/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15756562]

I'm pretty retarded but I read this and it seemed more retarded:

When inflation occurred directly after the big bang where the universe violently expanded from microscopic to 100s of millions of light years across effectively instantly (in 10-37 seconds).

Pulled off some shithole. Not relevant, what is relevant is how. What exactly does this mean? 3 dimensional empty space is infinite. What the fuck was there before if space/reality expanded into it? A brick wall that didn't occupy space or something?

Basically, what the fuck expanded? And why can it expand faster than light?

[Anonymous No.15756573]

>>15756562
The problem of creating something out of nothing is where science ends and religion and mysticism begins. We don't know, and I don't think we can ever really know for certain.

[Anonymous No.15756582]

>>15756573
>>15756562
I should reiterate my question:

What was expanded into, if not empty, 3 dimensional space? How did it expand faster than light?

[Anonymous No.15756584]

>>15756582
It's not something that we can ever know. And for that reason, life and existence itself seems rather suspicious to me.

[Anonymous No.15756604]

>>15756562
This is what happens when you extrapolate math beyond what math was meant to be used for: a language for describing observable reality. It's a meaningless conceptualization that is in some way mathematically coherent but without any bearing on reality

[Anonymous No.15756666]

>>15756562
atheists in shambles

[Anonymous No.15756675]

>>15756582
>What was expanded into
That's begging the question. Why do you assume it needs to expand into anything? Why can't it just expand?

But yeah there are no satisfying answers to this because it's beyond our current understanding. If you really want a straightforward answer then become religious, otherwise get used to it or advance cosmology by yourself.

[Anonymous No.15756678]

>>15756675
>That's begging the question.
That is quite silly of you.

Where does space end? That's what the universe is expanding into. If our universe is still expanding, what exactly is 1 foot past the very edge of the expanding universe? Is it empty space? How is empty space not the universe, and what the fuck is expanding, then, exactly?

[Anonymous No.15756683]

>>15756666
>those quads

[Anonymous No.15756716]

>>15756562
It always had infinite extent. The figures you cite are just the scale factor increase as it applies to the specific volume of universe that became our observable universe.

It’s easier if you remember your linear algebra.

[Anonymous No.15756720]

>>15756678
>Is it empty space?
God's parent's garage. And they're probably tell HIM to clean up his junk because it isn't amounting to anything useful.

[Anonymous No.15756723]

>>15756678
This is a silly conversation since most of the relevant information is falsifiable, but the universe is likely infinite. We can only measure a fraction of it and measure its expansion based on how local galaxies are moving away from one another. So the distance between two points in the infinite universe is increasing over time.

[Anonymous No.15756725]

>>15756723
>most of the relevant information is falsifiable
unfalsifiable*

[Anonymous No.15756734]

>>15756562
>what the fuck expanded?
Space expanded.

[Anonymous No.15756878]

>>15756562
>Basically, what the fuck expanded?
degrees of freedom
And why can it expand faster than light?
because light moves within those degrees of freedom

[Anonymous No.15756889]

>>15756562
The universe is a fractal. Within each black hole is a child universe. The formation of a black hole in a parent universe is the Big Bang and inflation of a child universe. The testable thing to this theory is that there is a time dilation between child-parent universes.

[Anonymous No.15756904]

>>15756720
lol i like imagining that

[Anonymous No.15757082]

>>15756582
You are misunderstanding what space and distance mean. They are relative. For there to be a distance, there has to be two reference points from which you measure the distance between. If there is an object A which is the farthest to the left in the universe, then there is no object further to the left from which you can measure the distance to A from. So the question really makes no sense to begin with. You don't even need general relativitt to underatand this; the notion of distance being purely a relational phenomenon dates all the way back to the Galilean relativity of the 17th century

[Anonymous No.15757088]

>>15757082
In other words, space is only defined as the distance between objects. Without objects, it is ill-defined. To assert that space expands is purely to assert that the distance between any two existing objects is increasing.

[Anonymous No.15757155]

>>15756582
Cosmology PhD here
How the fuck should I know?

[Anonymous No.15757171]

>>15756582
>What was expanded into, if not empty, 3 dimensional space?
A field of potential.

[Anonymous No.15757184]

>>15756666
Theists can't explain the answer either without the same tired old mysterious ways conclusion.

[Anonymous No.15757384]

>>15757082
a mile is a mile dumb bitch what was one mile to the left from the singularity that went bang?

was it empty 3d space or not. if not, what is this strange medium that space occupies?

[Anonymous No.15757391]

>>15757384
Space occupied fields, the fields outside the boundaries of space are fields of pure potential.

[Anonymous No.15757472]

>>15756573
>creating something out of nothing
this is where the discussion goes wrong. very wrong
its just making one big fat ignorant assumption.

there is/was something, just because mainstream science doesn't know or cant explain what that something is, doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.15757477]

>>15757472
>there is/was something
>what that something is
Nothing is something

[Anonymous No.15757485]

>Nothing is something
Word-thinkerism turns humans into meat GPTs.

[Anonymous No.15757503]

>>15757485
Its not just a word, it can be quantified , enumerated, and put into a set too.

[Anonymous No.15757507]

>>15757503
>dumb wordbot can't even write a coherent reply
This is the final state of wordthinkerism.

[Anonymous No.15757523]

>>15757507
>words are bad so everything is incomprehensible to me

[Barkun No.15757529]

>>15757523
There is a special language to counter maleficent letters LIKE E and O. You need to not accept thoughts of that type nor speak in that manner. Word is ok bar the bad letters.

[Anonymous No.15757532]

>>15757529
>let me explain why words are bad using words
incompetent

[Anonymous No.15757533]

>>15757523
Words are ok. Wordthinking retards, on the other hand... "nothing is something"... Jesus Clownfucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.15757540]

>>15756562
Human language is imperfect and ambiguous so if you even want to understand your question and the answer to your question you'll have to study general relativity. English isn't a valid sostitute for math

[Barkun No.15757541]

>>15757533
Boy oh boy

[Anonymous No.15757568]

>>15756562
Inflation is trying to answer a problem in cosmology. Every direction we look the universe is similar. It's not like there are stars in one direction and no stars in another. And yet there exists clumps of matter. So the universe is the same in all directions but not uniform in all directions.

So somehow the universe in its earliest stages 'Knew' that there needed to be some pockets that were less dense than others and at the same time 'knew' that the opposite end of the universe would do the exact same thing. Which is goddamned impossible.

Enter inflation. If the universe effectively 'painted' the outer edge on all sides with quantum bubbles of information it could create slightly higher and lower places of energy where matter could form and clump together before quickly expanding so that such quantum bubbles weren't obliterated by all the energy of the early universe.

We're just trying to make sense of what we see man.

[Anonymous No.15757618]

>>15757384
Space is NOT a medium though; it's the distance between any two objects. The distance between objects is increasing; that's what physicists mean when we say space expands. It does not make sense to ask "expanding into what;" it's an ill-formed question. For all we know, the universe is infinite and homogenous. In that case, space doesn't expand "into" anything-- it exists everywhere that there are two objects to compare, which would be everywhere, forever.

[Anonymous No.15757624]

>>15757568
>Inflation is trying to answer a problem in cosmology
It tries to answer it under the unproven and unprovable assumption that if we were observing from some other location, everything would look the same. It's literally all based on the article of faith that our location can't be special in any way. Cosmology is religion.

[Anonymous No.15757632]

>>15756562
Why are you asking questions you know nobody can answer?

[Anonymous No.15757634]

>>15757618
(cont.) This is the same reason that scientists say the Big Bang happened "everywhere." Because there is no absolute notion of space and time; they exist relative to any two objects you compare. The Big Bang singularity is not a way of saying "there was once a time when everything was packed into a single point in outer space," it's saying "there was once a time when everything was infinitely dense." These are not the same statement whatsoever, and if you cannot understand that, then I don't know if I can help you any further; you have to use a little imagination to understand mathematics intuitively, my friend; if you just use your Earthly notions of space, time, etc. then you will undoubtedly keep coming up with nonsensical questions like these that no practicing physicist in their right mind could ever answer

[Anonymous No.15757644]

>>15757634
In other words, "everything being infinitely close together" still does not imply that there is a boundary; because there are infinite "things," the universe still exists everywhere, even if the distance between the "things" is 0

[Anonymous No.15757647]

>>15757618
>Space is NOT a medium though
>The distance between objects is increasing
If space is not a medium, how can the distance be increasing? What's changing? You're telling me it's not due to motion of the objects themselves, and not due to "space" being an actual thing that expands. What is it? Magic?

[Anonymous No.15757890]

>>15757533
Nothing is something though and its not just a word, its a representation of a specific quantity that can be represented with many different words and thoroughly defined mathematical symbols.

[Anonymous No.15757892]

>>15757890
Sorry about your profound mental illness.

[Anonymous No.15757895]

>>15757892
Sorry about your verbal and mathematical illiteracy that makes everything seem insane to you.

[Anonymous No.15757897]

>>15756720
The universe is nothing but part of a larger computer. If the denizens of this universe manage to come up with a reversal to Entropy, this nation is a 1, if not, 0

[Anonymous No.15757904]

>>15757533
>Wordthinking retards
But you are the wordthinking retard who simply can't accept that nothing is something because they are two different words even though one of the words clearly has properties that logically align with properties of the other when you actually sit down and analyze them and break them down their value statements to their core components.

[Anonymous No.15757910]

>nothing is something because they are two different words

[Anonymous No.15757917]

>>15757910
>me word think so different words can't mean same thing because words different not same

[Anonymous No.15757923]

>>me word think so different words can't mean same thing because words different not same
Imagine being so mad you can't even form coherent thoughts anymore.

[Anonymous No.15757932]

>>15757923
>grug can use dum memes like NPC other people no can use dum memes like grug

[Anonymous No.15757935]

>>15757910
Image having such a failing argument that you have to take a quote completely out of context to feel vindicated since you simply can't accept that two different words can mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.15757939]

Him:
>nothing is something because they are two different words

Also him:
>>me word think so different words can't mean same thing because words different not same

[Anonymous No.15757949]

>>15757939
>nothing is something because they are two different words
You went full retard by quoting out of context, the actual quote was
>(You) can't accept that nothing is something because they are two different words
After that I just mocked you and pointed out you are grug tier stupid in your word thinking where you can just ignore whatever words you want and reconstruct the sentence to make it mean whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.15757953]

>nothing is something because they are two different words
What do wordthinking bots mean when they say things like this? Is there some kind of actual thought process? Is it a bug? What's going on?

[Anonymous No.15757964]

>>15757953
Again if you didn't keep taking the quote out of context, you could make sense of the sentence and realize that nothing is something, but you can't accept that simply because they are two different words and you are a word thinking retard.

[Anonymous No.15757974]

>Nooo, I didn't heckin' mean what I literally said
Then you shouldn't have said it.

[Anonymous No.15757976]

>>15756582
Time is expanding just as much and you're not asking when its expanding into are you?

[Anonymous No.15757977]

>>15757974
I literally said you "can't accept that nothing is something because they are two different words" and you literally took it out of context to make it conform to your retarded word thinking.

[Anonymous No.15757991]

>nothing is something, ok?
>it just heckin' is
Why do mentally ill people have opinions like this?

[Anonymous No.15758000]

I'm am just a humble schizobabbling anon but I don't think space is expanding. I think the universal speed limit is getting slower.

[Anonymous No.15758006]

>>15757991
>>it just heckin' is
Except I gave you several reason why it is something.
>>15757503
>>15757890
It is a value, it can be quantified, it refers to a specific amount, it is the entire basis of the most primitive set and it has many other words and mathematical symbols that describe it, so not only is it some thing, it is one of the most well documented and mathematically defined things to have ever existed.

[Anonymous No.15758019]

>nothing is a value
>nothing can be quantified
>nothing refers to a specific amount
The more you witness points like this, the more you realize trying to educate middling IQs results in mental illness. It's abuse. Their vocabulary should be strictly limited and they should not be taught how to read and write.

[Anonymous No.15758027]

>>15758019
Since you have made 0 logical points and said nothing rational, I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.15758049]

>>15758019
You expect people to believe that some sociopath that almost exclusively uses abusive language is actually that concerned about abusing language?

[Anonymous No.15758056]

>nothing is a value
>nothing can be quantified
>nothing refers to a specific amount
What could comple a man to spew things like this?

[Anonymous No.15758065]

>>15758056
Reality and the truth of the matter given you clearly can't actually explain how any of that is wrong and in claiming that nothing isn't something you would still have to accept that must be something else.

[Anonymous No.15758066]

>>15756573
But you can't really know we will never know for certain for certain

[Anonymous No.15758070]

Why do mentally ill people have this crazy tendency to pester those who repeatedly ignore them?

[Anonymous No.15758083]

I still accept you concession.

[Anonymous No.15758106]

I still accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.15758111]

I accept your female circumcision.

[Anonymous No.15758173]

>>15758111
Did you do it for cultural or aesthetic reasons?

[Anonymous No.15758916]

>>15757634
>This is the same reason that scientists say the Big Bang happened "everywhere." Because there is no absolute notion of space and time; they exist relative to any two objects you compare. The Big Bang singularity is not a way of saying "there was once a time when everything was packed into a single point in outer space," it's saying "there was once a time when everything was infinitely dense."
This sounds like a Christian is speaking to me, honestly. This entire statement was nonsense. I don't care what your math says, this is dumb as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15759015]

>>15756562
Spacetime isn't a "thing". It's a mathematical construct.
Inflation means that the distance between galaxies appears to be increasing, for reasons unknown.

[Anonymous No.15759212]

>>15756584
yet we exist. maybe we are entropic noise inside an electron cloud part of a real universe
having high iq is so terrifying

[Anonymous No.15760140]

>>15759212
Hardware exists, software is just simulated.

[Anonymous No.15760170]

>>15756582
The speed of light is the information speed limit of information within space time. Space time - itself - inflated and is not bounded to the speed of light, like the information contained inside is.

What did it expand into? The Roman poet and orator Cado of Cisalpine Gaul once wrote of an empty void, devoid of everything. He postulated, since it's devoid of everything, it is simultaneously both filled and empty. Death and birth. Some modern physicists refer to the "region" outside the universe, that was beyond the edge during inflation, "Cado's Gape".