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/sfg/ - Spaceflight General Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:21:38 2023 No.15736295 [Reply] [Original]

Cold cloud - edition

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:23:00 2023 No.15736300 >>15736295 Thoughts on sabre?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:23:40 2023 No.15736302 >>15736300 it never began

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:24:59 2023 No.15736305 File: 538 KB, 1080x1713, ElonMakkesScandalousMistake1694104128640157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Blunder edition

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:25:34 2023 No.15736306
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https://spacenews.com/open-cosmos-raises-50-million-to-expand-earth-observation-satellite-business/

> Open Cosmos raises $50 million to expand Earth observation satellite business
>Open Cosmos says its $50 million Series B would will help it develop OpenConstellation, a virtual constellation where satellite operators share capacity on their Earth observation satellites.
> The funding, he said, will go help the company move into microsatellites. It will also support development of OpenConstellation, what the company calls a “mutualized satellite infrastructure” where companies share capacity on their satellites with others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:29:48 2023 No.15736315 File: 291 KB, 1283x633, 23.47.04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just a few more days till we get a launch license

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:31:35 2023 No.15736318 File: 784 KB, 1920x1267, DingoGap_WhiteBalanced.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736295 mediocre cgi OP

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:33:44 2023 No.15736322
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>>15736306
https://www.open-cosmos.com/open-constellation

sounds like some kind of "internet of earth observation satellites"
I just don't see the immediate business case for a satellite operator, how are they going to get more revenue from adding their satellite to this network
charge by use I guess? So if some assets are used for a specific scan of some region, the owners of those specific satellites get part of the revenue
should also incentivize better quality sensing (more likely to be used) and different types

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:35:13 2023 No.15736324 File: 79 KB, 582x475, JacobMcKenzie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This guy is the VP of Raptor engines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:35:47 2023 No.15736326 >>15736324 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:36:03 2023 No.15736327 File: 96 KB, 780x1173, FGV0mcgXIAIBY7u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] with all these neutron changes i wonder is RL is still doing the weird 2.5 stage thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:48:00 2023 No.15736344 >>15736324 how old is he?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:50:08 2023 No.15736346

>>15736300
The precooling tech is interesting if you want to make a very high speed turbojet.

Turbojets are speed limited by the temperature of the air at the compressor face.

May allow you to produce a Hypersonic vehicle with better range than say a ramjet/scramjet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:52:00 2023 No.15736349 >>15736344 ~35 probably. That is not recent picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:53:37 2023 No.15736351 >>15736324 so this is why Raptors fail so frequently, do you know which degree he has?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:55:07 2023 No.15736353 >>15736351 PhD in smoking WEEEEED

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 10:58:06 2023 No.15736356 File: 1.82 MB, 1920x1920, october14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736295 Holy kino imagine going up on New Shepherd or Spaceshiptwo and shooting this. It's actually feasible. >Meanwhile IFT-2 at the same time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:00:13 2023 No.15736360 >>15736356 any fellow balloon fest bros in the thread?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:03:59 2023 No.15736366

>>15736351
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakemkz
>University of California, Berkeley Bachelor of Science (B.S.)Mechanical Engineering
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology Master of Science (M.S.)Mechanical Engineering 2009 - 2012
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology Doctor of Philosophy (PhD)Mechanical Engineering 2012 - 2015

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:08:46 2023 No.15736373 https://heathus.com/products/remote-methane-leak-detector/ It's not new technology

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:15:25 2023 No.15736380

>>15736373
>When the infrared laser beam is transmitted from the launch port, some of the laser light is reflected back and converted to an electrical signal that carries the information needed to deduce the methane concentration. The RMLD-IS has proven to be a highly effective leak survey instrument, compared to flame ionization and similar equipment, but with the added advantage of remote detection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:20:18 2023 No.15736385 >>15736380 so basically emission spectroscopy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:37:50 2023 No.15736405 >>15736385 raptor colonoscopy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 11:48:55 2023 No.15736418 which starship is launching after this one? is it one of the tanker variants?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:08:49 2023 No.15736443 >>15736380 the current bleeding edge tech is remote passive spectroscopy instead of active lazing, and miniaturizing that technology to fit it onto a quadcopter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:14:55 2023 No.15736460 File: 1.67 MB, 4096x2732, 1688459224853016.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >spinlaunch actually exists wtf i thought it was just a concept

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:18:47 2023 No.15736470 >>15736460 there is something so american about this image

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:19:12 2023 No.15736471 >>15736324 He looks like one of those “this is what humans will look like in 10,000 years” mockups lmfao. I don’t doubt he’s smart as shit though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:19:25 2023 No.15736472 File: 704 KB, 2048x1366, roentgen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736405 It's more equivalent to a chest x-ray

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:22:26 2023 No.15736479 >>15736460 Have they actually launched anything yet though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:32:31 2023 No.15736494 >>15736443 what is active lazing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:45:21 2023 No.15736509 >>15736460 That's just a render

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:53:50 2023 No.15736522
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>>15736479
yes

>At Spaceport America in New Mexico on 22 October 2021, SpinLaunch conducted the first vertical test of their accelerator at 20% of its full power capacity, hurling a 10-foot-long (3.0 m) passive projectile to an altitude of "tens of thousands of feet." This test accelerator is 108 ft (33 m) in diameter, which makes it a one-third scale of the operational system that is being designed.[14][15][16] The company's first 10 test flights reached as much as 30,000 feet (9,100 m) in altitude.
>A September 2022 test flight carried payloads for NASA, Airbus US, Cornell Engineering’s Space Systems Design Studio (SSDS) and Outpost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpinLaunch#Flight_testing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 12:57:48 2023 No.15736530 >>15736479 They take potshots into the Mojave desert now and again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:00:56 2023 No.15736533 File: 219 KB, 584x444, 15.00.34.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did Romans mean by this? https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1701184763824910734?s=20

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:09:11 2023 No.15736545 >>15736305 Is this not right? Notice him saying at higher altitude. The graph doesn't talk about that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:09:30 2023 No.15736546 >>15736533 >hot staging

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:11:38 2023 No.15736548 Avio has also fired M10 engine recently. https://twitter.com/Avio_Group/status/1700086596836712587 >>15736546 It just works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:12:48 2023 No.15736553 >>15736548 Why'd they put boomer rock over it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:13:18 2023 No.15736554 >>15736494 Shining a laser at things

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:18:51 2023 No.15736563 File: 296 KB, 2327x2980, 5bc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] elon is my hero. we will make it to mars

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:21:43 2023 No.15736569 File: 173 KB, 1291x769, 006386.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHX-AOXMTYc

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:22:26 2023 No.15736572 >>15736569 Watching those videos feels pointless when everything is reported on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:42:16 2023 No.15736600 >>15736563 Stupid frogposter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:44:38 2023 No.15736605 File: 40 KB, 200x200, 1694439867474.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736600 how did you know it was me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:46:17 2023 No.15736607 File: 1.07 MB, 2048x1365, d12492.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736563 >we did it, reddit!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:47:44 2023 No.15736611 File: 201 KB, 800x670, 1429821474352.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736563

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 13:58:34 2023 No.15736622 >>15736572 haven't seen this one yet but they usually inform me of chinese launches that flew under /sfg/'s (and therefor my) radar

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:02:45 2023 No.15736627 >>15736545 >Notice him saying at higher altitude. it's a completely separate statement

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:04:14 2023 No.15736631 >>15736472 Not great not terrible

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:04:42 2023 No.15736635 >>15736563 I love that image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:04:42 2023 No.15736634 >>15736627 its one post, clearly linked

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:05:43 2023 No.15736637 File: 179 KB, 1292x762, 006387.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj-HWURw-_g homeless man shouting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:23:12 2023 No.15736662 >>15736545 It's the same thing with redditors shitting themselves over him saying that there are no pure electric engines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:29:51 2023 No.15736674 >>15736662 where does he say that

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:30:40 2023 No.15736676

>>15736627
You're retarded. He says total drag at higher altitude and mach 1.5 is less than at lower altitude at mach 0.9.
if you weren't a retard you would even correctly infer that he's talking about the altitudes where lift is equivalent between the two.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:31:13 2023 No.15736677 File: 108 KB, 1277x759, 006388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdi35hQaRU its long

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:34:57 2023 No.15736681 >>15736677 >doug dimmadome, the owner of the dimmsdale dimmadome

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:35:09 2023 No.15736682 >>15736295 space is fake and you will never be a woman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:35:48 2023 No.15736683 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj-HWURw-_g >jack beyer has his hobo beard how does he do it? he grows a massive beard in a few weeks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:36:27 2023 No.15736686 File: 467 KB, 1469x1058, 1678001303486547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Give me hop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:36:39 2023 No.15736687 >>15736674 Like a year back on twitter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:37:58 2023 No.15736690 >>15736686 Be patient

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:40:59 2023 No.15736695

>>15736676
that's not what he's saying. You're reading his tweets like Christian apologetics read the Bible. Here's again what Elon said so you can review it:
>Btw, what's holding you back from doing Mach ~1.5? Compressibility drag is lower there than at 0.95.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:41:26 2023 No.15736697 >>15736300 "I don't even think about you"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:42:01 2023 No.15736699 >>15736695 cope harder. >just get high basic reading comprehension fail. return to reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:43:28 2023 No.15736705 >>15736682 nooo it cant be

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:43:54 2023 No.15736706 >>15736699 comprehend this faggot >Btw, what's holding you back from doing Mach ~1.5? Compressibility drag is lower there than at 0.95.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:46:44 2023 No.15736710 >>15736706 yeah you're trolling. this is not even debatable if you read the tweet without selectively picking out a single sentence

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:47:34 2023 No.15736712 >>15736706 He's talking explicitly about altitude. You are a retarded faggot. Hang yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:49:29 2023 No.15736714 >>15736305 Planes are more efficient supersonic than transonic. Everybody knows this, what are you fags whining about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:51:00 2023 No.15736716 >>15736714 engines are not

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:51:18 2023 No.15736718 >>15736324 >looks like Blink-182's lead guitarist time traveled his past self into 2023 and did a double major in physics and aerospace engineering >aliens are real after all

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:51:31 2023 No.15736719 >>15736714 Missing the point of the tweet. Just not purposefully so like our resident EDS patient is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:52:25 2023 No.15736723 >>15736716 that depends entirely on the engine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:53:09 2023 No.15736724 >>15736324 I love bicycles too

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:53:36 2023 No.15736725 knower here faa will not be issuing a launch license for at least another month handlers are going to tell elon tomorrow, very high chance he spergs out

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:55:18 2023 No.15736728 File: 98 KB, 737x956, 006390.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736533 >>15736548 https://europeanspaceflight.com/has-avio-begun-developing-a-second-gen-space-rider-vehicle/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:57:23 2023 No.15736729 >>15736725 FAA license within a week, as stated

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:57:25 2023 No.15736730

>>15736725
He hasn’t spergged against the FAA yet, right? I remember him getting kind of testy one time but it still wasn’t anything too bad. He’s talked direct shit about the SEC, DoJ, etc. but I think the FAA is truly the only regulatory agency whose hornets nest he’s afraid to stir lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:57:50 2023 No.15736731 >>15736728 >"robotic laboratory" What are they actually going to use this thing for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 14:58:29 2023 No.15736733 >>15736728 >Second gen shitlifter Holy shit how will 1994 aerospace ever keep up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:01:25 2023 No.15736738 >>15736730 or he actually thinks they are somewhat competent, the SEC and DOD are actively malicious

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:04:43 2023 No.15736739 >>15736295 >3d model funny how thats always how it works with spacetards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:04:52 2023 No.15736740 >>15736728 >europe's rival to america's x-37b and china's spaceplane >can only stay in space for 2 months max lol wtf

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:05:54 2023 No.15736742 >>15736731 return with experiments like Varda and do whatever X-37 was used for I suppose

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:07:02 2023 No.15736743

>>15736730
FAA has been exceptionally cooperative.
Nobody expected them to turn around in 4 months approving the investigation of a failed FTS of the biggest rocket in history with the smallest exclusion zone.
Also finding no significant impact in PEA also going final PEA to license in like two months or something.
They are doing really well with Starship

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:15:49 2023 No.15736749 >>15736714 Yeah but the drag at supersonic speeds is also higher, contrary to what Musk is saying there

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:16:31 2023 No.15736751 >>15736749 Compressive drag coefficient is lower, which is exactly what he showed.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:16:45 2023 No.15736752

>>15736738
>>15736743
Oh yeah good point. Shit, SN8 (11?) was launched without clearance and the FAA pretty much closed the mishap investigation right away and allowed them to keep hopping hahahah. That could have easily been a year long+ grounding for an “internal communication audit” or some other bullshut

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:18:07 2023 No.15736756 >>15736742 >pharma experiments makes no sense, nobody is building a pharma factory in space. if a drug can't be made in the gravity well, then it isn't commercially viable. >and do whatever X-37 was used for Indeed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:19:27 2023 No.15736760 >>15736749 >contrary to what Musk is saying there at higher altitude it isn't. imagine pretending you do not understand language such that elon bad. it really is a disease

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:22:54 2023 No.15736773 >>15736756 >nobody is building a pharma factory in space why would you say things that are empirically wrong?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:23:36 2023 No.15736775
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https://twitter.com/Telesat/status/1701198286147764565

https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/telesat-and-spacex-announce-14-launch-agreement-for-advanced-telesat-lightspeed-leo-satellites/

> Designed from inception to serve the demanding, mission-critical connectivity requirements of enterprise and government users, the optically-linked Telesat Lightspeed network will provide multi-Gbps data links and highly secure, resilient, low-latency broadband connectivity anywhere in the world. With the August signing of MDA as the prime satellite manufacturer and all necessary launch contracts in place for global constellation deployment, Telesat is well-positioned to begin delivering unmatched, enterprise-class connectivity in late 2027.

> “With growing demand for high-speed internet around the world, SpaceX is proud to launch and deploy Telesat’s Lightspeed constellation” said SpaceX President and Chief Operating Officer Gwynne Shotwell. “Building upon our successful launch partnership to-date, we look forward to flying Telesat once again as they expand connectivity capabilities for their customers across the globe.”

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:26:18 2023 No.15736779 >>15736775 it's a race to the bottom

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:27:25 2023 No.15736781

>>15736751
his graph correctly showed that, but he wrote that the drag is lower at higher speed. It's a pretty common mistake, but it's only the drag coefficient that's higher.
>>15736760
Imagine going to these lengths to reinterpret and obvious mistake so it doesn't sound like one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:28:06 2023 No.15736782 >>15736775 I feel like spacex should stop launching other leo sats Starlink is a money printer and no one else has launch capacity

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:28:26 2023 No.15736784 >>15736781 >but it's only the drag coefficient that's higher. that's lower*

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:29:30 2023 No.15736787 >>15736782 SpaceX would 100% be sued and broken up for anti-competitive behavior

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:30:46 2023 No.15736790 >>15736787 How? They aren't required to help competitors

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:31:19 2023 No.15736791 >>15736782 doing that would be a very bad idea, antitrust laws could break used to break up SpaceX

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:32:16 2023 No.15736793 >>15736787 >>15736791 >antitrust They can launch on someone elses rocket

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:32:58 2023 No.15736795

>>15736790
laws that exist to combat anti-competitive monopolistic behaviour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
> In the United States, antitrust law is a collection of mostly federal laws that regulate the conduct and organization of businesses to promote competition and prevent unjustified monopolies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:33:15 2023 No.15736796 >>15736781 >going to these lengths to reinterpret What do you think he was referring to when writing the last two sentences of his tweet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:35:07 2023 No.15736799 >>15736795 Doesn't count You are not required to help competitors>>15736796

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:36:14 2023 No.15736801 >>15736795 >Competition keeps shooting themselves in the foot >SpaceX is somehow obligated to carry them forward That's more about harm to consumers. They don't have an obligation to take any and all customers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:36:18 2023 No.15736802 https://reddit.com/r/tech/s/TzwsIRqNRS It wasnt known if you could even acheive this before NASA engineers figured it out. And it's amazing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:37:28 2023 No.15736803 >>15736799 is it worth risking that? getting broken up would fuck up Mars plans

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:37:55 2023 No.15736805 >>15736799 Being the only business on earth that is actually capable of deploying a large LEO constellation is very similar to having a rail monopoly. SpaceX is also capable of being an ISP for... the entire world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:38:11 2023 No.15736807 >extremely low quality bait it's cringe how there's obviously an agenda to drag real discussion down in this thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:38:11 2023 No.15736806 >>15736801 yes they do if it came out that SpaceX denied launch services to a satellite internet company because they're a competitor to Starlink, it's literally a felony and they could go to jail

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:38:25 2023 No.15736808 >Elon's algorithym for running his companies as Isaacson explains elsewhere is "to delete, delete, delete" - but his view if you don't end up having to put back in 20% of what you deleted, you didn't delete enough. 20% is the flame deflector lmfao

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:39:36 2023 No.15736810 >>15736806 Proof?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:39:40 2023 No.15736811

>>15736418
Why in gods name would they ever launch a tanker variant without a depot up, especially with S26 being the next one. Tankers ESPECIALLY need tiling because theyre going to need to be reused so often to refuel depots. Actually maybe S26 is a practice depot variant since it has no tiles, those arent supposed to reenter Earth's atmosphere so maybe youre right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:39:59 2023 No.15736812 >>15736808 yes lmao

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:40:14 2023 No.15736815
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>>15736802
>What just happened? A milestone in the long-term plan for bases on Mars was passed recently when NASA announced it had generated breathable oxygen from the planet's thin atmosphere. It's not a lot - enough to keep a small dog alive for over ten hours - but the hope is that similar technology could eventually allow astronauts to breathe and provide rocket propellant to get them home.
Zubrin vindicated

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:40:37 2023 No.15736816 >>15736805 >Being the only business on earth that is actually capable of deploying a large LEO constellation No Other companies can also launch them

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:40:52 2023 No.15736817

>>15736796
It's pretty self explanatory, to reduce drag go high. His second sentence is unfortunately pretty self explanatory as well, he thinks that since the drag at mach 1.5 is lower than at mach 0.95, there should be no reason they couldn't go mach 1.5.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:40:59 2023 No.15736818 >Blue Origin currently has 4 boosters "well in production."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:41:44 2023 No.15736820 >>15736816 At the scale of Starlink? No.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:42:37 2023 No.15736822
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https://spacenews.com/itu-emphasizes-importance-of-space-sustainability/

> PARIS — The head of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) says the agency will emphasize space sustainability as the number of satellites grows.

> Ruy Pinto, chief executive of SES, said he was concerned about some orbits becoming “unusable” because they are effectively monopolized by a single company, citing as an example SpaceX’s Starlink constellation.

concerns about a SpaceX monopoly in one area or another are already a concern for some parties, refusing to launch competitors would make the case very easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:43:56 2023 No.15736823 >>15736820 Yes Doesn't matter about scale. Other options exist Spacex is not required to help or do business with anyone

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:43:59 2023 No.15736824 >>15736781 >b-but he wrote drag not drag coefficient even though he posted the right graph which made clear what he was actually talking about

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:44:17 2023 No.15736825 >>15736817 kek >>15736781

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:44:30 2023 No.15736828 >>15736781 >>15736784 BLUNDER

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:45:34 2023 No.15736829
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>>15736714
No they aren't.

Drag increases with the square of velocity, that the Cd *might* come down beyond transonic speeds (on aircraft designed for supersonic speeds the Cd increase over transonic speeds is much lower and the Cd above M 1.0 is usually more or less constant) doesn't overcome this.

This is something that is extremely obvious if you are familiar with aircraft, like if what musk implied was true supercruise would be trivial and we would have supersonic airliners everywhere, obviously not the case.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:46:05 2023 No.15736830

>>15736801
>That's more about harm to consumers.
Which in the case of SpaceX is impossible to demonstrate because SpaceX is cheap as dirt. If a company becomes dominate in the market by offering their services cheaper than anybody else, you cannot demonstrate harm to consumers and any antitrust action against them is DOA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:46:07 2023 No.15736831 >>15736805 amazon is in a position to build a direct starlink competitor >>15736807 at least it's spaceflight bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:46:11 2023 No.15736833 must be pretty stressful for you to depend that tweet of his?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:46:53 2023 No.15736835 >>15736829 rho decreases exponentially as a function of altitude

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:47:08 2023 No.15736836 >>15736823 Let me rephrase the argument. Why, bar anti-trust concerns, would SpaceX business leaders decide that launching competitors to Starlink is a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:47:21 2023 No.15736838 >>15736829 That equation is a gross simplification that only works in the subsonic regime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:48:12 2023 No.15736840 Reminder that we still don't know why airplane wings work Drag is still unsolved

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:48:37 2023 No.15736841

>>15736810
SpaceX is allowed to have a monopoly on launch capacity because it was achieved through excellence in business and engineering, but the moment they wield that monopoly to exclude competitors, it's a textbook antitrust case. Google Microsoft vs. United States. Microsoft had a monopoly on operating systems and was using it to force users to use its own shitty software. This was illegal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:49:08 2023 No.15736842 So is it true, then, that Raptor reliability wasn’t what killed IFT-1?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:49:28 2023 No.15736843
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A Near Term Interstellar Mission Enabled by the Space Launch System
> 2022 saw the first launch of NASA’s new deep space rocket on the Artemis I mission. The flight performed a flawless demonstration of the Orion crew vehicle, including insertion into a distant retrograde lunar orbit and return to Earth. Now that the SLS is flying, planners are beginning to look at other missions enabled by the capabilities – combined high payload mass and high C3 – that SLS provides. One such mission of interest is the Interstellar Probe. The Interstellar Probe mission has been described previously in several papers and a recent report of the informal working group.
Conclusion: Missions to reach out of the solar system are achievable now, using proven rocket and upper stage technology. A launch date in the mid 2030s would return science data from 350 au in the 2080s and would have the potential to continue to operate out as far as 1000 au.
>A launch date in the mid 2030s would return science data from 350 au in the 2080s
>A launch date in the mid 2030s would return science data from 350 au in the 2080s
>A launch date in the mid 2030s would return science data from 350 au in the 2080s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVwuAIchcsw

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:49:34 2023 No.15736846 >>15736831 They'll be in a position to do so once blue origin actually puts anything in orbit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:50:01 2023 No.15736847

>>15736836
Because they would get paid for it.

And because getting that contract means another company won't (ironically, stymieing their competitors (legally) by depriving them of such a lucrative contract, which could otherwise get one of their would-be launch competitors up and running with a real F9 equivalent.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:50:27 2023 No.15736850 >>15736841 >you are forced to use windows (software) >but having other microsoft software is illegallll Bullshit case from a gov stuck 100 years in the past

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:50:27 2023 No.15736849 >>15736829 >like if what musk implied was true supercruise would be trivial and we would have supersonic airliners everywhere, obviously not the case >still not reading the rest of the tweet he's saying at higher altitude. get yourself checked out

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:50:46 2023 No.15736851

WHEN are we gonna see the main receiver-broadcasting array of the deep space communication network moved into space? We already know how to build big fuck off radar dishes that unfurl in orbit, why aren't we launching 6 satellites that do the work of dozens of ground stations? Why don't we have similar big ass antenna satellites orbiting main targets of interest (ie Mars, Jupiter)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:51:18 2023 No.15736852 File: 31 KB, 884x260, kill_yourself.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wen hop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:51:23 2023 No.15736853 >>15736841 >Microsoft vs United States You mean United States v. Microsoft Corporation

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:51:46 2023 No.15736854 >>15736830 >If a company becomes dominate in the market by offering their services cheaper than anybody else, you cannot demonstrate harm to consumers and any antitrust action against them is DOA. no lmao, this is still very much illegal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:51:50 2023 No.15736855 >>15736842 Raptor reliability has been high all along

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:52:06 2023 No.15736856 File: 1.94 MB, 337x350, 1670849021925628.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736852 Not soon enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:52:58 2023 No.15736858 >>15736854 >no lmao, this is still very much illegal Its legal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:53:17 2023 No.15736859 >>15736842 yeah, it was leaks which led to fires which fucked up the controls and hydraulics and probably cascading failures can't recall where I saw this though, maybe in the FAA release

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:53:21 2023 No.15736860 >>15736843 starship cant fly direct, it cant do interstellar mission unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:53:27 2023 No.15736861 >>15736849 Best thing is when you put the sentence in context is makes even more sense Elon made a mistake. Anyway have you finished high school?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:53:38 2023 No.15736862 >>15736843 Good time to invoke the wait equation. for example, before considering any new mission beyond Saturn at most, we should WAIT until we've flown a test bed of a plasma magnet sail or WAIT for Starship and a big methalox kick stage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:53:44 2023 No.15736863 >>15736854 Nope. If no harm to consumers can be demonstrated then antitrust cases in America are DOA. This is the way it has worked since the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_welfare_standard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:54:21 2023 No.15736864 Requires US congressional funding. Once Starship works it'll be significantly less expensive to achieve.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:54:45 2023 No.15736868 This is his argument. EDS sufferers pretending to not be able to read BTFO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ZK5E7UlbU&t=197

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:54:58 2023 No.15736869 >>15736843 >SLS >mid 2030s lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:55:25 2023 No.15736871 >>15736860 Starship can send a payload of equal mass faster than SLS in a single launch, because Starship has enough payload mass in total to pack a big enough kick stage to overshadow SLS' higher Isp.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:56:17 2023 No.15736872 >>15736868 You're seething and coping this is all he's saying >>15736868

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:56:26 2023 No.15736873 >>15736871 um watch the video. the man is very clear you have to wait for refueling sorry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:57:34 2023 No.15736875 >>15736868 You're completely schizo. How do those Elon testicles taste, schizo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:58:44 2023 No.15736878 >>15736875 YUP SEETHING COPING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:58:46 2023 No.15736879 >>15736863 it's called predatory pricing and it's simply illegal, anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:58:48 2023 No.15736880 >>15736868 fairly conclusive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:59:52 2023 No.15736883 >>15736873 I don't care what retards on youtube think :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 15:59:54 2023 No.15736884 >>15736878 Oof. Your composure lost again I see

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:00:36 2023 No.15736887 >>15736879 WRONG its not predatory because they are reusing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:00:53 2023 No.15736889 >>15736875 damn he really beat you that bad huh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:01:01 2023 No.15736890 >>15736868 so VTOLs perhaps when Tesla has got into every sector of the car industry

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:01:08 2023 No.15736891

>>15736879
Wrong. It's only "predatory pricing" if the company is selling the product or service at loss-making levels. SpaceX is profitable and sells their services at a profitable rate, therefore by definition it is not predatory pricing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:01:26 2023 No.15736892

>>15736868
look I like Elon too but you should really throw in the towel on this one. The point he makes in a video is a valid one. But when you read the tweet and see the graph he posted it is utterly obvious he didn't mean "drag at mach 0.95 at a lower altitude is lower than drag at mach 1.5 at some higher altitude"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:01:34 2023 No.15736893 >>15736889 The only thing he's beating is his dick to photographs of Elon Musk

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:02:02 2023 No.15736894 >>15736875 lmao why do you have such a big problem with Musk? the politics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:02:07 2023 No.15736895 >>15736879 If that was true then whenever company figured out a better method or new invention then they would get sued

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:03:24 2023 No.15736896 >>15736894 I have a bigger problem with sycophants

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:03:54 2023 No.15736897 >>15736896 Go troll someplace else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:04:16 2023 No.15736899 >>15736892 He did mean exactly that. >you should throw in the towel on basic bitch reading comprehension >getting your "lowers" and "highers" mixed up for the second time now the absolute state of you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:04:46 2023 No.15736900 File: 9 KB, 489x413, Saturn's moon Methone, s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >It's just naturally smooth like that! - astroonomers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:04:54 2023 No.15736901 >>15736841 SpaceX only has a launch monopoly because the other company is retiring their platform for reasons unrelated to SpaceX, not because they have a captive market by driving competition out.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:05:25 2023 No.15736904

>>15736895
no, lower price is not enough, you need to use your market position in an anti-competitive way such as refusing to sell to certain companies or bundle up some bullshit along with the core service
lets say every time you bought a launch on F9, you had to buy 10 years of Starlink service
simply being cheap or good is not anti-competitive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:06:03 2023 No.15736907 File: 160 KB, 220x164, sheboxxy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736897 I am not trollin

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:06:58 2023 No.15736910
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>>15736838
Nigger the entire point of Cd is to simply something much more complex, I swear to god.

Anyway the graph Elon posted does not correspond to aircraft, just different wing shapes.
Cd generally does not decrease on supersonic aircraft through Mach 1, even ignoring the square relation to Mach or velocity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:07:40 2023 No.15736911 File: 25 KB, 357x264, poin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736900 That's an egg

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:08:56 2023 No.15736914

>>15736899
what relation do you think the graph he posted bears to the rest of the tweet? It's quite irrelevant if he only wanted to say what he said in the video anon linked. Perhaps he should've rather posted a drag-versus Mach number graph for a fixed speed.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:09:03 2023 No.15736915
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/united-launch-alliances-atlas-v-rocket-has-a-long-sunset-ahead-of-it/

> Atlas V will fly for many more years
> ULA has spent nearly a decade trying to wean itself off of the Russian engines that power the Atlas V rocket. The number of Atlas V rockets left for ULA to fly—18—was determined by the number of Russian RD-180 engines left in ULA's inventory. The new Vulcan rocket will have methane-fueled BE-4 engines built by Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos's space company.

> While the Atlas V has a finite number of launches remaining, it's likely that the rocket will still be in service as the 2020s draw to a close. That's because Boeing's Starliner crew capsule is slated to launch seven times on Atlas V rockets, with one crew test flight followed by six operational crew rotation missions to the International Space Station.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:09:36 2023 No.15736916 Can someone post some foust articles PLEASE

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:10:52 2023 No.15736919

>>15736916
Here you are

>ITU emphasizes importance of space sustainability
>PARIS — The head of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) says the agency will emphasize space sustainability as the number of satellites grows.
>In a talk Sept. 11 at Euroconsult’s World Satellite Business Week here, Doreen Bogdan-Martin, secretary-general of the ITU, said the growing risk of collisions between satellites and debris threatens the progress satellite systems are making at enhancing communications globally and closing the digital divide.

https://spacenews.com/itu-emphasizes-importance-of-space-sustainability/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:11:10 2023 No.15736921 File: 59 KB, 624x434, 1694448627021118.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >space-x closes from activist lawsuits >kongxi-x mysteriously hires 12,000 new employees do it burgers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:13:26 2023 No.15736927 >>15736910 AAAAAAAA I WANT SUPERSONIC AIRLINER IT'S NOT FAIR

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:14:08 2023 No.15736929

>>15736904
Predatory pricing is when a dominant company sells their product at a loss to drive everybody else out of business. It IS NOT predatory pricing if the dominant company is making a profit.

>local pizza shop makes pizzas for $10 and sells them for $15
>pizza hut makes pizzas for $5 and sells them for $10
NOT predatory pricing.
>pizza hut makes pizzas for $10 and sells them for $5
THIS IS predatory pricing.

SpaceX does not engage in predatory pricing, they sell their services for a profit. Their prices are cheaper because SpaceX is more efficient than their competitors. Furthermore, no harm to consumer welfare can be demonstrated and antitrust action against SpaceX is DOA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:15:27 2023 No.15736932 >>15736460 >>15736563 >>15736611 >>15736802 >>15736815 You have to go back.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:15:28 2023 No.15736933

>>15736910
>Nigger the entire point of Cd is to simply something much more complex
Cd isn't a constant and you can't treat it like one unless you're well subsonic. Cd is lower at supersonic speeds than transonic speeds, which is what Elon Musk showed in his tweet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:17:04 2023 No.15736940 File: 12 KB, 336x173, gay canc a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:17:55 2023 No.15736941 >>15736929 >no harm to consumer welfare can be demonstrated False. The welfare of many esteemed aerospace companies who purchase government contracts has been drastically harmed by SpaceX's dominance.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:18:25 2023 No.15736942

Kek this has really become quite the point of contention it seems.
My guess is Elon just mistakenly picked a graph that looks right and actually meant to say what he said on Rogan.
He is after all well known for saying the same things repeatedly for years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:18:58 2023 No.15736943 >>15736941 >no harm to CONSUMER welfare can be demonstrated harm to competing firms doesn't count, numb nuts.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:19:38 2023 No.15736944

>>15736933
>>15736910
>>15736838
>>15736829
>>15736835
>>15736714
>>15736719
>>15736305
Would you stupid faggots just make a whole new thread this is clearly not spaceflight related, not even trying to relate it to spaceplanes to be even slightly on topic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:19:48 2023 No.15736946 >>15736782 LEO comms isn't a zero sum game (yet)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:19:55 2023 No.15736947 File: 97 KB, 480x509, 1682914280985801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736910 >F-16... ...can't supercruise. Some other jets can. F-16 is not the end-all be-all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:20:54 2023 No.15736949 File: 47 KB, 442x442, IMG_1920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736944 TRVTHNVKE

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:21:52 2023 No.15736951
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https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1701236729959587914

> Another exciting step towards #Artemis II!
>The Crawler-transporter 2 has safely returned to the crawler yard park site after delivering mobile launcher 1 to Launch Pad 39B at @NASAKennedy. This marks some of the first miles traveled towards the @NASAArtemis II mission.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:21:58 2023 No.15736952 File: 1.57 MB, 1280x674, guhbye.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736932 How bout I fuckin kill you, how bout that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:22:00 2023 No.15736953 >>15736949 >>15736944 >aerospace discussion is off topic in /sfg/, but EDS rambling isn't Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:24:09 2023 No.15736960 >>15736953 I for one welcome Aerospace General.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:24:49 2023 No.15736964
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>>15736933
Not necessarily, I literally showed you a graph where that is not the case.
Regardless total drag is drastically higher anyway because of the square relation to Mach number.

It's also the case that what is 'transonic' is different depending on the aircraft because of differences in the critical Mach number.

Even subsonic airliners have swept wings to delay supersonic flow formation over the aerofoil and thereby increase functional cruise speed and efficiency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:24:51 2023 No.15736965 File: 39 KB, 325x324, catmint.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15736944 Fuck you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:26:50 2023 No.15736973 >>15736953 Spaceflight is for anything designed to go above the karman line faggot, fuck off back to the rest of the 'log. Dont try to deflect this by strawmanning, just make a new thread.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:26:56 2023 No.15736974

>>15736964
>>Not necessarily, I literally showed you a graph where that is not the case.
You showed me a handdrawn graph purporting to be F-16 data. The F-16 cannot supercruise and isn't designed for it.

For vehicles which are actually designed for sustained operation above supersonic speeds, like the SR-71 OR ROCKETS GOING TO SPACE, the Cd drops substantially once they pass through the transonic regime. Transonic is absolute shit for drag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:27:29 2023 No.15736975 >>15736973 True or false: rockets go supersonic in the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:27:54 2023 No.15736976 >>15736947 Anon the F-22 has about 1/3 the range in Mach 1.8 supercruise compared to Mach 0.85 flight. Can you please explain why this is if there is comparable drag at Mach 0.85.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:28:09 2023 No.15736978 >>15736973 but we talk about VG and they don't go above the karman line

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:28:19 2023 No.15736980 File: 601 KB, 2048x1366, wings.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] True or false: The Super Heavy Booster is a spaceplane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:28:27 2023 No.15736981 >>15736976 >Anon the F-22 has about 1/3 the range in Mach 1.8 supercruise compared to Mach 0.85 flight. Now compare it to Mach 0.95, dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:29:02 2023 No.15736984 >>15736973 You're seething! lmao. got a diaper rash surelt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:29:41 2023 No.15736986 >>15736980 supersonic space rock

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:29:54 2023 No.15736988 >>15736980 It's an aircraft, not a plane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:30:52 2023 No.15736990 >>15736988 lifting body rocket plane

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:32:07 2023 No.15736996 >>15736981 Something that is designed to be a low cost shitbucket you can send to die if need be. It doesn't have high thrust.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:36:47 2023 No.15737005 is the isaacson book available as pdf yet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:37:54 2023 No.15737008 >>15737005 its coming out tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:48:03 2023 No.15737022 >>15736953 Get on anti-psychotic medication and you'll get better.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:54:01 2023 No.15737032 File: 136 KB, 1013x932, 006398.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.nasa.gov/goddard/2023/webb-discovers-methane-carbon-dioxide-in-atmosphere-of-k2-18b

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:56:15 2023 No.15737036 >>15737032 Okay. What now mr voyeur? What do we do about it and how does it justify the billions it cost?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 16:59:09 2023 No.15737043 >>15737032 Wow! Anyway how's that Moon to Mars program coming along

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:09:04 2023 No.15737060 >>15737032 >K2-18b, also known as EPIC 201912552 b, is an exoplanet orbiting the red dwarf K2-18, located 124 light-years away from Earth. that's not too bad

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:10:09 2023 No.15737063
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>>15736974
Ok how about the XB-70 for an aircraft designed for sustained supersonic flight?

None of the aircraft in this chart see even close to a reduction in parasitic drag between their peak cd (most around Mach 1) and Mach 1.5.
For that to be the case Cd would have to reduce by more than half.

Can we finally put this issue to rest now?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:10:31 2023 No.15737064
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>>15736990
It's not a plane if it's not a fixed-wing aircraft. Calling a lifting body aircraft without wings an airplane is stretching the meaning of airplane to the breaking point. Even possessing fixed-wings only marginally qualifies something as an airplane; pic related does but would not normally be called an airplane.

>>15736996
Are you talking about the F-16? You responded to a comment about the F-22. F-16 cannot supercruise and it's Cd increases above Mach 1. F-22 can supercruise and it's Cd decreases above Mach 1.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:12:00 2023 No.15737065

>>15737032
Interesting, will have to read more when I'm able but remember this is detecting wavelengths of tiny dots, so this could both be wrong, or that molecule couldve been made some way we dont know of yet. Theres allot of room for error here before we confirm ayys exist

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:12:34 2023 No.15737066 >>15737063 Your graph shows Cd decreasing in all cases. Nobody here is arguing that DRAG ITSELF decreases. Elon Musk spoke imprecisely, but the chart he posted in the same tweet makes it clear that he's talking about Cd.

>>	Barkun Mon Sep 11 17:13:30 2023 No.15737068 >>15737065 >Interesting Fart on my lip

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:15:30 2023 No.15737070 File: 16 KB, 612x463, TH22G5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737063 Add induced drag to this and it gets even worse. Even supersonic optimised wings never regain any efficiency after going supersonic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:17:10 2023 No.15737073 >>15736818 I want Bob Smith’s definition of “well into production” lmfao

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:17:56 2023 No.15737074

>>15737032
>>15737065
Abiotic generation of methane is well understood. Methane is a simple molecule, it can be and is made when water, rocks and heat are combined. On earth, methane deep in the bedrock is abiotic, created in this manner.

Detection of methane is NOT proof of ayys, nor is it even very good evidence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:18:06 2023 No.15737075 >>15737066 >>15737070 Why are you guys having this discussion? He just posted that graph without knowing what it meant. His point was another one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:19:02 2023 No.15737076 File: 125 KB, 1280x588, IMG_2480.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737064 >>15737063 >t.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:20:18 2023 No.15737079 >>15737076 lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:20:57 2023 No.15737081 >>15737032 >>15737074 I hate modern astronomy so much. None of this matters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:21:19 2023 No.15737082 >>15737076 me on the right.

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>>15737075
Because they are selfish little fucks who refuse to make a new thread since they want attention from the most active thread in /sci/. Also jannies dont do shit on here so they dont take vacations even though THEY SHOULD BE

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:27:17 2023 No.15737088 >>15737087 voyeur astrotranny detected

>>	Barkun Mon Sep 11 17:27:43 2023 No.15737089 >>15737087 Every sense has a cushy bit. Eye, eyelid Nose, cheek Mouth, lip Ear, Earlobe Skin, printed tips

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:27:51 2023 No.15737090 >>15737075 >He just posted that graph without knowing what it meant. Let's see your aerospace company.

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>>	Barkun Mon Sep 11 17:29:20 2023 No.15737092 >>15737087 Nice nose

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:30:34 2023 No.15737096 >>15737087 >>15737091 >he posted the reaction image

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:34:17 2023 No.15737106 File: 77 KB, 802x762, Heliosphere cold cloud.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread is shockingly bad and doesn't help fight off cold clouds

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:37:36 2023 No.15737108
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>>15737106
Everyone wants to give their shitty input to bait and low effort posts lol. Wanna go watch sunsets on venus with me?
>inb4 there is no point in sending humans when it can be autonomous
Faith of the heart and the principal of sending a human is what is cool

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:41:03 2023 No.15737113 >>15737108 Venus is for gas mining and terraforming (It and Mars)

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:45:02 2023 No.15737120

>>15737113
1. Install a massive swarm of millions of orbital solar shades around Venus
2. Temperature of Venus plummets after a few hundred years, the CO2 in the Venusian atmosphere snows out
3. Surface settlement of Venus, dry ice is collected and packed dense
4. Cubes of dry ice are loaded into a mass driver and fired into interplanetary space aimed at Mars
5. Build up Martian atmosphere with this Venusian CO2 and then terraform it.

It's literally that easy.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:45:05 2023 No.15737121
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>>15736775
More telesat articles

https://spacenews.com/telesat-qa-getting-back-to-lightspeed/
> Telesat Q&A | Getting back to Lightspeed

https://spacenews.com/telesat-signs-multi-launch-spacex-deal-covering-all-lightspeed-satellites/
> Telesat signs multi-launch SpaceX deal covering all Lightspeed satellites

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/telesat-buys-spacex-launches-for-lightspeed-internet-satellites.html
> Telesat buys SpaceX launches for Lightspeed internet satellites

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/telesat-books-14-launches-with-spacex-bypassing-blue-origin-and-relativity/
> Telesat books 14 launches with SpaceX, bypassing Blue Origin and Relativity

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:45:48 2023 No.15737122 >>15737066 He said that compressibility drag is lower at Mach 1.5 than Mach 0.9. He did not say that the coefficient was lower.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:46:33 2023 No.15737123 >>15737122 He misspoke but posted the correct graph.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:47:38 2023 No.15737125 >>15737121 >bypassing Blue Origin Bypassing a company that can't put ANYTHING into orbit? I hate ars technica so much.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:48:59 2023 No.15737129

>>15737120
/sfg/ dogpiles terraforming as a meme because it would simply take for fucking ever, and I get it. But it should still be done. Beautiful cathedrals took multiple generations. There’s no reason we shouldn’t start now. Plus the profess would get exponentially faster every few generations as more and more tech becomes available
That’s my one dumbass take of the thread, you can disagree with me but I’m not changing my mind. Venus has too much of what Mars desperately needs—there’s an obvious megaproject to be started here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:49:42 2023 No.15737130 File: 76 KB, 579x747, orbit high above Mars Gorsuch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737120 how do you stop the dry ice evaporating on its way to Mars?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:50:38 2023 No.15737132 >>15737130 Saran wrap

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:51:13 2023 No.15737133 >>15737130 You don't. Some of it will sublimate but this sublimation will cool the rest and most will still get to where it's going. Throwing bigger snowballs helps a lot, by reducing the surface area to volume ratio.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:51:28 2023 No.15737134 >>15737129 >/sfg/ dogpiles terraforming as a meme never happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:52:50 2023 No.15737135 >>15737130 Put a heat shield around it to keep the sun’s heat from evaporating it, the empty void is a giant thermos bottle. You can send them back with a cargo container with manufactured goods from Mars

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:53:41 2023 No.15737136

>>15737129
My proposal is serious. Unfortunately orbital solar shades are politically contentious because they suggest a technological solution (rather than an economic/social solution) to climate change on Earth. However they will eventually be employed when the failure of all other proposals becomes too severe to ignore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:54:17 2023 No.15737138 >>15737135 Entirely unreasonable at the scales necessary. >>15737133 Has it right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:56:00 2023 No.15737141 >>15737130 put a mylar umbrella on the sunward side and accept some losses

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:56:27 2023 No.15737142 File: 111 KB, 651x891, David A. Hardy mars moon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737133 How big an iceball do I have to throw so that 90% of the CO2 arrives at Mars then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:57:16 2023 No.15737144 >>15737142 Without bothering to do any math, I'd say about 50m diameter should do the trick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:57:24 2023 No.15737145 >>15737036 you should really stop browsing /sfg/

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:57:56 2023 No.15737146

>>15736808
>"to delete, delete, delete"
I really hope this bites him in the ass with his retarded door handle designs
>absolutely no door handles on cybertruck
Why. It's so fucking stupid not to have door handles also windows can only be control through a touch screen

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:57:57 2023 No.15737147 >>15737123 It doesn't really make sense if he said the coefficient either, he could be technically correct then, but it would be a totally ignorant question in context. It's just a dunning kruger kind of thing to say with such confidence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:58:33 2023 No.15737148 >>15737032 this is huge unironically

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:58:47 2023 No.15737149 >>15737036 >What do we do about it Who said it requires rectification?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:59:02 2023 No.15737150 >>15737145 >>15737088

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 17:59:55 2023 No.15737153 >>15737123 As the other anon said if he meant coefficient his comment doesn't make sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:05:20 2023 No.15737158 >>15737129 yes, after the initial colony becomes semi-self sufficient then something like that could be tried

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:05:47 2023 No.15737159 File: 76 KB, 535x813, Elson astro helm mars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737144 That is going to mass 120 tons, you have to launch 200 billion of them to double the mass of Mars's atmosphere

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:06:31 2023 No.15737161

>>15737032
>These initial Webb observations also provided a possible detection of a molecule called dimethyl sulfide (DMS). On Earth, this is only produced by life. The bulk of the DMS in Earth’s atmosphere is emitted from phytoplankton in marine environments. The inference of DMS is less robust and requires further validation.
Pretty cool. It obviously doesn't prove the existence of life, but it's certainly one of the better exoplanet candidates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:06:37 2023 No.15737163 >>15737159 >>That is going to mass 120 tons 50m diameter sphere of dry ice weighs only 120 tons? I think you must have dropped some zeros, otherwise this plan is remarkably better than I expected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:06:37 2023 No.15737162 >>15737125 > Telesat picks the "most reliable and only reusable orbital rocket flying today."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:07:41 2023 No.15737167 reminder not to reply to schizo's bait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:09:36 2023 No.15737170 >>15737158 don't even have to wait that long. one of the first experiments could be like MOXIE but for CFCs to see how long they take to break down in atmosphere and how fast they can heat up the planet

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:10:16 2023 No.15737171

>>15736799
>You are not required to help competitors
If you offer a product or service to customers, but decline to sell that product or service to a specific customer because they compete with you in another sector, you are engaged in anti-competitive behavior. They actually do have to sell their launch services to their competition. They are not obligated to sell it to them for the same price that SpaceX offers itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:10:29 2023 No.15737173 File: 58 KB, 556x282, 1672541813500294.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] well I'll be damned

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:10:55 2023 No.15737175 >>15737146 if it becomes a massive problem, they can just add them back its that easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:11:05 2023 No.15737176 File: 85 KB, 659x445, space jokes ui.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737163 Got it from WA https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=+sphere+of+dry+ice+25m+radius+mass

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:12:24 2023 No.15737179 >>15737145 >you cant question the feasability of my idea because... YOU JUST CANT OKAY?!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:13:24 2023 No.15737180 File: 62 KB, 626x1061, IMG_2444.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737167 /sfg/ cant help itself

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:13:27 2023 No.15737181

>>15737130
By not trying to freeze the venusian atmosphere and instead building a fleet of mars-venus cyclers that collect dry ice from a network of atmospheric scoops. The cyclers would have sunshades and use some of the ice for reaction mass.
Or you build a series of small dry ice moons and send them one by one to crash into strategic locations like the Martian poles

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:13:31 2023 No.15737182 >>15737036 The first step to being able to do anything is to know what exists. We're very early in the statistics gathering phases of understanding the universe. Nobody knows how to use discoveries once they're first made.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:14:55 2023 No.15737186 >>15737179 Feasibility of what idea? You >>15737036 sperged out about some science news >>15737032 that didn't propose any action or idea for which feasibility could be discussed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:14:57 2023 No.15737187 >>15737170 just thinking priorization small experiments can be done at any point sure actual earnest engineering efforts and redirecting launched mass to venus instead of the mars colony should wait

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:16:05 2023 No.15737188 >>15737186 that's the schizo anon

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:16:58 2023 No.15737189

>>15737181
I think you could bombard Mars willy nilly with a bunch of artificial dry-ice comets for a few hundred years to get the job done. No need to aim for the poles, just let them fall where they may and the CO2 will disperse in the atmosphere.

Of course anybody living there wouldn't be happy about it, but in the long run it would work out for the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:18:41 2023 No.15737192 File: 348 KB, 1179x530, IMG_2487.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737186 Not me retard. Yes Im phonefagging, Im busy right now get bent

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:19:45 2023 No.15737195 >>15737192 Okay then, feasibility of what idea?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:20:53 2023 No.15737201 >>15737189 Yes but hitting the poles makes better use of the energy you spent accelerating all that mass by using it to also vaporize the local ice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:22:47 2023 No.15737203 >>15737163 >>15737176 >Got it from WA they used the density of the gas and not the solid, i.e they dropped three zeroes. More correct answer is 120 thousand tons. Reduce if it's in the form of a les dense snow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:22:53 2023 No.15737204 >>15737201 how dangerous would it be for colonists that aren't in the polar regions if it got bombarded by dry ice regularly? my intuition says it shouldn't matter much

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:23:03 2023 No.15737205 >>15737188 >that's the schizo anon love being called that

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:23:06 2023 No.15737206 >>15737201 Ah yes, good idea then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:23:44 2023 No.15737207 >>15737203 >>they used the density of the gas and not the solid Did it? It says solid phase: >>15737173

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:25:16 2023 No.15737208 >>15737207 >It says solid phase It lied? Look at the actual density and think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:25:58 2023 No.15737210 >>15737203 dry ice is not a gas

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:26:35 2023 No.15737212
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>>15737189
Hundred ton artificial comets of dry ice wont hit the ground just make a light show
>>15737201
That requires better aim than just 'hit Mars anywhere' and cuts into your firing window too. All the impact heat will end up in the atmosphere anyway

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:26:51 2023 No.15737213
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/11/elon-musk-moved-twitter-servers-himself-in-the-night-new-biography-details-his-maniacal-sense-of-urgency.html

> His most valuable lieutenants at Tesla and SpaceX had learned ways to deflect his bad ideas and drip-feed him unwelcome information, but the legacy employees at X didn’t know how to handle him. That said, X survived. And the Sacramento caper showed X employees that he was serious when he spoke about the need for a maniacal sense of urgency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:27:01 2023 No.15737214 File: 36 KB, 328x274, 1686981134686704.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737208 >1 cubic meter of dry ice weighs less than 2 kilograms DAMN YOU STEPHEN WOLFRAM

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:31:02 2023 No.15737220 >>15737213 >journalist opinion to paint in elon in bad light >That said, X survived funny how that works

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:31:02 2023 No.15737219

>>15737213
>Musk says X employees need to do a thing
>"nah he doesn't mean it"
>Musk tells them to do it now
>"he must mean later"
>Musk starts doing it himself
>"WTF HE'S A MANIAC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
It's a wonder twitter ever survived in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:32:00 2023 No.15737222 >>15737210 True? So what? The WA page got it worng. Do the calculation in your head using real values. You'll get approx 80,000 tonnes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:32:31 2023 No.15737223 >>15737173 It's wrong. Dry ice has a density of 1564kg/m^3. 65450 cubic meters at 1564kg/cubic meter equals 102,363.8 tonnes, over 100 kilotonnes. Always sanity check your own math, and never even bother with machine problem solving.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:33:27 2023 No.15737225 >>15737223 Yeah it's clearly wrong: >>15737214

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:36:30 2023 No.15737229 File: 193 KB, 1494x1200, IMG_2287.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737195 Oh fuck I replied to the wrong post I should really stop phonefagging

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:37:17 2023 No.15737233 >>15737213 How exactly are they supposedly deflecting the bad ideas of a maniac. He will fire your ass if you are too obstinate. Tesla's are full of Elonisms, good and bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:38:03 2023 No.15737234 wolfram alpha sucks ass and stephen wolfram is a hack

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:38:10 2023 No.15737235

>>15737212
>That requires better aim than just 'hit Mars anywhere' and cuts into your firing window too.
Well yeah, it's a strategy better suited to enormous artificial comets rather than ~50 meter pellets. Ideally, we'd build a network of cyclers that used magnetic confinement to just pipeline the atmosphere directly, but CO2's molecular properties don't play nice with that plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:39:52 2023 No.15737239 File: 79 KB, 870x588, emergency EVA Apollo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737223 Now you only need 250 million of them to double the Martian atmosphere

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:40:39 2023 No.15737242 >>15737108 >seeing the ground from above the clouds on Venus I don't think that's right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:42:10 2023 No.15737245 >>15737120 The year is 2023. Kurtzgesagt can now post directly to /sfg/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:43:32 2023 No.15737248 >>15737129 Indefinite life extension fixes the incentives

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:44:21 2023 No.15737251
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>>15737121
From the Q&A (both the excerpt and pic)

> Hats off to SpaceX and how fast they’re moving. They’ve done a great job of demonstrating how transformative LEO satellite constellations can be. We haven’t seen exactly what Amazon’s constellation is capable of, but they’re pulling the curtain back more on it, and it looks like it will also be a really powerful solution.
>Both have fundamentally designed their constellations in the first order to serve the consumer market. They’re certainly also focused on the enterprise market, but they are different markets. The government and enterprise markets demand CIRs [cyber incident response agreements], service level agreements (SLAs)… I think the customer community appreciates our heritage of being a business-to-business, enterprise-focused service provider.
>So we believe there’s going to be a big addressable market for us when we come to market in 2027. We only need a small share of it to be successful in terms of meeting our business plan objectives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:44:38 2023 No.15737254 >>15737130 Just use big pieces so the surface area is negligible compared to the volume

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:44:44 2023 No.15737255 >>15737245 I don't think I've ever seen more variety of misspellings than with that soi channel name

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:47:33 2023 No.15737261 >>15737159 >terraforming requires doing things at a large scale wow, you're the first person to notice that go collect your Nobel prize

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:50:01 2023 No.15737263 >spacex employees are saying starship is ready to launch, everyone is just waiting on the license https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1701260375839129806

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:51:50 2023 No.15737264

>>15737263
why are you green texting like that's what the tweet actually says? It says
>SpaceX's Tom Ochinero says the company is "real close" to the next Starship launch; "working closely with the regulators" at this point.
which is definitively not "ready to launch"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:52:07 2023 No.15737267 >>15737263 so they submitted it then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:53:08 2023 No.15737269 File: 87 KB, 653x724, 006404.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737263 https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1701259020378530012

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:54:09 2023 No.15737272 File: 57 KB, 665x454, 006405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737269 https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1701268917090443633

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:54:22 2023 No.15737273 File: 28 KB, 1188x284, 1676879742627354.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737264

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:56:38 2023 No.15737279 >>15737245 oh come on now, at least compare me to Isaac Arthur, not that gates foundation hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:56:46 2023 No.15737280 Reminder that planets such as K2-18 b have more life bearing potential that Earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:57:31 2023 No.15737283 >>15737263 real close =/= ready

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:58:32 2023 No.15737287 >>15737280 2.8x earths gravity is going to make rocketry almost impossible

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:59:05 2023 No.15737288 >>15736305 reminds me of the time he said his car was in orbit around Mars and anons were defending his tweet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:59:23 2023 No.15737290 >>15736951 Attention! Crawler janny has woken up! It's first stage of Artemis \|\| mission

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 18:59:26 2023 No.15737291 >>15737287 Good. It means we will have high ground advantage against the ayy scum

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:00:02 2023 No.15737293 >>15737280 >more potential than 100%

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:00:32 2023 No.15737295 >>15737287 how many stages to get to orbit with 2.9g?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:02:05 2023 No.15737299 A gigantic planet filled to the brim with warm water... and all we have to do is release a testube of water collected from some stream on Earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:04:21 2023 No.15737305 >>15737283 >working closely with the regulators at this point The rocket is ready, the paper filing is what is slowing shit down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:05:18 2023 No.15737307 File: 36 KB, 1033x341, tile guy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] S25 will surprise us

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:06:54 2023 No.15737311 images loading terribly slowly for anybody else?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:07:57 2023 No.15737314 >>15737311 nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:08:54 2023 No.15737316 >>15737311 Restard your modem.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:09:16 2023 No.15737317

>>15737307
>I'm not worried about the Starship tiles and the three-point push/click attachment. Looking at the video of the IFT-1 launch, there is no indication of lost tiles on B7S24 as it emerges from that cloud of dust and concrete debris.

>There must have been a huge amount of overpressure on that vehicle while it lingered in the vicinity of the OLM and then slowly cleared the tower. Yet, the tiles on the Ship were intact. If there were any missing tiles, the white flexible ceramic fiber mat between the tiles and the stainless steel hull would have become uncovered, and the missing tile(s) would have been immediately obvious in that video.

>The dynamic pressure at peak heat shield temperature during entry from LEO is relatively low compared to the overpressure that the tiles experienced during the IFT-1 liftoff and, especially, compared to the acoustic pressure that the Ships experienced during static firings while mounted on the suborbital test/launch stands at Boca Chica.

>Even if B9S25 has missing tiles during the EDL, that ceramic fiber mat will provide backup protection for the stainless steel hull. It's likely something like Kaowool 3000 that has maximum continuous use temperature ~2900F.

>The Starship 304 stainless steel hull has melting temperature ~1400C (2552F). The tiles on the bottom of the Space Shuttle Orbiters were designed for 2400F maximum use temperature and protected the aluminum hull (melting temperature 1221F). There's far less chance of a hull burn through on Starship than on the Orbiter during EDL from LEO.

And this is from a "space shuttle tile engineer" so he knows his shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:10:10 2023 No.15737321 File: 908 KB, 1170x1984, IMG_1185.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737311 unfortunately they're still loading

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:10:57 2023 No.15737322 bit of a wild card question but would wrapping Starship in the ceramic wool they have work?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:11:41 2023 No.15737324
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>>15737261
Because it bothers you I'm going to spell out what doubling the mass of Mars's atmosphere with Venus's CO2 would take -
250 million 100 thousand ton artificial comets and if we want to do it, in say, a century we have to fling 2.27 million of them every Venus-Mars synodic window which occur 332.3 days apart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:11:52 2023 No.15737325 >>15737311 It's happened to me a few times over the past couple of days

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:12:02 2023 No.15737326 >>15737311 Not right now, but it's been happening to a lot of people recently. It depends on your CDN location probably

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:12:29 2023 No.15737328
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Always wondered this: When astronauts on/going to/coming back from the international space station, do they see other spacecrafts and satellites during their trip?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:12:52 2023 No.15737329 >>15737299 yes, life seed the galaxy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:13:13 2023 No.15737330 >>15737328 Space is big

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:13:55 2023 No.15737331 >>15737321 "Wow I bet the future will have robots and stuff" No, just AI generated yoda porn

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:14:03 2023 No.15737333 >>15737307 >we will never have a tileless all titanium/steel space shuttle feels bad man

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:14:24 2023 No.15737334 >>15737328 not much, space is big. It would be kinda like seeing other satellites from here on Earth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:15:25 2023 No.15737337 File: 21 KB, 560x542, Prometheus eng.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737299 >>15737329

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:15:58 2023 No.15737339 >>15737317 so the tiles shouldn't be a problem at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:16:41 2023 No.15737340 >>15736875 nta but thank you for conceding. How does it feel to be an adult, while also getting mad that you’re not allowed to win an online argument by pretending to be illiterate? Paint me the picture, must be a depressing reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:17:20 2023 No.15737342 >>15737321 >>15737325 >>15737326 thank you. not my problem then

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:18:00 2023 No.15737343 >>15736884 >it’s this guy again You used this exact phrase when you started crying last thread when you got laughed out of the room for posting ESGmutt. Tell us all how we’re mad and not you anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:20:35 2023 No.15737344 >>15736907 So you’re not pretending to be retarded, you’re just actually retarded then? Why would you reveal that you goofball.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:21:06 2023 No.15737346 File: 367 KB, 1792x1206, x-37 RcHSZGn5vSiZbMNnAvDpxD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] only problem that remains is Rhaptor

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:22:16 2023 No.15737349 File: 2.31 MB, 251x255, IMG_2468.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737273 >>15737307 >>15737317 Kys redditnigger. Why are none of you shunning this troon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:22:54 2023 No.15737353 >>15737349 I was, but apparently you're not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:23:42 2023 No.15737355 /sfg/ allows reddit insider posts you /poltard/. fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:24:58 2023 No.15737357 >>15737328 when you look out of an aircraft window do you see any other aircrafts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:26:03 2023 No.15737360 >>15737346 raptor is not a problem, the plumbing, seals and avionics cabling are

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:26:19 2023 No.15737361 >>15737357 all the time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:29:25 2023 No.15737366 File: 611 KB, 1200x558, 1682322887269900.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737357 OH N-

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:29:46 2023 No.15737369

>>15737213
> Musk turned to his security guard and asked to borrow his pocket knife. Using it, he was able to lift one of the air vents in the floor, which allowed him to pry open the floor panels. He then crawled under the server floor himself, used the knife to jimmy open an electrical cabinet, pulled the server plugs, and waited to see what happened. Nothing exploded. The server was ready to be moved.

> “Well that doesn’t seem super hard,” he said as Alex the Uzbek and the rest of the gang stared. Musk was totally jazzed by this point. It was, he said with a loud laugh, like a remake of Mission: Impossible, Sacramento edition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:30:39 2023 No.15737370 >>15737032 >waking up to this what the fuck this is big if it turns out to be true

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:31:09 2023 No.15737372 >>15737369 >vent elon musk is the imposter!?!1! I knew it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:31:19 2023 No.15737373 File: 21 KB, 668x246, 006406.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1701261591902142968 > Ochinero: SpaceX has certified Falcon 9 for 20 uses, further expanding each booster's reusability potential.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:31:23 2023 No.15737374 >>15737349 its SpaceX related you demented fucking cunt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:32:16 2023 No.15737376 File: 278 KB, 1067x598, 1685729456527059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737369

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:35:43 2023 No.15737382 >>15737273 is the tank farm filled enough?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:38:27 2023 No.15737389 >>15737369 Musk really went "fine I'll do it myself"

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:39:07 2023 No.15737392
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>>15737263
Michael Sheetz POV

>>15737373
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1701256073020072186

> #WSBW rocket launch panel (from right to left):

> SpaceX VP Tom Ochinero
> ULA CEO Tory Bruno
> Blue Origin SVP Jarrett Jones
> Arianespace CEO Stéphane Israël
> Relativity Space SVP Josh Brost
> Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) VP Iwao Igarashi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:40:09 2023 No.15737395 File: 103 KB, 652x878, 006407.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737392

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:41:00 2023 No.15737396 >>15737395 4 boosters? Where are they?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:41:10 2023 No.15737397 File: 60 KB, 655x468, 006408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737395

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:41:11 2023 No.15737398 >>15737273 >ready in the coming days

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:41:26 2023 No.15737399 Raptor and BE-4 programmes have so far been fucking disasters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:41:41 2023 No.15737400 >>15737395 Do those people come there to say one line and leave?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:43:29 2023 No.15737403 File: 62 KB, 657x725, 006409.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737121 >>15736775 https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1701273880046784786 Berger thinks Telesat does not trust Blue Origin or Relativity anymore

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:45:18 2023 No.15737404

>>15737400
I think its probably a hour long panel or something, and journalists like Foust or Sheetz are just live-tweeting the most interesting snippets
if there is something article worthy, they will write and release them in the coming days (or add them as comments to some later article about the specific subject)

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:45:35 2023 No.15737405

>>15737369
>“You’ll have to hire a contractor to lift the floor panels,” Alex said. “They need to be lifted with suction cups.”
>Musk turned to his security guard and asked to borrow his pocket knife. Using it, he was able to lift one of the air vents in the floor, which allowed him to pry open the floor panels. He then crawled under the server floor himself, used the knife to jimmy open an electrical cabinet, pulled the server plugs, and waited to see what happened. Nothing exploded. The server was ready to be moved.
He is so fucking based it's unreal

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:47:10 2023 No.15737407 >>15737340 >revives 3 hour old discussion >declares he won based lunatic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:47:45 2023 No.15737408 File: 464 KB, 1536x2048, F5wQODMXkAAijWy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/AdamCuker/status/1701252647947219132/photo/2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:48:06 2023 No.15737409 >>15737403 What choice do they have, book a flight on a rocket that exists or one that doesn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:49:24 2023 No.15737412 >>15737409 is that the funniest outcome for NG? It works fine but by the time it is ready for commercial flights there are zero contracts left for it? Assuming Kuiper just doesn't happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:51:42 2023 No.15737418 >>15737357 Yes. What do the letters KLM stand for?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:53:53 2023 No.15737422

>>15736322
If you can't figure out the business case for earth observation it's one of three things: surveillance (even stock shorters track business activity from space now), agriculture, and land use (usually as a service for planning departments, or more broadly for law enforcement, industrial regulation, and environmental protection)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:54:04 2023 No.15737423 >>15737412 They will get government contracts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:54:13 2023 No.15737424 File: 44 KB, 521x520, doc pills ren wicks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] On the Wormhole-Warp Drive Correspondence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN7VLbgJFSU incredible levels of autism here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 19:54:54 2023 No.15737425 >>15736356 There's a rumor that there may even be a visible comet during the eclipse

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:13:16 2023 No.15737452 >>15737407 already told you i'm not him, i just think it's funny that these EDL schizo's have a habit of popping up once every thread to piss their pants and then vanishing into the night again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:14:44 2023 No.15737460 File: 1.16 MB, 1280x720, X-59.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NASA's Concorde about to fly soon. Sound it produces will be like closing a car door closing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:15:01 2023 No.15737462 >>15737409 If they don't exist by 2026, they'll be competing against Starship in commercial operations...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:15:32 2023 No.15737464 >>15737460 but does it scale up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:19:37 2023 No.15737476 >>15737400 I feel like the politics and business meetings would be 10000% more efficient if everyone was allowed only 1 line and got escorted away if they kept yammering

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:22:59 2023 No.15737493 >>15737418 Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:25:35 2023 No.15737502 >>15737366 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:26:47 2023 No.15737508 >>15737460 They’ve been whoring this thing out on the image archive for like the last two years I’m tired of seeing it at this point kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:31:00 2023 No.15737521 >>15737418 subtle kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:31:17 2023 No.15737523 >>15737405 Holy shit we really don't deserve him

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:33:27 2023 No.15737530 >>15737418 Krystal Loves Musk (because he's going to visit her one day and impregnate her)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:37:07 2023 No.15737542 File: 460 KB, 1144x660, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bros is the space market getting too overheated?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:38:08 2023 No.15737545 >>15737542 Only in small lift

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:41:17 2023 No.15737549 >>15737346 I totally forgot this thing launched on a Falcon. Probably the most "resused" SpaceX launch to-date kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:42:26 2023 No.15737554 File: 87 KB, 1280x720, 747 mating dance.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737418 wij gaan

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:42:54 2023 No.15737555 >>15737542 >s-stop trying to compete with us pls Unfathomably pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:44:30 2023 No.15737562 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Irf1586wKg

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:52:47 2023 No.15737570

>>15737542
>competition is when you only have two prpviders and they both stay in business forever, not when companies have to fight for contracts!!
Cry more you snake, ULA is getting a government issued "do not resuscitate" order whether they want it or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:59:16 2023 No.15737587 File: 2.00 MB, 1408x1664, 1693013819684097.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Felon husk is a scammer >But also predatory pricing illegal anti competitive monopoly we need to nationalise his assets NOW Absolutely deranged lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:01:32 2023 No.15737590 File: 70 KB, 608x627, tesla L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737587 SpaceX is not Tesla. Get a Tesla if you want to get shat in your mouth randomly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:03:50 2023 No.15737596 Rent free

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:04:13 2023 No.15737597 >>15737590 is it not common knowledge that when you drive a car off the lot, it loses half its value

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:05:19 2023 No.15737599 >>15737587 nobody here thinks musk is a scammer, we just don't want SpaceX to get sued by the DOJ because Maria Cantwell is owned by Jeff Bezos

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:05:35 2023 No.15737600 >>15737597 somehow Tesla's extremely transparent pricing really pisses off car people. I have a big car guy friend, and he's livid that Tesla has the gall to... lower prices? I don't really get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:09:05 2023 No.15737606 >>15737597 It dropped because Tesla violently slashed prices to clear their inventory. Oh well, it's only $20k. Suck it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:09:20 2023 No.15737608 >>15737590 All new cars lose a big chunk of value when you drive them off the lot. Also not spaceflight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:09:52 2023 No.15737611 >>15737590 has he never bought a car before? have you never bought a car before?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:10:21 2023 No.15737613
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I'll be near Tanegashima in November, are there any planned launches (though with the lunar mission from a few days ago, I doubt it). Can't fin any reliable calendar on the interwebs, always showing different things, though it seems I'm cucked anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:12:38 2023 No.15737614 >>15737590 >>15737597 >>15737600 If he paid a lot of money for it everyone should also pay a lot of money for it, forever Crab bucket mindset

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:14:47 2023 No.15737615 File: 112 KB, 959x740, SPACE STATION WITH ION ROCKET SHIP IN ORBIT ABOVE ANTARCTICA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:16:19 2023 No.15737618 >>15737613 H3 is still supposed to launch this year, it could happen in November I'll be there in October, pretty sure I'll miss it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:26:39 2023 No.15737635 File: 61 KB, 1080x904, IMG_8398.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is starship even structurally sound enough to do this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:29:27 2023 No.15737639 >>15737635 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:29:36 2023 No.15737640 >>15737635 The stack endured multiple rolls while having fuel leak out in to the vehicle and massive holes blown in it from FTS and still never crumpled until FTS finally did its job, it'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:30:40 2023 No.15737642 >>15737324 If we have the ability to shoot things that big I really doubt we would be worrying about things like the Venus-Mars synodic window

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:31:14 2023 No.15737643 >>15737613 The Epsilon failure and the H-3 failure delayed a bunch of stuff to FY24 ( starting April 1st next year)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:36:31 2023 No.15737651 >>15737635 There was a guy in here months ago claiming it'd never have a payload door. I'm going to grudgepost about this later

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:39:30 2023 No.15737652 >>15737590 every car's value does that except good trucks, but even so

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:40:52 2023 No.15737655 >>15737614 ah yes, the "sale today means I want reibursement for buying yesterday" crowd

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:41:53 2023 No.15737656 >>15737635 Of course, why wouldn't it be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:42:27 2023 No.15737657 File: 73 KB, 1280x720, G1 astrotrain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737635 Why deliver Astrotrain to orbit, his other mode is already a space shuttle

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:44:16 2023 No.15737660 >>15737642 yeah at that point you can just send things on long ellipse trajectories that hit the target for 2-3x the delta V input (which you easily supply cuz you have enourmous EM launch structures and fusion propulsion)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:47:05 2023 No.15737664 >>15737635 This is the best, easiest, lightest, and simplest full sized cargo door design.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:50:15 2023 No.15737668 >>15737635 unhinged design

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:58:06 2023 No.15737673 File: 90 KB, 479x1024, F5xIDZxWkAAWdtS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/EnergiaEnjoyer/status/1701313991518081065

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:58:53 2023 No.15737676 >>15737673 lel

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:59:45 2023 No.15737678 >>15737635 no, it'll be like shuttle's doors

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:01:09 2023 No.15737680 >>15737673 we don't deserve this man

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:01:19 2023 No.15737681 File: 1.65 MB, 4096x2000, X59_threeForthsFront_LGD~orig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737460 wtf, it's just an F-104 with the engine put above the fuselage.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:01:27 2023 No.15737682

>>15737235
>but CO2's molecular properties don't play nice with that plan
Is this necessarily true, though? Carbon dioxide has at least SOME interaction with magnetic fields.
The question is "how retarded are the energy requirements," and I'm too brainlet to figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:02:09 2023 No.15737683 File: 1.24 MB, 3000x2400, 5778266789_34824ef632_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737681

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:06:19 2023 No.15737686 >>15737635 Nonsensical question. You add structure until there is enough structure. Does it have the mass margins? Absolutely

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:07:33 2023 No.15737688 >>15737673 >Doug Ellison he's a seething EDSer on mastodon now

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:07:35 2023 No.15737689 >>15737635 They can beef it up wherever they want to until it is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:11:01 2023 No.15737696 >>15737673 Don't worry if you are confused, ULA has whipped up schizo infographics to help explain why... uhhhh... VULCAN IS JUST BETTER OKAY??

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:13:56 2023 No.15737702 >>15737681 There was a prototype jet with one of those back in the day, the F-107

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:14:43 2023 No.15737704

>>15737635
Unless Starship has MAJOR pogo problems (I doubt it) then no. Big ≠ bad for sensitive payloads, necessarily. It's just bad to fly on rockets like Space Launch System Block 1b Cargo and Space Launch System Block 2 Cargo because they use big ass meme SRBs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:28:22 2023 No.15737723 >>15737673 >six hundred million dollars for a launch Kill them all johnny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:30:19 2023 No.15737724 File: 34 KB, 320x409, Supersonic Bi-Directional Flying Wing niac_2012_zha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:30:20 2023 No.15737725 >>15736980 It's a space brick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:33:26 2023 No.15737729 >>15737723 cool it with the antisemitic remarks

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:35:01 2023 No.15737730
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This Mars Rover picture is supposed to be a "selfie" from Mars, but where is the arm connecting the camera to the rover?

If it's a composite image, where is the artifacting from the image composition algorithm? Where are the artifacts from the arm being 100 different positions? Where is the variance in artifacting for when the arm was in roughly the same position across multiple photos?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:39:53 2023 No.15737737 >>15737730 How out of date are you that the premise of selfie sticks being edited out of photographs is novel to you? Living under a rock for the past 15 years?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:41:29 2023 No.15737739 >>15737730 https://www.youtube.com/embed/F1e7C5b9dk8

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:43:49 2023 No.15737741 >>15737739 >Not a single image captures the arm connecting the camera to the rover

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:44:50 2023 No.15737742 >>15737741 >>15737739 >Not a single image captures the arm connecting the camera to the rover *Now I know for sure it's fake

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:46:11 2023 No.15737744 >>15737741 take a couple minutes and think this one over

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:55:38 2023 No.15737750 >>15737744 >Can't explain it so gives a condescending answer instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:58:00 2023 No.15737755 >>15737730 >>>440979942 Fuck off

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:01:49 2023 No.15737762

>>15737242
We’ll have to wait for DAVINCI to know I guess
Parker images Venus in partial-optical light and saw surface features from orbit so I’m sure it’s not crazy to think that you could clearly see the surface if you’re in a HAVOC balloon dipping above and below the major cloud layers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:02:24 2023 No.15737764 >>15737741 >>15737742 You're retarded. Why are you even in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:02:50 2023 No.15737766 >>15737762 *Parker [solar probe] IMAGED venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:02:55 2023 No.15737767 >>15737764 He made the same thread over on /pol/ and wanted more (you)s

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:03:25 2023 No.15737769 >>15737764 I was wondering if there was an actual explanation for this but it appears there isn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:04:46 2023 No.15737773 >>15737769 The explanation is that the selfie is a composite of numerous photographs, and in each photograph they took care to put the arm out of frame. If you don't understand this, then you are stupid and should kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:05:42 2023 No.15737776 >>15737773 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:21:16 2023 No.15737789 >>15737773 Doesn't make sense, you should still see at least a piece of the arm attached to a part of the rover

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:27:58 2023 No.15737794 File: 2.64 MB, 4483x6180, 1672026461221113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737789 >you should still see at least a piece of the arm attached to a part of the rover You do. Look at this part of the rover and watch the video again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:29:13 2023 No.15737797 >>15737794 yeah, the shadow also makes it super obvious where something has been removed

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:32:50 2023 No.15737804 >>15737794 I see it in the video, where is it in this image

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:33:08 2023 No.15737805

>>15737635
They tried a smaller door before and quickly abandoned that idea.Then SpaceX chose to make an even smaller Starlink dispenser and also run into problems. That's why these doors on S24 and S25 were welded shut, with reinforcement added. It seems like they have figured it out with next models, but the case for big payload door remains open and SpaceX doesn't seem to be in hurry to solve that issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:38:52 2023 No.15737814 >>15737804 see >>15737737 they shopped it out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:47:38 2023 No.15737830 >>15737814 1. Did NASA say they photoshopped the image? 2. Why would they do that instead of just showing the image as-is?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:47:43 2023 No.15737831 >>15737673 >2018 And they can't even make new Delta rockets anymore because Russia was the safe bet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:50:44 2023 No.15737837 >>15737830 Oh hey it's the guy who was bitching about false color photos back again All the originals are in the archive, have fun https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:52:15 2023 No.15737843 File: 34 KB, 1089x288, firefox_2023-09-11_19-50-43.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Plasma magnet bros... what if it doesn't work as predicted?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:55:34 2023 No.15737849
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>>15737837
I'm not whoever that is, I'm asking for someone to explain the image. If you can't explain the image that's fine but stuff like this gets my noggin joggin when people start coming up with ad-hoc dismissals rather than an actual explanation like here >>15737794

I asked a photography expert about pic related for example, and they said it's highly unlikely to be lens flare and looks like a rainbow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:58:20 2023 No.15737856 >missed the drag autism Reminder >space = everywhere >planes = planes Planes are spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:58:52 2023 No.15737858 >>15737830 My guy you can literally watch them photoshop the image here>>15737739

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:59:13 2023 No.15737860 >>15737856 Starship is a spaceplane, retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:00:11 2023 No.15737863 >>15737032 “8.6 times as massive as the earth” so it’s just another Neptune or Uranus then. Who cares.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:00:19 2023 No.15737864
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>>15737858
That's not photoshop, they are layering images on top of each other and there is still a very clear artifact of the arm from an earlier photo being cut off by one of the newer photos. That's absent from this photo >>15737730

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:02:34 2023 No.15737868 File: 23 KB, 672x389, Wernher von Braun X-15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Helicity Fusion Propulsion Drive: The Company, The Technology, and The Application https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qX2JA1bxY

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:03:55 2023 No.15737871 >>15737849 >>/sci/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=false+color Yes, yes, we know, "explain this!" Like every other time someone comes to /sci/ to bitch about false color images.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:04:09 2023 No.15737872

>>15737830
There is no secret to how they make these images. You're just a fucking retard who doesn't bother to look things up and instead assumes anything you don't intuitively understand immediately is evidence of your conspiracy theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_ii2GABPao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:04:58 2023 No.15737877 >>15737871 I have no idea what this false color thing is >>15737872 You don't either, otherwise you would just explain the inconsistencies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:05:06 2023 No.15737878 Guess which book is arriving tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:06:43 2023 No.15737884 >>15737877 >explain the inconsistencies. There are no inconsistencies. The "selfie" is a composite photograph with the arm photoshoped out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:07:36 2023 No.15737887 >>15737884 So I repeat then >>15737830 Image composition is not the same as taking the blend tool to the image.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:08:41 2023 No.15737892 >>15737887 It's shopped. It doesn't matter how many times you asked, the answer is still that they simply shopped it. You can see the blur where the robotic arm should connect, circled here: >>15737794

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:09:31 2023 No.15737895 >>15737892 1. Did NASA say they photoshopped the image? 2. Why would they do that instead of just showing the image as-is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:11:56 2023 No.15737899 you're all arguing with a moron stop it

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:13:36 2023 No.15737902

>>15737895
1. They showed you exactly how they made it.
2. Because that's how selfies are done. It looks better that way. They aren't pretending that isn't a composite photograph, you ASSUMED it wasn't without bothering to look it up: >>15737730
>If it's a composite image, where is the artifacting from ...

I showed you a video of the composite being stitched together. I showed you where they photoshopped out the arm. You now know how this image was made. If you have a problem with the way NASA chooses to communicate, that is IRRELEVANT you dumb nigger. The image is not a mystery, it has been fully explained to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:14:02 2023 No.15737903 >>15737899 I believe the technical term of art here is a "sealion" -- someone who repeatedly asks a question while pretending not to understand the responses

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:14:37 2023 No.15737906

>>15737730
This is the space flight thread, not the space photography thread. You should start your own thread for this.
Also it's a composite because the camera can't get far enough away to take a picture of the whole rover at once, so it takes a bunch of pictures and they get merged without the selfie stick. But you'd rather believe in a conspiracy than look up info about the rover's cameras, because that would be actual work.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:16:16 2023 No.15737909

>>15737899
Scientific studies have the same probability of being true/replicable as if you flipped a coin, so sorry but I cannot trust anything at face value. The scientific community only has itself to blame for that.

>>15737902
Did NASA say they used the photoshop blend tool on the image?

>>15737906
I accept the image in the video is plausible. I accept the image originally posted is plausible with photoshop. But now I want to know why NASA releases touched up/edited photos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:17:11 2023 No.15737912 >>15737909 >Did NASA say they used the photoshop blend tool on the image? Ask them. Who fucking cares what they said, the image is flagrantly photo-shopped. Looking at it shows you that.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:17:28 2023 No.15737913

>This self-portrait of NASA's Curiosity Mars rover shows the vehicle at the "Big Sky" site, where its drill collected the mission's fifth taste of Mount Sharp.
>The scene combines dozens of images taken during the 1,126th Martian day, or sol, of Curiosity's work on Mars (Oct. 6, 2015, PDT), by the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera at the end of the rover's robotic arm. The rock drilled at this site is sandstone in the Stimson geological unit inside Gale Crater.
>The view is centered toward the west-northwest. It does not include the rover's robotic arm, though the shadow of the arm is visible on the ground. Wrist motions and turret rotations on the arm allowed MAHLI to acquire the mosaic's component images. The arm was positioned out of the shot in the images, or portions of images, that were used in this mosaic.
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/jpl/pia19920/curiosity-self-portrait-at-big-sky-drilling-site

My one and only contribution to this retardation. Don't reply to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:18:17 2023 No.15737915 >>15737878 Reframe Your Brain

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:18:48 2023 No.15737916 >>15737913 So they claim then that they did not edit the photo Looks like we're both conspiracy theorists now >>15737912

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:19:15 2023 No.15737918 >>15737916 >So they claim then that they did not edit the photo They explicitly said they did: >>15737913 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:20:25 2023 No.15737922 >>15737916 What the fuck do you think 'mosaic' means?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:20:28 2023 No.15737923 Fuck off already and start your own thread, you'll get much more entertaining responses with from the general /sci/ population.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:23:18 2023 No.15737926
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>>15737918
No, they said they used component images to position the arm out of sight.

But this image where the arm is supposed to be attached there is very clear artifacting from image editing software >>15737794

>>15737922
This is what a composite/mosaic gets you, not something like this >>15737730

You can see the arm is visibly attached to the rover despite using angles to keep it out of sight most of the time
https://www.youtube.com/embed/F1e7C5b9dk8

However in this image, >>15737730

There is no arm artifact, the area around where the arm should be has image manipulation software artifacting near it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:25:53 2023 No.15737934 File: 482 KB, 1273x720, iss069e085579orig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lmao, even in space they use aircraft running light conventions

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:28:10 2023 No.15737940 >>15737934 it just werks

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:30:48 2023 No.15737945

>>15737934
Most astronauts have a piloting background, so deviation from what's familiar would be dangerous. The V-22 used a stupid throttle that looked like a helicopter's but worked differently, and the pilots kept trying to fall back to their helicopter knowledge when anything went wrong and the Osprey naturally wasn't responding as they were trained to make it behave. After that high profile accident in 1997, they switched it to a conventional, helicopter style throttle system. The spacecraft navigation lights could easily have ended up being in the same boat if they defied convention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:32:44 2023 No.15737947 File: 97 KB, 1024x526, BoTMI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737945 meanwhile in Russia

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:35:04 2023 No.15737949 >>15737934 Isn't it more of a nautical thing? If we're calling dibs on who did it first, I mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:37:57 2023 No.15737956 >>15737947 What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:45:14 2023 No.15737974 >>15737956 If you think about it, your head is also going to be tilted 40 degrees reading the horizon indicator

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:49:14 2023 No.15737983 >>15737923 But he WANTS to be gay in THIS one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:00:30 2023 No.15737989 Do any of the mars rovers have color cameras?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:06:38 2023 No.15737991 File: 601 KB, 2000x1125, indicators.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737947

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:09:03 2023 No.15737992
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ESA hopping robots to explore lunar lava tubes - can jump over 20m under lunar gravity
https://nebula.esa.int/sites/default/files/neb_study/2534/4000130741_Executive_Summary_draft_v1.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:10:48 2023 No.15737994 >>15737992 >proposed Japan's lander is going to beat them to it by years

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:11:17 2023 No.15737996 >>15737992 >20m lunar hop Isn't that kind of low? Thought we had some robots doing 60m jumps on earth already

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:11:29 2023 No.15737997 >>15737992 Who is ESA

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:18:15 2023 No.15738005 File: 232 KB, 897x1019, neil challenger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What was he thinking

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:19:05 2023 No.15738007 >>15738005 >"I flew the LTV and I wouldn't go near that deathtrap"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:20:24 2023 No.15738010 >>15738005 "We lost the moon for this"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:21:19 2023 No.15738013 >>15738005 "I hate pork"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:22:40 2023 No.15738014 >>15738005 "I could've been on Mars if not for this thing"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:33:02 2023 No.15738034 >>15736784 Uh oh, you just heckin posted a mistake on the internet. That means you’re a heckin fraud like emerald scam artist Felon Musk!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:42:17 2023 No.15738048 File: 153 KB, 1317x730, lunar terrain hazards.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:45:51 2023 No.15738056 >>15737947 What the fuck is wrong with r*ssians

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:56:05 2023 No.15738077 >>15738056 >r*ssians Reddit self censoring

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:56:36 2023 No.15738079 >>15737369 Holy based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:56:50 2023 No.15738080 >>15737991 I am beginning to understand why Gagarin crashed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:59:41 2023 No.15738084 >>15738077 What is your preferred terminology, then? Vatnik? Subhuman? Piece of shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:00:42 2023 No.15738087 >>15738084 Log off, Mr. Zubrin

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:00:51 2023 No.15738088 >>15738084 you're so edgy and cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:01:06 2023 No.15738089 >>15738084 Mystery meat cube

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:06:53 2023 No.15738103 When did /sfg/ get so many commies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:09:58 2023 No.15738107 >>15737909 >But now I want to know why NASA releases touched up/edited photos. Because they look prettier than something like this >>15737926?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:11:27 2023 No.15738110 File: 51 KB, 1136x618, lunar terrain Schröter's Valley.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:11:56 2023 No.15738111 >>15738084 Russian. You call them Russian. You're on 4chan. You're not about to get banned by a powermod just because you accidentally named Voldemort in a conversation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:12:38 2023 No.15738113 >>15738111 >he doesn't know Say a mods name and you'll get permabanned

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:14:13 2023 No.15738118
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not trying to argue, just wanted to try my hand at creating the stich. only used microsoft image composite editor.
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01126/mhli/1126MH0003900010401743E01_DXXX.jpg
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01126/mhli/1126MH0003900010401735E02_DXXX.jpg

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:15:16 2023 No.15738120
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https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw-images/?order=sol+desc%2Cinstrument_sort+asc%2Csample_type_sort+asc%2C+date_taken+desc&per_page=100&page=0&mission=msl&begin_sol=1126&end_sol=1126&af=MAHLI%2C%2C

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:16:04 2023 No.15738121 >>15738005 >"I bet that'd be fun to fly around my living room making 'woosh' sounds"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:18:12 2023 No.15738125 >>15737934 nav lights have always and will always be like that it's going to be "red right returning" until the end of time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:18:15 2023 No.15738126 >>15738111 Nice slave mentality. You think everything is about fearing/avoiding punishment. No, vatniks simply don't act like humans and thus don't deserve human dignity of a proper name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:19:09 2023 No.15738128 >>15738005 He left his eyebrows on the moon

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:24:18 2023 No.15738140

>>15738111
Unfortunately, you've simply failed to realize that when people do that here, it's not actually self-censoring. It's intended as disrespect toward the thing being referenced. I may be mistaken, but I think it originated with posters copycatting/mocking niggers on twitter who would similarly treat the word "white."
Lurk more, fag.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:31:22 2023 No.15738154

>>15738140
There's no amount of lurking that will make acting retarded somehow sensible. I get where you're coming from but retarded behavior is still retarded no matter what justification gets glued to it, and copying the behavior of people who are dumber than average for twitter is supremely retarded. You are what you post. The correct choice is not to post like a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:32:19 2023 No.15738156 >>15738154 >There's no amount of lurking that will make acting retarded somehow sensible. Indeed you will always be retarded but lurk moar regardless

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:44:13 2023 No.15738175 This general gets worse by the day

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:46:20 2023 No.15738179 File: 42 KB, 598x482, will not go to space today.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738175 Could be worse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:46:28 2023 No.15738180 >>15738175 Welcome to Earth; enjoy your stay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:47:25 2023 No.15738182 >Russia has launched Voskod capsules as late as 2014 Okay a) what the fuck how did I not know about this, and b) bwahahahah they simply cannot advance

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:51:01 2023 No.15738189 >>15738182 ???????? no

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 02:56:10 2023 No.15738196 >>15738189 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foton-M_No.4

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:00:43 2023 No.15738206 >>15738189 Oh wait shit Im replying to you again, Im an idiot. I meant to say Vostok. Which is still interesting nonetheless. Check this out, this is from the previous mission in 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_(cockroach)

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:03:38 2023 No.15738210

>>15737682
IRL the CO2 would be stored in large cold "silo" tanks (basically a tank but doesn't pressurize significantly and the top dome is a big hatch) aboard fusion propulsion tugs which get thrown at Mars by an orbital ring track, use fusion to adjust course and dump ice onto Mars incercept, brake into Mars orbit, attach to Mars orbital ring, get thrown back at Venus, use fusion to brake to orbit, attach to Venus orbital ring, and repeat.

Due to full reuse each vehicle is cheap to operate, and since there's no aerobraking in the whole loop there's little maintenance required to keep the tugs working. Due to the use of orbital rings the amount of propellant needed by the tugs per loop is dramatically lowered, mostly because the ring provides over 99% of the energy reqired to get the billion ton mass of CO2 onto a Mars intercept. Since each tug's total mass is only a fraction of the CO2 load's mass, it only needs a small fuel supply to steer, stop at Mars, and then stop again at Venus. Get a few thousand of these operating constantly in a swarm of departing laden ships and arriving empty ones and you'll be transporting trillions of tonnes per year before you know it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:05:02 2023 No.15738213 >>15738210 This seems like more hardware than a magnetic siphon

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:06:37 2023 No.15738219 >>15738210 >trillions of tonnes per year before you know it. Good now do the math how many years it takes for completion at trillions of tonnes per year

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:09:43 2023 No.15738226 File: 575 KB, 1125x1091, BF523EF3-E075-424D-B04A-45F5CB8E91B2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Press A to apologize to Raptor

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:12:40 2023 No.15738231 >>15737991 Look closer at the first pic, those two are not the same angle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:19:57 2023 No.15738239 >>15738219 idk

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:21:38 2023 No.15738242 >>15738213 A magnetic siphon will not move teratonnes of material across interplanetary distances in any way more easily or cheaply than just letting a fleet of drones do it

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:27:21 2023 No.15738247

>>15738219
At 1 trillion tonnes per year you double Mars' atmosphere mass in roughly 20,000 years. Just scale the number of drones up by whatever multiple you want to reduce 20,000 by. You could move one entire Mars atmosphere mass in one year if you had 20 million of those drone ships, for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:28:05 2023 No.15738249 >>15738226 Well, now we know what a rocket engine Pokemon's gonna look like, lel

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:30:29 2023 No.15738253 >>15738247 >1 trillion tonnes per year wow, for only 100x the current global shipping capacity we can take mars's atmosphere from 0.6% of earth's to 1.2% of earth's in more time than written history has existed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:30:32 2023 No.15738254 >>15738231 Oh shit hahahah

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:32:15 2023 No.15738259 File: 43 KB, 600x450, 74d670b374db78f3a8e0c1a31ebeb600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15737934 Of course, do you want everyone to die?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:33:54 2023 No.15738264 >>15738253 Small soulled bug creature with no grand vision for the future

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:36:27 2023 No.15738266

>>15738253
Do you think I'm an advocate for this? I'm just doing the math. Anyway big numbers aren't a hard barrier, the solution is literally just "wait for the population and economy to grow enough to make doing this a relative pittence". Of course one would ask why anyone would care about terraforming planets anymore at that point, with something like a quadrillion people living in the asteroid belt alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:40:32 2023 No.15738273 >>15738264 Small soulless bug thinks practically even with your outlandish and over the top numbers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:48:26 2023 No.15738293 >>15738242 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:26:50 2023 No.15738330 >>15738259 I took that exact same photo when I was in DC...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:27:56 2023 No.15738331 File: 153 KB, 737x4096, IMG_20230912_102622.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whats the payload and where are you sending it?

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:31:07 2023 No.15738335

It is clear that true terraforming requires technologies that are almost inconceivable. The almost, though, is important. The almost inconceivable is, in fact, conceivable; we can imagine the terraforming of Mars much more realistically than Julius Caesar could have imagined a jumbo jet, or Socrates a Saturn V.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:33:37 2023 No.15738338 File: 802 KB, 1125x877, D45DCEE7-CB62-44AE-B5C6-63F4446AFEE3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder that the FAA will simply make a revision to the current launch license without any press release

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:36:51 2023 No.15738347 >>15738338 not so fast chud. still got 6 items left on the list to complete.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:40:52 2023 No.15738350 >>15738338 Well I wish they would damn well hurry up with it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:52:13 2023 No.15738360 >>15738335 >or Socrates a Saturn V. aeolipile conceiving of a rocket is just conceiving of an enormous fart, its not a complex principle

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:11:33 2023 No.15738374 >>15737032 >2.61x the radius of Earth >26.7% higher gravity How hard would it be to reach orbit?

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:27:30 2023 No.15738385 [DELETED]

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Everyone, this newfag early staged again, you know the drill. Report for spamming/flooding and stay in this thread until page 10. He didnt even stage so we wouldnt notice and tell him to fuck off.
>>15737727
>>15737727
>>15737727
This thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:29:23 2023 No.15738389 >>15738385 Why does he do it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:30:26 2023 No.15738391 >>15738231 I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:31:22 2023 No.15738392 >>15738331 1kg to mercury

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:33:55 2023 No.15738395 >>15738392 1kg of what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:34:24 2023 No.15738396 >>15738395 Mercury.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:45:13 2023 No.15738407 >>15737878 That Isaacson book on Musk. Seems like normie slop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:48:09 2023 No.15738410 >>15738407 Any media centered on Musk and not the things that have been built up around him is normalfag fodder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:49:53 2023 No.15738413 >>15738331 krystal bodypillow neptune's orbit

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:51:53 2023 No.15738414

Holy fuck so sick of waiting for this FAA license to drop. I know theyre trying to get it out as fast as possible but its killing me. Shouldnt blame them though, OBVIOUSLY. It could be way worse if NASA was conducting the investigation, look at Blue Origin for fucks sake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:52:23 2023 No.15738415 >>15738413 I swear the captcha was RAWRD but it was too late when I realised it

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:59:07 2023 No.15738424
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https://spacenews.com/air-force-satisfied-with-spacex-services-not-concerned-about-its-growing-dominance/

>Kendall said he is not familiar with the terms of SpaceX’s agreement with Ukraine. But he said any company that signs a contract with DoD, including one run by a powerful billionaire, would be expected to comply with the terms of that contract.
>The U.S. Air Force and other DoD organizations have acquired Starlink internet services under various contracts and have not experienced problems, Kendall noted.
>While the Air Force is quite comfortable relying on SpaceX for launch services, said Kendall, “Starlink is a relatively new” product and the government is still learning about its capabilities. Being dependent on large and powerful companies is not unusual for DoD, Kendall noted. “We’re highly dependent on other companies like Lockheed Martin.” As a launch provider, SpaceX has been a “reliable competitor,” he said. “They’ve brought prices down … and their launches have been pretty reliable so far.”

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:00:16 2023 No.15738426 >>15736356 >>15737425 >>15738414 Maybe the delay is a blessing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:02:31 2023 No.15738427 >>15737425 Retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:03:05 2023 No.15738428 >>15738385 >7hrs ago You are really late

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:03:24 2023 No.15738430 >>15738414 Weak newfag shitting and crying over a few months lmao. Try being on this board since before the first f9 landing. Things are proceeding at a nice pace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:29:04 2023 No.15738515 File: 748 KB, 2048x1343, F5yVB0cXUAApRn7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1701399502538641641

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:33:02 2023 No.15738518 File: 135 KB, 215x316, lol shadowmap resolution.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738515 Did they render this in tesv.exe or what

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:38:09 2023 No.15738523 >>15738518 It's the rebar

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:39:30 2023 No.15738526 >>15738518 are you stupid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:41:06 2023 No.15738528 File: 3.39 MB, 4096x2685, F5yVB0cXUAApRn7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738515 Resolution's a bit low

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:47:01 2023 No.15738536 File: 190 KB, 1263x753, 006411.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg1EjwsNZHU

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 07:59:58 2023 No.15738550 File: 72 KB, 760x691, 1692073972435636.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738528 Ngl bros I'm not confident in the watercooledsteelplate. That fat cunt is still waaaaaay too close to the ground and putting out insane thrust.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:06:41 2023 No.15738561 >>15738550 Further off the ground than the flame trench at LC-39A/B. It's not the height. It's not the lack of a trench. The only thing that might be worth considering or worrying about is the lack of a flame diverter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:24:02 2023 No.15738579 >>15738528 It's kind of silly how messy the property line is Is this really because there's one guy who won't sell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:25:59 2023 No.15738582 File: 326 KB, 1913x1079, 006412.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738536 the fondag repairs are done

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:27:56 2023 No.15738586 >>15738579 no. that is only a problem at the starfactory. at the launch site that one guy is the US government

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:28:31 2023 No.15738589
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>>15738579
I don't know if the launch site property has something like that, but the starfactory does
the lower right plot of land is owned by someone else and they haven't been willing to sell, but I think SpaceX took them to court or something

pic is from >>15738536

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:33:54 2023 No.15738596 File: 168 KB, 656x545, Screenshot_20230912_183238_Brave.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738589 My fucking SIDES, should have taken the offer though before he gets his shit eminent domained.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 08:48:47 2023 No.15738615

>>15738589
What would even be the purpose of continuing to hold out on selling that bit of land? What could the owner possibly do with it that would make it worth keeping? Surely SpaceX has already offered them sizable sums for it in the past. Maybe the owner is trying to milk SpaceX by demanding such a ridiculous amount for it that even Musk would roll his eyes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:02:52 2023 No.15738636 >>15738615 yeah they are probably waiting for some ridiculous payday like tens of millions or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:14:18 2023 No.15738641 File: 401 KB, 1200x822, 1640242221114.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738589 This is pretty kino though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:22:32 2023 No.15738651 File: 39 KB, 670x594, 006421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1701488948139422072 Starlink launch happened 2h ago lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:24:43 2023 No.15738653 File: 85 KB, 736x892, 006422.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] About to stage so I guess its fine to dump a bunch of articles https://europeanspaceflight.com/polaris-spaceplanes-completes-mira-light-vehicle-test-campaign/

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:25:29 2023 No.15738655
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>>15738651
i cant fucking believe theyre gonna stream ift2 on that awful platform. we have better footage of SLS at 4k60fps from every angle and we still have almost nothing from starship

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:25:44 2023 No.15738657
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>>15738653
> Once MIRA testing has been completed, the company will move on to the 6.7-metre NOVA demonstrator. Testing of NOVA is expected to begin in 2024 and will demonstrate the system’s capability at higher altitudes. NOVA will be the last demonstrator the company tests before beginning working on AURORA, its multipurpose spaceplane and hypersonic transport system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:27:05 2023 No.15738658 >>15738655 I'm hoping the IFT2 stream is going to be somewhat high quality, not 4k60fps though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:31:23 2023 No.15738661 File: 113 KB, 623x919, 006424.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.space.com/chandrayaan-3-moon-lander-images-from-lunar-orbit

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:32:24 2023 No.15738664
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>>15738661
https://twitter.com/isro/status/1700436507159359834

> Chandrayaan-3 Mission:
> Here is an image of the Chandrayaan-3 Lander taken by the Dual-frequency Synthetic Aperture Radar (DFSAR) instrument onboard the Chandrayaan-2 Orbiter on September 6, 2023.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:34:47 2023 No.15738666
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https://www.space.com/china-yaogan-40-spy-satellite-long-march-6a-launch-video

> China launches Yaogan 40 spy satellite on Long March 6A rocket (video)

link to video (screenshot is from that)
https://videos.space.com/m/CndllR6q/blastoff-chinas-long-march-6a-rocket-launches-yaogan-40-satellite?list=9wzCTV4g

> China launched a new classified satellite on Sunday (Sept. 10), continuing the country’s recent rapid launch rate.

> A Long March 6A rocket lifted off from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center in northern China on Sunday at 12:30 a.m. EDT (0440 GMT; 12:30 p.m. Beijing Time). Launch video shows the vehicle rising over the verdant hills surrounding Taiyuan, powered by its four solid rocket boosters.

> Little is known about the Yaogan 40 satellite. It is designed to obtain data on the electromagnetic environment and conduct related technological tests, according to the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the country’s main space contractor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 09:42:16 2023 No.15738674 Staging >>15738672 >>15738672 >>15738672

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:08:13 2023 No.15738705 >>15738391 they're banked in opposite directions in the second pic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:09:33 2023 No.15738707 File: 28 KB, 355x185, 1654006322776.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738414 trust the plan

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:21:46 2023 No.15738719 >>15736351 better papers then you have

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:23:41 2023 No.15738720 >>15736725 also insider here the cat is out of the bad that your mom is a massive whore. Biden will be breaking the news tomorrow with live demonstration on national broadcast

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:41:58 2023 No.15738742 >>15738658 lol x streaming is at best a rolling tech demo, it's nowhere near as good or mature as any other platform capable of livestreams like twitch or youtube YOU VILL GET ZE LOW BITRATE 1080P AND YOU VILL LIKE IT

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:44:06 2023 No.15738745 File: 41 KB, 1080x803, 79ccd3c079cb027c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738742 I only have 1080p screens so not a problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 10:45:45 2023 No.15738747 >>15738745 due to the low low bitrate of x it will look like 480p from 2008 i have a 1440p screen, 1440p is the next 1080

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 11:08:58 2023 No.15738779 >>15738747 Yeah, I'm just too lazy to get new ones as these work fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 11:24:22 2023 No.15738799 >>15738293 cuz it's not how they work

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:27:41 2023 No.15738977

>>15736829
Concorde supercruised fine and was more efficient per mile traveled the faster it went.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust-specific_fuel_consumption
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/14509/in-what-way-are-the-concordes-engines-considered-efficient

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:33:08 2023 No.15738985 >>15738259 I absolutely do but I recognize the value in the running light configuration.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:34:36 2023 No.15738987 >>15738674 Just let somebody else do it, you don't have what it takes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:36:52 2023 No.15738992 >>15738987 I've been starting like 70% of the threads retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:40:48 2023 No.15738994 >>15737934 You mean the boat light conventions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 14:08:01 2023 No.15739032 File: 62 KB, 640x480, desu-grin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15738994

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 14:23:11 2023 No.15739070 >>15738674 >>15738672 >>15738672 >>15738672

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 14:28:01 2023 No.15739075 >>15739070 we know faggot

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