How do we solve the issue of plastic pollution?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:01:17 2023 No.15753606 [Reply] [Original]

How do we solve the issue of plastic pollution?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:05:18 2023 No.15753612 >>15753606 Human Extinction Civilisation is Cancer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:05:20 2023 No.15753613 File: 298 KB, 380x379, jews did this.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] same as every other problem. the ultimate solution is antisemitism

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:06:21 2023 No.15753615 >>15753612 have you killed yourself yet? why not?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:06:48 2023 No.15753616

>>15753606
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
1. If you never produce something, it won't end up in the oceans
2. If you don't throw away what you have, it won't end up in the oceans
3. If you really do have to throw it away, recycle it rather than throwing it in the ocean

As for what's already in there, get it out and make the polluters pay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:08:56 2023 No.15753618 >>15753616 Recycling plastics literally isn't a thing, they just burn it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:11:57 2023 No.15753623 >>15753615 I have a feeling that killing you would prevent more pollution. Also, one can kill more than one "person" like you.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:14:08 2023 No.15753628

>>15753618
That depends. PET recycling is a thing and PET ends up in the oceans all the time. But I agree, it's not always possible or economical. Burning the plastic and heating someone's house is preferable to polluting the oceans. But only if you tried the other three things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:14:40 2023 No.15753629 >>15753618 That's better than tossing it in the ocean.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:22:38 2023 No.15753643
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>>15753612
The problem are parasites, dead weight that only wastes resources. If all the godless degenerate population needs to be brutally eradicated so be it. I would personally sacrifice 90% of all the population to save that 10% who can actually produce and advance mankind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:32:08 2023 No.15753665 >>15753606 Genetically engineer some organism to eat it and crap out something useful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:48:07 2023 No.15753686 >>15753606 nuke asia

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:49:05 2023 No.15753687 >>15753606 Permit the use of the plastic as fuel in a pyrolisis unit without having to pay all the fees and taxes that are in place now. This is not a technical problem. It is a legal problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:02:47 2023 No.15753696 >>15753606 Just tariff imported plastic up to the level that it's not cheaper to make somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:58:37 2023 No.15753774 >I'm gooonnaaaa save the world!!!! >just like muh superheroes in muh marvel comix mooooovvvies!!! >i'm sooo moral and superior

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:10:59 2023 No.15753800 Is polypropylene recycable? I see a lot of that, third to HDPE and PETE.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:23:45 2023 No.15753825

>>15753800
in theory yes, you should be able to melt and reform it since it's a thermoplastic not a thermoset, but there are so many varieties and additives that when you melt it, it just becomes this goopy slag shit.
I experiment with plastic recycling at home in my spare time and I've only really been successful with anything that will dissolve in gasoline or solvents available at a hardware store. I've tried some melts but they only work if I save up an amount of the exact same type of packaging material. Even if the resin ID codes all match they usually get fucked up. The next thing I want to try is batches in a pressure cooker with small amounts of solvent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:28:04 2023 No.15753832 >>15753825 >resin ID codes all match they usually get fucked up People put melamine in water to make it look like milk. The IDs on your plastic packaging are just as useless, chemically speaking.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:30:01 2023 No.15753836

>>15753606
A) Don't worry about it. Plastic's main detriment is it's unsightly nature. It also breaks down so it's a matter of time.

B) Remove government regulations that make landfill creation expensive and waste incineration impossible. Throwing crap in the ground is an excellent way of disposing of it. Future civilizations will use our dumps as ore deposits.

Really if you just burn plastic, it's gone. Bottle the gas if your that scared. Government regulations wont save you though as there's no financial incentive behind upholding them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:31:18 2023 No.15753838 >>15753612 The dysgenics crisis that has been ongoing since the 1850s will destroy this civilization ass it did with Rome. Civilization is cyclical.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:33:29 2023 No.15753842

>>15753665
They already exist for many chemicals and are likely adapting to consume more.
Creating an organism that is highly efficient at breaking down plastics is idiotic. One of plastics useful properties is low reactivity, we don't need shipworm 2.0 for plastic boats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:34:24 2023 No.15753844 >>15753836 >The American Right: solar panels and windmills should be banned because they're an eyesore >Also the American Right: plastic pollution is fine because it's just an eyesore so we should deregulate dumping plastic everywhere

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:34:39 2023 No.15753845 >>15753687 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:34:59 2023 No.15753847 >>15753838 Rome was never destroyed. Anyone who speaks English essentially speaks half Roman half Frisian.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:35:41 2023 No.15753849 >>15753844 >solar panels and windmills should be banned because they're an eyesore Not at all, if you own land you ought to be able to do with it as you please. There should be no laws governing what you put on your land.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:37:13 2023 No.15753852 >>15753844 >The American Right: ban environmental eyesores >The American Left: my television news is a prophet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:37:23 2023 No.15753853 >>15753847 Complex civilization was shrunk down to tiny areas. The point is that we won't be having the sort of modern medicine or farming that sustains either the type or size of populations we have now. Watch Edward Dutton.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:38:01 2023 No.15753855 >>15753849 >fast forward to you complaining about the government putting solar panels on government land to power public works and buildings

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:39:15 2023 No.15753857 >>15753852 >Left That's a weird way of spelling 'Right'. Nobody worships television the way conservatives worship Fox News.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:40:14 2023 No.15753858 >>15753849 Bullshit. If you're an asshole who shits in my water because you live upstream, then people who live downstream from you should unionize to stop you from shitting in their water.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:41:18 2023 No.15753859 >>15753857 if you think that the left doesn't worship media then you're willfully delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:42:19 2023 No.15753861 >>15753857 It's 2023. Fox News is LEFT. Right is just anything that lobbyists won't spend money on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:44:31 2023 No.15753865 >>15753853 Nothing was lost when Rome's politcal borders were slowly dissolved. Nothing will be lost when ours are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:44:33 2023 No.15753866 >>15753859 >>15753861 >NOOO!!1 ALEX JONES IS THE ONE TRUE PROPHET!1!

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:47:56 2023 No.15753869

>>15753866
I don't watch Alex Jones. Acting like this is an exclusively rightoid behaviour is retarded. The normies of the left and right both lean too heavily on the influence of media, but by and large the mass media right now is very left leaning and if you think this isn't true, you live in a bubble.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:48:20 2023 No.15753870

>>15753855
The issue there is not that it's renewable energy, it's that it's government spending. They could be filling government land will gold plated trump statues and the issue would be the same.
If you want to take private capital and invest in creating a solar farm, go do it.

Bringing up a point on renewables, have you any idea of the levelized cost of electricity generated by onshore wind, solar and coal? I've seen 2 claims that solar lies around $50-70/MWh, both without sources. I find it difficult to believe this is the case, as if it were I'd expect we would've already seen widespread adoption of it by private companies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:48:27 2023 No.15753871 >>15753866 How can you even listen to him? I tried once and it's like Randy Savage narrating The Heart of Darkness

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:49:23 2023 No.15753874 >>15753865 if that makes you feel comfortable, but i'd suggest giving Dutton a watch first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:52:03 2023 No.15753877 >>15753869 >Joe Rogan is totally left wing, just trust me bro

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:53:03 2023 No.15753879

>>15753858
>should unionize to stop you
don't know what that entails.
If you want to modify people's activity, ostracize them. When they come to you for something, deny them the service and tell them why. If they value your interaction more than shitting in a stream, then they will stop polluting the stream.

Free markets solve these problems far more morally than using the government.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:53:43 2023 No.15753880 >>15753874 I just googled him and he's a millennia with a youtube channel. Really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:54:15 2023 No.15753881 >>15753858 Not to mention it's neither their or his water.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:55:20 2023 No.15753883 File: 952 KB, 720x404, 1683319802341671.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753606 nuke India

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:56:16 2023 No.15753884

>>15753870
What happened to you can do anything you want on land you own? The government owns it, the government has enough money to build solar, and so by your logic the government should be able to build solar on their land with impunity. You're a hypocrite.

>They could be filling government land will gold plated trump statues and the issue would be the same.
So you agree that we should be taking down monuments put up with government money on government land? Because it's a waste of taxpayer money? Or do those need to be left up to "protect history"? Hypocrite.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:58:39 2023 No.15753890
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>>15753858
What if the person upstream from you shits 45 billion liters a day of raw sewage into the water? What then?
>‘Diseases, mosquitoes, filth’: India’s urban centres are choking on sewage and waste
https://youtu.be/83t0hdJG8AI?si=lAASSMuspqXmXYN3

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:59:42 2023 No.15753892

>>15753880
Look at his rants on dysgenics. Interesting way to look at things. Makes sense that if dumb people have more kids than smart people, the next generation will be dumber. Repeat for all civilization maintaining traits.
The issue with the film Idiocracy is that without people smart enough to maintain the machines of complex civilization those machines will stop functioning.
It follows that if these dumb people rely on those machines, that they will begin to die off. Eventually you return to the dark ages, the dysgenic pressures are removed and replaced with more natural eugenic ones, and useful traits are again selected for.
Eventually you return to widespread complex civilization and it repeats.

Only way out of the cycle is eugenics. Artificially act against dysgenic selection pressures to prevent genetic decline during complex civilization.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:03:24 2023 No.15753896

>>15753884
The government is a person nor is it a company under ownership of persons.
The government also uses theft to fund every activity it carries out.

>So you agree that we should be taking down monuments put up with government money on government land?
That activity would require more taxes to be spent. The reason for them being pulled down is because narcissist are offended on someone else's behalf by the statues, not because they cost money to maintain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:04:43 2023 No.15753898 >>15753842 >Creating an organism that is highly efficient at breaking down plastics is idiotic. Not if you make the right investments before you release them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:07:12 2023 No.15753903 >>15753898 Closely following Mrs Pelosi's investments will help you determine which ones are the right ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:08:13 2023 No.15753905 >>15753606 make more plastic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:09:53 2023 No.15753907 >>15753903 >Nancy Pelosi is a Pierson's Puppeteer I buy it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:10:34 2023 No.15753908 >>15753890 Then the people downstream can unionize to kill him and stop his 45B shits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:12:14 2023 No.15753912 >>15753884 Government is a corporation owned by the people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:14:05 2023 No.15753914 >>15753892 >if dumb people have more kids than smart people, the next generation will be dumber Only if you don't change the measurement.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:14:15 2023 No.15753915
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>>15753908
What if there is so much shit in the water, it evaporates and makes an "unexplainable" weather phenomena known as the Indian Ocean Brown Cloud and leads to precipitation for 3-4 months a year where it literally rains shit in a wide geographical radius? Do you think just unionizing is going to fix that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:19:01 2023 No.15753921 >>15753915 >Do you think just unionizing is going to fix that? I think It already did. Nationalism acted as an umbrella to internationalism and poo in the loo got fixed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:20:29 2023 No.15753924 File: 622 KB, 1171x1655, open defecation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753921 >poo in the loo got fixed. Data not found.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:27:41 2023 No.15753935 >>15753924 >poor people shit in the street They do that in NYC, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:30:04 2023 No.15753939 >>15753935 Not on the same scale.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:34:56 2023 No.15753948 >>15753939 Doubt it. I've never lived there but pick any big trading city in India on the ocean. Do the poor people there have more or less outdoor shit per capita than those in NYC?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:03:51 2023 No.15754008 >>15753896 >>15753912 Pick a lane. Either the owner of a property can do whatever they want with that property, including the government, or regulations dictating land use are legit and necessary. You are hypocrites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:06:33 2023 No.15754009 >>15754008 Not if the people getting shit on unionize. Then the owner will either stop shitting everywhere or die.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:07:27 2023 No.15754011 >>15753606 Change them into edible fast food for Americans They either die eating it or become reservoirs for it

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:12:29 2023 No.15754019

>>15754009
Then secede you massive pussy. If you hate the government then why are you trying to participate in it? Is it because there's no jobs, services, or taxable population on your land? Sounds like your hypocritical ass is dependent on the government and doesn't want to admit it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:12:41 2023 No.15754020

>>15754008
>including the government
No, because the government is neither a person, nor owned by people. It cannot own property in the first place.
As stated before, all government action is carried out with stolen property. Even if you considered that the government could spend "it's" money, the property it has stolen must be returned to it's rightful owners.

You are a statist idiot.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:15:28 2023 No.15754023

>>15754020
The government is a legal entity no different from a corporate or individual in our legal system. The laws apply equally to every legal entity, you massive retard.

>all government action is carried out with stolen property.
Then why don't you stop paying taxes and secede? Is it because you're a coward and unwilling to acknowledge your reliance on the government?

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:18:22 2023 No.15754029

>>15754019
>If you hate the government then why are you trying to participate in it?
I'm not.
>Is it because there's no jobs, services, or taxable population on your land?
I live in NYC. We have all of that on our land.
>Sounds like your hypocritical ass is dependent on the government
Who isn't dependent on the government?
>and doesn't want to admit it.
You're an idiot lol.
>Then secede you massive pussy.
I do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:22:10 2023 No.15754037 >>15754020 >It cannot own property in the first place No one can own property without a union that defines and defends ownership.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:22:28 2023 No.15754039

>>15754029
>I live in NYC
So you own no land whatsoever and you are hypocritically telling other people what to do with their property. You are a hypocrite.

>Who isn't dependent on the government?
So you acknowledge that you are a hypocrite. Grow up and find a logically consistent world view.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:24:53 2023 No.15754044

>>15754023
The government declares that it owns your property, do you object? It now declares that you must die, do you object?

You own your body and by extension all of your property. This is how a company can own property.
The government is not owned by anybody, instead it is a gang of thieves and criminals that they use to facilitate their criminality.

>Then why don't you stop paying taxes and secede?
If you stop paying taxes the government will escalate the situation until you are murdered by them. You are a disgusting statist kapo, defending your masters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:25:48 2023 No.15754047 >>15754039 >hypocritically, hypocrite How so? Combine any two things I've said and show how the first precludes the second.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:26:11 2023 No.15754048 >>15754037 Wrong. You own your body and your property. You are not granted your property by a tyrant or a mob.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:27:50 2023 No.15754054 >>15754044 Not him but ownership presupposes law which presupposes a state.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:29:00 2023 No.15754057 >>15754054 Do you really need a government to tell you that your body belongs to you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:29:00 2023 No.15754056 >>15754048 >You are not granted your property by a tyrant or a mob A deed means nothing without a state to enforce it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:30:19 2023 No.15754059 >>15754056 You don't need a government to enforce contracts. The negative impacts of social ostracization is sufficient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:31:21 2023 No.15754062 >>15754057 Yes. Otherwise big fags can rape me in the street and there's nothing I can do about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:32:22 2023 No.15754064 >>15754059 >social ostracization Is a union.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:32:41 2023 No.15754067 >>15754062 Buy a gun, shoot them. Technology has advanced to eliminate this problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:35:00 2023 No.15754071 >>15754064 Is a union is an individual deciding not to trade with another person because of that individual's opinions on their actions?

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:35:37 2023 No.15754072

>>15754044
So to summarize, you are dependent on the government but refuse to admit it and you are afraid to openly oppose that government, so instead you bitch about it online and whine about how you should be able to do whatever you want and the government shouldn't be allowed to do anything. You are a hypocrite. The world would be a better place if you just killed yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:36:55 2023 No.15754075 >>15754047 You don't own land and you want to dictate the use of land to other people. That's hypocrisy. Have you fried your brain with mental gymnastics?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:37:57 2023 No.15754079 >>15754071 Do you understand what "ostracization" means?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:39:04 2023 No.15754081 >>15754079 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:42:22 2023 No.15754088 >>15754067 I can't because if I do I'll get raped in jail. >>15754071 A union is when people who live in the same place and do the same job tell the boss to eat a dick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:43:22 2023 No.15754090 >>15754075 No one owns land without a state.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:44:17 2023 No.15754093 >>15754081 So then you know an individual can't ostracize anyone because by definition it's an act carried out by a group of people, right? Meaning it takes a union to ostracize someone.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:45:33 2023 No.15754097

>>15754088
>I can't because if I do I'll get raped in jail.
This is why governments are bad. With a smaller or non existent government, this would not be an issue.

>A union is when people who live in the same place and do the same job tell the boss to eat a dick.
Then it is a form of social ostracization. Not the other way around as >>15754064 said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:46:14 2023 No.15754098 >>15754090 Great, so you agree that the state can do with it's land what it pleases, or that it's subject to the same restrictions on land use as everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:47:59 2023 No.15754101 >>15754090 Without a state, either you own land as any other property, or >>15754098. In either case, the statist loses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:50:42 2023 No.15754110 >>15754097 >With a smaller or non existent government, this would not be an issue. No, you'd get raped a lot more without a credible state. >>15754097 That's me and that's what I said. Unions are good if they're functional. They're not if they're not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:54:10 2023 No.15754125 >>15754110 >No, you'd get raped a lot more without a credible state. Why? >That's me and that's what I said. Social ostracization is not a union. Unions are a form of social ostracization.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:54:35 2023 No.15754128 >>15753628 >Burning the plastic and heating someone's house is preferable to polluting the oceans. Source?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:55:04 2023 No.15754130 >>15754098 The state can do whatever it wants, up to the point that a union of people becomes violent enough to change the state. >>15754101 No, you can't own anything without a state. You can defend something you want but you can't own it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:56:05 2023 No.15754133 >>15754125 Ostracization is a union of bullies bullying someone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:56:17 2023 No.15754134 >>15754128 Plastic in the oceans looks bad. Burned plastic does not look bad because it forms gasses that diffuse into the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:57:46 2023 No.15754139 >>15754130 >You can defend something you want but you can't own it. It seems you believe ownership is a matter of a man with a crown having a ceremony and declaring you own it. You own property in the same way you own your body.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:58:58 2023 No.15754143 >>15754125 >>you'd get raped a lot more without a credible state. >Why? Missed that. Really? If people weren't socially obligated to "law" you think they'd act the same?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:59:03 2023 No.15754144 >>15754133 Nobody is bullying anyone. It is an individual decidng to not interact with another.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:01:22 2023 No.15754148 >>15754143 San Francisco has a crime problem, if the government in that region no longer prohibited people from carrying and using firearms, it is obvious that that criminal activity would vastly reduce.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:01:36 2023 No.15754150 >>15754139 >ownership is a matter of a man with a crown Sure. I'll agree with that. How do you think it can be different?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:06:47 2023 No.15754158 >>15754144 >an individual decidng to not interact with another That's not ostracization. One individual can't ostracize another individual unless the first is somehow more "popular" (which erases "individual")

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:10:00 2023 No.15754162 >>15754148 While I agree that dropping guns in SF by helicopter would probably reduce street shitting there. >criminal activity Can only be defined by a union of people. So you're agreeing with me, not disagreeing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:11:58 2023 No.15754167 >>15754134 >Plastic in the oceans looks bad. Does it? Where does it actually accumulate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:11:58 2023 No.15754168 >>15754150 You say you own it, the fact there isn't a bunch of people who live nearby angrily disagreeing and telling of a convincing story that you stole it backs that up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:13:01 2023 No.15754169 >>15754158 Wrong, the base unit of ostracization is you making that decision.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:15:20 2023 No.15754170

>>15754162
>[criminal activity] Can only be defined by a union of people.
I think it's universally obvious what criminal activity is. Even if that weren't the case, by allowing people to determine what is right and wrong for themselves, natural selection would home in on what it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:16:52 2023 No.15754171 >>15754167 That's what I'm told. People also say that various animals are adversely affected by it too. Thankfully human's don't need these animals to stay alive, those that we do are already kept as pets or livestock.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:17:50 2023 No.15754172 >>15754168 Yeah, unions all the way down. (Make sure it's geography, not bureaucracy.) >>15754169 >base unit You can't ostracize someone from your own mind. Ostracization presupposes other people who agree with you and act the same way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:19:27 2023 No.15754175 >>15754171 >Thankfully human's don't need these animals to stay alive, those that we do are already kept as pets or livestock. Yeah, that is my point. Why would you want to kill humans with toxic fumes if that's the case?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:21:18 2023 No.15754178 >>15754170 If your kid was going to die and all you needed to do was break 1 window to steal something from a rich family, you wouldn't do that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:21:38 2023 No.15754182 >>15754172 >Ostracization presupposes other people who agree with you and act the same way. It's the net effect of individuals doing what I've already said. What you're speaking to is the effectiveness of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:23:33 2023 No.15754183 >>15754175 >Why would you want to kill humans You wouldn't, and are unlikely to unless someone climbs your chimney and starts huffing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:24:48 2023 No.15754184 >>15754182 No, I'm saying either way it's a union of people.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:25:45 2023 No.15754186

>>15754178
Sure. And because under such a system there isn't a government dishing out laws, I would not receive an active punishment, only a passive loss of opportunity via interacting with other people.
Since most people can see that the harm done for the significant loss saved, I am unlikely to loose much opportunity, i.e face less ostracization.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:28:09 2023 No.15754192 >>15754184 ok whatever

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:32:37 2023 No.15754196 >>15754192 How's the "state" union of bullies worse that the "nonstate" union of bullies? >>15754186 Sure, but whatever you're arguing for is still based on ostracization, which involves a union of people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:34:56 2023 No.15754201 File: 555 KB, 1200x1400, 23850.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753844 Americans don't produce plastic pollution, Americans dispose of their waste like civilized people

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:38:56 2023 No.15754211 >>15754201 All of that is rich Americans selling plastic trash to poor Americans. The water pollution is collateral damage.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:55:09 2023 No.15754229

>>15754211
i live on the west coast and all of the plastic junk at the rack on the beach has chink runes on it. theres a beach on the river 30 miles inland from the ocean and its pristine, there no garbage or plastic particles anywhere to be seen. ocean pollution is strictly a 3rd world problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:05:34 2023 No.15754239 >>15754229 >chink runes Who's buying it? Americans are. America is a dysfunctional union because it's too big to do anything useful for any real people.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:16:06 2023 No.15754255 [DELETED]

>>15753606
By the development of enzymes that can efficaciously break down ester bonds and very long-chain hydrocarbons at STP, or by incineration and subsequent carbon fixing, though we need to figure out a way to do it more efficiently than plants do (which is leaps ahead of where we're at but overall highly inefficient; RuBisCO is the slowest, most inefficient protein known to man)

>>	Cult of Passion Tue Sep 19 02:16:47 2023 No.15754258 >>15753606 Simple, kill 7.5 billion people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:32:39 2023 No.15754270 >>15754258 Get in the fucking kitchen.

>>	Cult of Passion Tue Sep 19 02:34:36 2023 No.15754275 >>15754270 We're not gunna be able to cook and eat 7.5 billion people, Anon, thats gross anyway....

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:36:02 2023 No.15754279 >>15754275 You'll cook whatever your husband brings back. Learn to fucking cook already.

Cult of Passion Tue Sep 19 02:40:22 2023 No.15754290
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>>15754279
You should stop pretending to know people you cant.

I, on the other hand, can easily perform cognitive tests over the internet because I actually know what the fuck Im doing in life...you know...the whole "doctor" thing, or whatev...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:47:17 2023 No.15754305 File: 515 KB, 987x729, 1693469004141646.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15754290 You're a girl and you should be performing cognitive tests in the kitchen.

>>	Cult of Passion Tue Sep 19 02:57:06 2023 No.15754320 File: 10 KB, 255x198, images - 2023-03-08T175312.188.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15754305 >That human has to live in the wild where there is no food, poop cleaning or toys...he is pitiful...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:01:57 2023 No.15754328 >>15754320 And still you're a girl. I don't get why it matters either way(?)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:02:19 2023 No.15754330 File: 16 KB, 334x250, oil_swag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15754128 incineration of garbage is the coolest power source right after petroleum fired thermal electric power plants. Anybody who disagrees is a faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:42:57 2023 No.15754389 >>15753613 Based

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:01:03 2023 No.15754425 >>15753623 possibly the most petulant post I've seen on this board

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:14:45 2023 No.15754570

>>15754425
narcissists with savior complexes are nasty people, thats why they develop the outward facing savior complex aspect of their personalities to begin with, they do that as means of disguising what they're really like. virtue signally is always a tipoff of hidden personality problems like that. decent people are not driven to cover up a hidden nasty side because they don't have anything to cover up

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:42:30 2023 No.15754603 >>15753606 Just keep blaming white men. I'm sure it'll all sort itself out once those great satans are gone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:29:17 2023 No.15754754 >>15754570 ok, jorden peterson. pop another pill and feel better

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:35:11 2023 No.15754764
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>>15754425
I mean.. the feeling is probably correct.
pretty much only the most bloated CONSUUUUUUUMERS say tell environmentalists to kill themselves, as if no one knows who exactly it is that has the outsized environmental footprint

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:37:47 2023 No.15754768 >>15753865 lol you're fucking clueless. non-renewable resources are non-renewable. civilization will not be "cycling back" this time around

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:47:53 2023 No.15754777
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>>15754764
>how dare you own more things than me!!
>this is my planet, your environmental footprint is harming my planet
you're just too lazy to get a job and buy your own car, thats why you're so jealous of everyone who has more than you do. meanwhile you worship al gore, who owns six private planes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:11:14 2023 No.15754801 File: 125 KB, 1080x1522, 7IyJi7J1MKzA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:42:14 2023 No.15754837 >>15753883 I agree nuke Usa

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:20:46 2023 No.15755503 Never forget plastic (and every other toxin killing the planet) was created by Science. Science is evil personified based on the amount of death and suffering it has caused.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:36:17 2023 No.15755563 >>15753643 Ironically you only need to remove the 2% that's been holding mankind from advancing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:37:33 2023 No.15755570 >>15753606 What's the most navigated ocean and you will find who dumps all that trash there

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:33:26 2023 No.15757516 >>15753613 Came here to post this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:32:31 2023 No.15757720 >>15755563 Christians are more than 2% of the population.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:43:35 2023 No.15757750 >>15757720 Don't you mean Judeo Christians?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:03:19 2023 No.15757791

>>15754128
Doesn't work for stuff like teflon but if you can burn up/filter out everything except CO2 and water then sure why not? Realistically the energy would displace existing fossil fuel energy. So same amount of CO2 but not quite as much garbage in the Oceans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:35:32 2023 No.15757867 >>15757750 Sure, make it all the Abrahamic religions. All of them are a problem and humanity would be better off without a bunch of superstitious freight.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:38:46 2023 No.15757875 >>15757867 All religions or all abrahamic religions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:59:35 2023 No.15757916 >>15757875 The Abrahamic religions are certainly the worst and cause the most damage so they're probably what we should be focusing on, but no religion is useful. All of them can be abandoned to the net gain of everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:00:58 2023 No.15757922 >>15757916 Toss in the satanists and you got a deal

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:03:43 2023 No.15757927 >>15753838 No, rome was destroyed by a natural cataclysm of mud

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:04:44 2023 No.15757930 >>15757927 *that destroyed 95% of the city's population

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:23:42 2023 No.15758124 >>15754128 >Source Are you fucking serious? Back to nigdit you fucking fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:34:53 2023 No.15758269 >>15757927 >natural cataclysm of mud Mud floods are the most lame schizo theory

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:37:51 2023 No.15758613 >>15757922 Satanism is a religion too and can loosely be considered Abrahamic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 02:22:21 2023 No.15759272 >>15753623 then why havent you killed anyone yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 16:34:28 2023 No.15760533 >>15753606 Tax/ income incentives for the mega rich.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 16:47:22 2023 No.15760556

>>15757927
Had it been a population from an earlier time not as long eposed to the dysgenic selection pressures of complex civilization, the impacts of those natural events would not have been as great.

Our civilization will go out a similar way, either a natural disaster or an outside population will put just enough pressure on us to finally kill us.
Akin to smothering an old person with a pillow. It is not a display of the strength of the person wielding the pillow or it's lethality, it's just the straw that broke their back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 18:27:18 2023 No.15760804 >>15753883 wypipo don't season they rivers

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:16:14 2023 No.15761235 >>15753615 >cancer kills itself

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:25:54 2023 No.15761254 File: 252 KB, 2338x1436, 352342.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753612 Shouldn't we at least try to get rid of civilization and see if it solves the problem before we cancel humanity? :^(

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:28:50 2023 No.15761260 >>15753606 plastic burns good...just set it on fire?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:30:41 2023 No.15761262 >>15753606 throw it into a black hole

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:40:35 2023 No.15761284 >>15753606 we will not and cannot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:45:54 2023 No.15761297 >>15761254 but africa, india and chian are hell-tier...

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 21:48:29 2023 No.15761306 >>15761297 Then maybe they should get rid of civilization as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 22:00:39 2023 No.15761342 >>15761306 africa never had it and the other 2 got rid of it 2k years ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 22:03:53 2023 No.15761350 >>15761342 >africa never had it True hell lies in twilight zone between civilization and the lack of it. That's where Africa lies. It was a lot better before Europeans came to "help".

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 07:42:10 2023 No.15762196 >>15753629 you can't recycle all plastic types, roughly 7 out of 50 can be recycled and a maximum of 2-3 times

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 07:50:04 2023 No.15762204

>>15762196
We can't recycle the majority of plastic. In fact virtually all the plastic in the ocean can't be recycled, since it's damaged by UV and salt, even if it is in the 7 out of 50. The only way to make it useful is if we break it down by pyrolysis into chemicals which can then be remade into plastic, much like how we use oil to make plastic. Even then the plastic you make from it isn't great, it's still inferior to just making it from oil.

HOWEVER, you can use pyrolysis on the remaining 43 plastic types.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 07:54:10 2023 No.15762210 >>15753606 Just stop making plastic shit. Bomb every petroleum plant on the planet. Literally all you have to do is not extract oil, not for gasoline, not for plastic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 07:55:11 2023 No.15762212 >>15759272 Just waiting until it's socially acceptable to maximize death.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 08:47:32 2023 No.15762242 Is this even an issue?

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 09:10:04 2023 No.15762265

>>15757916
>no religion is useful
it is necessary to have a shared moral code so you can trust your neighbors not to murder you in your sleep. Before religion was a thing civilization wasn't possible. Right now, the government is what keeps your neighbors from murdering you, but if that went away for some reason, like say if the power goes out and stays out, then religion would be the only thing keeping you alive. You'd wish to hell everyone around you was religious. You're very murderable, you wouldn't last very long otherwise, unless you're very well armed I guess.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 13:28:45 2023 No.15762779

>>15762265
Religion is not a moral code. If it were then religions wouldn't regularly ignore their purported morals for pogroms, rape, murder, child molestation, indoctrination camps, ect. Religion is just a tool made for control.

>You're very murderable
Case in point. This is the "Christian love" your religion actually spreads.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 13:31:12 2023 No.15762784 [DELETED]

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>>15762779
> If it were then religions wouldn't regularly ignore their purported morals for pogroms, rape, murder, child molestation, indoctrination camps, ect.
How does that refute the fact that establishing a moral code is a major big part of any religion?

> Religion is just a tool made for control.
And what do you think a moral code is?

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:01:28 2023 No.15762830

>>15762784
A religion is not a moral code and a moral code is not a tool of control. You're happy to ignore the evils of your religion and pretend it's based on a moral code because religion has worked on you. You are an ignorant, blind slave who wants to show everyone how shiny your shackles are.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:05:05 2023 No.15762836 [DELETED]

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>>15762830
>A religion is not a moral code
No, but establishing a moral code is one of its main functions.

>a moral code is not a tool of control
It is absolutely a tool of control. What else would you call a social system that regulates the behavior (and even the thoughts and perceptions) of individuals?

>You're happy to ignore the evils of your religion
What's my religion? Also, none of this is an argument.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:12:23 2023 No.15762854

>>15762836
>establishing a moral code is one of its main functions.
It's not.

>What else would you call a social system that regulates the behavior (and even the thoughts and perceptions) of individuals?
A moral code is personal and does not regulate anything. You are conflating morals with laws and prohibitions, which is symptomatic of someone who's mind has been twisted by a system of control like religions.

>What's my religion?
It doesn't matter what your religion is, they're functionally all the same. Even Buddhists have active pogroms in the world today. No religion is clean.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:13:15 2023 No.15762856 >>15762854 Your denialism has no substance and is not an argument. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:15:53 2023 No.15762861 >>15762856 You have been blinded by a tool of control. The anger you're feeling is a result of the cognitive dissonance you experience from me pointing this out to you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:16:39 2023 No.15762864 >>15762861 I don't know what your mentally ill rambling is about. I'm not religious. Either way, your denialism is not a refutation of anything I've pointed out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:20:26 2023 No.15762871 >>15762864 Sure, kid.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:22:22 2023 No.15762878 [DELETED]

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>>15762871
Please familiatize yourself with this meme pyramid. All of your posts are on the bottom 4 levels. On average, they land on the second lowest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:23:07 2023 No.15762880 >>15754239 >Who's buying it? Americans are Chinks are anon Goods for American market don't have chink runes on them. It's literally waste from China spreading across entie Pacific.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:26:00 2023 No.15762885 File: 47 KB, 650x425, brides.650.3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15762265 >it is necessary to have a shared moral code so you can trust your neighbors not to murder you in your sleep. >t. Ahmed

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:43:39 2023 No.15762938

>>15762878
>"This paint is red!"
>No it's no, it's blue
>"That's just a simple refutation, not a complex argument made to convince me that the paint isn't red."
>That's because it's self-evidently blue
>"NOOO! YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH ALL MY HOOPS BECAUSE I SAID IT WAS RED!!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 14:55:19 2023 No.15762962 >>15762938 Didn't read. Come back when you can refute any of this: >>15762836

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 15:04:30 2023 No.15762983

>>15753612
This 100% and anyone who disagrees is a soulless drone. Plastics are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the damage humans have caused to the world. Humans living naturally are (relatively) fine but civilization is indeed cancer and a global human population larger than a few million is a recipe for disaster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 15:08:06 2023 No.15762990 >>15753606 We need to bioengineer bacteria or even better fungi that can eat plastic. I don't think we have time to wait for nature to evolve these organisms.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 19:37:32 2023 No.15763782 >>15762962 See >>15762854 The reason you're feeling so upset is because of the cognitive dissonance you're experiencing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 19:44:38 2023 No.15763805 >>15763782 >It's not >A moral code is personal and does not regulate anything Those are mere contradictions. Please familirize yourself further with the meme pyramid here: >>15762878

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 19:53:43 2023 No.15763825

>>15753606
If you care and want want to just solve it with money, just dredge it.

If you want a persistent technological solution, there are many in development from bacterial enzymes to alternative polymer chemistries and everything inbetween.

If you want some social "solution" to stop it from happening in the first place, you're a racist. Also this has been ineffective over the past decades.

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:00:15 2023 No.15763847

Trash economy. The abundance of trash. What are we gonna do with it? Are we gonna put it on an island? Are we gonna make it somebody else’s problem? Or are we going to take the initiative and take this problem by the horns? Trash economy. You use cubes of trash as money. Everybody becomes rich, it’s a gold rush.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:03:50 2023 No.15763864 >>15762885 >doesn't realise our deterministic brain sees killing someone in his sleep as an option, always Yeah sure humans can just choose to do the right thing lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:06:01 2023 No.15763876 >>15763864 It's just you anon, you're the only one predetermined to shitpost things he's predetermined to pretend to believe

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:14:11 2023 No.15763902 >>15763876 >predetermined cope if only you had free will mang it's alright little automaton you can go to reddit instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:15:06 2023 No.15763906 File: 271 KB, 1110x511, IMG_5132.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753606

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:23:09 2023 No.15763936 >>15753606 It mostly comes from China. Solve China and you solve air pollution, water pollution, overfishing and a dozen other global problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:37:19 2023 No.15763982 >>15753606 take away all gubberment gibs from orcs. force them to clean it up with the promise you will give the gibs back. then eliminate the subhuman orcs

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:39:24 2023 No.15763984 >>15753613 basee. fuck all hook noses. plastic is cheap because it is a by product of the oil industry. same thing with food coloring. changing the oil industry would eliminate these problems

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:43:01 2023 No.15763989

>>15753616
>reuse
i reuse plastic grocery bags as garbage bags.
so why do jew laws tax these bags when the cost was already included in the overhead costs/item price. who gets that surcharge too?
environmentalism and gaia worship is a scam at this point.
the best thing for the environment would be to deport all orcs, but they will never do it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:45:05 2023 No.15763993 >>15753623 try it then tough guy. but we still won't listen to your retarded void worshipping shit since you just admitted to being evil and a coward

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:46:06 2023 No.15763994 >>15753643 you mean orcs and hook noses, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:47:25 2023 No.15763996 >>15753687 yeah if recycling plants just burn it anyway; we should all be able to burn it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 20:56:29 2023 No.15764018 >>15754290 post your hook nose

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 21:01:49 2023 No.15764028 >>15753687 Perfect pyro uses too much energy...americans could but they enjoy wasting it

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 23:10:54 2023 No.15764252

>>15753606
1. chinese fishing fleet sunk, fishing tackle makes up most of the non-micro plastic waste in oceans, and chinese fleet violates all other nations waters with factory trawlers
2. dam asian rivers to scoop all the trash they throw in
>>15754330
landfill is better, you still capture the methane off it which produce less further waste to manage

landfill is perfect, its compositing, eco people really should be all for it if they hadd a clue what they going on about

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 00:17:32 2023 No.15764368 >>15763805 See >>15762938

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 04:39:25 2023 No.15764601 >>15753879 While that makes sense, what if they don't value your interaction at all and couldn't give a shit about what you have to offer or say?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 05:37:03 2023 No.15764684 >>15753606 Don't care. I'll be long gone before it's a real problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:22:20 2023 No.15765544 >>15762983 Start with yourself. Do a public jump to spread your message :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:19:24 2023 No.15768200 >>15753606 sea people melting plastic cans into rafts and destroy civilization.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:40:59 2023 No.15768275 >>15753606 Melt them locally. Recycling = shipping to another part of the country or another part of the world where these are dumped.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:31:28 2023 No.15768362 >>15753606 Either accept it and don't worry about it, burn it, or dump it in a hole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:23:42 2023 No.15768635 >>15753612 Says the scrawny urban dwelling vegan manlet

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:52:28 2023 No.15768701 >>15754239 >>15754211 facts made up by a silly goober

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:57:41 2023 No.15768709 File: 211 KB, 960x684, chartoftheday_12211_the_countries_polluting_the_oceans_the_most_n (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15753613 It's not the fault of Jews for once.

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