/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15740656]

So, let me get this straight. We don't know how life was created?

[Anonymous No.15740672]

>>15740656
No one was there. There's speculation. Some people take whichever speculation as word of god, other people try to find actual word of god. Regardless of anything, it's speculative and zero people know for certain. That's why there's science, to pretend to understand answers to unknowable truths.

[Anonymous No.15740679]

>>15740656
I went back in time and sneezed into the ocean. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.15740681]

>>15740672
>No one was there
Speak for yourself. I just wasn't looking.

[Anonymous No.15740708]

>>15740656
lightening striking a pool of pond scum near a volcano created the building blocks. assembling amino acids and RNA was evitable after that.

[Anonymous No.15740724]

>>15740672
>Nooo!!!! you can't just infer the past from the present!!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LW06dav7KA

[Anonymous No.15740725]

>>15740656
We won't know for sure until we create some artificial life of our own, but we've gotten close enough that we have a pretty good idea and have for decades. This isn't a big issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
"Life" is just a bunch of chemical processes. It's not particularly special, it's just really cool to us because that's what we are.

[Anonymous No.15740729]

>>15740708
>pond scum
how did the pond scum get there to begin with? pond scum is mostly wild yeast feeding on decaying organic matter.
darwinism relies on circular logic to justify itself, just like the big bang theory does

[Anonymous No.15740734]

>>15740729
I think it’s like lightning assembled proteins into something that would build itself again, in short. Not: pond scum was alive and then evolved w lightning.
Not saying that’s what happened but that’s what he meant I think.

[Anonymous No.15740746]

>>15740708
has this process been replicated?

[Anonymous No.15740765]

>>15740746
all over the universe numerous times

[Anonymous No.15740766]

>>15740656
Nigger, we don't even know what gravity actually is. We're kinda retarded.

[Anonymous No.15740767]

This website sucks

[Anonymous No.15740769]

>>15740729
>darwinism relies on circular logic to justify itself
No it doesn't.
Here is the time table:
>early Earth is a stormy volcanic waterworld
>volcanic vents spilling out organic molecules
>literal lightning strike causes these molecules to begin to organize (see Miller-Urey Experiment, which is easily repeatable) and form proto-cell like structures
>non-alive self replicating organic molecules (something that isn't exactly difficult to find or create, see prions) that are precursors of RNA and DNA find refuge in these proto-cells
>through evolutionary processes (which is to say "things that do better continue to do better, things that do worse are out competed or die off"), the DNA which can create more protective cell membranes are selected for
>at this point, evolution proceeds from there
God isn't stupid and He's not a magician either. All of this is not trivial, and just works(TM).

[Anonymous No.15740812]

>>15740769
/thread

[Anonymous No.15740815]

>>15740769
Bro there is absolutely no proof or evidence to back this up. Your just trolling

[Anonymous No.15740820]

>>15740734
so where did the initial pond scum come from?

[Anonymous No.15740898]

>>15740656
go back in time and tell us OP.

[Anonymous No.15740912]

>>15740769
abiogenesis as a conjecture is more convincing the more familiar a person is with chemistry, biology, geology, planetary formation, etc. which means the average person that posts here will instead try to argue that creationist apologetics is more convincing

[Anonymous No.15741522]

>>15740769
>just works(TM)
The thing is, it doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.15741582]

>>15740656
We have plenty of hypothesis about how life emerged but finding microscopic evidence from 3,8 billion years ago is rather hard even for modern science.

[Anonymous No.15741650]

If you look at the actual work on origin of life studies it's laughable. They can't even build RNA without resorting to laboratory chemistry using modern day compounds that never existed on early earth, and using techniques that could never have applied like using wildly different temperatures, pH levels, pressure levels etc, at each step.

[Anonymous No.15741679]

>>15740769
One must conclude God is evil.

[Anonymous No.15741727]

Science isn't just about dismissing existing models. It's about presenting something better as well. The generally accepted methods for abiogenesis are accepted because people haven't yet come up with anything more palatable.

[Anonymous No.15741742]

>>15740769
Miller-Urey formed a bunch of racemic amino acids. Let's hope the next lighting strike puts them all together into a functional RNA strand. Then we just need a few more lighting strikes to create a few 1000mer polypeptides that can get the RNA to start copying itself using all the nucleobases that a couple lighting strikes should help produce. With a few extra strikes we might be able to get some transcription machinery to appear, and it can start reading the codons that probably signify nothing but oh well, we'll just cross our fingers for next time.

[Anonymous No.15741767]

>>15741742
Also it all has to happen within a few days because all of this stuff decomposes.

[Anonymous No.15741999]

>>15740820
it’s not literal pond scum. it was “primordial soup”, which is just organic molecules (carbon bonded with hydrogen, nitrogen, and/or oxygen) in water. these organic molecules were spewed out by volcanoes that had nothing better to do

[Anonymous No.15742065]

>>15740656
We don't even know what a life is, so probably not.

[Anonymous No.15742184]

>>15740672
>actual word of god
is imaginary

[Anonymous No.15742193]

>>15741767
All they did was make amino acids, ribose, and urea type stuff. These are small molecules and don't decompose so readily.

[Anonymous No.15742224]

>>15742184
Depends how you define God.

[Anonymous No.15742229]

Benis in Vagene

[Anonymous No.15742235]

>>15740769
>early Earth
where does Earth come from?

[Anonymous No.15742239]

>>15742224
Yes, I define god as imaginary.

[Anonymous No.15742244]

>>15742235
stuff + gravity

[Anonymous No.15742253]

>>15742244
Whre do stuff + gravity come from?

[Anonymous No.15742258]

>>15742253
Stuff came from stars (which came from hydrogen + gravity) and gravity comes from stuff interacting with spacetime. Where spacetime came from, no one knows, not even those who claim to know, not even you.

[Anonymous No.15742364]

>>15740656
We will never know
We will get a lot of theories and proved lab experiments but we will never know

[Anonymous No.15742370]

>>15742239
you do that because you're too weak willed to give up on your sinful lifestyle of masturbation and dishonesty

[Anonymous No.15742458]

>>15742370
Go to /his/ or /x/ or whatever. You'll be in a more accommodating echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.15742473]

>>15742184
>is imaginary
>is
>implies existence
>implies that the concept of existence exists
You literally prove God exists through your denials

[Anonymous No.15742495]

>>15740746
Is this a serious question, amateur? Yes it has been. Do the research, please.

>>15740672
He asked a legit question and you took it as an opportunity to instead express your sentiments about human nature.

[Anonymous No.15743555]

>>15742473
>implies existence
Which is immediately negated by the fact that is couples with imaginary rather than really existing as it only defines it as existing in one's imagination.