as much money as they could be, probably anyway.

This is the conclusion that these retards would be most afraid of.

[Anonymous No.15803172]

>>15803158
It's less mustache-twirling villain and more a de-facto realization that if it's going into space, it's going via SpaceX. Because it's the only launch provider flying: Atlas Vs? Spoken for and retired (I wouldn't rule out someone paying Amazon a lot of money for a slot). DIV/H? Retired. Ariane 5? Done. Vega? Retired, and Vega-C is grounded indefinitely. Soyuz/literally anything Russian? Lol, lmao. Japan, India, South Korea? Nothing. China? Even if you were desperate, you're guaranteed to get your IP stolen if you're not American, or get ITAR violations if you are. Rocket Lab is currently grounded until they can fix Electron. And even if all the prototype rockets magically started flying tomorrow, Amazon would buy all the launches available that same day.

[Anonymous No.15803175]

>>15803135
It's always incredible that even with heavy subsidies Arianespace remains uncompetetive AND that they have the gall to complain about it.

[Anonymous No.15803180]

>>15803172
India's got the LVM3 - PSLV - SSLV line up. Availability isn't spectacular compared to SpaceX, but they're all out of development and in service which is more than anyone else can say.

[Anonymous No.15803194]

>>15803171
I don't think taking lower profits per launch in hopes the market is elastic and thus getting more business in total and more total profit is really price dumping
they would have to purposefully sell below cost (so lose money with every launch) and do this so other providers go bankrupt and then increase prices after they are the only one left
so create a monopoly using anti-competitive methods
but this isn't what they have done as far as I understand

[Anonymous No.15803198]

>>15803194
It's what foreign companies did to the US so they assume it's payback.

[Anonymous No.15803201]

>>15803180
They did just spin up their commercial launch organization too. They've got an opportunity to launch rockets as fast as they can make them, but there's no sign they want to do that.

[Anonymous No.15803205]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiz0q2B3_oE

T-32 for starlink launch

[Anonymous No.15803207]

>>15803171
SpaceX is cash-flow positive despite the massive outlays of Starlink and Starship, and that does not count investor dollars. SpaceX are making a lot of money off their launch business.

[Anonymous No.15803208]

>>15803172
That's the outcome, yes; but that's not my point. SpaceX isn't a monopoly. Because to call it a monopoly, you'd then have to also evaluate why the other providers have failed to bring any equivalent capability to the market; and then the truth comes out that leadership at nearly every single provider is outright refusing to engage in concepts of reusability. They had a decade, and nobody tried. It's one thing to have tried and failed, but the biggest insult to entire aerospace market, is that nobody outside of SpaceX tried.

And nobody in any position of leadership and political influence is interested in calling out this incompetence.

[Anonymous No.15803216]

>>15803208
When a single company generates a massive competitive advantage that destroys the competition through business merits alone, it's still a monopoly, but monopolies born from this are entirely legal. If SpaceX used their position to try and prevent people from making reusable rockets, that'd be another thing, but this is one of the examples showing why monopolies aren't illegal.

[Anonymous No.15803225]

>>15803205
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712960607534854587

T-8 min

[Anonymous No.15803226]

>>15802259
Very weird feeling when multiple of my autisms meet. Today the Supreme Court granted certiorari to a case about government retaliation against someone exercising their rights to speech and petition. A city council member, Sylvia Gonzalez, was elected on the promise of getting the city manager fired. She was arrested for mishandling government records when she put a petition in her binder, allegedly because of her opposition to the city manager. So she sued the mayor for retaliating against her 1st amendment rights. The case is called Gonzalez v. Trevino. That name sound familiar? The mayor in question, Edward Trevino II, is now a county judge in Cameron County, Texas, the very same judge who issues all the road closure orders for Starbase.

[Anonymous No.15803232]

>>15803225
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1712965688246378522

Official stream live
T-4

[Anonymous No.15803235]

>>15803232
lol the quality is so shit that the text is unreadable lmaooo

[Anonymous No.15803237]

[Anonymous No.15803238]

>>15803232
>click link @ t-3 second
NICE

[Anonymous No.15803240]

>>15802655
Some stupid neuralink stream flooded /sfg/ once
This general exists for one main thing and it's not what you and me wish it was.

[Anonymous No.15803241]

has anyone done the math on how much money spacex actually saves by booster recovery? if its a lot why dont any other established companies plan on doing it?

[Anonymous No.15803242]

>>15803241
Booster prob costs ~30M a piece, new. For refurbishment/landing/refuel, the total prob isn't more than $5M.

[Anonymous No.15803248]

its just that easy

[Anonymous No.15803250]

>>15803248
The no pr bullshit mission call outs make these maximum comfy. non chalant mars landings in our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.15803251]

>>15803242
Why does ULA seem to have no interest whatsoever in ripping off falcon? Surely they must see the benefits too

[Anonymous No.15803253]

>>15803250
Yep. The super routine streams are good call. Probably a directive from Musk or someone who thinks like him.

[Anonymous No.15803254]

>>15803251
1) Management issue
2) Lack of motivation (management)
3) Pride

[Anonymous No.15803255]

>>15803251
It's too late now to catch up so people are just taking their current launch systems and trying to ride investors until Starship goes commercial and everyone dies.

[Anonymous No.15803257]

>>15803241
ULA isn't planning on it because lowering launch costs wouldn't magically create more NRO spysat launches, and even with cheaper rockets they'd never bothered to try competing with Arianespace on price. Arianespace doesn't try because they're a multinational jobs program and reuse cuts down on the work and funding they can dole out. Japan doesn't really care since they're only interested in a fairly cheap domestic launcher for government projects. India has ideas, but they're underfunded overall and running behind the curve overall. Russia isn't serious about it because they can't compete commercially anymore so they're in the same boat as ULA. China is serious about it but they're going slow because they can't just hire a bunch of ex-SpaceX employees to pad out their engineering staff. Rocket Lab, Stoke, and Blue Origin are all serious about it but still have a ways to go on their respective timelines.

[Anonymous No.15803258]

>>15803251
ULA exists to keep Boing! and Lockmart in the space hardware business. If either company cracked reusability they'd do it as a spaceplane and leave ULA to die on the vine.

[Anonymous No.15803264]

>>15803257
Relativity is serious too and europe has some a number of smallsat launchers coming, I'm pretty sure one or a number of them will eventually develop a falcon 9 clone
Japan has started looking at a reusable system but its going to take a while, Arianespace has maia but not really confident in them (too much old bloated bureucracy and i doubt they can reform just like it would be difficult for ULA to transform itself into something like SpaceX)

[Anonymous No.15803265]

>>15803248
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1712969203571908627

[Anonymous No.15803266]

>>15802584
I translated the page and got
"An unexpected national project! ? I became the PR character for the Space Development and Utilization Award! There will also be a live broadcast of the launch!"

The page for the award suggests it's a Japanese space industry achievement recognition type deal that may or may not be a way for the government to scout talent for JAXA. Either way if ispace doesn't get at least one I'd be shocked. Ditto for that guy trying to do private Japanese launches

[Anonymous No.15803267]

>>15802860
>>15803043
The CHAD Starship

[Anonymous No.15803268]

>>15803251
They can't. ULA is a merger of the space launch divisions of Boeing and Lockheed. Back in 2005 Boeing got caught in the cool crime of industrial espionage against Lockheed during the EELV Buy 2 competition, and there was the risk that they'd get shut out of government launches for a while as a result. Boeing would then shut down their space launch division since the Delta IV hadn't attracted any commercial contracts that would justify keeping the line alive but not working for most of a decade. That'd leave the RD-180 powered Atlas V the only domestic way to get government payloads into orbit, so Washington decided that the best thing to do was merge the two divisions into a separate monopoly, because that would ensure low prices somehow.

Some nobody named Elon Musk said that was a very dumb idea, but Mr. Paypal hadn't even launched the Falcon 1 yet so no one listened to him.

Ownership of the resulting corporate travesty is split 50/50 between Lockheed and Boeing, so they can't make any major decisions without both Mommy and Daddy singing off on it. Boeing in particular won't agree to anything that threatens their other aerospace interests. ULA talked a lot about depots a decade ago but that got squished because it was a direct threat to the viability of SLS, which is managed by Boeing. They're also just a final assembly site for a mess of subcontractors which doesn't help things. The Atlas V, Delta IV, and Vulcan have never had engines that were developed in-house.

[Anonymous No.15803273]

Clear is now the PR character for the "Space Development and Utilization Award"
Congratulations!
https://www.s-riyoutaishou.jp/
https://www8.cao.go.jp/space/prize/prize.html

[Anonymous No.15803284]

>>15803273
y do japen do dis
y invent aniime
y dey do dis

[Anonymous No.15803285]

>>15803273
The absolute state of the Japanese space program

[Anonymous No.15803290]

>>15803284
If you think this is silly they put anime shit on everything, including JSDF vehicles

[Anonymous No.15803296]

>>15803290
What's wrong with drawing hot women on your military aircraft? We did that shit back in WW2 and it was cool then.

[Anonymous No.15803301]

>>15803296
ayy I'm two of the posts in there

[Anonymous No.15803302]

>>15803273
Sorry to open this can of worms again but this is evidence of her actually being a girl in my opinion kek

[Anonymous No.15803305]

>>15803273
so proud of my wife :)

[Anonymous No.15803312]

>>15803273
Basado

[Anonymous No.15803331]

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1712978368063500504

[Anonymous No.15803332]

>>15803331
I can't believe they wasted an entire Atlas V on two tiny fucking Amazon smallsats

That's truly awe-inspiring waste

[Anonymous No.15803335]

>>15803332
I would be pissed if I was an a big Amazon shareholder. All this money pissed away and delayed so hard they will probably lose their licence just because Bezos is a seething faggot.

[Anonymous No.15803338]

>>15803194
>I don't think taking lower profits per launch in hopes the market is elastic and thus getting more business in total and more total profit is really price dumping
Just depends on how disgustingly efficient you are.
As an example making 10% margin vs 30% (if SpaceX was priced "correctly") could have the same effect as a price dump even if you're in the black.

>>15803207
Like I said it all depends how good SpaceX is.
You wouldn't have to be negative to price dump your competition out, not even saying SpaceX would deliberately do it but it would be a really fucked situation to be priced so low thay they would potentially stand formally accused of being anticompetitive but margins on flights are good.
It would probably never get that far in an actual lawsuit but as more idiots get irritated at SpaceX supremacy the more likely this situation is.

[Anonymous No.15803341]

Have other launch providers tried not being useless cocksucking gremlins?

[Anonymous No.15803347]

>>15803335
There had to be more than a few people who wanted to launch on a Falcon, but there were probably more than a few executives pointing out that doing that could lend some weight to the shareholder lawsuit.

[Anonymous No.15803353]

>>15803338
Dumping doesn't begin until it's below the normal value of the product to price the competitors out of the market, therefor SpaceX would have to be proven to be charging a lower price and lower margins than they otherwise expect to be guilty of the practice. Still, I can see why Europe's aerospace program directors would say such a thing; aerospace has been a happy pork barrel for a long time, and SpaceX is on a mission that's ruining it.

[Anonymous No.15803366]

>>15803332
Im kind of out of the loop. Isnt this supposed to be a starlink competitor? How tf are they gonna provide internet with such small payloads?

[Anonymous No.15803367]

>>15803366
The two sats that were launched were test sats to validate their tech works in space and survives launch

They were initially going to go on a smallsat launcher

[Anonymous No.15803370]

>>15803367
Ahh ok, that makes a little more sense i suppose. Its still gonna take them way too long to set up a network when starlink is already operational in a large portion of the world, but i guess he has to try because he's bezos.

[Anonymous No.15803381]

>>15803370
I don’t know if this is a serious factor or not, but everyone focuses on their 2026 FCC deadline. Apparently they need half their constellation in orbit by then

[Anonymous No.15803384]

>>15803381
Absolutely zero chance they meet this deadline kek.

[Anonymous No.15803386]

>>15803381
How many would their full constellation be?

[Anonymous No.15803387]

>>15803384
What is the most likely scenario if they miss this? SpaceX snatches their slots?

[Anonymous No.15803389]

probe wishlist (in order)
1. ceres lander
2. uranus/neptune orbiter
3. titan mariner (fuck you dragonfly)
4. jupiter suicide probe (drop thru clouds)
5. callisto orbiter (for colony locations)
6. enceladus lander (drop through the ravines)
anything else is either too impractical, or stupid and pointless. enceladus "lander" is pushing the impracticality which is why its at the bottom.

[Anonymous No.15803390]

>>15803387
they'll just get an extension

[Anonymous No.15803400]

>>15803389
>Ceres lander over Jupiter cloud probe and Titan submersible

What is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.15803403]

>>15803400
personal connection, also jupiter cloud probe wouldnt last as long as a lander and titan already has dragonfly going, which as much as i FUCKIGN DESPISE that mission makes it hard to justify an immediate return with a submersible.

[Anonymous No.15803423]

>>15802490
that big peak in 2021 is the vax controversy and the subsequent fall off in traffic afterwards was everyone finally realizing that all the same patterns of lying and manipulation that were used by the vaxxxies also pervade all other aspects of soiyence, the first big peak this year was starship and the other one was the fake superconductor controversy.

[Anonymous No.15803430]

>>15803389
I'm a big Ceres fan but she doesn't deserve a lander. net yet. Mercury and several of the Jovian moons should come first

[Anonymous No.15803452]

how accurate was the falcon heavy?
did nasa/spacex comment on it?

[Anonymous No.15803455]

>Falcon Heavy launch
>I feel nothing
Where has the excitement gone bros? Was my autistic interest in spaceflight just a passing thing?

[Anonymous No.15803457]

>>15803455
cringe adhd zoomer brain

[Anonymous No.15803465]

>>15803455
there was a falcon heavy launch? where was the youtube notification?

[Anonymous No.15803478]

>>15803455
Falcon Heavy was 5 years ago

[Anonymous No.15803487]

>>15803455
Distracted by WW3

[Anonymous No.15803494]

>>15803331
Tory Bruno more like Tory FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.15803540]

Fellas, if we could only find a way to harness Robert Zubrin’s seethium levels right now.
We could make alpha centauri in a year

[Anonymous No.15803543]

>>15803540
i wouldnt dare check his xitter after recent events

[Anonymous No.15803546]

>>15803455
This is the fourth FH launch this year, it's essentially been normalized now.

[Anonymous No.15803548]

>>15803546
the double landing is still fucking great

[Anonymous No.15803600]

Alpha centauri anon is that you? Or just some other dickhead

[Anonymous No.15803605]

>>15803455
Maybe this'll help
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1712934888285110321

[Anonymous No.15803614]

Envirotroons are banned from Mars, anyone who advocates for "terraforming" is just using the aluring end result to get a thousand year gravy train running while no actual change happens in our time, and they ruin the colony.

[Anonymous No.15803658]

>>15803455
/sfg/ understands you are bored with your current rocket waifu and are hungry for a newer, better model

/sfg/ also understands that despite SpaceX moving at breakneck speed the past decade, and all our jokes about two weeks, the traditional rocket industry timeline is measured in decades. Ariane 6 is getting developed in record time compared to 5 (1985 to 1996), although Vulcan is taking longer than Atlas V (1994 to 2002). Hang in there.

[Anonymous No.15803700]

>>15803658
>>15803455
>2 more decades
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

[NEO YOKIO !rK577T/gEI No.15803712]

>>15803241
the reason other companies don't do it is because before the falcon 9, they thought it was impossible, and they had no incentive to innovate since it's really hard for startups to break into the launcher market

[Anonymous No.15803722]

>>15803455
I don't watch them anymore either. It's just the same thing every time. And that's a good thing, I'm not worried about things going wrong, spare maybe a scrub. This peace is what all true warriors strive for. I dream of the day that I will feel the same way about Starship launches.

>>15803465
SpaceX don't stream launches to YouTube anymore. Only X.

[Anonymous No.15803743]

SpaceX missed the chance to launch during the eclipse...

[Anonymous No.15803754]

>>15803614
Also astronomers. All telescopes must remain in orbit.

[Anonymous No.15803757]

>>15803722
>Only on X
Based

[Anonymous No.15803776]

Yesterday I got banned for going a bit off topic. This post also serves to check if I'm still banned

[Anonymous No.15803779]

Is releasing dust into orbit with rockets a feasible way to reduce sunlight. I just hope all the dust deorbits after a while, and doesn't end up in higher orbits or something like that

[Anonymous No.15803791]

>>15803779
it is feasible. A much easier way is to spray chemtrails in the upper stratosphere.

[Anonymous No.15803825]

syckee is on its way

[Anonymous No.15803852]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFX3UUtScC0

https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/

Eclipse today in USA
old posts about it taken from the website above >>15796041

[Anonymous No.15803853]

>>15803852
should be over starbase in around 5 hours
the NSF livestream starts in 3h

[Anonymous No.15803856]

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

no launches for a while now (sometimes launches get added though so there could be a starlink launch before 26 maybe)

[Anonymous No.15803864]

NASA just launched the Psyche mission—no one knows what it will find, NASA launches Psyche mission to metal world
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasa-is-about-to-launch-a-mission-of-pure-discovery-to-a-metal-asteroid/
> Psyche is going to a metal world with plasma engines and lasers. It's not sci-fi.
> CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida—A roughly 3-ton spacecraft launched Friday from NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida to begin a six-year trip to an enigma in the asteroid belt, an unusual metallic world the size of Massachusetts that could hold clues about the formation of Earth and other rocky planets.
> The Psyche mission was supposed to launch last year, but NASA grounded the spacecraft after it became clear it wasn't ready to fly. Managers blamed a blend of workforce issues and software testing woes for the delay.
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-launches-psyche-mission-to-metal-world/
WASHINGTON — A NASA spacecraft is finally on its way to a metallic main belt asteroid after a successful Falcon Heavy launch Oct. 13.
> “There would have been a potential risk of overheating the thrusters and damaging them” if the parameters were not changed, Henry Stone, Psyche project manager at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, said at an Oct. 11 briefing. “It was a serious issue that we had to deal with.”
> Psyche’s delay also affected Janus, an asteroid smallsat mission that was to fly as a secondary payload on the launch. The delay meant that Janus could not fly its original mission to go by two pairs of binary asteroids, and the mission could not find suitable alternative targets with its revised trajectory. NASA announced in July it was canceling Janus and putting the completed spacecraft in storage.

ok so there was supposed to be a secondary payload, but the delay fucked that

[Anonymous No.15803865]

>>15803455
I'm still a bit stressed when watching Falcon Heavy launches especially this one because even if there a lot of commonality with F9, it was only the 8th launch and I really want to see Psyche

[Anonymous No.15803866]

NASA should consider commercial alternatives to SLS, inspector general says; Ligado sues US government for using its roadblocked 5G spectrum
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/inspector-general-on-nasas-plans-to-reduce-sls-costs-highly-unrealistic/
> In recent years NASA has acknowledged that its large Space Launch System rocket is unaffordable and has sought to bring its costs down to a more reasonable level. The most recent estimate is that it costs $2.2 billion to build a single SLS rocket, and this does not include add-ons such as ground systems, integration, a payload, and more.
> Broadly speaking, NASA's cost-reduction plan is to transfer responsibility for production of the rocket to a new company co-owned by Boeing and Northrop Grumman, which are key contractors for the rocket. This company, "Deep Space Transport," would then build the rockets and sell them to NASA. The space agency has said that this services-based model could reduce the cost of the rocket by as much as 50 percent.
> Digging into Martin's report, it's not difficult to see why. The SLS rocket is powered by four main engines derived from the Space Shuttle program. The cost of these four engines is $582.7 million, or $146 million per engine. This means that a single engine on NASA's rocket costs roughly the same amount that the space agency paid for an entire mission on the Falcon Heavy rocket—$178 million for the Europa Clipper spacecraft.

A single SLS engine costs as much as a Falcon Heavy launch
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https://spacenews.com/ligado-sues-us-government-for-using-its-roadblocked-5g-spectrum/
> “This case concerns the largest uncompensated taking of private property by our nation’s government in modern times,” Ligado said in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

[Anonymous No.15803874]

UK’s Asteroid Mining Corp. unveils SCAR-E robot, Space Force to create ‘system deltas’ to sync space tech with operator needs
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https://spacenews.com/uks-asteroid-mining-corp-unveils-scar-e-robot/
> LOS ANGELES – In spite of its name, the Asteroid Mining Corp. is not banking on the space resources market materializing anytime soon.
> “We are a robotics company with asteroid-mining aspirations,” Mitch Hunter-Scullion, Asteroid Mining Corp. CEO and founder, said Oct. 11 at the Space Economy Summit here. “Space resources is a very exciting industry. But it’s one which, let’s be honest, isn’t currently existing fully into its mature sense.”
> “We are coming for you Boston Dynamics,” Hunter-Scullion said. “You have four legs. We have six. Our go-to-market strategy is to go to the industrial inspection market and go to places which four legged robots cannot.”
> “If you wanted to go into the Shackleton crater on the moon, you’re not going to be to get there with wheels,” Hunter-Scullion said.
> “We are looking for International Space Station and lunar applications for this very robot in about 2026, 2027,” Hunter-Scullion said. “Beyond that, we’d be looking to validate target selection for an expedition-class mission. Then, towards the end of this decade, if not the early 2030s, we’d be looking to send this very robot or its son up to the asteroids in order to start exploring the resources so the humanity can take advantage of our celestial backyard.”
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https://spacenews.com/space-force-to-create-system-deltas-to-sync-space-tech-with-operator-needs/
> Two new units — one for electronic warfare and one for positioning, navigation and timing (PNT) — will be organized under the Space Systems Command

[Anonymous No.15803879]

so will the asteroid Psyche have chunks of metal on it's surface

[Anonymous No.15803883]

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1712980546186600689

> Interviewception…

[Anonymous No.15803885]

>>15802952
If only there was an long from interview with Musk with someone who actually knows hardware. We have heard all of his AI, philosophy, origins etc stories.

[Anonymous No.15803887]

>>15803885
he has had interviews with lex before, so I doubt its going to be the same old shit again
maybe new angles to them

[Anonymous No.15803889]

>>15803885
he probably doesn't wanna draw attention to his lack of engineering talent.

[Anonymous No.15803899]

>>15803889
yes its blind luck

[Anonymous No.15803926]

>>15803885
We know the level of his engineering knowledge.
He can hold peer conversations with rocketry hobbyists of highschool dropout background.
Source: estronaut interviews

[Anonymous No.15803936]

>>15803926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg

well there are other interviews with technical talk

[Anonymous No.15803938]

>>15803936
Ok but cars are not spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15803940]

>>15803938
nice goalpost moving lmao

[Anonymous No.15803943]

>>15803940
Calm down schizo.
There is no argument nor disagreement here.
Just a reminder to stay on-topic.

[Anonymous No.15803945]

>>15803943
the topic was "are there interviews where musk shows engineering knowledge"
there are

[Anonymous No.15803946]

>>15803945
This is spaceflight general.
Not musk general.

[Anonymous No.15803948]

>>15803946
manufacturing knowledge extends to manufacturing spacecraft you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.15803958]

>>15803948
shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15803963]

>>15803958
how mad are you on a scale of 1-10?

[Anonymous No.15803978]

>>15803135
Disgusting lies. Monopolies are harmful to the extent they harm innovation and harm competition. Space X is the only serious launch provider precisely because they outcompeted others by innovating. And the result is a tremendous benefit to their customers and consumers generally.

[Anonymous No.15803986]

>>15803776
there's other ways to check without looking like a total faggot
hint: you can't report posts when banned

[Anonymous No.15803991]

>>15803978

This. It's important to distinguish between natural monopolies, in which monopoly profits are an incentive to clear a very high barrier to entry or are less wasteful than having a competitor (such as two large utility companies in a small geographic region), and artificial monopolies sustained by government involvement in the market

[Anonymous No.15803998]

>>15803991
>>15803978
spacex isnt profitable and basically scams the government to keep out competition. Refurbishing a falcon 9 is the same price as making a new rocket and how do you even know they refly the same boosters? you trust them?? (LOL)

[Anonymous No.15804001]

>>15803998
So even assuming the worst it is a cheaper scam to the government than ULA since they charge so much less for launches. Great argument.

[Anonymous No.15804004]

>>15804001
Price for launches is irrelivant because SpaceX gets astronomical amounts insubsidies. Look for example at the 4 billion subsidy they got to build a lunar lander which will never happen

[Anonymous No.15804019]

>>15804004
That's not a subsidy, that's a competitive bid that they won. A subsidy would be some additional money over the cost of something. You might argue the extra money comes in the premium that SpaceX charges NASA and other government contracts, but they often stipulate extra things in their contracts like new fairings, priority or special handling.

[Anonymous No.15804023]

>>15804019
stop feeding the troll dumbass

[Anonymous No.15804027]

>>15803998
>SpaceX director of vehicle integration Christopher Couluris said during a briefing this year that reusing rockets can bring prices lower, adding that it "costs $28 million to launch it, that’s with everything."
>In terms of the marginal costs, the costs associated with producing just one extra rocket, Musk also recently shed some further light on the figures. In an interview with Aviation Week in May, Musk listed the marginal cost of a Falcon 9 at $15 million in the best case. He also listed the cost of refurbishing a booster at $1 million. This would fit with Musk's most recent claim that the costs of refurbishment make up less than 10 percent of the booster costs.
If falcon launches cost 28 million internally, they are getting great margins for every commerical launch. But the majority of their launches are for Starlink so they're willing to take a loss on them now to make larger profits from Starlink subscribers in the future.
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-elon-musk-falcon-9-economics

[Anonymous No.15804034]

>>15803455
The only excitement is Starship and that's being shutdown by the FAA/Biden admin

[Anonymous No.15804039]

>>15804034
It's fine. The new cold war is kicking in to high gear. I wouldn't expect intentional regulatory sabotage, if it exists, to last very long.

[Anonymous No.15804046]

>>15804039
I will only get excited when we get a new president and new admins leading the FAA. I dont trust the current political regime as they've been instrument in delaying Starship for more than 2 years now.

[Anonymous No.15804053]

>>15803614
based, always hated terraforming as a concept.

[Anonymous No.15804064]

>>15803852
Time for me to go find a spot to watch it, I hope they get some decent kino down there in Boca Chica, since it's a little off the path

[Anonymous No.15804067]

soon bros

[Anonymous No.15804068]

>>15803852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlY79zjud-Q

NASA has a broadcast about this too apparently
starts in 45 min
NSF stream starts in 30min

[Anonymous No.15804090]

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1712971023446909044

[Anonymous No.15804098]

>>15804090

[Anonymous No.15804104]

https://twitter.com/TheRocketFuture/status/1713208234356674604

Solar eclipse live, if people cant see it

[Anonymous No.15804107]

>>15804104

[Anonymous No.15804108]

>>15804107
6 viewers lol

[Anonymous No.15804111]

>>15804104
1h 40min until ring of fire

[Anonymous No.15804115]

>>15804111
~4-5 mins till eclipse

[Anonymous No.15804116]

>>15803852
> The October 14 annular solar eclipse will cross North, Central, and South America. It will be visible in parts of the US, Mexico, and countries throughout South and Central America. In this event, the Moon will cover part of the Sun, and will move in front of it for a period of time.
>The annular solar eclipse begins in Oregon at 9.13 a.m. PDT (16:13 UTC) and ends in Texas at 12:03 p.m. CDT (17:03 UTC). We will bring you live views from our robotic assets and photographers in the field.

NSF stream should be starting now, but they are late

[Anonymous No.15804122]

>>15804116
started

[Anonymous No.15804124]

>>15804122
an hour or two before it is seen on cameras

[Anonymous No.15804126]

[Anonymous No.15804128]

abq view, at balloon fest rn

[Anonymous No.15804131]

>>15804122
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1713213626079654294

X gon give it to ya. X logo on the sun itself.

[Anonymous No.15804132]

>>15804067
soon what

[Anonymous No.15804134]

>>15804098
he's going to the moon in circa 7 years, Starship program is already much slower than Apollo

[Anonymous No.15804138]

>>15804132
eclipse

[Anonymous No.15804140]

>>15804134
Biden delayed the program by ~2 years already, possibly going into 3-4 years delay.

[Anonymous No.15804142]

>>15804138
post balon

[Anonymous No.15804148]

The eclipse path goes straight through boca chica

[Anonymous No.15804149]

>>15804142
this was earlier, breeze picked up so all are packed up or landed now

[Anonymous No.15804152]

>>15804149
These can't control where they're going can't they

[Anonymous No.15804154]

>>15804138
I realized at 9AM today that I don't have a solar filter for my camera. Oh well, the total eclipse in April will be superior anyway.

[Anonymous No.15804157]

>>15804154
Artificial intelligence is out of control

[Anonymous No.15804159]

>>15804152
my aunt used to work for FAA in ABQ and one year a guy landed in the FAA parking lot

[Anonymous No.15804162]

>>15804157
It's become really tiresome, /pol/ is full of this.

[Anonymous No.15804166]

NASA stream has been live for a while

[Anonymous No.15804168]

[Anonymous No.15804170]

>>15804166
the fuck is that white hose

[Anonymous No.15804171]

[Anonymous No.15804172]

Another day not leaving ball earth.. Golem bros

[Anonymous No.15804174]

>>15804172
why do you think the Earth is flat

[Anonymous No.15804176]

>>15804172
how do you explain solar eclipses?

[Anonymous No.15804177]

>>15804174
>>15804176
Don't reply to the bot

[Anonymous No.15804180]

>>15804170
Seems they're the fill lines and they just leave them attached.

[Anonymous No.15804182]

>>15804176
Moon goes between the Earth and Sun

[Anonymous No.15804184]

>>15804157
AI will replace rocket scientists by 2040.

[Anonymous No.15804188]

>>15804182
total flerfer death

[Anonymous No.15804195]

[Anonymous No.15804200]

[Anonymous No.15804206]

https://twitter.com/JonErlichman/status/1712910143686324511

[Anonymous No.15804208]

>>15803240
What do you wish it was for? Space programs that are afraid to go to space? Decades long missions to look at rocks?

Old space deserves to die.
Old space must die.
Old space will die.
And it will be a long, stupid suicide.

[Anonymous No.15804209]

[Anonymous No.15804210]

>>15804206
Partial success so far.

[Anonymous No.15804211]

>>15804206
>tfw musk hairline without musk money to fix it

[Anonymous No.15804214]

what made the space shuttle orbiter so expensive and why will spacex succeed where the orbiter failed?

[Anonymous No.15804215]

Starting to get a little dim outside.

[Anonymous No.15804217]

better

[Anonymous No.15804216]

>>15804214
idiotic architecture, forced to have jobs in random states, cost+ incentivizes higher costs

[Anonymous No.15804218]

left albequerque, right starbase

[Anonymous No.15804221]

>>15803302
Men dressing up like women and getting fucked by their fans before going home to the wife and kids is in fact traditional Japanese culture.

[Anonymous No.15804222]

[Anonymous No.15804223]

>>15804222

[Anonymous No.15804224]

[Anonymous No.15804225]

>Americans will have another eclipse next year
what the fuck
it's unfair

[Anonymous No.15804226]

>>15804216
SpaceX manufactures their engines in California and transports them to Texas so they too have the transport costs asociated with using multiple states

[Anonymous No.15804228]

https://twitter.com/ThePlanetaryGuy/status/1712923017926316374

> This is a new, global colour-composite image of Mars, from @ESA's Mars Express High-Resolution Stereo Camera.
>It's 4096×2048, so embiggen for maximum effect.

[Anonymous No.15804229]

>>15803712
Kill yourself :^)

[Anonymous No.15804231]

>>15804225
they can't keep getting away with it

[Anonymous No.15804232]

>>15804228
wtf it's flat???

[Anonymous No.15804235]

>>15804226
the problem is not the transportation costs, but being forced to use certain states or subcontractors even if it makes no sense
and if some of them are shit, much more difficult to just cut them

[Anonymous No.15804238]

>>15804232
yes, sun is flat too

[Anonymous No.15804240]

[Anonymous No.15804241]

>>15804235
for instance, any changes being vetoed by congress because it might decrease or eliminate some subcontractor in some random state

[Anonymous No.15804242]

>>15804228
home

[Anonymous No.15804245]

[Anonymous No.15804246]

[Anonymous No.15804248]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdJ9jELHOU

[Anonymous No.15804251]

annularity in albequerque

[Anonymous No.15804252]

>>15804238
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15804256]

>>15804252
what the fuck is that

[Anonymous No.15804260]

[Anonymous No.15804261]

Nice 80% eclipse here, just like in 2017.

[Anonymous No.15804262]

>>15803389
Delta V to Enceladus surface is almost identical compared to delta v to Europa's surface, and the radiation environment is much more benign

[Anonymous No.15804270]

[Anonymous No.15804272]

[Anonymous No.15804276]

[Anonymous No.15804277]

Is anyone taking pics of starship with the eclipse in the background?

[Anonymous No.15804278]

[Anonymous No.15804280]

>>15804277
its not going to be a complete annular eclipse, but I think there are quite a lot of people ready to take pictures
like NSF people

[Anonymous No.15804281]

>>15804277
from starbase

[Anonymous No.15804284]

>>15804277
everyone forgor [math]\unicode{x1F480}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15804289]

welp that's done

[Anonymous No.15804290]

3min until maximum annularity at starbase

[Black holes fake but also gay No.15804296]

>>15804290
They sacrifice villagers on a regular day god only knows what they up to now

[Anonymous No.15804299]

[Anonymous No.15804302]

[Anonymous No.15804313]

>Relatively common event
>97% of able-bodied humans go outside and drool over it
We will be so easily controlled by an alien species if they are even slightly more technologically advanced than us. We are drones with expected behaviors

[Anonymous No.15804315]

>>15804313
every day I'm moved by the sight of the sky at dawn
get over your cynicism and learn to appreciate natural beauty

[Anonymous No.15804321]

>>15804313
Eclipses aren't that common cmon bruh

[Anonymous No.15804328]

tried my best lol. pretty cool that my camera lens flare depicts the eclipse clearly, mirrored vertically

[Anonymous No.15804330]

>>15804313
Total solar eclipse will happen in 2142 in my country

[Anonymous No.15804331]

>>15804315
Wrong. You are supposed to do your duty and stoically accept everything that happens to you and wait until death gives you reprieve because the physical world is evil. That’s the based and redpilled path of life

[Anonymous No.15804334]

>>15804330
Get a bigger country

[Anonymous No.15804339]

>>15804328
That's really cool, you did a great job with that shot.

[Anonymous No.15804341]

>>15804331
Bro that's not being redpilled that's just Gnosticism.

>>15804330
Everyone point at the European

[Anonymous No.15804344]

>>15804339
still too bright to look at the sun, this is near maximum. note the flare

[Anonymous No.15804345]

>>15804344
The ringlet refraction caused by the camera lens is hella cool.

[Anonymous No.15804347]

one of the highlights is the trippy shadows. hello /sfg/. dump over

[Anonymous No.15804346]

got a good snap here in NM though my piece of grade 12 welding glass or whatever. nice.

[Anonymous No.15804348]

[Anonymous No.15804349]

>>15804347
How cool did it get where you were when full annularity occurred?

[Anonymous No.15804356]

>>15804349
cool as in temperature? i didnt feel any heat from the sun at maximum, and very little during most of the run up

[Anonymous No.15804357]

>>15804344
UFO!

[Anonymous No.15804359]

my setup

[Anonymous No.15804363]

>>15804357
>ufo for ants

[Anonymous No.15804364]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5v2jRhqq3s

[Anonymous No.15804366]

>>15804154
>>15803754
Why are AI fags so obsessed with shit?

[Anonymous No.15804368]

>>15803614
>>15804053
what about paraterraforming via the big airbed?

[Anonymous No.15804381]

>>15804366
I think it's one guy trying to promote the tech to 4chan anons so it gets more engagement

[Anonymous No.15804383]

>>15804368
Forming is earth centric! Imagine all the nonexistent Martian microbes!

[Anonymous No.15804388]

https://twitter.com/VisitBocaChica/status/1712964212891214154
> New Marine Safety Information Bulletin (MSIB)/ Notice to Mariners (NOTMAR) issued for possible #Starship testing on 17 Oct 2023. http://msib.bocachica.com

[Anonymous No.15804389]

>>15804388
https://twitter.com/BCCarCounters/status/1713122845247623594

> This is not a static fire MSIB IMO. This is most likely a WDR MSIB. Either way it indicates high fuel load.
>Expect a full stack over the weekend and Tuesday a WDR of the full stack to commence. Road closures and MSIB in place for some sweet action!
>Attached is also the previous MSIB for a WDR, and the size comparison (Thanks to NeedPizza in the NSF discord)
>It seems the shape was refined and now more reasonable, vs. Just the squares.
>Of course it could always be S26 static fire, however previous Ship static fire notices were smaller than this. Reasonably expecting some more non Static Fire testing of S26 on Monday, and then probably switch attention to fullstack flight preparation soon.
>Remember, the FAA also indicated end of October previously, which we are rapidly approaching, so it makes sense for SX to switch gears again.

[Anonymous No.15804416]

>>15802259
Goyim bros.. you are still here.

[Anonymous No.15804423]

>>15804416
Why aren’t you on the Antarctic ice wall with a GoPro, /pol/em?

[Anonymous No.15804426]

>>15804388
>>15804389
>WDR
WE ARE BACK

[Anonymous No.15804430]

>>15804426
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS ANON IM SURE THIS TIME IT WONT GET EXTENDED!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA YOU STUPID FUCKS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING, THIS IS 1000% THE S26 SF SO NO LAUNCH

[Anonymous No.15804434]

>>15804430
SHUT UP BASTARD
WE ARE GOING

[Anonymous No.15804436]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZY_SKgonW0

[Anonymous No.15804440]

>>15804436
wtf

[Anonymous No.15804445]

>>15804440
>Wile E Coyote attempts to use starship
Oh fuck

[Anonymous No.15804450]

>>15804440

[Anonymous No.15804453]

What should the punishment be for the feet draggers at FWS when Musk controlled government assumes power?

[Anonymous No.15804459]

>>15804453
two more weeks

[Anonymous No.15804488]

>>15804453
You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive.

[Anonymous No.15804490]

I'm so excited for the upcoming Artemis space travels from outer space. What a time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.15804511]

How many goyim could realistically be slingshoted with a space elevator? Let's say you can fit an average of 5 goyim in a Tesla car, how fast can you sligshot each car into the vacuum?

[Anonymous No.15804513]

Astra stock did a FIFTEEN TO ONE reverse split last month and is already back under a dollar. It's over.

[Anonymous No.15804515]

>>15804513
In hindsight it was a mistake to abandon the small launch market, but who could have known that Rocket Lab would have failed

[Astranon No.15804517]

>>15804515
Rocket 3 was never ever going to work without a major redesign given the upper stage flaws. They made the right choice focusing on Rocket 4. If they start showing real development progress before hobbitlab returns to flight I might buy back in.

[Anonymous No.15804522]

>>15804517
are you serious lmaooo

[Anonymous No.15804525]

https://www.astrobotic.com/xodiac-flies-first-astrobotic-customer-campaign/
I'm surprised people did not do double-takes at this news

Sure New Shepard is back but it's too big for most payloads going suborbital, if they get Xodiac cheap enough it might even replace balloon launches for opportunistic targets like BRRISON back in the day

[Anonymous No.15804530]

>>15804313
>relatively common
>The next total eclipse in my area is in the year 2151
>assuming the weather even allows it

[Astranon No.15804535]

>>15804522
If Rocket 4 beats Neutron to flying customer payloads, Astra will be capable of flying larger payloads per flight than Rocket Lab for a while.

[Anonymous No.15804550]

>>15804107
I had to choose which park I thought would be most comfy, so I went to one in west San Antonio that had a lake. There were a lot worse choices. There was one park with an eclipse event that was full of trees on the goggle view from above. I was like wtf whose idea was that.
There were a couple of jeetleafs at the park to take pictures of it, all the way from Ottawa. It seemed kind of random that they picked that park after going so far, but kinda cool.
Fucking clouds, though, there were clouds until not long before the ring. Then I still had time to learn which manual exposure settings to use on my phone. First, I chopped the ears off of a pair of eclipse glasses and stuck it inside the phone case. Then it was basically fast shutter, low iso during partial, and fast shutter, high iso during the ring. It was still in a surprisingly small field of view, so I got little more than rainbow-colored pixels for the ring. Optical zoom would have helped so much.
>>15804148
BC was actually just off the edge of the path, so it wouldn't be a full ring. I doubt anyone got pics with both the rocket and the eclipse. The angle is too high (around noon) and the contrast would be wrong.
>>15804154
One guy had a telescope with like a four inch objective lens, and a cardboard filter thingy on it. You could see sunspots with that rig. Looks like he was using it to track the sun for his camera that was bolted to it.
>>15804224
Kerrville is right where the paths cross, I'm probably going there in six months.

[Anonymous No.15804591]

>>15804256
Aten

[Anonymous No.15804628]

>>15804591
Out of ten!

[Anonymous No.15804634]

>>15803946
Nigger
Alternatively, stfu pidor

[Anonymous No.15804749]

I eared that the dragon can stay docked to the ISS for 6 months but the shuttle could only stay docked for 8 days. why is that?

[Anonymous No.15804774]

>>15804749
One of the big limitations on mission time was that the shuttle got its power from hydrogen fuel cells instead of solar panels. Once the shuttle ran out of hydrogen it wouldn't be able to generate any electricity. NASA designed a pallet of extra fuel tanks that extended mission endurance by a few days, but they eventually replaced that with a lighter system that let them plug the shuttle right into the station's power grid. After that they started running into certification time limits on things like the tires in the landing gear.

[Anonymous No.15804779]

>>15804774
speaking of fuel cells, what will starship use to power its fins? surely a battery with enough power to actuate them would be very heavy, and thats one reason the shuttle used fuel cells

[Anonymous No.15804780]

>>15804779
It's using Tesla car batteries and motors

[Anonymous No.15804783]

>>15804780
wtf. the musk master plan is real?

[Anonymous No.15804788]

>>15804779
Shuttle was designed and built long before Lithium Ion became commercially available and had energy density on par with fuel cells

[Anonymous No.15804835]

>>15804779
Fuel cells are a meme

They wear out 3x faster than lithium batteries
They cost 3X as much as lithium batteries in energy and 3X as much in material cost
They are a failed tech tree

[Anonymous No.15804837]

>>15804783
it's all real

[Anonymous No.15804838]

>>15804835
fuel cells are a sign of hydrogen faggotry

[Anonymous No.15804840]

>>15804783
every musk venture is just a step in the Mega Hyperloop ambition

[Anonymous No.15804846]

I know it's more because of low funding but I love how ISRO just sticks to the plan (tm) for 20 years+ for the development of a single rocket, seeing GSLV MK3 planning from the late 90s that were perfectly followed, just with years of delays is something

And then they also can make some lunar lander or mars probe in 2 years


meanwhile russia with same low funding changes rocket plan every 6 months and takes 20 years to make a probe that crashes because some drunk intern slept on the command console.

[Anonymous No.15804862]

>>15804846
The ISRO has no budget and they understand that they have no budget, and then they plan intelligently around that.

Russia changes its plans a lot for the same reason China makes lots of big public plan adjustments: they're trying to squeeze more money and interest out of Moscow. Russia's big problem is that Moscow doesn't really care about non-military launches so they don't pay too close of attention to when someone's embezzling the budget. Rogozin got at least one nice dacha out of the RD-180 sales to ULA.

[Anonymous No.15804914]

>>15804783
Always has been

[Anonymous No.15804929]

>>15804783
you need to keep up

[Anonymous No.15804934]

Staging

>>15804933
>>15804933
>>15804933

[Anonymous No.15804968]

>AI spamming faggot is also a poltard flat earther
wow how unexpected
>>15804225
the U.S.A. has more land than the surface area of planet earth

[Anonymous No.15804989]