/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15732866]

How true is picrel infographic in scientific terms? Has "progress" in nutritional science only lead to worse, lower quality food? If so why? Who is responsible?

[Anonymous No.15732897]

>>15732866
>onions/almond/oat milk
>unnatural
It's literally just ground up almond/onions/oat soaked in water. You can make non dairy milks at home really easily. Same thing with tofu, it's existed for 2000 years

I think you're confusing "unnatural" with "twisted and warped by industrial production" which is true about most foods in the west. Every heard of recombinant bovine growth hormone? Nearly every dairy cow in America is treated with it and they dont even have to put a warning. There's antibiotics in chicken and yes, eggs. Just avoid ultra processed shitty industrially made foods if you care so much.

That being said I still wouldn't eat margarine or multivitamins. The latter is redundant, you only need small amounts of vitamins and you can get them from just eating foods like normal.

[Anonymous No.15732905]

Fun fact: you can bypass comment length using the filters, like I demonstrate here with onions
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[Anonymous No.15732943]

>>15732866
How are bugs "Unnatural"?
How is a multivitamin "Nutritionally Void"?
How is butter more "natural" than tofu?
I'll concede that more processed food is worse for you, either due to nitrates, preservatives, etc. but this meme is smoking crack

[Anonymous No.15733093]

>bugs
>nutritionally void

so many species eat bugs just look up insectivore

are u stupid?

[Anonymous No.15733094]

>>15733093
Humans can’t effectively use all the nutrients in bugs, specially their chitin (fiber)
Other animals can
Doesn’t mean we can too

[Anonymous No.15733102]

>>15732866
some people have viral damaged bodies and don’t respond well to some of the foods on the left

[Anonymous No.15733114]

>>15732866
what a retarded as fuck image.

[Anonymous No.15733118]

>>15733114
>t. s o y b o y

[Anonymous No.15733119]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with margarine.

[Anonymous No.15733248]

>>15733119
You might as well eat plastic

[Anonymous No.15733251]

Fat is good for you

[Anonymous No.15733270]

>>15732866
The science is wrong, we didn't need more iron, but we needed heavy metals. They got it the wrong way round, and made people sick.

[Anonymous No.15733274]

1lb of starchy veg
1lb fruit
.75lb meat/fish/egg
3 servings dairy
2 servings nuts/legumes
1oz dark chocolate

minimal amounts of everything else

people will complain about this but you can check the math for yourself

[Anonymous No.15733284]

>>15732866
But tofu is just coagulated onions beans? What's unnatural about that?

[Anonymous No.15733292]

>Multivitamin
>Nutritionally void
Good bait

[Anonymous No.15733297]

>>15733284
the magnesium chloride and calcium sulfate in packaged tofu.
and of course the massive amounts of estrogen, which no man should be consuming

[Anonymous No.15733298]

>>15732866
bugs are natural
>>15733094
many foods contain fibre

[Anonymous No.15733304]

>>15733297
Magnesium chloride is a salt and calcium sulfate is just gypsum which is completely inert, they're both the main coagulants used in tofu production. Both minerals have been used in cooking since before written record.
Do you also think pretzels and corn torillas shouldn't be made since they are made with potassium hydroxide and calcium hydroxide respectively?

[Anonymous No.15733308]

What Are Side Effects Associated with Using Magnesium Chloride?

Common Side effects of Magnesium Chloride include:

respiratory depression
low core body temperature (hypothermia)
flushing
significant decrease in blood pressure
stupor
sweating

[Anonymous No.15733310]

>>15733298
chitin causes cancer

[Anonymous No.15733312]

>>15733310
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.15733313]

>>15733308
If the amounts of magnesium chloride in foods like tofu were enough to make anybody sick wouldn't the entirety of the tofu eating world be fucked up all the time? It's not like tofu or tempeh are recent things.

[Anonymous No.15733314]

>>15733310
how?

[Anonymous No.15733317]

>>15733310
Chitin is just a polysaccharide, how does a chain of sugars give you cancer?
Mushrooms have been eaten since before agriculture, how are we not all dead from cancer if a chain of sugars gives you cancer?

[Anonymous No.15735742]

>>15733317
>eat the bugs, goy

[Anonymous No.15735766]

>>15733298
That’s why I said it’s not high nutrient compare to actual meaf

[Anonymous No.15736025]

>>15735742
Mushrooms having chitin doesn't make them bugs.

[Anonymous No.15736043]

>>15732897

[Anonymous No.15736081]

>>15733297
>and of course the massive amounts of estrogen, which no man should be consuming
This is a retarded myth. Plant isoflavones are 1000x weaker than estrogen which means you'd get a higher estrogenic effect from all the estrogen in animal products (which are all estrogen boosted with all the intensive hormone treatment and castration). If anything, the higher protein density and complete amino acid content in onions will stimulate more testosterone production. But this is ultimately all negligible, estrogen levels have more to do with lifestyle and genetics than diet. This whole 'onions=estrogen' myth was manufactured by the dairy industry and you guys are none the wiser.

[Anonymous No.15736084]

>>15736081
fuck, /sci/ changes soi to onions.

[Anonymous No.15736086]

>>15732866
True and real. Do not trust anything that comes from big corpos, main stream media, or government. Specially anything in any way related to jews, democrats, or globohomo.

[Anonymous No.15736106]

>>15736086
>Do not trust anything that comes from big corpos, main stream media, or government.
>Soi makes u gay cus le media told me so
kys.

[Anonymous No.15736108]

>>15732897
based and nuanced-pilled.

[Anonymous No.15736111]

>>15732897
Literally the most obvious observation. This thread has no need to exist, and the question in op is unscientific.

[Anonymous No.15736113]

>>15733093
>implying there is no difference in digestive systems between humans and birds
I'm sorry anon, you never stood a chance

[Anonymous No.15736137]

>>15736106

[Anonymous No.15736149]

>>15733119

[Anonymous No.15736156]

>>15732943
> Multivitamins
Corpos put cheap crap to cheat in lab tests. Do not trust anything made in China or the US.

[Anonymous No.15736182]

>>15732866
It couldn't be more untrue and pathetic cope to preserve boomer lifestyle. Also, nothing on the left is "natural". Did anyone ever find butter in nature? Chicken eggs used to be a lot smaller a few centuries ago. Today's eggs aren't "natural", they're the product of millennia of breeding (ZOMG GME). Same with those fruits and vegetables. All that shit looked super nasty a few thousand years ago. Have you ever looked at "natural corn" for example?
>pasteurized cow's milk is natural
Apart from the treatment, there's nothing natural about drinking another species' milk. And that steak? Is it beef? From cattle? A species that only exist because humans domesticated aurochs? How would anyone even think this should be considered natural?

That being said, "natural/unnatural" says nothing about good/bad or healthy/unhealthy. Ricin is natural and kills your. Synthesised ascorbic acid sounds pretty unnatural to me, yet vitamin c supplements prevent scurvy in absence of fresh fruits and vegetables.

[Anonymous No.15736214]

>>15736182
What kind of severe mental illness compels someone to write a post like yours? Maybe 20 years ago a particular brand of teenage kiddies would've applauded you for your "critical thinking", but you're a grown fucking adult. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together has long figured out that the "skeptic" movement was a malicious psyop engineered to produce golems who act like amateur lawyers for anything and anyone willing to harm them for an extra buck.

[Anonymous No.15736220]

>>15736214
Can u refute any of his points?

[Anonymous No.15736223]

>>15736220
He literally did not make a single point. He's just mindlessly remixing and regurgitating 2000's skeptoid cliches.

[Anonymous No.15736225]

>>15736223
>He literally did not make a single point.
No, he's saying that the label of 'natural' and 'unnatural' as stated by OP is mostly arbitrary and meaningless, what's actually important is knowing if something is demonstrably healthier or not.

[Anonymous No.15736229]

>>15736225
>he's saying that the label of 'natural' and 'unnatural' as stated by OP is mostly arbitrary and meaningless
And he's completely wrong about it, but here's the kicker: the labels don't matter and have zero bearing on the substance of the thread. Just realize already that you've been programmed to have an uncontrollable Pavlovian reaction of skeptoid seethe whenever you see the word "natural". You are not making "points". You are not behaving "rationally". You are brainwashed. You are programmed.

[Anonymous No.15736235]

>>15736229
>you've been programmed to have an uncontrollable Pavlovian reaction of skeptoid seethe whenever you see the word "natural".
Says the guy reeling from >>15736182
Dude you're obviously not in a good emotional state to have a rational conversation.

[Anonymous No.15736236]

>>15736235
Trying to help you here, but clearly, your asshurt makes you impervious to reason. Go shit out some more automated posts that have no actual connection to the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15736238]

>>15736236
Your use of profanity indicates heightened emotional distress.

[Anonymous No.15736242]

>>15736238
Not an argument. All my points stand unchallenged. I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.15736245]

>>15736242
>Not an argument.
It never was. You're getting excessively angry over some anon's critiques. Is everything ok? I know a damaged psyche when I see one.

[Anonymous No.15736247]

>>15736245
Still no argument. My points still stand undisputed. Seethe harder.

[Anonymous No.15736254]

>>15736247
You never never had any points to begin with other than a barrage of ad-hominems. I merely explained to you the contents of >>15736182
which you so vehemently deride without refutation.

[Anonymous No.15736255]

>>15736182
>Natural
Roughly translates "something your grandma could have plausibly made using basic tools".

>Unnatural
Processed slop coming out of a factory. Hope that clears up your severe confusion. No idea how your retarded semantics argument is relevant but I hope this helps clear your confusion.

[Anonymous No.15736257]

@15736254
The brainwashed goyslopper still keeps trying to (You) me. LOL. This mindless animal will even try to address me again.

[Anonymous No.15736259]

>>15736255
>"something your grandma could have plausibly made using basic tools".
But what constitutes as 'basic tools?', I'm pretty sure ur grandma isn't churning her own butter, or breeding her own cattle for that matter.

[Anonymous No.15736261]

>>15736182
>Natural
That roughly translates as "something your grandma could have plausibly made using basic tools".

>Unnatural
That means processed slop coming out of a factory. No idea how your retarded semantics argument is relevant but I hope this helps clear your confusion.

[Anonymous No.15736265]

>>15736257
I'm not too sure what you're so angry about, it seems you're projecting your own internal frustrations. Go on, speak what you must, you're safe here.

[Anonymous No.15736266]

>>15736259
I'm sorry that your grandma can't make butter. Maybe she'd have more strength at old age if she hadn't eaten processed slop her whole life.

[Anonymous No.15736268]

The dumb animal literally cannot stop trying to (You) me. I'm closing this tab now but the fully automated nigger will address me again because it literally lacks a prefrontal cortex.

[Anonymous No.15736270]

>>15736266
>I'm sorry that your grandma can't make butter.
So when u ate cookies at her place, she churned the butter herself? You'd be quite lucky to have such a luxury.

[Anonymous No.15736273]

>>15736270
>she churned the butter herself?
Yep. Sorry that your autistic deflection attempt didn't work out.

[Anonymous No.15736280]

>>15736268
Ah yes, the 'prefrontal cortex'. To be perfectly frank, it seems you've barely exercised yours. Something tells me this isn't the first time you've gotten this mad over something so trivial, you've probably been ostracized by the wider community for your temper. Take a deep breath, and redirect your attention elsewhere, this conversation cannot serve anymore purpose, but feel free to reply.

[Anonymous No.15736301]

>>15736273
I wasn't trying to really engage in an argument in the first place. You people are overly hostile. I get the impression that you agree with OP, this is probably due to media and corporate indoctrination which you claim to be immune to. Your grandma could probably make tofu in her kitchen, heck asian peasants have been making it for millennia using nothing more than heat, sea salt, basedbeans and wooden barrels.

[Barkun No.15736307]

>>15736301
It might be dangerous.

Things like I now sense your voice as a mix of upper and lower tones set perfectly to the music. I don't know whether I'm going to stumble on a hot shape one day that causes me lots of pain. Who knows?

[Anonymous No.15736308]

>>15736301
>Your grandma could probably make tofu in her kitchen
She probably could. And it probably wouldn't be the slop in OP's pic. Anyway, that's a lot of seething but no counter-argument.

[Anonymous No.15736311]

>>15736301
>Your grandma could probably make tofu in her kitchen
She probably could. And it probably wouldn't be the slop in OP's pic. She also wouldn't view it as a replacement for real food. Anyway, that's a lot of seething but no counter-argument.

[Anonymous No.15736314]

>>15736273
>>15736301
That being said, in terms of fat and calorie cotent, tofu and bugs are severely lacking. It all depends on what lifestyle you pursue, protein-wise onions and lentils are superior having a higher protein density.

[Anonymous No.15736317]

>>15736311
I agree, in terms of fat and calorie cotent, tofu and bugs are severely lacking. It all depends on what lifestyle you pursue, protein-wise soi and lentils are superior having a higher protein density.

[Anonymous No.15736320]

>>15736317
Ok. Now that you understand what "natural" vs. "unnatural" means and agree with me that tofu is not a good substitute for meat, eggs and dairy, what issue do you take with OP?

[Anonymous No.15736371]

>>15736320
>what issue do you take with OP?
Nothing too substantial really, other than the ambiguous advertisement language. I was just engaging this autist who was getting abnormally butthurt over >>15736182

[Anonymous No.15736374]

>>15736371
>ambiguous advertisement language
What ambiguous "advertisement language"?

>I was just engaging this autist who was getting abnormally butthurt over
What autist? Sounds like someone's living rent-free in your head.

[Anonymous No.15736378]

>>15736374
What ambiguous "advertisement language"?
Oh pls literally every other product at the groceries has the words 'natural' or 'organic' spammed over it, the relentless health-fad marketing over the past decades have pretty much eroded all the meaning (if any) these words once had.

[Anonymous No.15736381]

>>15736378
>every other product at the groceries has the words 'natural' or 'organic' spammed over it,
What does that have to do with OP? Is OP a grocery store manager?

>health-fad marketing over the past decades have pretty much eroded all the meaning (if any) these words once had.
I'm sorry that marketing has so much power and influence over your perceptions.

[Anonymous No.15736384]

>>15736381
>I'm sorry that marketing has so much power and influence over your perceptions.
The meanings of words outside of jargon are based on their vernacular use, in which case the words "natural", and "organic" as descriptions of food products are essentially defined by their use in marketing and the subsequent ambiguous parroting by ignorant consumers who make up the vast majority of people who use the word, and hence define it.

[Anonymous No.15736387]

>>15736384
>words "natural", and "organic" as descriptions of food products are essentially defined by their use in marketing
I'm sorry that marketing has so much power and influence over your perceptions.

[Anonymous No.15736391]

>>15736387
That's just the way language is.

[Anonymous No.15736393]

>>15736387
Bingo.
>"Natural" and "organic"? That's just marketing.
>Therefore "natural" and "organic" are words that no longer mean anything
>Therefore there is no natural and organic food
>Therefore the highly-processed slop I eat is as good as anything else
>Only stupid people fall for marketing
>I'm not like the stupid masses, no sir
He's literally THAT easy to control.

[Anonymous No.15736394]

>>15736393
Well, that's the thing, OP never defined what he meant by 'natural' which leaves it open to ambiguity.

[Anonymous No.15736395]

>>15736391
I'm sorry that your language is that way. Personally, I wouldn't let marketing teams determine my language and my thoughts.

[Anonymous No.15736398]

>>15736395
You still don't get don't you? Words are DEFINED by how they're used. Your definition of 'naturalness' is something which I obviously recognize, it's just that generically saying some food product is "natural" invokes the much more common definition of marketing BS.

[Anonymous No.15736400]

>>15736394
Shh. Those words, they just don't mean anything anymore, so you don't have to think about it.

[Anonymous No.15736402]

>>15736398
>Words are DEFINED by how they're used
>generically saying some food product is "natural" invokes the much more common definition of marketing
I'm sorry that your vocabulary is DEFINED by how it's used by marketers.

[Anonymous No.15736407]

>>15736229
>And he's completely wrong about it
Enjoy your natural foxglove then of natural things are good for you. You should unironically eat some.

[Anonymous No.15736410]

>>15736402
>I'm sorry that your vocabulary is DEFINED by how it's used by marketers.
It's not that my vocabulary is defined by marketers, it's THE vocabulary. Words are given meaning by how ppl use them, there is no universal 'dictionary' which people automatically refer to when using a word. Your definition of 'natural' still contradicts some of OP's image, but that is irrelevant as we both seem to agree on the argument at hand a few posts ago.

[Anonymous No.15736411]

>>15736398
Everyone gets your childlike point just fine. You're the one missing a more important point: a natural side-effect of the aggressive, cynical marketing you're complaining about is to prime people who like to think of themselves as "critical thinkers" against legitimate alternatives to the slop-based food supply. You're being conditioned into an attitude of animosity and dismissiveness that's triggered by words as mouth noises or words as symbols, rather than words as conveyers of meaning.

[Anonymous No.15736413]

>>15736410
>It's not that my vocabulary is defined by marketers, it's THE vocabulary.
I'm sorry that marketing vocabulary is THE vocabulary in your mind. That's a You Problem.

[Anonymous No.15736420]

>>15736411
>against legitimate alternatives to the slop-based food supply.
I never said I was. I just don't care. I honestly don't care how words are used provided I know the idea they're trying to express. Semantics is arbitrary, it's the content that matters.

[Anonymous No.15736422]

>>15736420
Man, some people really can't be helped. If only you could see the irony of this whole exchange.

[Anonymous No.15736430]

>>15736422
What's even your fucking point? At least we can both agree that this whole thread is just dumpster fire of astral autism, and started over some bullshit semantics. I don't even give a shit about this 'goyslop' fiasco, I merely see foods in terms of their macro and micronutrients, if anything lifestyle and genetics have more to do with health than retarded diet fads which never work.

[Anonymous No.15736432]

>>15736430
>What's even your fucking point?
My point is that people like you think they're these big clever skeptics dodging marketing but in reality, marketers just enter you through the back door, using your own smugness against you.

[Anonymous No.15736433]

>>15736432
>My point is that people like you think they're these big clever skeptics dodging marketing but in reality, marketers just enter you through the back door, using your own smugness against you.
Projection much?

[Anonymous No.15736436]

>>15736433
Not at all. I'm not the one who has fits every time someone uses the word "natural", nor am I the one who churns out dozens of posts convincing others that marketing lingo is THEEEEE language. lol

[Anonymous No.15736438]

PSA: "projection" is just "no u" for pseudointellectuals

[Anonymous No.15736440]

>>15736436
>I'm not the one who has fits every time someone uses the word "natural"
>>15736214
Triggered much?

[Anonymous No.15736442]

>>15736440
At least try to make some sense.

[Anonymous No.15736447]

>>15736438
PSA: "no u" often is the correct reply, as projection is in fact quite common.

[Anonymous No.15736448]

>>15736442
Dude your the autist having a meltdown to some guy's post.

[Anonymous No.15736450]

>>15736447
>"no u" often is the correct reply
if you actually felt that way, you would've just said that

[Anonymous No.15736451]

>>15736448
No one cares about your personal reddit drama.

[Anonymous No.15736454]

>>15736450
I didn't say it though.

[Anonymous No.15736457]

>>15736454
you sound like broken bot

[Anonymous No.15736478]

>>15736214
This autist read some post and started writing these incoherent rage-fueled rants about 'pseudo-intellectual skeptics'. This is textbook projection, that being the triggering poster is someone he can identify with, an identification which makes him feel insecure, and thus provide the subconscious urge to attack anyone who remotely resembles it. QED.

[Anonymous No.15736481]

>>15736182
You sound a little grumpy. It's okay. It's natural to feel a bit down sometimes. :^)

[Anonymous No.15736539]

>>15736457
You're simply confusing me with another anon. Did you know that it's not just one guy who posts under the name Anonymous?

[Anonymous No.15737384]

>>15736182

[Anonymous No.15738287]

hmmmm, healthy traditional diet or 100% estrogen soi diet?
so hard to chooose

[Anonymous No.15738324]

[Anonymous No.15738326]

>>15732943
>How are bugs "Unnatural"?
/Eating/ bugs is unnatural. Your own instincts tell you that you aren't supposed to eat them.
>How is a multivitamin "Nutritionally Void"?
Angel dusting. (But not all vitamin supplements are fake and gay--always read the label.)
>How is butter more "natural" than tofu?
Tofu is a soi product. Science has shown that consuming even one picogram of soi will turn you into a blonde bimbo with yuuuge badonkers.

[Anonymous No.15738403]

>>15732897
>Just avoid ultra processed shitty industrially made foods if you care so much
Literally everything on the right, besides the coackroach, is exactly that.

[Anonymous No.15738416]

>>15738326
Eating bugs is perfectly natural and common around the world. Why do you follow kosher laws if you're not Jewish?

[Anonymous No.15738429]

>>15736280
>>15736265
>>15736245
Hope this isn't off topic but.... What about lab grown mean? Technically the most nutritional "meat" one can eat is human meat. Which means if you want your lab grown meat to be as nutritional as possible, you should use donated human cells for the culture. But does eating lab grown "human meat" make you a cannibal like Hannibal Lecter??

[Anonymous No.15738446]

>>15738416
Eating bugs ONLY happens in shithole countries where it's common to run out of food.
Bugs carry all sorts of diseases. Bugs have zero nutritious value to humans. Your instincts don't lie; you're not supposed to eat bugs.
>only (((ze tribe))) gets to not eat ze bugs
Gee, I wonder who posted this?

[Anonymous No.15738447]

>>15738429
lab grown meat causes cancer

[Anonymous No.15738567]

>>15736081
you are such a fucking midwit. Did you read that 2 years ago on the front page of your favorite reddit, spewing it out of your soi shriveled mouth ever since?
Isoflavones are classified as Phytoestrogens, Phytoestrogens are definitionally Xenoestrogens. "Xenoestrogens are clinically significant because they can mimic the effects of endogenous estrogen and thus have been implicated in precocious puberty and other disorders of the reproductive system."
"Some plants (like the cereals and the legumes) are using estrogenic substances possibly as part of their natural defence against herbivore animals by controlling their fertility."
Soi phytoestrogens are approved by the FDA for treating symptoms of menopause caused by low estrogen and preventing low estrogen induced breast cancer. Their potent effects on the endocrine system are so obvious, that they have been used to treat low estrogen related problems for thousands of years in women.
Estrogen blood levels are nearly 1000x smaller than testosterone levels. With there only being hundreds of nanograms circulating and only 100 micrograms total in an adult male. The concentrations of just one of the phytoestrogens in tofu is 166 micrograms per gram. In beef estrogen content is 20 picograms per gram. So, your argument is that the compounds, that are medically used to replace/increase estrogen, aren't negatively effecting your endocrine system because they are 1000x weaker than estrogen, with the substitute you eat only containing 10,000,000 times more of them.
Your dyel bitch ass is so fucking retarded I can't stand it. There are multiple articles suggesting just a 10-20% increase in estrogen content in meat over a decade, could vastly increase estrogen caused cancers and illness. You are replacing this meat with something that relatively impacts your body 10,000 times as much.

[Anonymous No.15738619]

>>15733094
and yet bugs contain massive amounts of protein by weight. The issue is that they are small, so you have to eat a lot of them.
Which is part of why they aren't really a staple, unless you can easily capture them on a bulk scale, like grasshoppers or ants or they're very big like crabs.

[Anonymous No.15738620]

>>15738567
People have been eating mostly grain for many thousands of years, why is that suddenly a problem?

[Anonymous No.15738638]

>>15738567
>are classified as
>are definitionally
>t-technically I'm right
>i-i-ignore that guys in countries where soi is a staple food don't grow tits

[Anonymous No.15739251]

>>15736400
That's precisely the point. "Natural" clearly doesn't mean natural when OP uses it. Do what does it mean? No more than it does when used in marketing.

[Anonymous No.15740493]

[Anonymous No.15740580]

>>15740493
>sell goyslop cattle feed
>fill it with soi
>put a soiboi-proof cap on it
The jews are just trolling at this point.

[Anonymous No.15740614]

>>15738326
>Science has shown
Aren't u guys against the 'soience', if anything these studies are largely inconclusive with many supporting the contrary. Plant isoflavones are 1000x weaker than estrogen, youre getting more from eating all the hormone-treated meat and dairy than anything. Ultimately these effects are all negligible, estrogen levels have more to do with lifestyle and genetics. Fucking azns have been ingesting soi for millennia and it's only westards getting fagged.

[Anonymous No.15740639]

>>15733093
>insect
>vore
Uh, yeah im listening.

[Anonymous No.15740730]

>>15738638
>meaningless soi drivel of which I don't have the time to copy
I see, the soi cope has gotten to the point where they are claiming that a compound being scientifically categorized under the 'chemicals that simulate estrogen' group doesn't mean it simulates estrogen.
>i-i-ignore that guys in countries where soi is a staple food don't grow tits
Never said they did grow tits you disingenuous retard.
>picrel
Now that you bring it up though...
The three nations that most come to mind when I think of masculinity are totally China, Japan, and fucking Brazil lmao.
China/Japan: "early Chinese immigrant workers were derided as emasculated men. One study has shown East Asians as being perceived as being "less masculine" than their white and black American counterparts." Both countries males are stereotyped as either weak and frail or extremely overweight. With Japan having a world famous sport that is exclusively men with tits bouncing off each other.
Brazil: Literally famous for being the men with tits capital of the world.
>inb4 what about fat Americans
Let's take a look at that shall we? Before the obesity epidemic starts in the early 70s: The American male is stereotyped as industrious, fit, and masculine. After: fat, lazy, and arrogant, basically the opposite in just 30 years. What could have possibly caused this? It wasn't an increase in consumption of animal fat or animal meat. Surely it must have been an increase in sugar consumption! Oh, sugar consumption barely changed from the 60s baseline, with it drastically decreasing since the 90s? I wonder if it could be because of the product with the only positively correlating consumption increase? With R^2 nearly being .9. Which is that again? Basedbean oil? No, it couldn't be that, Mrs. Buzzfeed commie bitch told me se. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4511588/
Hey, At least you have low cholesterol! Cholesterol being the building block for testosterone...

[Anonymous No.15740764]

>>15740730
>were derided as
>being perceived as
>stereotyped as
>having a world famous sport
>famous for being the men with tits capital of the world.
>stereotyped as
Dude. Do you have anything but racist stereotypes to back your "soi simulates estrogen" theory?

[Anonymous No.15740798]

>>15740730
>see, the soi cope has gotten to the point where they are claiming that a compound being scientifically categorized under the 'chemicals that simulate estrogen' group doesn't mean it simulates estrogen.
And so does the estrogen in animal products. In comparison, plant isoflavones are orders of magnitude weaker and soi compounds don't nearly have enough of them to have a registerable effect, all the soi studies show no real effect. If anything the higher protein densities in soi should promote testosterone production (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37603200/))

[Anonymous No.15741069]

>>15740730
>>15740764
>>15740798
>Dude. Do you have anything but racist stereotypes to back your "soi simulates estrogen" theory?
If you won't take my word for it, even this propaganda piece literally fucking states that they are.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1480510/
I'm sorry you are incapable of typing "xenoestrogen onions" into google. It must be very hard being mental disabled, I'll try and be more patient with you.
>picrel
The top 4 are all known to contain large amounts of phytoestrogens, amounts where interactions with estrogen receptors are easily detectable after one typical meal. Higher levels of estrogen and estrogen receptor activation are associated with obesity. The use of phytoestrogen containing oils, such as onions oil, corn oil, and rapesneed oil are the only explanation for the world wide obesity epidemic. Every fucking food besides fruit has them inserted in some form.
>And so does the estrogen in animal products. In comparison, plant isoflavones are orders of magnitude weaker and soi compounds don't nearly have enough of them to have a registerable effect, all the soi studies show no real effect. If anything the higher protein densities in soi should promote testosterone production
Fuck off retard, I already explained why that is retarded.
>>15738567
There is 10 million times less estrogen related molecules in beef/chicken than in tofu and most onions protein. Even if the phytoestrogens in onions are 1000x weaker than the pure estrogen in meat, they are much stronger than that, you are still consuming an amount that leads to 10,000 times estrogen system interaction.

[Anonymous No.15741081]

>>15741069
Nobody doubts the technical definition of a xenoestrogen or that soi contains some. The question is: does eating soi have any effects on humans? You still haven't provided proof of that.
>There is 10 million times less estrogen related molecules in beef/chicken than in tofu
How much exactly? Sauce?

[Anonymous No.15741100]

>>15739251
I've already explained earlier what people who aren't brainwashed mean when they say "natural". I'm sorry that marketing people have so much power and influence over your mind.

[Barkun No.15741103]

>>15741100

[Anonymous No.15741246]

>>15741069

[Anonymous No.15741279]

>>15741069
>There is 10 million times less estrogen related molecules in beef/chicken than in tofu
Stfu pseud, you're just pulling numbers outta ur ass. It's more like 20mg of isoflavone per 100g of soi vs 0.01mg of estrogen per 100g of beef (u can get these with a simple Google search).
"The estrogenic potency of isoflavones is about 100-fold (coumestrol) to 1,000-fold (daidzein) weaker than that of 17β-estradiol [6, 7]."-(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2942013/))
Cope and seethe retard.

[Anonymous No.15741407]

>>15741100
You dumb cunt, I'm adhering to the actual definition of the word. You're using it as a buzzword. You ARE the marketer and you're bad at your job because you have zero power and influence here.

[Anonymous No.15741996]

[Anonymous No.15742129]

>>15736225
It's a simple case of equivocation. The guy obviously is conflating various potential interpretations of the word "natural" when they clearly don't apply within the given context. For example:
>Did anyone ever find butter in nature?
It should be clear to any charitable observer of the image that whatever understanding the creator of said image had of the word "natural" does not hinge on whether it is found in nature or not. And yet, for some reason, he felt the need to condescendingly point out that butter isn't found in nature, as if it weren't obvious.

The sneeding anon is actually right. No real argument was presented, so no refutation is needed. There's no reason to get this anal about the word "natural" when its use colloquially lacks precision.

[Anonymous No.15742145]

>>15741407
>I'm adhering to the actual definition of the word.
What's the "actual definition of the word" as it relates to food, parasite?

[Anonymous No.15743216]

>>15732943
Eating chitin provokes a reaction from the human immune system, eating animal protein does not.

[Anonymous No.15743225]

>>15732943
>strawmanning this hard
Bugs and tofu are nutritionally void.
Multivitamins are unnatural and are a crutch for people with nutritionally void diets.

[Anonymous No.15743342]

>>15732866
>How true is picrel infographic in scientific terms?
"Natural" is generally just bullshit marketting term made to sell you more expensive crap.
The part that's legit is that almost any processing that helps the food's shelf-life (ie, it makes it poisonous to the bad bugs) isn't healthy for you, it's just profitable for the maker. Used to be, these processes were good, because it beat out eating rancid bacon. Trans fats and preservatives like Propyl paraben generally make processed food unhealthy.

The processing done to basedbeans to turn it into tofu isn't bad. That's bullshit.

There's really nothing bad about multi-vitamins. They're just not as good as people pretend. If you're missing something in your diet, like you eat just kraft mac'n'cheese, then they really are as good as they're sold. Most people in developed nations get plenty of this stuff. Getting more doesn't help.


"Nutrient" just means calories. In that sense, yeah, most of these on the left have more calories than on the right. That part is legit. Then there's vitamins.

Crickets as proteins have a big problem: Poop. Bugs eat and poop just like everything else. When they harvest crickets, they just shake out everything in there and grind it up. That's why it tastes like shit. They could do better at that... but not better and cheaper.


Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

[Anonymous No.15744652]

>>15743342
>oy vey shut up and eat your goyslop

[Anonymous No.15745118]

>>15733297
>gulps beer, which contains even more estrogen
>>15743225
>Bugs and tofu are nutritionally void
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15745125]

Why are leftists so obsessed with defending bug-eating and other forms of humiliation by the capitalist class? I thought leftists were against the economic elite?

[Anonymous No.15745132]

>>15732866
Who was funding the research? Were the rockefellers involved?

[Anonymous No.15745140]

>>15743342
>Eat food, not too much,
yes
>mostly plants.
lol
calories from carbohydrates should make up less than 10-20% of your daily intake. Otherwise they cause injury to the body.

[Anonymous No.15745142]

>>15745132
This is now a Rockefeller thread. How old were you when you found out caricaturesque conspiracy loonies were right?

[Anonymous No.15745155]

>>15745142
Have you heard about the Flexner report?
When actual evidence based treatment was taken over by the pill pushers and snake oil sellers because they could make enough cash buy it off and just labelled everyone else as quacks?

[Anonymous No.15745160]

What would be wrong with using bugs if you extract it out and are left with just the pure protein.

[Anonymous No.15745180]

>>15745160
that it's fucking chitin?

[Anonymous No.15745191]

>>15745155
I remember hearing something about it in a documentary long ago. The Carnegie Foundation similarly went after education, especially the teaching of history. But my inner factchecker is forced to label your post fake because Carnegie is no Rockefeller. :^(

[Anonymous No.15745200]

>>15745180
So what?

[Anonymous No.15745205]

>>15745180
Chitin is not a protein, retard.

[Anonymous No.15745209]

>>15745125
The root of leftism is an inferiority complex. Of course bug apologists would be leftists.

[Anonymous No.15745213]

>>15745200
>So what?
So you and your family should be force-fed nothing but pure cockroach-derived chitin for the rest of... however long you survive on it.

[Anonymous No.15745222]

>>15745213
Explain the difference between bug chitin, clam chitin and mushroom chitin and why only one of them is bad.

[Anonymous No.15745224]

>>15745191
Yeah, john taylor gatto talked a lot about that.
you can find his lectures on youtube, about how they wanted to create an education system to create compliant worker drones

[Anonymous No.15745229]

>>15745191
Rockefeller's father was literal a snake oil salesman.

[Anonymous No.15745236]

>>15745213
Again, if you take the instructions from >>15745160, there's no chitin left.

[Anonymous No.15745242]

>>15745222
All of them are excellent, but you and your family should be force-fed only pure cockroach chitin.

[Anonymous No.15745245]

>>15745229
>mfw it's real

[Anonymous No.15745246]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5680136/

[Anonymous No.15745248]

>>15745246
Ummmmmmmm sweaty? Are you saying there's a conspiracy to kill us all using mushrooms? No? Then you should accept having bug powder in all of your food.

[Anonymous No.15745264]

>>15745248
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.15745267]

>>15745264
I know, quadrivaxxers like you are basically impossible to parody .

[Anonymous No.15745278]

>>15736043
>cane sugar
Do you realize what lactose is? Sugar. The vitamins and minerals are just there because Americans are retarded and people would get vitamin deficiencies with all the goyslop and shit people eat. Salt is salt. There's literally nothing wrong with Gellan gum either, it's basically like a yeast extract.

[Anonymous No.15745280]

>>15745267
>molecule in bugs bag
>exact same molecule, chemically indistinguishable in mushrooms good
How? Why?

[Anonymous No.15745281]

>>15745280
You're mentally ill and hallucinating. Have fun arguing against the voices.

[Anonymous No.15745282]

Today I learnt that sugar actively suppress the innate immune.
I lost the actual paper but it was from the 70s

subjects were instructed to fast for 12 hours
after the fast a blood sample was taken then they were each given 100g of either glucose, fructose, sucrose,, honey, starch (others I don't remember)
more blood samples were taken at thirty minutes, 1hr, 2hr, 3rs, and 5hr.
samples were mixed with bacteria then allowed to culture and observe how much bacteria grew.
blood sugar content correlated with higher bacterial growth

[Anonymous No.15745284]

>>15745278
lactose is glucose and galactose its pathway is different to other sugars

[Anonymous No.15745299]

>>15742145
Natural means natural, nothing more or less, dishonest propagandist.

[Anonymous No.15745301]

>>15745282
wooow found it.
Role of sugars in human neutrophilic phagocytosis
1973
it's on sci-hub.
one of the subjects fasted for 60 hours and they found improved immune response.

so apart from not eating sugar if we get sick does this mean should just not eat until we're better?

[Anonymous No.15745308]

>>15745284
But it's still sugar?

[Anonymous No.15745310]

>>15745308
Yes and no.
Like saying cellulose and starch are made of the same thing.

[Anonymous No.15745333]

Is this funny?
https://drronehrlich.com/dr-gary-fettke-controlling-insulin-key/
Dr. Gary Fettke: As a vegetarian, I just need to supplement my food with a few other things, so I’m kind of carno-ovo-lacto-pesco-pollo vegetarian.

Dr. Ron Ehrlich: Yeah, let’s just go through those one at a time kind of.

Dr. Gary Fettke: So, I can’t actually survive from a health aspect just as a pure vegetarian, so I need to supplement with carna, I need to supplement with meat. I’m an ovo, so I need to supplement with eggs, I need to supplement lacto, so I need my dairy. I also am a pesco vegetarian, so I need to supplement with fish and I’m a pollo vegetarian, so all of a sudden I find that I gain great supplementation with chicken.

[Anonymous No.15745386]

>>15745118
Appeal to ridicule fallacy. Try again.

[Anonymous No.15745687]

>>15745180
What's wrong with chitin? Are you confusing this with chinin?
>>15745386
No, I'm just ridiculing you for being retarded.
https://vegfaqs.com/is-tofu-a-complete-protein/
Also
> Firm tofu prepared with calcium sulfate is an excellent source of calcium, providing 861mg or 66% of the daily value (DV). Firm tofu is also an excellent source of manganese (providing 1.5mg or 65% DV) and selenium (providing 21.9mcg or almost 40% DV). It is also an excellent source of copper.
>Firm tofu is a good source of iron, phosphorus, zinc, and magnesium.
So, I was ridiculing you because you're either a total NPC or paid by the meat industry.

[Anonymous No.15745700]

>>15745333
No.
>>15745155
>The Flexner report has been criticized for introducing policies that encouraged systemic racism.[2][3][4]
Oh no. it does nothing of the sort, it just led to the closing of a lot of fraudulent schools that were predominantly used by minorities because they had lower requirements and easier passing conditions.

[Anonymous No.15745749]

>>15745687
Non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy.

[Anonymous No.15745803]

>>15745749
NPC regurgitating memes because he's been caught. lol

[Anonymous No.15745906]

>>15745803
Whatever you say to cope with your instinctual knowledge that you shouldn't be eating solid estrogen or bugs.

[Anonymous No.15745941]

>>15745906
>solid estrogen
I'm not a plant.
Do you drink beer?

[Anonymous No.15745945]

>>15745941
The amount of beer normal people drink is in a week maybe 1% of the amount of soi subhumans like you chug down on in a day. It's the same fallacy with your kind over and over. You need to learn some new tricks.

[Anonymous No.15745948]

>>15732866
>How true is picrel infographic in scientific terms?
10% true.

[Anonymous No.15745949]

>>15745948
Name 3 thing in there that aren't true.

[Anonymous No.15745982]

>>15745949
>margarine being nutritionally void
717 kcal per 100g is anything but void
Ohh, you mean anything but calories?
>multivitamin being nutritionally void
>butter being natural
>drinking other species' milk being natural
>bugs being unnatural
literally how much more natural than an unmodified animal can it get? Bugs are more natural than every single of those vegetables that would have looked completely different 2000 years ago

[Anonymous No.15746023]

>>15745982
You have failed to disprove anything from that pic. Try again, retard. :^)

[Anonymous No.15746024]

>>15738403
anon that is a cricket

[Anonymous No.15746027]

>>15732866
But Japan has consumed tofu and soi for centuries and they're based

[Anonymous No.15746028]

>>15746027
Japan has consumed goyslop factory tofu and onions "milk" for centuries? What did mentally ill patient #2891 mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15746057]

>>15745125
I defend corporations because I'm a capitalist and don't want to be associated with a soviet marxist, nothing more, nothing less

[Anonymous No.15746060]

>>15746057
Why are you lying when "leftist" is stamped on your forehead?

[Anonymous No.15746066]

>>15746060
Because I am part of, and directly contribute to the capitalist system while supporting it. Therefore I'm a capitalist

[Anonymous No.15746070]

>>15732866
Why is fruit on the left and candy on the right, when the former is vegan and the latter usually contains gelatin? They should be swapped around.

[Anonymous No.15746072]

>>15746066
>Because I am part of, and directly contribute to the capitalist system while supporting it.
That's what I said. Leftism is corporate socialism.

[Anonymous No.15746071]

>>15746028
Do they put in the "xenoestrogens" in factories now? I thought it was a property of soi.

[Anonymous No.15746075]

>>15746071
Did I say they do? I don't see that anywhere in my post. I guess you are having yet another psychotic episode.

[Anonymous No.15746088]

>>15746075
No, the other schizos who think that tofu is bad did. I thought you all were the same. So, why do *you* hate tofu it it's a different reason than those fine schizos?
>>15733297
>>15736084
>>15738567
>>15738326
>>15740730
>>15741069
>>15741279

[Anonymous No.15746094]

>>15746088
>the other schizos who think that tofu is bad did
They didn't say that, either. They just said you're consuming xenoestrogens, which you are, and that it's bad, which it is.

[Anonymous No.15746113]

>>15736214
>Everyone with two brain cells to rub together has long figured out that the "skeptic" movement was a malicious psyop engineered to produce golems who act like amateur lawyers for anything and anyone willing to harm them for an extra buck.
Religitard cope

[Anonymous No.15746115]

>>15746113
>speging out against imaginary religious boogeymen
You are irrecoverably mentally ill. Your nonsensical reply literally demosntrates my point.

[Anonymous No.15746129]

>>15745140
>calories from carbohydrates should make up less than 10-20% of your daily intake. Otherwise they cause injury to the body.
Absolutely false

[Anonymous No.15746134]

>>15745749
It was neither a non sequitur nor an ad hom lmfao you're pathetic

[Anonymous No.15746135]

>>15745945
Then explain your mantits. The phyto(!)estrogens in soi aren't active in you unless you're a plant. In extremely small numbers, they block your estrogen receptors, i.e., make you more manly.
>In fact, it's the most potent phytoestrogen found to date, fifty times more potent than the genistein in onions, “provid[ing] an obvious explanation for the menstrual disturbances in female hop workers in the past.”
>Indeed, up to a 90 percent conversion was achieved. Up to then, “the concentration of 8-PN in beer was considered too low to affect human health. However, these results show that the activity of the intestinal microbial community could more than 10-fold increase the exposure concentration.” This can explain why you can detect 8-PN in the urine of beer-drinkers for days: Their gut bacteria keep churning it out.

[Anonymous No.15746140]

>>15746135
>The phyto(!)estrogens in soi aren't active in you
Why are you lying? In some sense, that is a rhetorical question. Lying is your very nature. But what compels you to do so when everyone knows you're lying? What's the endgame?

[Anonymous No.15746148]

>>15746094
So, the Japanese became based on xenoestrogens? YWNBJ

[Anonymous No.15746191]

>>15746140
>Neither isoflavones nor onions have been shown to affect male reproductive hormones in healthy individuals.
https://doi.org/10.1080%2F10408398.2021.1895054
https://doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.reprotox.2020.12.019
Explain your mantits.

[Anonymous No.15746278]

>>15746191
They're called pecs and you get them from leaving your basement and hitting the gym, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15746279]

>>15746191
>cherrypicked dumpster studies
No one cares.

[Anonymous No.15746458]

Not bothering to read back to where it started but the traditional way to consume soibeans involved a lot of processing to negate the nasty toxic parts. americans later got ahold of it linked to the 7th day adventist church processed it the american way marketed it as a health food and back imported it to asia using this new "more efficient" american processing system

[Anonymous No.15746485]

>>15746458
They are eaten only boiled or steamed.

[Anonymous No.15746553]

>>15746279
Show Proof of what you claim then.
>>15746278
Pecs ain't wobbling like your floppy moobs.

[Anonymous No.15747019]

>>15746485
>They are eaten only
by faggots

[Anonymous No.15747034]

>>15746553
>Show Proof of what you claim then.
I can cherrypick a bunch of studies that confim estrogenic effects. You will then try to turn my argument back against me. This will fall flat on its face because there is no symmetry. It would be more rational to stay away from foods that may (or may not) fuck with your hormonal balance if you have better choices.

[Anonymous No.15747156]

>>15747034
Then you can't eat anything. Everything has an effect. And no, the difference is that what I posted weren't cherry-picked studies but meta analyses. The only (super weak) effect they've found was that it may increase your sperm count.
Apart from that, i'm not a fucking plant and I have no idea why you assume it would have any effect on you.

[Anonymous No.15747162]

>>15747156
>Then you can't eat anything. Everything has an effect.
I can eat whatever I want and I don't want to eat stuff that has estrogen analogues in it, especially knowing that multiple studies show that they do have estrogenic effect. You are losing your mind trying to come up with "argument" to overrule this perfectly rational judgment and you fail.

[Anonymous No.15747305]

>>15747162
>I don't want to eat stuff that has estrogen analogues in it
So you don't eat any meat or drink beer? I'd rather grow tits than live such a life but you do you.
>You are losing your mind trying to come up with "argument" to overrule this perfectly rational judgment and you fail.
Yeah, the vegan straight edge life is perfectly rational, but it still sucks. I'd rather be a flawed human than a perfect... whatever you are.

[Anonymous No.15747348]

>>15747305
I don't know what estrogen-drenched garbage they eat in your zogged nation and I certainly don't know what it has to do with me.

[Anonymous No.15747362]

>>15747305
>>15747348
no sense wasting time talking to scum like that. violence is the only answer at this point

[Anonymous No.15747370]

>>15747362
>steer
Now do female cows.

[Anonymous No.15747375]

>>15746278
My gym is in my basement

[Anonymous No.15747376]

>>15747362
Also, note how you couldn't refute the claim that beer contains xenoestrogens. Cope harder. :^)

[Anonymous No.15747378]

>>15747370
>Now do female cows.
You do female cows, zoophile freak. I'll just keep eating steer beef.

[Anonymous No.15747381]

>>15747376
I don't care. I don't drink beer. I'm also fairly certain, judging by your degenerate behavior, that it contrains several orders of magnitude less estrogen than your diet even ignoring the fact that functional people don't drink beer that often or that much.

[Anonymous No.15747400]

>>15747370
lol. you eat nothing but slop so i don't expect you to know how food works, but they keep the cows for milk and slaughter them only when they're old. that meat ends up in factory slop (i.e. what YOU eat) or shit-quality ground beef. it's not what you buy when you buy quality beef

[Anonymous No.15747743]

>>15747362
>estrogenic activity
Undefined, also which phyto(!)estrogen?
>old studies
Newer ones, again, found no effect on the human body except for blocking a miniscule amount of estrogen receptors, hence, tipping your hormonal mix ever so slightly towards testosterone and maybe maybe increasing your sperm count a bit.
Yeah, no point in talking to people like (you), since you'll never update your dumb opinions with new evidence.

[Anonymous No.15747744]

>>15745941
>Do you drink beer?
No.

[Anonymous No.15747747]

>>15746191
I don't have any. Explain yours, fatty.

[Anonymous No.15748004]

>>15747743
See >>15747162. No matter how many times you repeat your preprogrammed talking points that won't make it rational to eat estrogen-drenched goyslop.

[Anonymous No.15748027]

>>15746148
>the Japanese became based on xenoestrogens?
The Japanese are demonstrably low-test.

[Anonymous No.15748028]

>>15747743
>you'll never update your dumb opinions with new evidence.
there's a bunch of studies from 2022 and 2023 that support him. goyslop shills always lie

[Anonymous No.15748058]

>>15732866
I think your point is somewhat valid, there is a push towards ultra-processed alternatives on the basis of health, but I wonder how much of that particular push is from industry piggy-backing off results based on healthy traditional foods, and producing junk that conforms to it.

There are traditional alternatives to a lot of the animal products you mentioned.

[Anonymous No.15748063]

>>15747400
Look up what a terminal cross is.

[Anonymous No.15748067]

>>15748063
your absolute desperation borders on mental illness. what does terminal crossbreeding have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.15748075]

>>15748067
I'm not the former person you replied to. I wanted to clarify a misconception you had about the structure of the beef industry.
The beef industry is made up primarily of terminal crosses using specialist beef cattle breeds. whether that is coming out of beef suckler herds or the dairy industry. Most females produced this way are destined for the abbatoir alongside the males. Dairy herds primarily retain a relatively small number of purebred replacements approx 20% per year. due to sexed semen usage under 20% of male purebred dairy animals are also born, some of those will enter the eef system, others may be shot. But ~60% will be terminal crossed cales of either sex

[Anonymous No.15748079]

>>15748075
Are Americans even human?

[Anonymous No.15748081]

>>15748079
I don't know, I think they were in the past but an increasing number of them seem to be some sort of ape hybrid.

[Anonymous No.15748084]

>>15748081
You go eat your estrogen-drenched goyslop. I'll stick to my estrogen-free steak.

[Anonymous No.15748087]

>>15748084
As I clarified already I'm not the one describing estogenic content in meat I just wanted to point out that you don't understand how the beef industry is structured.
But it seems low Iq is terminal and this was pointless

[Anonymous No.15748088]

>>15748004
Anin, I posted current sources. You are rambling about old stuff from the end of the nineties, the sources of which you haven't even posted, where only a single source of phytoestrogen was tested, "activity" was not defined, and studies were conducted in an inconsistent manner.
You are clearly an industry shill.

[Anonymous No.15748091]

>>15748027
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050097
>Sweden: 4.54 ng/ml
>Japan: 5.2 ng/ml
Why are you lying?

>>15748028
Post 'em.
>Beans are goyslop
lmao

[Anonymous No.15748093]

>>15748087
>you don't understand how the beef industry is structured.
>THE beef industry
Why are you lying about not being American?

[Anonymous No.15748094]

>>15748088
>>15748091
>this is the level of the average goyslop shill
i wonder if this kind of behavior is related to the food they eat. i don't think anyone is actually paying them to do this. lol

[Anonymous No.15748101]

>>15748084
https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)40459-6/fulltext
>We found that USA beef contained much higher levels of estrogen, particularly E2, than Japanese beef (Figure 1). The median concentrations (pg/g) of E2 and E1 in USA beef fat (14.0, 7.7) were 140 times and 11 times, respectively, higher than those in Japanese beef fat
>I'm not eating goyslop
Hahaha

[Anonymous No.15748103]

>>15748093
Anon, I'm sorry, you're retarded. There's nothing we can do.

[Anonymous No.15748106]

>>15748094
>Still not posting anything of value
>I-i-i'm not a shil y-you are!!!11!
How much do they pay you? Assuming you're paid at all.

[Anonymous No.15748115]

>>15748103
I'm sorry that you will never have access to real food. It's really funny to watch Americanized golems try to make some points about goyslop factory farming and project it onto everything else every time meat is mentioned. Have you ever considered that maybe the problem is you and your system?

[Anonymous No.15748119]

>>15748101
>We found that USA beef contained much higher levels of estrogen
LOL. It's like clockwork. See >>15748115

[Anonymous No.15748129]

>>15748093
What point are you trying to make about the cattle? I don't care about anything else you have to say I just want to clear this up because the autist in me demands it.

[Anonymous No.15748136]

>>15748129
The females simply aren't bred for meat. They don't make for good meat. Terminal crossbred females end up in processed American goyslop. In any case, terminal crossbreeding is mostly found in large-scale factory farming. Even your buddy here has just given you a demonstration that it really is an Americanized golem problem that you're projecting onto the rest of the world: >>15748101

[Anonymous No.15748141]

>>15748136
You are actually completely wrong and have a very misguided sense of livestock farming.
It's quite impressive.

[Anonymous No.15748148]

>>15748141
You have no argument except screeching "you rong!!!". I think the issue here is that you're too stupid to understand that cattle is sexually dimorphic and breeding exploits this to produce steers with good meat and cows with good milk yield. Terminal crossbreeding has no bearing on it. The resulting females are nothing like the males.

[Anonymous No.15748154]

>>15748148
I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue, it's funny to watch you reaching for things you think you understand and completely miss the very basics of it.

Ok let's try a single breed closed system not using any crossbreeding.
please describe how it functions

[Anonymous No.15748157]

>>15748119
Your reply is nonsense. You claimed your steak would be estrogen-free. It's not. It's even worse than non-US beef. Is
>Hahahaha you NPC/shill/whatever
all you can muster up as a response to having your proven incorrect world view challenged?

[Anonymous No.15748162]

>>15748148
>You have no argument except screeching "you rong!!!".
That's what you've been doing the whole time tho. No substance

[Anonymous No.15748165]

>>15748154
>I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue
That's because you're legitimately a fucking moron. I don't know how to make it any more simple for you:
1. They intentionally breed cattle so that the steers have good meat and the cows have good milk yield
2. Crossbreeding still gives you cattle with those properties
3. Terminal crossbreeding still gives you cattle with those properties
4. Terminally crossbred females don't make for good meat compared to the males
5. Lesser quality meat goes into processed goyslop and cheap ground beef, not premium cuts
It's that simple. You just won't acknowledge it because you have an insane obsession with being treated like inferior cattle by your masters.

[Anonymous No.15748167]

>>15748157
>You claimed your steak would be estrogen-free
It is.

> It's even worse than non-US beef
That's your problem, American golem. Not mine.

[Anonymous No.15748170]

>>15748165
>4. Terminally crossbred females don't make for good meat compared to the males
>5. Lesser quality meat goes into processed goyslop and cheap ground beef, not premium cuts
You are an actual retard who doesn't know what they're talking about. lol.

[Anonymous No.15748171]

>>15748170
I accept your concession but please curb your effeminate displays of emotions. Alternatively, you can explain why you think terminal crossbreeding produces cows with steer-quality meat.

[Anonymous No.15748176]

>>15748157
look at your own study, retard. japanese beef has estrogen content on the order of 10 picgrams per gram. tofu contains xenoestrogen on the order of 100 micrograms per gram. your study also confirms what everybody here knows: the US food industry is monstrous and cannot be extrapolated to the rest of the world

[Anonymous No.15748178]

>>15748167
Anon, no meat is estrogen-free, because every mammal has estrogen in their bodies. The estrogen in meat isn't even plant estrogen, but actually mammal estrogen. You are terminally scared of plant estrogen that doesn't even affect you but happily gulp mammalian estrogen that's much more similar to your own. You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.15748184]

>>15748176
See >>15748178, you are comparing plant estrogen to actual mammalian estrogen.

[Anonymous No.15748185]

>>15748171
You have no idea what you're talking about and it's really funny to me.
You still haven't explained a single breed system and I'm waiting to hear what you have to say about it.

[Anonymous No.15748189]

They fatten sheep on red clover because the plant phyto-estrogens it contains accelerate growth rates.

[Anonymous No.15748191]

>>15748185
Notice how you can't explain why terminal crossbreeding should produce cows with steer-quality meat. I accept your concession. This is your 6th post in a row with zero content beyond "haha y-y-you're wrong".

[Anonymous No.15748194]

>>15748178
>>15748185
You can screech all you want but it still stands that estogen-drenched meat is an American phenomenon, and that your soi products have many orders of magnitude more estrogen mimickers than beef while having much lower nutrition value.

[Anonymous No.15748201]

>>15748191
How does a single breed beef herd function?
How does a single breed traditional mixed purpose (milk, meat, and draft) herd function?

[Anonymous No.15748202]

>>15748185
>>15748191
You are arguing over nothing, the thing that makes goyslop goyslop is the added iron, and lack of heavy metals. The only thing it has to do with breeding is crops being intentionally bred to lack those metals. (I don't think they do it with animals, they just don't sell the organs)

[Anonymous No.15748206]

>>15748194
Anon, the only one screeching here is you. All mammals produce estrogen, even males. You are eating estrogen similar to yours and are in complete denial about it, while scared of plant protein. Other anon is right, it's comical.

[Anonymous No.15748207]

>>15748201
Traditional mixed purpose herds are bred to have steers with good meat and cows with high milk yield. This is really funny, it's like you can't grasp the concept of a sexually dimorphic species.

[Anonymous No.15748210]

>>15748206
>mammals produce estrogen
And? You're legit mentally ill. Until you can show that ~10 pcg/g of estrogen from beef is as disruptive as ~150+ pcg/g from tofu, you have no leg to stand on.

[Anonymous No.15748211]

>>15748210
Sorry, not 150+pcg, but fucking micrograms. Keep in mind that 1 mcg = 1000000 pcg.

[Anonymous No.15748212]

>>15748207
I'm sorry you are wrong, that's not how it works, this is getting tiresome.
Please explain a single breed beef suckler system.
What is its structure? Can you describe the yearly events of such a system? What comes out of it?

[Anonymous No.15748217]

>>15748212
>y-y-you're wrong
Notice how you keep shitting out dozen of posts with zero content? What a pathetic way to concede. Anyway, keep posting. It only goes to demosntrate that eating goyslop WILL produce a terminally crossbred subhuman orc population.

[Anonymous No.15748219]

>>15748211
>as disruptive as ~150+ pcg/g from tofu
Did you ever provide a source of how disruptive the 150picograms per gram are? Oral doses for trannies are like 800 mg: https://depts.washington.edu/tgnbhealthprogram/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/TransLine-HRT-Guidelines-FINAL.pdf
Equating the two molecules, you'd need several metric tons per day to go tranny mode.

[Anonymous No.15748220]

>>15748217
I want you to explain how a single breed system works so that I can deconstruct it and explain your misconceptions, only after that can we hope for meaningful discussion.
It's quite a simple thing to ask, most could probably derive it from first principles if they understood them.

[Anonymous No.15748222]

>>15748219
>Oral doses for trannies are like 800 mg
This is how golems actually reason.

[Anonymous No.15748224]

>>15748219
Edit: missed three orders of magnitude. You'd need to eat kilotons of tofu. Yeah, I'm not worried about homeopathic doses of estrogens.

[Anonymous No.15748227]

>>15748220
I want you to explain why you think terminal crossbreeding produces cows with steer-quality meat. Note that I can force you to shit out an infinite number of "ur rong" posts because your shilljob requires you to respond on one hand, and avoid this question on the other.

[Anonymous No.15748231]

>>15748227
>steer-quality meat
This is nonsense, you keep repeating it as if it means anything, but it is nonsense with no basis in reality and indicates the depths of the disconnect between what so aggressively think you know and the actual reality.

Just describe how you think a beef herd works, I won't judge you for it if you actually put thought into your reply.

[Anonymous No.15748250]

>>15748231
>This is nonsense
Proof?

[Anonymous No.15748252]

Another ruined thread...

[Anonymous No.15748254]

>>15748252
These threads are inherently worthless. There are 3 kinds of people:
1. Golems who never give a second thought to what they put in their mouthes (no valid input)
2. Golems who have a deep emotional investment in defending the goyslop system (no valid input)
3. Non-golems (already among themselves that processed goyslop should be minimized)

[Anonymous No.15748271]

>>15748250
I gave you a chance to respond yet you refuse to even explain how you think something as simple as a beef herd works.

[Anonymous No.15748274]

>>15748271
>you refuse to engage in my infinite regression tactic
>how can i factcheck you if you don't play my game?!?!!?
Seethe harder. It's a simple fact that in most parts of the world, quality beef comes from steers. This is not up for any kind of discussion.

[Anonymous No.15748280]

>>15748274
You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.15748282]

>>15748280
You lost. Literally all you have is "no ur rong". Acknowledge that your shilljob failed and move on.

[Anonymous No.15748286]

>>15748274
>quality beef comes from steers. This is not up for any kind of discussion.
Now, please come back to reality where people don't just eat quality beef but whatever cow or heifer they put in a burger.

[Anonymous No.15748287]

>>15748210
>I only eat estrogen-free meat
>Yeah it contains estrogen but it's less than phytoestrogen in le evil soii
Yeah, it's totally not you who's retarded.

[Anonymous No.15748288]

>>15748282
The tastiest beef literally comes from old cows. You haven't got a damned clue what you are talking about, you just keep asserting one thing then another and calling others goyslop consumers or mutts or golems. Yet haven't got a clue what it even means to eat well, you just seem to have a misguided superiority complex.

[Anonymous No.15748289]

>>15748222
I take that as an "I do not have a source I'm just trolling promised guys I'm not really retarded".

[Anonymous No.15748292]

>>15748288
>The tastiest beef literally comes from old cows
I'm sorry about your terminal americanism. Enjoy your tasty old meat cow. lol

[Anonymous No.15748295]

>>15748289
I don't care what your estrogen-drenched brain makes of reality. It's some next-level desperation to take troon HRT as your yardstick, but I guess that's about the only comparison favorable to your pure goyslop diet.

[Anonymous No.15748296]

Why are there more than two people falling for this obvious bait?

[Anonymous No.15748301]

>>15748292
americans don't eat old cow prepared right, theirs just gets sent to the feedlot and pushed full of cheap grain to send for manufacturing beef.

Fuck it american pushed the whole tender meat concept that you suck dick for.

[Anonymous No.15748303]

>>15748301
>i like my goyslop hard and rubbery

[Anonymous No.15748307]

>>15748303
>Only eats grain fed obese muscle meat
>calls others goyslop consumer

[Anonymous No.15748308]

>>15748295
Sorry bro, I don't speak tard.

[Anonymous No.15748309]

>>15748308
You do speak retard, exclusively.

[Anonymous No.15748416]

>>15748309
Your attempts at sick burns are really lame, cringe, and foreseeable. Practice harder. Maybe you can get that one thing in your life right with sufficient effort.

[Anonymous No.15748418]

>>15748416
Your butthurt is manifest so I guess my attempts weren't so bad. Bark some more for me, nigger.

[Anonymous No.15748529]

>>15748418
Took less than two minutes to reply. Holy seethe.

[Anonymous No.15748542]

>>15748529
You're a dumb animal. You will demonstrate this with your inability to stop giving me (You)'s.

[Anonymous No.15748559]

>>15743225
yeah but bugs are made by nature yet they are still nutritionally void, and multivtamins are "unnatural" yet they contain many nutrients

[Anonymous No.15748564]

>>15748559
>bugs are made by nature yet they are still nutritionally void
So?

>multivtamins are "unnatural" yet they contain many nutrients
Doesn't mean eating them is productive.

[Anonymous No.15748566]

>>15748564
im just breaking down your appeal to nature argument, that everything unnatural is bad and everything natural is good

[Anonymous No.15748569]

>>15748566
What appeal to nature argument, and how does that break it down? Sand is natural. Sand also isn't nutritious. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.15748571]

>>15748569
the pic in the OP states
>Natural & Nutrient Rich
>Unnatural & Nutritionally void
it isn't stated directly, but the fact that those words are put together will for 99% of people imply that there's supposed to be a correlation between them
nutrition is good, no nutrition is bad, hence the appeal to nature argument

[Anonymous No.15748572]

>>15748571
>there's supposed to be a correlation between them
There is a correlation between them. You haven't demosntrated otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15748585]

>Bugs are nutritionally void
Fucking lol
>Edible insects may have superior health benefits due to their high levels of vitamin B12, iron, zinc, fiber, essential amino acids, omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids, and antioxidants.

[Anonymous No.15748586]

>>15748585
>goyslop is good for you, study finds
No one cares.

[Anonymous No.15748587]

>>15748572
now im out of this stupid bait thread

[Anonymous No.15748590]

>>15748587
Still waiting for you to disprove the correlation, or even explain why it's an "appeal to nature argument". You can't and you seethe.

[Anonymous No.15748595]

Not even good bait

[Anonymous No.15748597]

>that one mentally ill retard coming back to the thread every hour to complain about "bait" and get no replies

[Anonymous No.15748607]

Man not even /sci/ is safe from alternative health grifting retards

[Anonymous No.15748612]

>>15748607
See >>15736411. You're a brainwashed dunce.

[Anonymous No.15748613]

>>15733297
God, you people are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15748616]

>all these goysloppers losing their minds with absolute rage

[Anonymous No.15748617]

>>15748612
I'm not the one you were frothing at the mouth with, schizo-kun.

[Anonymous No.15748625]

>>15748617
You sure are fucking stupid. Keep frothing at the mouth about imaginary "alternative health" boogeymen.

[Anonymous No.15748626]

>>15732866
>How true is picrel infographic in scientific terms?
you haven't stated anything specific in your child's drawing
>Has "progress" in nutritional science only lead to worse, lower quality food? If so why? Who is responsible?
the most loaded question I've read in my entire life, it's clear you barely got through school

[Anonymous No.15748627]

>>15748626
Literally what is wrong with his question? Why are you seething? Is it because the answers are "yes" and "jews"?

[Anonymous No.15748647]

>>15748625
You're the one seething, though, lol.

[Anonymous No.15748652]

>>15748647
You sure are seething lmao. Stay mad.

[Anonymous No.15748661]

I refuse to believe there are people this retarded. Must be bait.

[Anonymous No.15748890]

>>15736235
>comes into a board of people he clearly hates just to argue with them
>obviously foaming at the mouth from the 1st reply on
>other people are mentally unwell, but not him

[Anonymous No.15749017]

>>15748626
>has out of control emotional trigger reaction
>calls everyone else childish
p r o j e c t i o n

[Anonymous No.15749561]

>>15733274
Thats barely 100 grams of protein.

[Anonymous No.15749564]

>>15736182
Also an elephant in the room is how butter is pretty much nutritionally with trace amounts of vitamins.