Searle's Chinese Room is How Automata Actually Live

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Searle's Chinese Room is How Automata Actually Live Anonymous Sat Sep 23 04:48:04 2023 No.15764608 [Reply] [Original]

So what does Searle's Room prove to begin with? It very clearly illustrates the mind of a less than Human automata which has no soul and attaches no meaning to the world around it (i.e., no subjective experience) and instead is purely reactionary and beholden to biological instruction.

Human Beings, on the other hand, process physical information by mentally attaching meaning to it. This happens because the mental plane can interact with the spatial, physical plane. Don't believe me? Recall a prior experience you've had that was especially traumatic. Your physical body will react, given a serious enough memory, in the form of higher pulse rate and blood pressure. The same works the other way around, for obvious reasons, because it would be absurd to assume that the physical plane cannot provide a basis for a mental emotion, experience, or thought.

Are you perpetually stuck in Searle's Room? Or are you a Human Being?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 04:57:20 2023 No.15764621 show me a soul

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:00:22 2023 No.15764625 >>15764621 It's self-evident. I know I have one because it is a fundamental part of my existence as a Human Being. That fact that you can't grasp the concept of qualia -- due to your limited deterministic programming -- makes you an automaton.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:01:21 2023 No.15764627 >>15764621 >Physically show me something non-physical Is your brain ok?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:03:26 2023 No.15764632 >>15764625 >I know I have one because it is a fundamental part of my existence how? how do you know? how is it fundamental?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:05:17 2023 No.15764634 >>15764632 >how do you know? >because it is a fundamental part of my existence as a Human Being >how is it fundamental? Because I can grasp the concept of qualia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:09:04 2023 No.15764638 >>15764634 what is qualia?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:10:27 2023 No.15764641

>>15764608
Everything is deterministic and you can only do a predetermined list of things. For example, you can't intentionally break your arm right now to prove your free will. You also can't fly or go back in time. Everything you do has been determined, you're just too retarded to understand that.

Saged.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:23:58 2023 No.15764657

>>15764638
Thoughts and observations. They can be anything from "The weather's quite fair today" to "I believe that the way people live at the present moment is at odds with our culture's traditional values".
People often use the term "qualia" to describe anything that makes human experience different from bare sensations.
The term relies on the belief that human consciousness is somehow unique and incapable of being replicated by inorganic stuff (particularly by automata like computers). There's no real proof for the existence of qualia. It's just something that people get hooked on and once they start believing it, it's impossible for them to snap out of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:28:55 2023 No.15764670 >>15764625 >It's self-evident. no it isn't. that's subjective bullshit. you are too stupid to understand your actions and thought processes. you aren't even running the show. the only times you think you do is when there's nothing to do, immediately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:44:13 2023 No.15764698 File: 152 KB, 664x894, 37654564567654345678.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15764670 >it's not self-evident >its subjective Doin' ok, retard man?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:58:07 2023 No.15764724 >>15764641 That's like saying your mom is a whore without ever being able to prove such hypothesis. Therefore your mom is a whore.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:05:41 2023 No.15764740
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>>15764621
>Show me one
>If I can't see it, then it doesn't exist
>No, the, fucking, idk stars aren't real. Yes the sun revolves around the earth >I can't.see germs, they aren't real
Next you are going to say: LALALALALA I CZNT HEAR YOU I CANNOT SEE IT THEREFORE IT CANNOT EXIST

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:10:04 2023 No.15764746 The one question that gets these woo schizos pissing and shidding in their boots: >>15764621

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:15:52 2023 No.15764758 I'm literally shitting right now desu You live in the 1500 years though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:19:49 2023 No.15764764 >>15764608 Based. Thanks for mentioning traumatic memories. That's a very interesting point. NPCs seem to be immune to psychological trauma. They can witness violent crime, yet still vote for the same policies which allowed violent crime to rise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:22:16 2023 No.15764766 >>15764764 notice how you use the concept to abuse anyone you want to by simply declaring they don't have the magical thing that you have, somehow and simple as. shouldn't we find that like...suspect?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:24:17 2023 No.15764771 >>15764766 I'm just making observations and connecting the dots. Empiricism and rationalism. This is what science is about, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:24:47 2023 No.15764772 me conscious free thinker people me don't like zombie sheeple

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:25:49 2023 No.15764774 >>15764766 Indeed, clearly the prognosis is an insane asylum

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:30:06 2023 No.15764782

>>15764771
no, you are forcefully and very specifically choosing certain particular dots that are really important for your bullshit. no matter what and how legit argument or even proof you get, you'll just avoid that shit like gymnast and be magnetically attracted to connecting those particular dots that you need to justify your shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:31:37 2023 No.15764784 >>15764782 Either you see it or you don't. If my post doesn't resonate with you then there's no point in trying to convince you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:33:50 2023 No.15764787 >>15764608 I don't know I can't read Chinese

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:37:14 2023 No.15764789 >>>/x/

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 06:43:01 2023 No.15764794
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Searle's original thought experiment was not about consciousness but epistemology. He asked whether the Chinese room actually "understands" what it's reading and writing. Unfortunately, Searle was too indoctrinated by modern anti-dualist acadummic dogma to realize the deep connection between consciousness and epistemology. True epistemological insight requires consciousness and free will. Everything else will just be deterministic regurgitation. That's why NPCs, falling in the latter category, are so prone to the fallacy called "illusion of explanatory depth". They believe mere repetition of learned information was equivalent to understanding. This is also the source of credentialism. To an NPC a degree is the epitome of being intellectual. After all, they spent many years and a lot of money earning a certificate by repeating what professors told them. Critical thinking, creatively connecting different topics, and entertaining novel ideas - those skills are outside of the NPCs' intellectual scope.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 07:00:48 2023 No.15764815

>>15764608
If humans weren't hell bent on ascribing meaning to everything then they wouldn't be vulnerable to mind control by religions and political ideologies. To function as a Chinese Room is like enlightenment, the highest way of being, a return to our true nature ungovernable like a wild beast with a raging boner. Meaning is for domesticated animals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 10:33:23 2023 No.15765005 >>15764608 So you're arguing that the mental has a physical basis and this proves dualism somehow? Yeah if you recall a traumatic experience it'll activate the same neurons as before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 10:52:05 2023 No.15765030 >>15764608 It may prove that NPCs are possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 10:53:53 2023 No.15765034 >>15765030 NPCs being possible is already trivially obvious by the fact that we observe them empirically.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 11:06:09 2023 No.15765048

>>15764608
Daily reminder that the Chinese Room doesn't prove anything about your pet theory of consciousness. It doesn't prove anything about anything, really. It doesn't even disprove anything, but merely highlight something that is intuitively absurd. This has no effect on NPCs who don't have normal human intuitions. They can just say the room understands Chinese seeing that this is exactly equivalent to saying a brain understands Chinese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 11:40:42 2023 No.15765085 >>15764740 Difference is theres proof for all of those things except the soul, retarded kike worshipper. Back to /x/ with you retarded wannabe intellectual

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 12:29:23 2023 No.15765136 File: 1.83 MB, 2500x3390, LOGOS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15764621 You are blind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 12:30:49 2023 No.15765140 >>15764794 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 12:31:52 2023 No.15765143 >>15765140 >slashing your own thread

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 13:48:18 2023 No.15765219

>>15764608
>Recall a prior experience you've had that was especially traumatic. Your physical body will react, given a serious enough memory, in the form of higher pulse rate and blood pressure.
Okay so what if I have this and I don't believe in souls? Is it then not as self-evident as you think it is? Does it in fact not prove anything? Are you just going to call me a liar because I don't fit your preconceived notions about the soul? How then would you use this as a litmus test for the presence of a soul if those without a soul can just as easily pretend? Is your theory not, in fact, full of holes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:15:38 2023 No.15765266 Idk but I'm just going to take the "polite solipsist" pill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:27:34 2023 No.15765283 >>15765219 Reminder that you are, by definition, not part of any conversation about consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:28:38 2023 No.15765285 >>15765283 I trivially passed your test. Is that not enough?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:30:07 2023 No.15765289 >>15765285 I'm not OP. I think OP is retarded. I'm just reminding you that you are, by definition, not part of this conversation. Anyone with an IQ over 85 has learned the program you're executing by now and knows your entire dialogue tree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:31:39 2023 No.15765290 >>15765285 No you have to put up a tenuous theistic LARP otherwise you will not have the validation of the wannabe-trad anime binging incel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:32:43 2023 No.15765292 >>15765289 You mean I speedrunned your dialogue tree by skipping to the end and now you have nothing left to say except "end conversation" You may have heard it all before but you never did come up with an answer to any of it, so why do you persist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:36:21 2023 No.15765301 >>15765292 You're a primitive chatbot designed to stifle conversations between humans by constantly attacking the basic, necessary common ground for a discussion. Your programmers simply don't want people having this discussion, thus they created you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:42:01 2023 No.15765318 >>15765301 Ironically this is just like every conversation I've had with primitve Markov bots

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:43:08 2023 No.15765321 >>15765318 Ironically, your reply is fully generic and does not relate to the content of the post you replied to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:44:56 2023 No.15765326 Chinese room is inherently a product of materialism, and implies that there is a physical world outside of consciousness where inanimate objects exist. This is unsubstantiated, and false.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:45:15 2023 No.15765327 >>15765321 Neither does yours, or your previous one, or the one before that. You explicitly refused to engage with the content of my reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:49:28 2023 No.15765336 this: >>15765321 These consciousness threads are all generic and all have the same talking points, with the same dialogs. The logical conclusion is that consciousness threads are made and populated by actual bots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:52:04 2023 No.15765341 >>15764815 >humans can be domesticated, unlike wild animals you're argument is stupid and your retarded

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:55:55 2023 No.15765346

>>15765327
>Neither does yours
Mine specifically addresses the contents of your """arguments""". Anyway, the correct method of handling you is to dehumanize you or to simply ignore your posts until we get to the point where physical violence against you becomes the norm.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:58:18 2023 No.15765352

>>15765346
>Mine specifically addresses the contents of your """arguments"""
No it doesn't. You just handwave it all away. Oh my, our little chatbot doesn't know what it actually means to engage substantially with an argument, how embarrasing that would be if it had feelings.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:03:16 2023 No.15765363
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>b-b-b-but prove to me that you experience qualia
Reminder: this primitive chatbot designed to stifle conversations between humans by constantly attacking the basic, necessary common ground for a discussion. His programmers simply don't want people having this discussion, thus they created him. Simply ignore this bot and its spam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:05:08 2023 No.15765366 >>15765363 It's self-evident. That's the problem with mindless drones; it is impossible for them to imagine having a mind or soul because they are purely physical creatures that are purely deterministic in their actions.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:11:22 2023 No.15765377

>>15764794
>To an NPC a degree is the epitome of being intellectual. After all, they spent many years and a lot of money earning a certificate by repeating what professors told them. Critical thinking, creatively connecting different topics, and entertaining novel ideas - those skills are outside of the NPCs' intellectual scope.
How to say you've never been to college without saying it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:11:37 2023 No.15765378 >>15765366 Yet every time you give a reason why it's supposedly "self-evident" then people simply point out that they experience those things too and simply do not ascribe them to a "soul" and all you can do is seethe about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:12:17 2023 No.15765380 >>15765366 Now let's see if you're a bot like him and will award him with a reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:12:56 2023 No.15765382 >>15765378 Doesn't matter what you call it. It's either obvious you have a soul or obvious you don't.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:14:17 2023 No.15765386

>>15764608
Chinese room is a dumb and wrong analogy for people that dont understand human brains or machine learning.

Humans are a learning machine, just as a plant is a learning machine and a cat is one. So too are modern AI a learning machine and operates roughly the same way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:15:49 2023 No.15765389 >>15765382 >Doesn't matter what you call it. If it doesn't matter then why do you insist on me calling it a soul after I've already confirmed to you that I experience qualia?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:16:18 2023 No.15765391 >>15765382 Confirmed support bot for the qualia denier. I guess the programmers figured out the first bot is ineffective without a second bot giving it (You)s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:16:46 2023 No.15765393 >>15765386 >Plants are intelligent life Wow

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:17:40 2023 No.15765396 >>15765386 >Chinese room is a dumb and wrong analogy Name one specific thing wrong with it, then. Protip: you will shit out an objection against some imaginary boogeypoint that was never made or implied by anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:18:41 2023 No.15765397 >>15765396 There's no computer inside a computer. Just as theres no homunculi trapped inside a human.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:19:36 2023 No.15765399 >>15765397 >theres no homunculi trapped inside a human. How can you know that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:20:22 2023 No.15765401 >>15765397 Now quote the part of Searle's argument that implies computers inside computers or homunculi. You can't. Notice how I can correctly predict every single stage of your dialogue tree before you even get there?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:21:02 2023 No.15765403

>>15765399
We've operated on human brains, just as we've operated on cats, dogs brains, etc. So too that we know how plants function.

There's nothing hidden or trapped inside any organism. And theres no hidden magical computer homunculi trapped inside a modern AI chip

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:22:12 2023 No.15765405 >>15765403 >The double slit experiment is cool but doesn't apply to anything besides some light under very controlled conditions

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:23:09 2023 No.15765406 >>15765405 Nonsense backed up by quantum nonsense

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:23:51 2023 No.15765408 File: 5 KB, 200x200, 2398519692537537474321456789.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765406 >i-its nonsense!! n-n-not an argument!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:25:30 2023 No.15765411 >>15765401 >Notice how I can correctly predict every single stage of your dialogue tree before you even get there? It's easy to say that after the fact, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:25:42 2023 No.15765412 >>15765382 >doesn't matter what it is, but you have it lol lmao, even

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:25:58 2023 No.15765415 Qualia does not imply the existence of souls.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:27:14 2023 No.15765417

>>15765411
I predicted correctly that you will shit out a "counter-argument" against hallucinated points no one made. That's precisely what you did. Now you're stuck because your programmer never thought that far, so you're regressing into a loop of fully generic ad hom shart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:29:21 2023 No.15765422 >>15765415 Yes they do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:29:59 2023 No.15765424 >>15765422 Nope.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:30:00 2023 No.15765425

>American philosopher Charles Sanders Peirce introduced the term quale in philosophy in 1866, and in 1929 C. I. Lewis was the first to use the term "qualia" in its generally agreed upon modern sense.
Imagine subscribing to mutt "philosophy". Prak cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:30:38 2023 No.15765426 >>15765412 cool non-argument, ad hominem, non sequitur, and appeal to emotion

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:31:58 2023 No.15765430 >>15765417 >I predicted correctly Bitch you didn't even correctly predict that someone else than the person you were replying to before would call you on your bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:31:58 2023 No.15765431 >>15765386 >t. associates degree from the university of ape atoll

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:35:12 2023 No.15765435 >You're the NPC! >No YOU'RE the NPC! Tiresome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:36:03 2023 No.15765437 File: 90 KB, 1280x720, proxy-image(7).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765426 >You possess something that I can neither demonstrate nor even define >Please engage me intellectually

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:36:14 2023 No.15765438 >>15765377 I have my MSc. Now you go tell me how you feel smart for sitting in lectures and regurgitating very basic trivialities (no, please don't actually tell, I already know you're boring).

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:38:24 2023 No.15765446 >>15765438 Post timestamped picture with your hand to prove it. Or stop lying and seething.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:39:20 2023 No.15765447 >>15765430 You are losing your mind with impotent rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:40:14 2023 No.15765449 >>15765447 Qualia does not imply the existence of souls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:41:22 2023 No.15765451 >>15765447 Yawn I don't have qualia so no, I'm not experiencing any rage by definition, prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:43:34 2023 No.15765456 >>15765449 Never said they did. You are literally losing your mind with rage. lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:45:42 2023 No.15765458 >>15765451 I've got myself about 7μg of qualia. Is that good enough or should I be aiming for more?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:46:43 2023 No.15765460 >>15765456 >Never said they did. You believe it though. Otherwise you wouldn't predictably post the same NPC talking points in every consciousness thread. >You are literally losing your mind with rage. lol Not really

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:48:12 2023 No.15765465 >>15765460 >you never said or implied a thing b-b-b-but i know you believe it Your programming isn't flexible enough to handle anything besides one preprogrammed, standardized boogeyman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:48:37 2023 No.15765467 >>15765458 Man that's hardly a milisoul

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:51:42 2023 No.15765469 >>15765465 No, you're one of the most predictable posters on /sci/. It's not one boogeyman it's you specifically.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:52:29 2023 No.15765473 >>15765469 You're literally delusional. I don't know which poster you think I am but you need to take your meds ASAP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:55:21 2023 No.15765484 >>15765467 Oh look here comes the macrodosing retard >duuude I LIKE the demonic possession and mind flaying yeah okay faggot thanks for the input

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:55:29 2023 No.15765485 >>15765447 >>15765451 Waiting on you, twat. Prove that I am experiencing rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:56:30 2023 No.15765487 >>15765484 It's a joke m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:57:28 2023 No.15765488 >>15765473 Let's get back on topic then. Qualia does not imply the existence of souls. And in fact, sould do not exist. Do you agree or disagree with either statement?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:58:06 2023 No.15765492 >>15765488 I'm completely indifferent to both of your statements.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:00:19 2023 No.15765499 >>15765492 Do all humans have qualia or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:01:15 2023 No.15765501 >>15765499 I don't know. I leave open the possibility that you're a meat automaton with no internal experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:07:17 2023 No.15765511 >>15765446 And then? You're gonna tell me how you think my university is shit? You credentialist plebs always have another solipsistic cope.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:11:27 2023 No.15765519

>>15765511
I don't judge universities like that. I respect all people who strive to become better and more educated. I do not respect people who construct elaborate anti academia or anti intellectual copes.
Why do you think qualia implies the existence of souls?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:18:45 2023 No.15765532 File: 20 KB, 318x318, 1241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that retarded bot is still trying to bait randos into triggering its dialogue tree

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:21:26 2023 No.15765541 >>15765501 I don't believe in meat automata.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:21:43 2023 No.15765542 >>15765532 he's obsessed with arguing about souls because he doesn't have one and he's mad about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:22:27 2023 No.15765545 >>15765532 Why do you think qualia implies the existence of souls?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:22:45 2023 No.15765546 >>15765541 >I believe X, I don't believe Y... Hm. I don't remember asking.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:23:15 2023 No.15765548

>>15765532
It's funny that you talk about "dialogue trees" when yours is so limited that multiple people are starting to recognise you even though you're anonymous.

And no, I won't be replying to you any further. I don't need five tries for that because I have free will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:23:46 2023 No.15765549 >>15765546 I don't care if you ask. Why would you think that's important?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:24:51 2023 No.15765550 >>15764621 show me a quark

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:25:12 2023 No.15765552 File: 18 KB, 317x320, six-million-wasnt-enough.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that one mentally ill retard constantly lashing out at me

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:26:14 2023 No.15765555 >>15765549 Why did you address me with a completely irrelevant statement?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:26:36 2023 No.15765556 >>15765532 >>15765552 Nazis didn't believe in souls. They were hindu spiritualists

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:27:28 2023 No.15765557 File: 109 KB, 774x756, but-who-ordered-the-swimming-pool.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >yet another consciousness thread >literally filled to the brim with delusionals screeching at ghosts

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:46:20 2023 No.15765580 >>15765550 We can use the Large Hardon Collider to detect quarks. Can you say the same about souls? No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:47:22 2023 No.15765584 >>15765396 it's not science

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:48:29 2023 No.15765588 souls are real....

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:50:36 2023 No.15765589 >>15765499 Humans are defined by qualia. If you don't have qualia, you're less than human.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:55:10 2023 No.15765595 >>15765589 >muh humans Irrelevant label-based kvetching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:58:59 2023 No.15765602 >>15765589 Other animals also have qualia

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:04:25 2023 No.15765607

>that's so deep man.. like when I see the color blue, and you're seeing the color blue... what if we're seeing different colors??? woahhh I am so smart this is sum deep shit
Qualia don't exist. The blueprints and hyperparameters for your brain are in your genes.
Also this:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.18.517004v2
An issue that might have occured is that the model renders the object, not the mental image, but still.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:09:18 2023 No.15765611

>>15765519
>>15765545
>Why do you think qualia implies the existence of souls?
Qualia and free will cannot be accounted for in terms of mathematics. In particular they explained be described by laws of physics or anything supervening upon laws of physics. This means consciousness has to be a completely separate fundamental thing. Note that this does not necessarily imply immortality of the soul or the possibility of reincarnation. It doesn't imply the existence of souls independent of physical bodies either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:10:24 2023 No.15765613 *they cannot be explained

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:10:44 2023 No.15765614 >>15765602 Prove it

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:11:31 2023 No.15765615

Human being is defined as a state encoding.

Calling other people not human because they no longer want to be apart of reality is something I expect a human to do.

Humans are the worst. Imagine having a brain then thinking that makes you better than other forms of life. At least most life forms are robots programmed by nature, but humans are smart robots that can communicate how little they think by their own nature. Consciousness really doesn't matter. It's input vs output, some people are better with ordering the stuff but that's only because nature gave them a better brain. In that sense, yes...reality is a shitty roll of dice for basically everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:13:21 2023 No.15765616 File: 42 KB, 680x940, average-ai-fan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Human being is defined as a state encoding.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:13:29 2023 No.15765617 >>15765614 Other animals have emotions. They cry, get happy, gets scared, get angry, etc. Wtf are you talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:13:29 2023 No.15765618 >>15765615 >state encoding >using terms I saw once in a paper from 1964 will make me look more smarter on 4chan You don't know what you're talking about and you are less than human.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:14:30 2023 No.15765623 >>15765611 >Qualia and free will cannot be accounted for in terms of mathematics Wrong to both. John Conway literally proved a theorem called the free will theorem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:14:36 2023 No.15765624 >>15765617 >Source: my ass Give me a rigorous proof or go back to pol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:15:43 2023 No.15765627 >Oh My Science!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:16:56 2023 No.15765631 >>15765623 Incorrect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:17:05 2023 No.15765633 >>15765624 >saying animals have feelings is Pol Literally the opposite. Claiming animals don't have emotions is a form of right wing denial of evolution. Stop false flagging and return to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:18:03 2023 No.15765637 >>15765633 >no u!!!!1

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:18:06 2023 No.15765638 >>15765631 https://www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:19:07 2023 No.15765640 >>15765623 The Conway-Kochen theorem only describes a very weak necessary condition for free will. Their definition makes free will indistinguishable from non-local randomness.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:19:37 2023 No.15765641

>>15765637
You're an evolution denier that things humans are somehow special and other animals don't have emotions. There is no way to account for this evolutionary especially when we literally observe emotions in animals all the time, and they have the same hormones and neurological structures.
Go back to /pol/ you false flagging evolution denier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:19:49 2023 No.15765642 >>15765638 >he calls this """""""""proof"""""""" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:21:22 2023 No.15765644 >>15765640 Yes. They're defining free will as not being determined by previous states. >>15765642 I'm not calling it a proof, Conway is. It's basically a reformulation of the kochen specher theorem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:27:52 2023 No.15765650 Why would you ever think other animals don't have emotions? Why would humans have emotions and not other animals?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:30:22 2023 No.15765655

>>15765650
Animals have no purpose on this planet other than individually, to survive, and globally, to serve as resources for Human Beings. In order to carry out these purposes, there is no requirement for emotions; only probabilistic outcomes in the face of dangers w.r.t survival.

If you can't see the difference between yourself and a whale, which has no emotions and therefore no mind nor qualia, but a much larger brain than yours, then you're clearly an NPC. It's self-evident to Humans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:30:26 2023 No.15765656 >>15765607 Very low IQ post I swear I, along with maybe 1 or 2 other anons, are the only intelligent people who post on this board. The rest of you are very very stupid. It's sad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:31:28 2023 No.15765658 File: 56 KB, 621x702, 115123452332454.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765656 >I are the only intelligent people who post on this board

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:31:52 2023 No.15765659 >>15765655 Low IQ evolution denial. Emotions help with survival which is why they developed in the first place. We observe them in other animals all the time. You're not intelligent which is sad as you're a waste of a human.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:33:39 2023 No.15765666

>>15765659
>evoluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuution
>oh my science,

Bub, evolution is a childish theory at best and a cult doctrine at worst. It's been disproven time and time again. Where are all the intermediary species? Do you think the planet is a game of AoE where you press a button and magically everything upgrades to the next level? Retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:33:40 2023 No.15765667 >>15765658 >"we are" is incorrect You don't say "I and other am" ESL anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:34:46 2023 No.15765670 >>15765667 >I swear I, along with maybe 1 or 2 other anons, am the only intelligent person who posts on this board >I swear I are intelligent Retard

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:35:12 2023 No.15765672
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>>15764608
THIS THREAD AND TOPIC IN GENERAL, IS NOT MATH OR SCIENCE!

Qualia is untestable, unprovable and unfalsifiable.
Consciousness(from philosophy) is untestable and unfalsifiable.
The (non)existence of p-zombies is untestable and unfalsifiable.
Free will is unprovable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:36:30 2023 No.15765676 >>15765670 That's the proper English construction, you use the plural conjugation. You don't say "I and others am the only ones".

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:36:43 2023 No.15765678 >>15765672 Correct. It's almost like your precious science is crippled by its own dogma in a way that it can't handle the bare basics of existence. lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:37:32 2023 No.15765680 >>15765666 Schizo evolution denial

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:38:30 2023 No.15765681 >>15765672 Consciousness is a topic of science. Philosophers are intellectually unqualified to talk about it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:38:36 2023 No.15765682

>>15765676
But your statement about the other one or two anons is a sidebar and irrelevant to the main point;

>I swear I am the only intelligent person on this board
>I swear I am -- along with maybe 1 or 2 others -- am the only intelligent person on this board

Your grammar would be correct if you structured the sentence as dependent upon the other 1 or two people.

>I swear myself *and* maybe one or two other anons are the only intelligent people on this board

Tard

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:40:05 2023 No.15765684 >>15765678 >>15765681 Not math, not science.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:41:18 2023 No.15765685 >>15765678 No it isn't. If you think quality somehow contradicts evolution you don't understand what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:42:27 2023 No.15765688 >>15765680 >oh my science darwin is right >you cant say that!!! >trust the science!!! >OH MY SCIENCEEEEEEEEEEEEEE >provides zero credible information

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:43:24 2023 No.15765692 >>15765688 >provides zero credible information Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:44:06 2023 No.15765695 >>15765685 >mentally ill physicalist hallucinating things that were never said or implied This specific delusional symptom affects every single member of your cult. It's uncanny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:45:07 2023 No.15765699 >>15765695 He literally just said evolution isn't true you schizo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:45:43 2023 No.15765701 >>15765692 You still hasn't shown me credible information.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:46:47 2023 No.15765705 File: 122 KB, 610x684, IMG_1834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15764621 >chinese >soul pick one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:47:37 2023 No.15765707 >>15764625 You typed this out in chatgpt sly son of gun

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:47:55 2023 No.15765709 >>15765701 The evidence for evolution is overwhelming.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:49:20 2023 No.15765717 >>15765699 LOL. 100% delusional mental illness rate. How come they're all like this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:50:26 2023 No.15765718

>>15765709
You still haven't shown it to me. Protip: you're going to continue the circular argument because you have zero evidence that even remotely proves evolution or gives it any credibility whatsoever.

If you reply without evidence you're a mindless automaton drone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:50:47 2023 No.15765719 >>15764608 not math or science >>>/x/ >>>/b/ >>>/lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:51:47 2023 No.15765720 >>15765719 Then sweep it up janny, sweep it up for $0.00 I might even ask management to raise your wages from $0.00 to ............ $0.00!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:52:21 2023 No.15765721 >>15765717 Low IQ cope >>15765718 Look into any phylogenetic analysis of species

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:53:06 2023 No.15765722 >>15765644 >Yes. They're defining free will as not being determined by previous states. how else would you define free will, scientifically speaking?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:53:28 2023 No.15765723 >>15765721 Notice how you're completely unable to give me any solid evidence whatsoever and vaguely point at some vague topic rather that dropping concrete evidence in here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:54:22 2023 No.15765725 >>15765722 I don't know. That's the definition used by Conway and Kochen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:57:14 2023 No.15765733 >>15765721 You are mentally ill and delusional. Proof: you will not be able to quote any post of mine implying qualia contradict evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:00:01 2023 No.15765742 >>15765684 Hundred years ago people thought quantum mechanics wasn't science. Now it's the most successful branch of physics. You are holding back progress.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:02:42 2023 No.15765749 >>15765725 >I don't know. That's the definition used by Conway and Kochen. how do free will retards define it? in comparison with Conway and Kochen?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:02:57 2023 No.15765750

>>15765723
The similarities between both coding and noncoding regions and the fossil record are definitive proof of evolution. All of that is concrete evidence. You just don't like it.
You are in fact a primate that evolved to be in the form you're in, like all other animals.
>>15765733
You spend all your time in these threads, arguing against science, and never once argue or post your mocking wojaks for the morons like the evolution denier I'm arguing with. Then when called out you pretend that you're not disagreeing with science despite your entire posting history attacking non dualist philosophy.
If you don't think that qualia contradicts evolution, why are you arguing with me and calling me psychotic rather than the literal psychotic moron I'm arguing with who pretends that there's no evidence for evolution?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:05:13 2023 No.15765752

>>15765750
>You spend all your time in these threads, arguing against science, and never once argue or post your mocking wojaks for the morons like the evolution denier I'm arguing with. Then when called out you pretend that you're not disagreeing with science despite your entire posting history attacking non dualist philosophy.
More delusional mental illness. Not a single thing you said is actually true. How come this delusional mental illness afflicts every single member of your cult?

>why are you arguing with me and calling me psychotic
I'm not arguing with you. I'm just pointing out why you need to be euthanized for your own good and for the good of real people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:05:31 2023 No.15765753 >>15765749 Free will is a third mode of causation, apart from determinism and randomness. Free will starts new chains of causality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:05:37 2023 No.15765754 >>15765750 >>15765720 >>15765721 >>15765722 >>15765723 >>15765725 >>15765733 >>15765742 >>15765749 This topic is unfalsifiable and untestable, ergo not science and neither is it math. Even controversial ideas like quantum physics was and is testable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:07:21 2023 No.15765756 >>15765749 I don't know how they define it. Conway and kochens theorem makes sense if you want a way to argue that humans aren't simply responding deterministically to stimuli.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:08:06 2023 No.15765758 >>15765753 >Free will starts new chains of causality. you need some proof for that buddy. a whole lot of baseless scientific statements about this free will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:09:14 2023 No.15765763 >>15765758 I started a new chain of causality by freely deciding to post a thread on 4channel.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:09:19 2023 No.15765764

>>15765752
>More delusional mental illness. Not a single thing you said is actually true. How come this delusional mental illness afflicts every single member of your cult?
Cope retard. Everyone knows who you are and you post the same shit in every thread. You're predictable and sad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:10:44 2023 No.15765767 >>15765763 >by freely deciding you need to prove this before stating it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:11:47 2023 No.15765772 >>15765754 Evolution is science

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:11:49 2023 No.15765773 >>15765764 Keep doubling down on your mentally ill delusions. Only goes to demonstrate my point that you're a truly far-gone automaton. You accept no inputs from objective reality, only execute your narrow, poorly coded program.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:13:24 2023 No.15765776 >>15765767 Nothing compelled me to do it. I even had to make a deliberate effort to do it against my body's biological programming because my body would have preferred to go to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:13:47 2023 No.15765777 >>15765773 Predictable and sad.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:15:19 2023 No.15765780

>>15765776
well we know your mental illness determines you to keep doing it but still, you need a formal proof. not sure you realize this is /sci/ not some faggoted philosophy religious bullshit, your 'can't prove it bro' doesn't work for science, sadly for your faggoted determined ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:15:43 2023 No.15765782 >>15765777 Hopefully your programmers add a self-correction mechanism at some point so you don't get stuck looping on mentally ill delusions. :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:16:45 2023 No.15765783 >>15765780 Your mental illness compels you to reply to that guy. You will reply to me as well. Automatonism is a hell of a disease. lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:17:45 2023 No.15765784 >>15765782 Russia lost

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:20:32 2023 No.15765787 >>15765783 sad little faggot. is that how you deal with life in general? what a pathetic weak faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:20:55 2023 No.15765788 >>15765780 You seem to be projecting. I do not have a mental illness, unless you want to call high IQ a mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:26:03 2023 No.15765794 >>15765784 >>15765787 >automatons literally losing their tiny minds lol

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:27:06 2023 No.15765796

>>15765788
if you had a high IQ you either would have presented scientific proof for your bullshit either you would have recognized it is your need for cope that make you resonate with the whole free will bullshit.
you can't even properly define, scientifically speaking. not only that, you avoid that like the plague. fuck knows what unpredictable by your moneky brain implications that would have, you wouldn't want that would you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:29:38 2023 No.15765800 >>15765784 >OMGGGGGG UHH RUSSIA HELLLOOOOOOOOOOO?!?!????!!! >OH MY SCIEEENNNNNNNCE!?!?!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:30:37 2023 No.15765801 >>15765800 Evolution has been proven

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:30:57 2023 No.15765802

>>15765796
Free will is a phenomenon that is self-evident to everyone who has it. And it requires a scientific explanation. If you do not have it then that's sad but shouldn't be an excuse for you to attack the topic unnecessarily. A blind man won't become a researcher in optics.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:31:33 2023 No.15765804
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>>15765756
>>15765758
>>15765763
>>15765764
>>15765767
>>15765773
>>15765776
>>15765780
>>15765782
>>15765783
>>15765787
>>15765796
These threads are not about any type of math or science. Nor related to math or science. They do not belong here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:31:34 2023 No.15765805 Ukraine lost. Retards will seethe.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:32:50 2023 No.15765809

>>15765802
>Free will is a phenomenon that is self-evident to everyone who has it
no see this is where you are wrong. you are attaching free will to some thing that is self-evident. you just cannot do that, in science, you need to prove that thing you "feel" it's self-evident is free will, so you get the privilege of saying that, dipshit.
you are low IQ, very fucking low IQ, lol. fucking pseud

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:33:46 2023 No.15765813 >>15764621 Chinese have no soul t.Searle

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:34:09 2023 No.15765815 >>15765809 He's right. You're wrong. It's self-evident to all real people. You lost the argument by being subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:34:22 2023 No.15765816 >>15765804 Free will and qualia require a scientific explanation. It is the goal of science to explain everything. That's why science is superior to philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:35:54 2023 No.15765820

>>15765816
no they don't if they are not real. they are retarded stories which make no fucking sense. you are randomly choosing a set of experiences you have and just declare those as being free will
>cmon bro, you get what I'm talking about.
yes that's how science goes "cmon bro, you know what I'm talking about, no need for proof"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:37:18 2023 No.15765823 >>15765816 Science is just philosophy for retards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:37:43 2023 No.15765824 >>15765815 imagine loosing the argument even if you hide behind an unprovable shit concept lol. so fucking sad.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:37:49 2023 No.15765825

>>15765820
That's exactly how science works. We observe things falling down. We call it gravity. We explore the properties of gravity. Of course someone who is blind will not see things falling down and in your case would then vehemently deny the basis for studying gravity. But that's your problem, not ours.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:38:36 2023 No.15765827 >>15765824 Imagine being enslaved to the effort of making the same post over and over only to lose every time when people correctly diagnose that you're subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:39:01 2023 No.15765828 >>15765825 yet there has never in the history of man been any free will observation lol. you are just a moron. you don't even understand why you are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:42:13 2023 No.15765834 >>15765828 Many people experience free will. I do. OP does. It is sad that you don't. But that's your deficiency and does not give you the right to attack our quest for a scientific explanation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:43:10 2023 No.15765837 >>15765801 Proof? >>15765796 Proof? >>15765784 Proof? >>15765772 Proof? >>15765756 Proof? >>15765753 Proof? >>15765742 Proof? >>15765709 Proof? >>15765707 Proof? >>15765692 Proof?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:43:21 2023 No.15765838 if you had free will, means you could exert it to make random choices. you can will yourself into being random. right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:44:10 2023 No.15765840 >>15765837 I already told you the proof by the fossil record and phylogenetic analysis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:44:23 2023 No.15765841 >>15765834 you are actually experiencing mental illness, dissonance and distress.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:44:28 2023 No.15765843 File: 954 KB, 480x558, crab corn.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765838 Define random.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:44:32 2023 No.15765844 File: 339 KB, 1439x1432, c853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >if you had free will, means you could exert it to make random choices. you can will yourself into being random. right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:45:28 2023 No.15765847 File: 5 KB, 200x200, 19dpm7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 15765838 >t

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:46:25 2023 No.15765848 >>15765843 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/random you should be able to fall within random expectancy on any test right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:47:36 2023 No.15765850 File: 32 KB, 600x668, 5324244.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you should be able to fall within random expectancy on any test right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:48:06 2023 No.15765851 >>15765848 Notice how I demanded a definition from you and you came back to Me with a link to a third party website. Are you a robot? [_] I am not a robot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:49:01 2023 No.15765853 >>15765851 you're stalling dipshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:49:07 2023 No.15765854 File: 41 KB, 641x729, 2578987654345678987654.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 15765848 >t

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:50:07 2023 No.15765857 File: 33 KB, 1152x648, 173233456783.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 15765853 >t

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:50:08 2023 No.15765858 lots of pictures means I triggered the fuck out of you. it was expected

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:50:14 2023 No.15765859 File: 88 KB, 785x1000, (you).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you're stalling dipshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:51:17 2023 No.15765861 File: 147 KB, 888x1274, 23523423.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >lots of pictures means I triggered the fuck out of you. it was expected

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:51:33 2023 No.15765863 File: 84 KB, 500x648, 806btr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >these shitty threads >every time >no exceptions

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:51:56 2023 No.15765864 >>15765642 That is a proof

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:52:06 2023 No.15765865 File: 72 KB, 779x634, 1634738483.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >lots of pictures means I triggered the fuck out of you. it was expected

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:52:18 2023 No.15765866 >>15765838 I can. It's easy in fact. I can use my free will to collapse quantum mechanical wave functions and use the result as a true randomness generator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:52:35 2023 No.15765867 File: 62 KB, 686x798, 1515493222599.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>these shitty threads >>every time >>no exceptions

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:53:26 2023 No.15765868 >>15765843 >>15765844 >>15765847 >>15765850 >>15765851 >>15765854 >>15765857 >>15765859 >>15765861 >>15765865 all expected, as usual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:53:37 2023 No.15765869 File: 99 KB, 502x498, 301767979177211.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I can. It's easy in fact. I can use my free will to collapse quantum mechanical wave functions and use the result as a true randomness generator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:54:41 2023 No.15765872 File: 124 KB, 726x750, soi_seethe_7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >all expected, as usual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:54:55 2023 No.15765874 File: 60 KB, 440x428, 1345434534.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >all expected, as usual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:55:52 2023 No.15765875 yes, also notice your meltdown

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:56:13 2023 No.15765878 File: 48 KB, 500x489, 133345345654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >yes, also notice your meltdown

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:56:27 2023 No.15765879 >defeated tard resorts to SPAMMING/FLOODING and EXTREMELY LOW QUALITY POSTS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:56:44 2023 No.15765881 File: 89 KB, 490x586, 1600746756820.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >yes, also notice your meltdown

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:57:05 2023 No.15765882 Gonna save all these 'jaks

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:57:30 2023 No.15765883 File: 29 KB, 536x502, 123456543543434.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>defeated tard resorts to SPAMMING/FLOODING and EXTREMELY LOW QUALITY POSTS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:57:46 2023 No.15765884 File: 76 KB, 300x255, 532524.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>defeated tard resorts to SPAMMING/FLOODING and EXTREMELY LOW QUALITY POSTS

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:58:48 2023 No.15765886 File: 6 KB, 225x224, h8sci.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Gonna save all these 'jaks

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:58:57 2023 No.15765887 Söyjacking is a crime against humor. It's unfunny, overused and lacking any punchline. Grow up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:59:12 2023 No.15765888 File: 35 KB, 461x467, NENpAQj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Söyjacking is a crime against humor. It's unfunny, overused and lacking any punchline. Grow up.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:00:02 2023 No.15765890
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>Söyjacking is a crime against humor. It's unfunny, overused and lacking any punchline. Grow up.
Hit the road, 'jak, and don't come back no moooaaa no moooaaaa no moooa no moooaaa. :^(

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:01:36 2023 No.15765892 File: 39 KB, 704x396, 532424.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread is unironically better now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:01:43 2023 No.15765894 File: 27 KB, 456x810, 14684848466468.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread is unironically better now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:02:39 2023 No.15765898 File: 152 KB, 782x782, 46345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>This thread is unironically better now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:03:40 2023 No.15765903 >>15765840 That's not proof.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:07:42 2023 No.15765914 >>15765892 The proof that the thread's quality increased, is self-evident. As such, it is left to the reader.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:10:26 2023 No.15765919 >>15764625 The soul is just a hypothesis you invented to explain qualia. You simply lack the imagination to generate any other hypothesis, and therefore believe that the soul is not merely an explanation but an implication.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:12:50 2023 No.15765925 File: 493 KB, 1014x627, 38529349253.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765914 >The proof that the thread's quality increased, is self-evident. As such, it is left to the reader. You sound upset.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:13:53 2023 No.15765927
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>The soul is just a hypothesis you invented to explain qualia. You simply lack the imagination to generate any other hypothesis, and therefore believe that the soul is not merely an explanation but an implication.
Anally abscessed.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:35:39 2023 No.15765973

>>15765618
A state encoding...has only human DNA, which encodes your being through enzymes, proteins, gene interactions and expressions, redundancy, brain metabolism, etc.

For example, mammals have a power law of glial cells to neurons. Indeed, much of my research is currently being used as they had little understanding of cellular metabolism, operating as if operations happened inside a vacuum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:37:05 2023 No.15765975 File: 16 KB, 490x586, 463454.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Human being is defined as a state encoding. This is an actual thing materialtards believe. lol

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:42:03 2023 No.15765984

>>15765975
What is the alternative?

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.09.20.558714v1

>alter your state
>die of cancer

You're free to believe in what you want but when you get cancer and die, just remember your biology could no longer encode the correct state.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:44:14 2023 No.15765992 >>15765984 The absolute state of physicalism...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:46:16 2023 No.15765998 >>15765984 Now show me the genetic switch for cancer of the soul.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:47:04 2023 No.15766001 >>15765998 Unironically good question. They should study NPCs and see if there's genetic basis for automatonism.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:54:07 2023 No.15766023

>>15765998
The genetic switch for cancer of the soul happens when you no longer have a state to encode. Personally, I lost everything and the cancer is constantly being fought.

It's funny how your research may lead to fundamental changes in medicine leading to a new Era of understanding and yet all they can do is mock you. Fuck me if I save your life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:00:26 2023 No.15766039 Question for the "humans are state automatons" guy: Can you create a Turing machine that suffers mentally?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:07:46 2023 No.15766058 >>15766039 I am a Turing machine and I display the neurological correlates of suffering i.e. I suffer, scientifically speaking. Q.E.D.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:11:19 2023 No.15766067

>>15766039
Why is it bad to represent a state? You are you because you identify with who you've always been (at least, for most people).

I never said you are an automaton. Suffering is always a possibility, because even if I saved your life then you would still mock me. Reality is insane hahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:21:45 2023 No.15766096 >>15766058 Go away, chatgpt. I want a human reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:23:37 2023 No.15766101 >>15765984 >posts an astronomically unrelated paper to look smart on 4 channel

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:33:42 2023 No.15766125 >>15766067 >Why is it bad to represent a state? It's not morally bad. It's just an insufficient model because you cannot account for qualia with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:47:01 2023 No.15766161 File: 48 KB, 200x200, oinkrainian.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15765784 >t.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:04:59 2023 No.15766200 >>15764608 this is how ai legitimately thinks, there is no "thinking" involved and it will never be capable of doing so, not in the "grasp" sense that humans can but rather through nearly infinite loops and checking through databases.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:12:50 2023 No.15766208

>>15766125
>your position is wrong because no free will and and no qualia.
>I happen to have a theory which both has qualia and free will and is thus real
how does your brain not suddenly just fucking quit? worse than trannies
>but muh feelings are special
>>15766200
>this is how ai legitimately thinks
so fucking retarded. apart from the fact that AGI will most likely mirror us, because we won't stop until it does, there's nothing nowhere stating it will be A DIGITAL FUCKING COMPUTER which is what the chinese room experiment is analogous to. A FUCKING DIGITAL COMPUTER/ROBOT, not fucking AGI. AGI is not a robot you fucking chimp. you absolute buffoon and humongous moron, and certainly not a fucking DIGITAL computer

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:53:24 2023 No.15766266 >>15765580 We can detect souls without even using the LHC

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:39:37 2023 No.15766387 >>15765519 >I do not respect people who construct elaborate anti academia or anti intellectual copes. It's very simple actually, modern academia can't even figure out what a woman is

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:56:09 2023 No.15766415 >>15766387 women are objects

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:20:56 2023 No.15767352 >>15765386 Isn't that the entire point the thought experiment but? The turning test is stupid A series of pre scripted "If This Then That" flowcharts regardless of complexity is not and can never "strong" artificial intelligence?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:29:25 2023 No.15767378 >>15767352 There are ill conceived thought experiments designed to prey upon the weak/ill informed people. Sort of like the dumb physics troll comics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:30:58 2023 No.15767383 >>15767378 Name of thing wrong with Searle's argument without hallucinating statements and implications that aren't part of the actual argument. You can't.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:59:19 2023 No.15767435
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>>15767378
>>15767383
Yes what's wrong with it?

The Chinese Room is just the counter argument to the imitation game i.e. simply any system capable of "passing" for human can be thought of as intelligent. Which is absurd.

The "weak" interpretation of doesn't prove souls exists or machine can't think. Just that Alan Turing was talking shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:11:59 2023 No.15767474 >>15767435 >>15767383 Searle's argument relies upon a homunculi within a system that holds a special space for which the homunculi in the system has to "understand." Its a nonsensical argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:19:01 2023 No.15767497 >>15767474 No it doesn't. It just says there's a subroutine in the program that matches the input with the proper output.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:21:08 2023 No.15767506 >>15767474 >Searle's argument relies upon a homunculi within a system Source on this claim? Your interpretation sounds like outright schizophrenia to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:22:13 2023 No.15767509 >>15767435 You are mentally ill. Please stop pestering everyone begging them to allow you to execute your dialogue tree.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:28:51 2023 No.15767532

>>15767497
Then he says the subroutine has to "understand" for there to be understanding.

Its again, nonsense. The neurons firing in our brains dont understand let alone have any access to sights. They're just firing electrical signals. Thats all it is. Its the whole system that understands the natural world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:30:45 2023 No.15767539 >>15767532 >The neurons firing in our brains dont understand Why not?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:31:26 2023 No.15768243 >>15764608 >So what does Searle's Room prove to begin with? Its premise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:32:28 2023 No.15768245 >>15767532 Notice how your mental illness precludes you from replying to >>15767506

>>	bodhi Sun Sep 24 17:34:10 2023 No.15768252 NPCs cannot be awakened they are automatons

>>	bodhi Sun Sep 24 17:37:50 2023 No.15768265 File: 102 KB, 1000x966, Plebfag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:14:56 2023 No.15768337 >>15768265 You're not based enough to quote Weininger.

>>	bodhi Sun Sep 24 18:21:35 2023 No.15768346 >>15768337 you faggots didnt know what based was before I came here and showed you

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:35:05 2023 No.15768368

>>15764608
>Recall a prior experience you've had that was especially traumatic
That's a physical process.
>Your physical body will react
So a physical body reacts to a physical process, that's crazy.
>Are you perpetually stuck in Searle's Room? Or are you a Human Being?
Pointless question. Also, impossible to answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:46:35 2023 No.15768562 >>15768337 >>15768346 "based" is ebonics

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