Why did dental science stall completely?

[Anonymous No.15723484]

>best way to fix cavities in 1960s
>composite
>best way to fix cavities in 2020s
>composite

[Anonymous No.15723507]

>>15723484
Dental science has not really stalled, but a lot of the major problems have already been solved to the best of our current technological ability. Until we master stem cells to the point where we can grow body parts like teeth and enamel the best thing to do to things like cavities is use composite fillings.

[Anonymous No.15723524]

>>15723507
how do you not get cavities in the first place? why isn't there some type of gum/drink whatever that fully protects your teeth from cavities? or maybe when you see some black shit forming maybe get some shit in there to perfectly clean it

[Anonymous No.15723552]

>>15723524
Unironically, fluoride does that. But the schizos will soon enter ITT.

[Anonymous No.15723554]

>>15723552
Your wife's son should be placed on a diet of fluoride tablets and soi.

[Anonymous No.15723561]

>>15723554
That was quick

[Anonymous No.15723563]

>>15723524
Clean teeth with fluoride toothpaste, and live in a place with fluoridated water. It's really not hard. And yes as soon as you see any grey or black bits in your teeth go to a dentist and cap the tooth

[Anonymous No.15723577]

>>15723524
>how do you not get cavities in the first place?
Literally just stop eating goyslop and ignore fluoride-stare golems with rotting teeth.

[Anonymous No.15723702]

>>15723484
eat a proper diet and you will literally never have any problems with your teeth. won't even need to brush

[Anonymous No.15723711]

>Why did dental science stall completely?
Money.
Eat more K2 MK4 vitamine.

[Anonymous No.15723735]

>>15723702
Does not eating count as a good diet?

[Anonymous No.15723783]

>>15723524
>how do you not get cavities in the first place?
By brushing your teeth at least once a day and not drinking 5 gallons of soda with every meal.

[Anonymous No.15723798]

>>15723507
There's science going on in Europe developing products that will actually repair enamel to a degree. For some reason in North America you only get to choose between the group of 4 out of 5 dentists promoted by the toothpaste company with immutable science, or fine purveyors of patented snake oil.

[Anonymous No.15723818]

>>15723563
>Clean teeth with fluoride toothpaste, and live in a place with fluoridated water. It's really not hard. And yes as soon as you see any grey or black bits in your teeth go to a dentist and cap the tooth
The "black" literally is Flourine doping replacing Calcium atoms though.

It's not "rot". The black Flourine supposedly strengthens your enamel, but imo produces microstructure defects.

[Anonymous No.15723828]

>>15723484
I had protective coverings on my teeth when I was a kid and enjoyed perfect protection for most of life despite never brushing my teeth. At some point in college my dentists refused to give it to me again. Despite having zero cavities I brushed and flossed after every single meal from then onwards on her advice.

Result? Cavities in every single bottom row tooth within three years. My friend in densitstry already confirmed to me that they basically started shilling in conferences that enamel protectors were costing them revenue and for hygenicists to stop doing it.

Btw the mercury fillings really are poisoning you. The ceramic fillings are shit and designed to break. Gold fillings are the best commercial tech they actually have.

There are near perfect ceramic-polymer composite fillings that they will never let you have.

[Anonymous No.15723853]

>>15723818
> The "black" literally is Flourine doping replacing Calcium atoms though
lol. The funny/sad thing is that I’m sure some schizos will believe this.

[Anonymous No.15723856]

>>15723853
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fluorosis

[Anonymous No.15723861]

>>15723856
Are you black/white colourblind?

[Anonymous No.15723894]

>>15723484
Mk-7 with 1200mg of calcium reverses cavities

[Anonymous No.15723909]

>>15723484
"Dental science" doesn't exist they're mostly scammers, like mechanics for ur teeth
>>15723828
>I had protective coverings on my teeth when I was a kid and enjoyed perfect protection for most of life despite never brushing my teeth.
Can I buy these anywhere or at least know what they look like? My teeth got fucked from braces that I never needed but the dentist always shills them and my boomer mom ofc believed every word

[Anonymous No.15723911]

>>15723561
>make jewish statement
>scorn those that rightfully call you out
Fluoride is great at killing germs. It's also great at binding with everything in your body

[Anonymous No.15723925]

>>15723911
>ITT: Brits with Stockholm syndrome defending their poisoned water supply with the worst teeth on the planet.

[Anonymous No.15723934]

>>15723925
What? I'm dutch and have 0 dental problems.
Dentists area a scam, by the way.

[Anonymous No.15723948]

>>15723934
>Water was fluoridated in large parts of the Netherlands from 1960 to 1973, when the High Council of The Netherlands declared fluoridation of drinking water unauthorized

You don't suffer so don't prolong the suffering of others.

[Anonymous No.15724067]

>>15723702
>won't even need to brush
You probably don't need to brush because you don't have caries in your mouth, because you never shared oral fluids with someone.
I am the same.
The tip doesn't apply to normies. They need to brush-equivalent action.
They don't need to brush, though. Chewing some root-like fibrous material or a chewing gum for dozens of minutes per day will be a full replacement for brushing.

[Anonymous No.15724120]

>>15723484
About ten years ago there were some papers on using standard red medical lasers to stimulate tooth regeneration. Silence since then because it would impact the entire industry.

[Anonymous No.15724140]

>>15723948
I don't get what you mean by stating that.
Are you trying to claim that fluoridation of drinking water was actually a good thing?
If not then what the hell does that have to do with anything we were discussing?

Oh and fyi, it took a lot of street violence and sabotage to force our government to forbid muncipalities to put fluoride in drinking water because it was literally causing health issues.
Something you accidentally neglected to add to your statement.

[Anonymous No.15724157]

>>15724140
>Are you trying to claim that fluoridation of drinking water was actually a good thing?
No. It's clearly fucking up British teeth. You are no longer suffering.

>>15724140
>If not then what the hell does that have to do with anything we were discussing?
I see, I mixed up the qoutes and confused you for another poster. My bad.

[Anonymous No.15724448]

>>15723552
>>15723563
Doesn't fluoride have a negative effect on testosterone?

[Anonymous No.15724543]

>>15724448
If it does, you should provide a source.

[Anonymous No.15724565]

>>15724157
>You are no longer suffering.
The Netherlands have fluoridated table salt and toothpaste instead.

[Anonymous No.15724585]

>>15724543
For some reason 4chan sees BMC as spam.
>Liu, Y., Téllez-Rojo, M., Hu, H. et al. Fluoride exposure and pubertal development in children living in Mexico City. Environ Health 18, 26 (2019).

[Anonymous No.15724626]

>>15724448
>>15724585
So it literally prevents hair loss and prolongs your life? Amazing. Also, prevents you from becoming a coomer and allows you to focus on science instead.

[Anonymous No.15724676]

>>15724157
Aaahh, I see. Don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.15725376]

>>15723507

[Anonymous No.15725385]

>>15723828
Yeah I got those too as a kid. Sealant they called it. But they only gave it to me sometimes. I got cavities without.
I really regret getting this mercury filling that one time. I should have told them I didnt want it. But he said its on the back molar so it's okay and its what they use. Actually I think I did saw something like "uh youre putting mercury, wheres the normal white filling?" and that was the answer I got. It looks like shit. I don't know how visible it is to others though.

[Anonymous No.15725425]

>>15723828
>>15723828
You can still get sealant as an adult, I got some maybe a year a year or two ago. I noticed a small black spot and went to the dentist, turned out it was just a stain but the area was cleaned and covered in sealant afterwards. So I have no clue where you are getting this "they don't give sealant anymore because of the dentist industrial complex, but you seem like the type of person that doesn't trust any "experts" and so you don't visit the dentist ever, and so won't know what dentists actually do.

[Anonymous No.15725501]

>>15725425
Dentists in America do not bother with fluoride varnishes and dental sealants for adults because they know they can make more money. They also could suggest stannous fluoride toothpaste which would halve the cavity incidence but they don't. It's a simple profit incentive. If everyone did these three things caries would be a rarity.

[Anonymous No.15725552]

>>15725501
I can't speak for specifically America, but at least where I live you can get them, you may have to ask for them in America though. If I google them all american websites say that you can get sealant as an adult and some even recommend it. You may have to ask for sealant I'm not sure. If they say "we don't give sealant to adults" then it's more likely a product of the brilliant US healthcare system where everything costs an arm and a leg unless it's explicitly covered by insurance and so dentists won't offer such a procedure unless you are at a serious risk of cavities . That's less dentist industrial complex and more the healthcare in freedom land. In the rest of the developed world you can just arrange to have sealant applied when you go for a check up or really any other time you go to your dentist. Realistically dentists would make more money applying sealants to people's teeth than if they didn't. Because sealants degrade over time and have to be replaced and they are also fairly quick and easy to put on, so you would end up with a stream of recurring customers who pay money for about 15 minutes worth of your time as a preventative measure. This is as opposed to the alternative, where people spend years not going to the dentist and then eventually go in for like a root canal when their teeth are completely fucked.

[Anonymous No.15726615]

>>15723484
The best restorative material based on objective criteria is gold
If you understand dental composite and its properties in relation to the natural property of tooth, and how well it serves the primary objective of restoration (form and function), you will know that it is a shitty material in the overall scheme of things
It is only considered superior to other materials according to the current value judgement based on the balance of form, function and the cost of application.
The problem is that because of its material properties, it compromises on all other variables.
Generally, for smaller restorations, the performance based on objective criteria may actually be similar, but the larger the restoration, the greater the risk of the side effects of the composite material affecting the long term health of the tooth.
Obviously, for larger cavities, people prefer a tooth colored material for aesthetic reasons, but that means greater surface area for bonding, greater surface area of composite directly and indirectly affected by the occlusal force (bite force), as well as greater volume of the composite needed to build up the restoration.
Larger volume require layered application to minimize the polymerization shrinkage negatively affecting the restoration properly (mostly at the bonding surface)
Unlike industrial composites that are cured under vacuum chamber, dental composite is applied and cured directly on the tooth (either under rubber dam or not) while exposed to open air.
Even under controlled curing apparatus used for industrial composite manufacturing it is impossible to have no imperfection with a perfect structure at microscopic and molecular level.
What do you think layering and curing while exposed to air would do?
For something like composite blade for jet engines, it has uniform shape and function, and it is manufactured according to a quality assurance process that according to a set criteria.
That's impossible for individual dental restoration.

[Anonymous No.15726619]

>>15724448
>Fluoride-Induced Autophagy via the Regulation of Phosphorylation of Mammalian Targets of Rapamycin in Mice Leydig Cells

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28927274/

>Fluoride induced mitochondrial impairment and PINK1-mediated mitophagy in Leydig cells of mice: In vivo and in vitro studies

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S026974911934864X

>Disruption of Leydig cell steroidogenic function by sodium arsenite and/or sodium fluoride

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36182826/

are you happy now?

[Anonymous No.15726647]

>>15723507
We are not even remotely close to solving any of the major problems, even to the best of our current technological ability, because dental science, just like all science right now, is full of research fraud/manipulation, and collusion with private interests.
None of the fundamental principles and technology behind dental materials and treatments has been discovered or developed through research in dental science.
The derivative use of the novel discoveries and technology has been discovered by research in dental science, but even that kind of research is no longer carried out, because universities now prefer to support research that is low risk, with a guarantee for some return on investment.
I don't know just what the fuck happened to all the research universities, but I suppose they forgot that almost all human experiment results in failure and that it is normal for scientific research to lose money.
It is done in pursuit of value to humanity, not for fucking dollars, but hey, that is modern research universities for you.

[Anonymous No.15726670]

Hydroxyapatite > Fluoride

The Japanese have been knowing this for years.

[Anonymous No.15726686]

>>15724543
I answered the wrong person about sodium fluoride and its detrimental effect on testosterone

[Anonymous No.15726696]

>>15723783
no but I need like a pill or something because I want to still drink copious amounts of soda and eat goyslop everyday
I love science

[Anonymous No.15726700]

>>15723563
>live in a place with fluoridated water
Who drinks unfiltered tap water?

[Anonymous No.15726702]

>>15726700
Normal filtering doesn't remove the fluoride. You would've figured this out if not for the excessive fluoride consumption.

[Anonymous No.15726737]

>>15723798
>products that will actually repair enamel to a degre
name them

[Anonymous No.15726742]

>>15723484
Patents.

There's so many things that would be useful to test further and add to more products. Example: CPP-ACP
Why can't I buy a toothpaste that includes it that doesn't also contain other toxic ingredients??

[Anonymous No.15726746]

>>15726696
To be fair, I also want to eat goyslop every day.

[Anonymous No.15726748]

>>15726737
Your own body?
It has to come from somewhere in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15726757]

>>15726748
t. literal rat

[Anonymous No.15726821]

>>15723798
You can't repair enamel once the crystal layer is stripped off.
It is possible to 'regrow' (re-mineralize) a damaged crystal, but this kind of repair is only possible when the the enamel surface damage is minimal.
Once there is a physical damage - a break in the surface, that damage is permanent.
Check out picrel
You see that white spot along the gum line on the picture's right? Along the gum line is where plaque accumulates on smooth surfaces.
That white spot has physically continuous surface, but it looks white, because the crystals are damaged ('de-minerelized'), but the layers of enamel crystals hasn't been stripped off.
That actually eventually re-mineralizes to some degree naturally (might take at least a couple months) as long as you remove the plaque off of it carefully and regularly with brushing.
The risk is that if you brush too hard with rough brushing, it will scratch/physically damage the surface which can't be repaired by re-mineralization.
Products already exist to help the re-mineralization process, but there is nothing that will remineralize it back to normal 100% to how it used to be.
I won't mention the product, because that shit gets wayyyy too much free publicity in literature when it is nothing but a consumer commercial product, not exactly a therapeutic.
As a matter of fact, nothing will re-mineralize back to 100% original state because of the physical structure of the enamel at the microscopic level.
It is impossible for the necessary ions to flow through the entire damaged layer, and the dentine layer under the enamel also an outward fluid movement towards the surface of the tooth, which provides a pressure gradient against ion movement.
Nothing will ever remineralize it 100% unless by physically swapping out the damaged enamel layer, and any product that claims to do so is a fucking fraud.

[Anonymous No.15726981]

>>15723524
There is. Oral probiotics exist. Kefir exists. Both have different strains of beneficial bacteria that protect your teeth and gums. Streptococcus salivarius, look it up.

[Anonymous No.15727050]

>>15723484
You think with the increase of sugar and constant lowering of mouth ph thanks to soft drinks, they find some way to combat the issues caused by them
But nothing so far
>>15723524
Don’t drink soda
Don’t drink tea or coffee
Don’t eat sugar
Brush your teeth after eating fruits
It’s very easy

[Anonymous No.15727103]

>>15723484
the topic of braces which impede breathing is even worse imo

[Anonymous No.15727127]

https://dental.washington.edu/trials-begin-on-lozenge-that-rebuilds-tooth-enamel/

Will it ever see the light of day or will (they) shut it down?

[Anonymous No.15727139]

>>15727127
Just don’t eat sugar
How hard is that?
They will shut it down, it will make all dentists obsolete

[Anonymous No.15727196]

>>15727127
>or will it be completely forgotten because it doesnt work at all
fixd

>>15727139
>Just don’t eat sugar
no

btfo

[Anonymous No.15727217]

>>15727196
Btfo your tooth kek
I am not your mom

[Anonymous No.15728159]

>>15723507
We will never master stem cells.

[Anonymous No.15728857]

>>15723484 it didn't stall completely, see the hydroxylapatite trial in >>15719214; it's just obstructed by patents and relatively neglected. Years ago there were e.g. a study on ways to grow enamel https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/aug/30/scientists-grow-tooth-enamel

[Anonymous No.15730254]

>>15723894
This information must be concealed at all costs

[Anonymous No.15730273]

>>15723524
Just don't eat sugar you retard
Red meat has more nutrients, it will increase the amount of mitochondria in your cells and they will produce healthy useful byproducts, instead of AGEs.
These together will prevent tons of modern diseases, cure diabetes, autoimmune diseases and mental health issues, stimulate growth and overall physical health, etc.. Mitochondrial disease has been associated with everything from cancer, to Alzheimers, to kidney disease, CFS and more.
There's enough people who have done the carnivore diet and can vouch for it.
As far as other facial development stuff goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXPh5N5XN8
Which, this by the way makes sense. Raw meat fiber is tougher than any mastic gum you can buy.
Also look up Weston A. Price's and Francis M. Pottenger, Jr's work.
Alternatively binge watch @LTPottenger
There you go, 90% of modern day health problems and mysteries completely solved within a 500 character post.
Modern medicine goy slop cucks btfo'd

[Anonymous No.15730285]

>root damage in 100% of patients
>prevent natural expansion of the palate
>doesn't solve underlying issue of small airway
>people have to wear retainers all their life because underlying problem wasn't fixed

Because it's a fucking money bag anon, have you seen how much dentists charge?
Or all those criminal dentists that overcharge or give people operations they didn't need?

Follow the money.

[Anonymous No.15730292]

>>15723484
it didn't stall. we solved it 20 years ago.

the article's free, search for
>PMC97174
"Construction and Characterization of an Effector Strain of Streptococcus mutans for Replacement Therapy of Dental Caries"

s mutans is the bacteria that causes tooth decay. they screened a bunch of samples of oral microbiota, and some of them were colonized by just one strain of s mutans. it made an antibiotic protein that killed all the other s mutans and totally outcompeted them.

then they took this supercolonizer strain, and deleted the gene that produces lactic acid.

and that's it. it works. a couple researchers infected themselves and are still infected and still don't have cavities. the group pushed out a ton more papers, with kill-switches so the bacteria would be reliant on a nutritional supplement, that way human trials could be reversed, etc.

funny how nothing happened though.

[Anonymous No.15730305]

>>15730285
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jlH8Efqu5NE

[Anonymous No.15730586]

>>15723563
> as soon as you see any grey or black bits in your teeth go to a dentist and cap the tooth
nobody ever told me this and now my molars are covered in black spots

[Anonymous No.15730595]

>>15726821
just replace it with a synthetic enamel

[Anonymous No.15730598]

>>15730292
liar

[Anonymous No.15730637]

Not that I know the answer to this question, but how are Shit Cunt's wisdom teeth? My wisdom teeth are 100% perfect. Helene went through a little phase telling me that my teeth weren't perfect because I have gaps between some of my teeth, whereby she seemed to be saying that Shit Cunt was superior and I was inferior, but I must ask how are Shit Cunt's wisdom teeth? Are they perfect?

Also, I have six coccygeal vertebrae whereas ordinary humans only have five. When my chiropractor showed me the X-ray and commented on the eccentricity of my spine, he told me I had a "magnificent owl." (Chiropractors refer to the image of the lower spine and pelvis as an owl.) If Shit Cunt's wisdom teeth are good, how is Shit Cunt's owl?

>how do Shit Cunt's labors line up against the Lord's

[Anonymous No.15730653]

>>15730637

[Anonymous No.15731092]

>>15723524
>>15723552 >>15723563
Didn't happen for me within the entire 5 years I've been using non-fluoride toothpaste so far

Of course I also don't have my mouth around weird things

[Anonymous No.15732526]

>>15723484
It hasn't stalled, everything has been solved, it just hasn't been commercialized.

[Anonymous No.15732561]

>>15723484
no money in cures

[Anonymous No.15732565]

>>15723524
man made bacteria are the actual cause of cavities

[Anonymous No.15732930]

>>15723484

In America parents will literally take out loans to pay for their kids teeth. The American smile costs a small fortune.

[Anonymous No.15732935]

>>15732930

A beautiful, but Not American smile for comparison

[Anonymous No.15735184]

>>15728159
we will, just not this civilizational cycle

[Anonymous No.15735232]

>>15726821
>the dentine layer under the enamel also an outward fluid movement
Why have odontoblast not evolved to secrete ions into this fluid flow?

[Anonymous No.15735244]

>>15735232
Because there has never been an evolutionary drive to do so?
Dental health kills, but usually only after people have had offspring.

[Anonymous No.15735264]

>>15726619
Show us a study involving humans. Even a simple cohort study that fluoridated water/ toothpaste was associated with low T. These lab studies are otherwise useless.

[Anonymous No.15735288]

>>15726981
This is the equivalent of importing new invasive species to kill old invasive species. Studies on animals raised in in sterile conditions with sterile guts have proven that every bodily function gets a massive performance boost when it's not being weighed down by "beneficial" bacteria.

The optimal amount of bacteria in your body is as low as you can possibly get it while maintaining your health. Some bacteria are less harmful than others but none of them are beneficial.

[Anonymous No.15735298]

>>15727217
>>15727139
>>15723783
You know we have hundreds of thousands of years of human skeletal remains to study, right? Cavities were pretty rare until the Neolithic revolution (aka development of agriculture) when people started eating lots of grains. It's such a massive shift from healthy teeth with little or no cavities to remains with cavities in 60% of their teeth that when remains are unearthed that have a lot of cavities, archaeologists immediately assume that they're post-Neolithic remains.

Or if that's too much, simple sugars don't stay in your mouth long enough to encourage bacteria growth, while shit like grains and starches adhere to your teeth and stay there long enough to cause bacterial overgrowth.

[Anonymous No.15735329]

>>15735264
>unless we document a human directly dying from the sun's heat, we'll never know if the sun's heat would kill a human
>no, the documented fact that heat of lower temperatures does kill humans doesn't prove anything
Scientism at work.

[Anonymous No.15735346]

>>15735298
>carbs vs pure high fructose corn syrup
Look. Carbs are a chain of glucose, that needs to break first, turn into maltose and THEN turn into editable glucose for bacteria to make their protective sheet (that yellow stuff on your teeth that protect them)
Meanwhile, hfc is just need one simple bond break and turn into fructose and glucose. Glucose for the protective sheet and fructose for food which results in acid that damage your tooth
>in before he mentions fruits fructose sugar
Yes, sure. But fruits comes with tons of fiber. Before you get even half of the sugar in a Fanta, you would be full and unable to eat anymore.
Soda though, you can chug and chug and because fructose doesn’t result in much insulin respond, still fill hungry.
So yes. Carbs are bad for teeth but pure sugar in our food and drinks is 1000 times worse.
In fact out of all the shit we eat, protein and fat are the is the ones that never cause tooth decay, because bacteria won’t use them.
Milk though , because it has a type of sugar that a mutans use, can still cause decay.
I don’t know what you are arguing about. We are on the same page

[Anonymous No.15735404]

>>15735346
NTA, but you're not responding to the most important part of that anon's claims.
Namely, that certain types of food tends to stick to the teeth, giving bacteria a breeding ground.
Eating all that sugar is of no consequence if it doesn't stay in your mouth long enough or in large enough quantities for the bacteria to proces.

[Anonymous No.15735455]

>>15735404
I responded to all his claim and validated most of it
>certain type of food stick to the teeth
Yes and as long as they are sugar or carbs they gonna rot your teeth
Yet curiously, our long ancestors are fruits and despite fruits being sticky most of the time (take mangos, or pineapples) they didn’t rot their teeth. Why? Because they couldn’t eat too much of it, since the rest of their food need was taken care of by meat and fat. (Two things that teeth don’t use)
After agri revolution, our diets become mostly carbs, with some additions of fruits and some meat and fat. Means that your teeth are bombarded by sugar all the time.
Take it to nowadays though. If someone don’t touch rice or bread, yet drink sodas daily, his teeth going to rot as well. Doesn’t matter if sugar “sticks” or not. Dissolved sugar can go the places that no flossing or scrubbing can clean them, worse than any other carbs.
That was the entire point and I answered all of it.

[Anonymous No.15736288]

>>15735288
Massive cope lol

[Anonymous No.15736298]

>>15723507
>>15723484
Doctors (denstists are teerh doctors) are frauds, they need engineers to build their reputation
That being said, scientists discovered many ways to help with mouth microbes

[Anonymous No.15736348]

>>15723925
British teeth is fine. Americans are dumb sheep who put teeth needing to be brighter than the sun as more important than anything else.

What, are you fucking kim kardashian? You fucking pleb.

[Anonymous No.15736452]

>>15727050
>way to solve the problem caused by added sugars in food, candies, and soft drinks
Yeah, it's called not eating/drinking them

[Anonymous No.15736602]

>>15723552
This, they don’t understand that the dosage is really what matters

[Anonymous No.15736769]

>>15736452
No. Don’t eat processed items you see i in super market, and definitely don’t drink ANY soda, or fruit juice
Pretty easy if you know how to cook

[Anonymous No.15736778]

>>15736769
>>15736769
Lol sorry for the respond. I misinterpreted you.

[Anonymous No.15737049]

>>15736348
british people don't know what an orthodontist is, it aint the tea stains people laugh at

[Anonymous No.15737746]

>>15723484
All of medicine is a house of cards scam. You end up writing yourself into a corner and you can only tread water and splash around so people think there's stuff going on, when really you can't do anything else without effectively destroying your market.

[Anonymous No.15737756]

>>15723524
Scientists were working on an extract from cashews that they called keep32. It was mentioned a lot in /adv/ threads more than ten years ago. Apparently, it selectively kills off streptococcus mutans.
GKS has a patent on artifical enamel that nearly perfectly mimics natural enamel.
I guess there's no money in keeping people healthy.

[Anonymous No.15737763]

>>15723563
>Clean teeth with fluoride toothpaste,
Do this.
> and live in a place with fluoridated water
Absolutely don't do this. Flouride is for topical usage, not for ingestion. No matter how hard non-dentists shill this. The poor fluoride content in your saliva following ingestion isn't worth brittle bones and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.15737768]

>>15737763
>Do this.
Don't listen to this.

>Absolutely don't do this. Flouride is for topical usage, not for ingestion. No matter how hard non-dentists shill this. The poor fluoride content in your saliva following ingestion isn't worth brittle bones and whatnot.
Listen to this.

[Anonymous No.15737781]

>>15737768
Don't listen to this.

[Anonymous No.15737784]

>>15737781
Don't listen to this.

>>15737768
Listen to this.

[Anonymous No.15737889]

>>15726670
>Hydroxyapatite
This is correct and /sci/
>>15723552
This is a mouth breather that should go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.15737896]

>>15737889
Based and true.

[Anonymous No.15737937]

but can modern dentistry save this?

[Anonymous No.15737942]

>>15723524
>how do you not get cavities in the first place?
Stop eating processed/refined foods. Eat traditional whole foods like your ancestors.

[Anonymous No.15738740]

>>15726670
I would not know about that. I started getting on it after reading about it on the nets and 4chinz and my teeth and gum would hurt slightly, which didnt happen before when I used fluoride.

then I got back on fluoride and the sensation subsided and stopped. on top of that I got slightly sensitive sensations in my teeth, which I didn't have before despite not having the best diet.

So I anecdotally do not believe that apatite protects the enamel as well as fluoride. I am no chemist or basedentist so I cant explain why, but me and all my family members can atest this

[Anonymous No.15738750]

>>15737937
>can modern dentistry save this?

Yes... go to dentist

[Anonymous No.15738756]

>>15727050
sodium bicarbonate, you can add it to water or drinks and stuff and quickly rinse your mouth with it. I will go and do it right now as a matter of fact.
>>15723524
acidity

[Anonymous No.15738758]

>>15737763
There is a very small amount of fluoride in the water, you shouldn't get brittle bones from it, especially if you are getting enough calcium.

[Anonymous No.15738761]

>>15738756
Most damage comes from bacteria that live in your mouth and thrive off of sugar, not acidity in food. Though yes acidity does wear away tooth enamel.

[Anonymous No.15738864]

>>15735346
>>15735455
That's a lot of nice cope but as >>15735404 said, all your theory is pointless when you're avoiding addressing my main point: we have clear evidence in the form of hundreds of thousands of years of skeletal remains that humans can eat as much fruit and honey as they want and they will have little to no cavities even if they are living an extremely primitive lifestyle without access to any type of modern dentistry tools or knowledge.

Widespread human cavities only begin to appear in the fossil record after the arrival of agriculture and regular grain consumption.

> high fructose corn syrup
I'm not sure what you think this means but the "high" in high fructose corn syrup is relative to regular corn syrup. It's not high in any objective sense - many fruits have a higher fructose to glucose ratio than HFCS.

>fruits comes with tons of fiber. Before you get even half of the sugar in a Fanta, you would be full and unable to eat anymore.
This is not even remotely true and even if it were, the existence of honey (almost pure sugar - 17g of sugar per 21g of honey) and the fact that humans have always eating it, often in very large quantities, completely invalidates this point.
>b-but they didn't eat that much
There are some modern hunter-gatherer tribes who eat so much honey that it's 20% of their average caloric intake. For a 2,000 calorie daily intake, that's 400 calories as honey, which is nearly half a cup. This means that
>Carbs are bad for teeth but pure sugar in our food and drinks is 1000 times worse.
is complete bullshit. Sugar in food that sticks to your teeth, sure. Pure sugar in a beverage, not at all. Completely gone from your teeth before any bacteria can make use of it.

>Dissolved sugar can go the places that no flossing or scrubbing can clean them, worse than any other carbs.
Nope.

I understand that it's hard for you to break the "sugar = cavities" programming but it's simply not true.

[Anonymous No.15738867]

>>15736288
Zoomers don't even know what "cope" means, do they? If anyone is coping it's you trying to cope with the fact that you don't like what you're hearing but you have no argument against it.

[Anonymous No.15738958]

>>15735288
Which fucking studies lol? Gut bacteria are an important part of all complex animals digestive system, it helps in breaking down food. Herbivores literally ferment their food inside of them and it is well known that gut flora is an important part of your general health. Bacteria help with the breaking down of food, allowing easier digestion as well as interacts with the immune system.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3707308/

[Anonymous No.15739013]

>>15738958
>when you have no understanding of the topic at hand but you still want to share your hot take because you feel very confident in your entry-level knowledge
Embarrassing at best.

>Which fucking studies lol
The ones you could have found very easily with a simple google search. The fact that you're not familiar with this very basic knowledge (germ-free mice are common in studies of antibiotics, for instance, and their physical attributes are very well known and studied) tells me again that you don't even have a basic understanding of the topic at hand. What is it about anonymity that makes people so eager to start debates on topics they know nothing about?

Germ-free mice do not undergo various "normal" damaging aging processes (no age-related increase in circulating pro-inflammatory cytokine levels) and live significantly longer than normal mice:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5392495/

Germ free mice develop less metabolic waste in brain tissues:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/srep41802

Germ-free mice are more resistant to pathogens:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587
I could go on but you get the idea. The idea that your body is somehow enhanced by microbial colonization is so utterly absurd that it amazes me that so few people have taken a step back and given it some thought. There is only one benefit to being colonized by bacteria and that is that some strains are less harmful than others and many people can see a positive change from replacing harmful intestinal bacteria with relatively benign ones. But even these "good" bacteria are harmful in an absolute sense; they're only "good" in comparison to worse ones.

Since it bears repeating: the optimal amount of bacteria in your body is as low as you can possibly get it while maintaining your health.

[Anonymous No.15739025]

>>15739013
>works on my mice-chine
Monder science is a joke.

[Anonymous No.15739035]

>>15739025
>discounting the value of mouse studies applied to humans
If you're this ignorant then what are you doing on this board?

If you understand anything about bacteria (do you?) then you should understand that producing germ-free mice is a relatively complex and technologically intense undertaking. These mice have to be born without any intestinal microbes (a problem already since we inherit bacteria from our mothers) and then kept in perfectly sterile environments since exposure to even a single microbe will soon lead to a full colonization.

This is obviously impossible to test on humans - it would require generations of effort to even get to the point of having a completely germ-free human test subject - and is theoretical anyway since our natural environment is obviously not germ-free and any germ-free human exposed to it would quickly cease to be one. The main takeaway from these types of studies is that there's no such thing as "good" intestinal bacteria and any theories based around intentionally pumping yourself full of them (taking probiotics, for example) should be discounted.

[Anonymous No.15739041]

>>15723524
There actually is a protective filming you can get for your teeth.
Did you even do a cursory search for what you are asking for? Unless we are now in a Mandela effect branch Universe, protective filming for teeth has been around for many years.

[Anonymous No.15739048]

>>15739035
They cured cancer in mice. Go buy a mouse costume.

[Anonymous No.15739085]

>>15739013
>Germ free mice develop less metabolic waste in brain tissues:
This same article also says that
>"Reduced levels of Akkermansia have been associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes in mice24, and prebiotic-induced restoration of Akkermansia in the gut results in reduced fat-mass gain and decreased systemic inflammation. In turn, type 2 diabetes and inflammation are known risk factors in AD development25,26,27,28. Strikingly, the relative abundance of Akkermansia was negatively correlated and several bacterial genera were positively correlated with the amount of the pathogenic Aß42 in brain."
and
>One can hypothesize that depleted in Akkermansia in AD mice may lead to a disturbed gut barrier with increased influx of inflammatory components including endotoxins. Consistent with this hypothesis, Kumar et al. showed that gastro-intestinal microbiota of the brains of transgenic 5XFAD mice resulted in seeding and accelerated cerebral beta-amyloid deposition
So clearly "germs = bad" is not the conclusion that they are drawing in that paper

>Germ-free mice are more resistant to pathogens:
This article does not exist according to nature, either there is a typo or the paper has been retracted.

Maybe read a little more than the abstracts of cherry picked papers next time before commenting on entry level knowledge

[Anonymous No.15739141]

>>15739085
>Maybe read a little more than the abstracts of cherry picked papers next time
I like the irony here.

>Reduced levels of Akkermansia have been associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes in mice
These are both lifestyle disorders which makes this sort of connection completely uninteresting to me. You will not develop obesity or type 2 diabetes with a healthy lifestyle regardless of your intestinal flora.

>the relative abundance of Akkermansia was negatively correlated and several bacterial genera were positively correlated with the amount of the pathogenic Aß42 in brain
I already addressed this sort of connection:
>There is only one benefit to being colonized by bacteria and that is that some strains are less harmful than others and many people can see a positive change from replacing harmful intestinal bacteria with relatively benign ones.

>depleted in Akkermansia in AD mice may lead to a disturbed gut barrier with increased influx of inflammatory components including endotoxins
This is another one of those areas where you're out of your depth.
Many
>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.18.456856v1.full
>we find that the microbiota from the aged gut directly contributes to the induction of inflammation and gut permeability
studies
>Our results indicate that increased amounts of TLR2-stimulating components were found in the circulation of recipients of old microbiota, which may have promoted increased inflammation and enhanced T cell differentiation.
>https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2017.01385/full
have demonstrated a correlation between intestinal permeability and microbial action.

>This article does not exist according to nature, either there is a typo or the paper has been retracted.
Here's the full article title, go find it:
>A germ-free humanized mouse model shows the contribution of resident microbiota to human-specific pathogen infection

[Anonymous No.15740115]

>>15738867
I’m older than you, and I haven’t brushed my teeth or gone to the dentist in 15 years and I have excellent gum and teeth health. Also don’t have fluoridated water, thank God. Cope more.

[Anonymous No.15740136]

>>15740115
Do you eat any particular diet?

[Anonymous No.15740168]

>>15740136
Sounds like he's been eating a lot of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15740428]

>>15740136
>>15740168
Mmm son I made a giant slow cooker full of chili with lots of stuff out in it, still eating it. After it cooled off I dumped a quart of kefir in it to preserve and put it in the fridge. Gotta say it’s got a little tang now lol
>do I have any particular diet
Not particularly. I don’t drink pop and juice and shit. I don’t drink milk, except that which I make homemade kefir with, but even that is pretty new. I can’t claim to be some pure eating dude for my whole life by any means lol

[Anonymous No.15740437]

>>15740428
>these are the people that claim everything is goyslop.

[Anonymous No.15740443]

>>15740437
NTA and I think he's a lying attentionwhore, but everything IS goyslop.
Homegrown and homemade food is the only thing that isn't.

[Anonymous No.15740446]

>>15740437
Anything you make yourself from a from ingredients if fine as far as I’m concerned.
I went to the dentist before covid for a few years, because my now ex wife wanted me to. They hated me because they had to work hard to remove all the calculus, and I never had cavities lol. Afterwards I would always pack those now oralbiotic tablets along my gum line and let them sit there. Only time I had cavities was when I was a kid and brushed and did all the crap.

[Anonymous No.15740487]

>>15740443
Why? Ffs all I did originally is point out oral biotics and kefir exist, and they are literally tablets and a drink that improve your oral biome. Attention whore lmao

[Anonymous No.15741256]

>>15723484
Because apprently everyone likes to talk against people that have a horrondes bad breath.


I fucjing hate it. People think Im an autist but I just hate talking to bad breaths

[Anonymous No.15741262]

>>15724067
Your breath must smell like rotten death birds on the street. You fucking disgusting asshole.

Go floss your teeth and smell on the cord afterwards. You will fall backwards because of the smell.

[Anonymous No.15741264]

>>15740115
You found the reason why you dont have a girlfriend. Go brush your teeth your disgusting animal. Our grand grand grand grand ancestors even brushed their teeth you fucking baboon

[Anonymous No.15741503]

>>15741256
You're austistic and you hate talking to people with bad breath

[Anonymous No.15741988]

>>15741262
You sound like a neurotic little bitch. Total nu-male.

[Anonymous No.15742029]

>>15723524
Xylitol does that, but unironicaly

[Anonymous No.15742107]

>>15741262
>>15741264
Actually if I floss it doesn’t smell, although I know the smell of death you’re talking about and everyone I know that brushes and flosses every day has that smell. Pretty interesting. It’s almost like having a mouth cultivated by beneficial bacteria crowds out the decay causing bacteria. Also most bad breath comes from tonsular calci, which you also won’t have if your mouth is colonized by good bacteria.

[Anonymous No.15742143]

>>15742107So to follow up, here’s what I suggest people try:
- get kefir grains and start making your own kefir.
- get the Now oralbiotics
- sterilize your mouth by brushing, flossing, gargling mouthwash, hydrogen peroxide, pulling coconut oil, wash rinse repeat all these things a few times. Scrap your tongue.
- the. Swish with kefir and pack those oral biotic tablets along your gum line and go to sleep. After this, keep brushing if you want, but don’t use mouthwashes or other disinfectants. Also were you aware that your mouth bacteria produce most of the nitric acid your body needs, and mouthwash has been shown to interrupt this important metabolic process?

[Anonymous No.15742189]

>>15742143
If man made it up, don't do it. Very simple. Naturalness is not a fallacy, it's a heuristic. And it works.

[Anonymous No.15742226]

>>15737942
That hurts profit so it won't ever be admitted by the mainstream

[Anonymous No.15742779]

>>15742143
>unironically recommending the usage of mouthwash
Come on, now
And I sincerely hope people aren't actually using hydrogen peroxide for purposes other than to treat mouth infections

[Anonymous No.15742800]

>>15742779
Only recommending it as a one-time deal to clean the slate before repopulating your mouth.

[Anonymous No.15744232]

>>15742800
Okay, I concede. That's good advice.

[Anonymous No.15744260]

>>15742029
I HIGHLY recommend buying a bag of pure xylitol crystals and using it daily as a mouth cleanser.

[Anonymous No.15744368]

>>15730292
No way to get your hands on this strain?

[Anonymous No.15744618]

>>15723735
No

[Anonymous No.15744701]

>>15723563
>live in a place with fluoridated water

[Anonymous No.15744710]

>>15744368
could try reaching out directly to this "JD Hillman" guy, he might be willing to part with some.

[Anonymous No.15744719]

>>15744701
Can you imagine actually drinking that shit and thinking you're intelligent.

[Anonymous No.15744731]

>>15744719
Reminds me of circumcision actually.
>We cut part of it off to make you better! You are better for being cut!
Same mindset. It's the same trick over and over and over, it works for almost anything, as long as you can either maim them before they know what's happening, or make it look inescapable. Too big to go up against. So they accept the soothing delusion.

I'm serious you know. This is all encoded into mutilation based societies.

[Anonymous No.15744889]

>>15738864
First of all retard.
There is not enough honey in the wild to feed Hunter gatherers (in 30-50 pops) enough so they can get 20% of their diet.
Nigga even if ALL Hunter gathers got 20% honey as their stable caloric diet, it’s still nothing in comparison to the amount of sugar most people eat DAILY. 100 g sugar is roughly around 400 calorie. You drink two regular soda and you meet that amount and then let’s forget about snacks and all the foods that use sugar both As a taste enhancer and preservative. Estimates consumption of some people goes about 100 lb per year. Hunter gatherers never ate that much sugar, or they would have died from diabetes.
So that’s for you first lie
Second, you are claiming that fruits have the SAME amount of sugar as a fucking pineapple Fanta? 70 grams of sugar?
Nigga if you get the sweetest fruit and you keep eating, by the time you get to 100 g of sugar , you gonna fucking pass out from stomach ache. They are full of fiber. Besides, Hunter gatherers couldn’t rely on fucking fruits to survive. They would eat from a tree in season, and then go back to meet or ground vegetables.
It was a LUXURY not staple food.
Fructose to glucose ratio doesn’t really matter, when you don’t eat much.
It matters when you can chug 100 g of liquid sugar in each meal.
So that’s your second fucking lie.
>pure sugar in baverave doesn’t stick to your teeth cause it’s liquid
Nigga if your hands get sticky after you touch some soda, if ground gets sticky after you spill some soda, bet your inbred ass that your teeth will ALSO be sticky for a while.
>it’s hard for you to break sugar cavities programming
Ye bro, such a “programming” when every food we eat and drink got some sugar in it. It’s just such a coincidence that incidence of fucked up teeth going up.
>>15736452
sure. All diseases relate to diet have pills to fix it a bit. (For example high blood pressure) where is the teeth pill?

[Anonymous No.15745293]

>>15730292
holy shit.
stuff like this is like free energy it will be buried under because we can’t live in a idealistic world like that.
entire dental lobby would work together to bury this sorta research under the ground.

[Anonymous No.15745394]

I read somewhere recently anecdotes of Vitamin K2 in high doses (mostly as MK-4, but a few people reported MK-7 as preferred) softening tartar/plaque enough to be easily removed, and in some cases possibly even reversing early stages of dental caries. Just ordered some to give it a try, along with nano-hydroxapatite toothpaste. I think the guy who studied the superior teeth and facial structures of primitive people in >>15737942 called the missing link between primitive and Western diets "activator x", which turned out to be Vitamin K. Does anyone know about K2 for teeth?

[Anonymous No.15745468]

>>15730598
>nooooo i have to fight with something it can't just work right on its own

[Anonymous No.15745574]

>>15745394
What’s the difference between mk4 and mk7?

[Anonymous No.15745617]

>>15745574
>>15745394
Idk but there’s a lot of natural vitamin K in kefir, that you make at home yourself for cheap as hell from kefir grains. I acquired my grains from yemoos dot com

[Anonymous No.15745627]

>>15745617
Nice.
It’s fucking crazy, there is literally only ONE bacteria (well, like 90%) doing all the damage and there is not ONE single cure? Entire profession of dentistry should have been redundant by now (leave for some extreme cases)

[Anonymous No.15745839]

>>15745627
What do you mean? I’ve spammed this thread with easy “cures”

[Anonymous No.15745861]

>>15745839
I meant official cures from “pharma” not from people here

[Anonymous No.15745864]

>>15744889
>It was a LUXURY not staple food.
Actually high caloric fruits 3000 cal/kg (baobab tree fruit) is staple food of the last African hunter gatherering tribe. (But baobab is 90% starch, ist more like tree potato than fruit). Such plants make gathering sustainable.

[Anonymous No.15745875]

>>15745864
You taught me something.
Thanks
But then again, that fruit is heavy with starch, no one person can eat enough to ruin their teeth with sugar

[Anonymous No.15746307]

>>15744889
>Nigga even if ALL Hunter gathers got 20% honey as their stable caloric diet, it’s still nothing in comparison to the amount of sugar most people eat DAILY.
They eat fruit and tubers too, my son.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people
>Honey represents a substantial portion of the Hadza diet (~10-20% of calories) and is an important food for many hunter-gatherer societies living in the tropics.
>During the wet season, the diet is composed mostly of honey, some fruit, tubers, and occasional meat.
Humans have been searching for and consuming honey for so long that we have developed a cooperate relationship with birds that have learned that if they lead humans to a nest, the humans will break it open to get the honey and the birds will be able to eat the wax and larvae left behind.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_honeyguide
>The greater honeyguide is known to guide people to the nests of wild bees. The guiding bird flies toward an occupied nest (greater honeyguides know the sites of many bees' nests in their territories) and then stops nearby the nest. After humans harvest the honey, the honeyguide eats wax that is left.

>They would eat from a tree in season
Every single inch of the human digestive system and biology evolved in regions where there are no "seasons" such that plants stop growing or producing fruit. I understand that you don't know much about this topic but all of my claims about the diets of hunter-gathers are based on modern anthropologists observations of extant hunter-gatherer tribes. All of these tribes claim that their way of life was far easier in the past (due to less competition from other humans and technological society) so we can only imagine how easy it must have been for the 99% of our evolutionary history where the global homo sapien population was less than 1 million.

>Nigga if your hands get sticky after you touch some soda
What happens to those sticky soda hands if you rinse them in warm water?

[Anonymous No.15747366]

>>15745861
They figured out long ago official cures aren’t in their best interest. Official curtailing of symptoms is best you can get, with rare exceptions

[Anonymous No.15747406]

>>15747366
>>15745627
This is just Western medicine in general. The focus is always on treating the symptoms rather than the root cause. Preventative medicine has never been popular in the West, initially from lack of knowledge and currently from lack of profit motive.

[Anonymous No.15748353]

>>15726821
I've heard that the research now focuses on making the liquid enamel adopt a crystalline form

[Anonymous No.15748567]

>>15727127
>sADP5 - peptide from amelogenin - calcium, and phosphate
>basically everything found in bones
was the answer this whole time to just eat more bones?

[Anonymous No.15749060]

>>15726670
it's just the same shit, just remineralizers a bit differently, same with novamin and and xylitol

stop being a special snowflake

[Anonymous No.15749070]

>>15747406
The body heals itself, so most of the time that's actually the best course of action. It's also basically impossible to "cure" some things, like viruses.

[Anonymous No.15749086]

>>15746307
Again, you said it yourself. Those Hunter gatherer tribes had 20% calorie honey.
That’s 400 calorie, around 100 g sugar.
Today people on average consume MUCH more sugar.
And even if you add in fruits, they are full of fibers which can counteract.
>if you wash your hand
Nigga I want you to try to wash your sugar off your hand with your saliva alone.
Saliva itself is viscous it retain the fructose and glucose and make it stick to teeth
Plus bacteria make films using glucose, which means sugar will stay on longer

[Anonymous No.15749749]

why only schizos make these dental threads?

t. dentalhomo since -09

[Anonymous No.15749778]

>>15723552

[Anonymous No.15750082]

>>15723524
Brush your teeth twice a day, use mouthwash and floss. Reduce sugar consumption and don't drink crap like coke which contain phosphoric acid. That's it, you will never have a cavity.

[Anonymous No.15750093]

>>15732935
Her teeth seems healthy and in good condition only she has issues with her bite, a single year wearing alligners woud fix that, standard alligners would probably cost 2k, invisalign maybe 3k

[Anonymous No.15750100]

>>15747406
Because most people do not want to treat the root cause of their illness. In other words, stop drinking, smoking, drugs, other bad habits, eat healthy food and exercise regularly and most illnesses will go away, in other words unhealthy lifestyle and bad habits is the root cause.

[Anonymous No.15750120]

>>15750100
>Because most people do not want to treat the root cause of their illness.
Neither do you. Instead of treating the root cause of your society's illness, you blame the masses for failing to spend a lifetime swimming against the current. lol

[Anonymous No.15750570]

>>15750120
>Neither do you.
I also only stated a fact, I don't blame people for their unhealthy lifestyles because I don't care about other people or society.

[Anonymous No.15750578]

>>15750570
Hm. Fair enough.