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Marine notices published - edition

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>> No.15718615

>>15718352
1-2 weeks until launch

>> No.15718621
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https://twitter.com/MarcusHouse/status/1698638739336249735

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You want to watch a Finnish autist talking about fission fragment rockets? You wouldn't be on /sfg/ if you didn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BDn7esF2g

>> No.15718638

>>15718621
This triggers my data preservation autism but lets be very honest again. You don't have a video stream of every single airliner taking off and landing, because that would just take up ungodly amounts of space. We're slowly being weaned into the Starship age

>> No.15718643

>>15718293
>Is the real reason so many are mad at SpaceX only streaming on twitter because they can't watch it on TV anymore?
qrd?
I was busy this weekend and I haven't seen any twitxfag screen shots about this.
Still not gonna create a fucking account.

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698633907594219642

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698631998875607245

Like I've said many times before, there is a clear reason why Musk bought Twitter and it is in line with the mission of colonizing Mars
people with EDS are just unwilling to accept this, if western civilization declines so much that SpaceX is unable to function anymore (for one reason or another, there are a lot of ways this could happen), then that prevents Mars colonization

>> No.15718649

>>15718638
We would if there were only hundreds of flights per year. Now it's in the range of tens of millions.

>> No.15718650

>>15718648
>>15718644
>>15718621
stop samefagging

>> No.15718651

>>15718644
>>15718648
Not spaceflight

Fuck off with your offtopic

>> No.15718652

>>15718650
you don't understand what samefagging means
look it up retard

>>15718651
seething EDS sufferer

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>>15718650
>samefagging

>> No.15718657 [DELETED] 

>>15718652
redditspacing
>>15718654
redditmemes

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>>15718657
go back faggot

>> No.15718659

>>15718657
projection

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>>15718635
>The Fission Fragment Rocket Engine for Mars Fast Transit

>In this paper we discuss the advantages and challenges of utilizing Fission Fragment Rocket Engines (FFREs) to dramatically reduce transit time in space travel, for example, traveling to Mars. We discuss methods to decrease the size and weight of FFREs. These include utilizing metallic deuterides as moderators, driving the engines with electron beam bremsstrahlung, and operating the FFREs as subcritical assemblies, not as nuclear reactors. We discuss these and other new innovations based upon improved materials and technology that may be integrated into a revolutionary nuclear rocket technology.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.01441
paper has a brief outline of the aerogel FFRE that's getting some NIAC cash
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/Aerogel_Core_Fission_Fragment_Rocket_Engine

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>>15718675
> To address the urgent need for advanced propulsion solutions, we propose the development of a nuclear fission fragment rocket engine (FFRE) that is exponentially more propellent efficient than rocket engines currently used to power today's space vehicles and could achieve very high specific impulse (>100,000 sec) at high power density (>kW/kg). Current proposed designs for Fission Fragment Rocket Engines are prohibitively massive, have significant thermal constraints, or require implementing complex designs, such as dusty plasma levitation, which limits the near-term viability. We propose to develop a small prototype low-density nuclear reactor core and convert the nuclear energy stored in a fissile material into a high velocity rocket exhaust and electrical power for spacecraft payloads.

> The key improvements over previous concepts are: 1. Embed the fissile fuel particles in an ultra-low density aerogel matrix to achieve a critical mass assembly 2. Utilize recent breakthroughs in high field, high temperature superconducting magnets to constrain fission fragment trajectories between moderator elements to minimize reactor mass.

> The aerogel matrix and high magnetic field (B>20T) allows for fission fragments to escape the core while increasing conductive and radiative heat loss from the individual fuel particles. NIAC work will provide detailed mission analysis of fast transit to SGL for direct imaging and high-resolution spectroscopy of a habitable exoplanet at a distance of up to 100 light years. The FFRE propulsion system could provide delta-V to reach the SGL in less than 15yrs and provide the slowdown and maneuvering capability at SGL. The telescopes would act as a single pixel detector while traversing the Einstein Ring region, building an image of the exoplanet with enough resolution to see its surface features and signs of habitability.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission-fragment_rocket

> Fission-fragment propulsion concept: a) fissionable filaments arranged in disks, b) revolving shaft, c) reactor core, d) fragments exhaust

> The fission-fragment rocket is a rocket engine design that directly harnesses hot nuclear fission products for thrust, as opposed to using a separate fluid as working mass. The design can, in theory, produce very high specific impulse while still being well within the abilities of current technologies.

>> No.15718704

>>15718696
>very high specific impulse (>100,000 sec)
Pog

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>>15718696
>The FFRE propulsion system could provide delta-V to reach the SGL in less than 15yrs

>> No.15718716

>>15718611
An axial compressor compresses air up to a pressure of 50 bar, what is now the temperature of the air?

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If i threw a rock at the moon from the surface of the earth (or if i used a mass driver), how big is the area around the moon where the rock would get captured if it was going past earth escape velocity?

How fast would it need to go? It intuitively seems like it would be earth escape velocity minus the moons escape velocity (11 - 2.4)


Im trying to figure out what the real target size and energy requirements are for lunar mass driving if we wanted to colonize the place : )

Depending on how big the capture area is you might be able to just shoot blindly in the rough direction of the moon!

>> No.15718719

>>15718644
reminder that these are true crabs and not bugs like some would like you to believe

>> No.15718723

you guys ever mess with sats?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcqAhdOfQH0

>> No.15718726

>>15718719
Okay, thanks

>> No.15718728

>>15718719
t. fake ocean crab

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https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1698661431497932978

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>>15718729
https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1698659418223894629

> At Blue Origin's Launch Complex 36, the Jarvis test tank has been removed from its test stand, and now seems to be back over at the production tents in the northwest corner of the complex. Tests of the smaller T/E seem to be continuing.

>> No.15718733

At this rate we can expect BO to conduct a successful orbital flight before SeX

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>>15718696
>The ionizing radiation properties of a fission fragment rocket engine concept are described in the context of a crewed Mars mission. This propulsion system could achieve very high specific impulse (>10 6 sec) at high power density (>kW/kg), utilizing micron-sized fissile fuel particles suspended in an aerogel matrix. The fission core is located within the bore of an electromagnet and external neutron moderator material. The low-density aerogel allows for radiative cooling of fuel particles while minimizing collisional losses with the fission fragments, leading to more efficient use of fissile fuel in producing thrust compared to previous concepts. This paper presents estimates of the steady state ionizing radiation equivalent dose to the astronaut crew from both external (e.g. galactic cosmic rays) and internal (reactor) sources. The spacecraft design includes a centrifugation concept where the transit habitation module rotates around the spacecraft center of mass, providing artificial gravity to the crew and separation distance to the nuclear core. We find that the fission fragment propulsion system combined with centrifugation could lead to reduced transit time, reduced equivalent radiation dose, and reduced risk of long-term exposure to micro-g environments. Such a high specific impulse propulsion system would enable other crewed fast transit, high delta-V interplanetary missions with payload mass fractions much greater than alternative propulsion architectures (chemical, solarelectric)
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frspt.2023.1197347/abstract

>> No.15718740

fission fragment is a meme
There is no need for expensive fancy high Isp + low thrust engines in the solar system

The only useful fission anything is nuclear pulse propulsion from Earths surface
Since people are too pussy for that, forget about it

>> No.15718744

>>15718740
What if the fission products was < 7 days half life
I think the chinaman would be okay with those odds

>> No.15718753

>>15718733
SpaceX has conducted an orbital flight yesterday.

>> No.15718767

>>15718753
of
the star ship ?

>> No.15718770

>>15718733
there is no indication whatsoever BO is close to launching anything
Starship launch is like 2 weeks away

>> No.15718777

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2RfOcieAs4
the vibes from this video
worth a watch

>> No.15718780

>>15718767
Yes, did you miss that?

>> No.15718782

>>15718717
I think your first problem is finding a way to throw said rock upward at earth escape velocity. Or at least without removing the atmosphere first.

>> No.15718790

>>15718729
>SpaceX
>builds a crew access arm
>>15718730
>Below Orbit
>still playing with water tanks
>>15718733
I'm not sure we can even expect BO to conduct a successful orbital flight before Starship Block 2.

>> No.15718793

>>15718729
>Terran R pad infrastructure?
Feels a bit soon for even early pad infrastructure, but good if they are. They're probably more focused on building out their Stennis site right now.

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So SpaceX placed cones along the road, but since it's labor day the S25 rollout is most scheduled likely tomorrow.

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>>15718644
>>15718719
They look like lobsters

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>>15718777

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>>15718740
>There is no need for expensive fancy high Isp + low thrust engines in the solar system
If your only ambition is to go to Mars, yeah. For Ceres and beyond they beat chem rockets every time

>> No.15718834

>>15718794
>labor day
>don't show up to work
Quirky Americans

>> No.15718837

>>15718818
use shit as a propellant lmaaoo

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billions must die

>> No.15718845

>>15718843
look at this dysgenic dinosaur with weak bones and pitiful body mass
what a loser

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>>15718843
boca chica has fallen

>> No.15718852

>>15718843
Is there actually a single rare species at boca chica? Some of these species are "rare" in the usa due to their ranges barely touching the USA or something, but then Mexico is full of them and the consvervation status is least concerned
So basically absolute fucking horseshit

>> No.15718858

>>15718843
speaking of birbs
would they fly faster on the moon?

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https://www.space.com/european-space-agency-freedom-of-information

>> No.15718874

>>15718863
https://twitter.com/TerezaPultarova/status/1698648861571506244

More info. ESA is above the law LMAO.

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>>15718643
Anybody?
Something happened this weekend about SpaceX and video streams, and I was busy this weekend so I apparently missed whatever it was. Is Elon really trying to limit it to only TwitX? Did Google do something he didn't like?

>> No.15718890

>>15718863
Would be based if ESA used this power to get shit done.

>> No.15718894

>>15718886
SpaceX will only be streaming on X from now on, not youtube

>> No.15718898

>>15718886
official SpaceX streams are only on twitter/X now

>> No.15718899

>>15718886
X is the everything app so everyone else is in direct competition.

>> No.15718901

>>15718894
>>15718898
>>15718899
still not creating an account

>> No.15718903

I'm pretty stubborn and so far have refused to make a Twitter account of call the service "X"

>> No.15718904

>>15718886
SpaceX will only be streaming on X from now on despite X's livestreaming not yet having reached parity with other platforms

>> No.15718906

>>15718903
>>15718901
autism

>> No.15718908

Well hopefully Everyday Astronaut will have YouTube coverage of the launch cause fuck twitter

>> No.15718910

>>15718908
Multiple other Youtube channels have confirmed they will be like TLPN, NSF, SFN, etc so he will also probably cover it. For them it will probably be a massive boon, big influx of viewers who were looking for original page but cant find it,

>> No.15718912

>>15718906
Yes.

>> No.15718915

SpaceX streams were the only ones that I could rely on for not being full of soi "like and subscribe and superchat and patreon and merch" faggotry.

>> No.15718922

>>15718777
could hobbyists build orbital rockets if they had a few hundred thousand dollars budget and regulations didn't stop them?

>> No.15718928

>>15718922
yes, easily with that sort of money
regulations aren't nearly as bad as you think either

you could go super jank and cheap and make some stupid 21 stage monstrosity too

>> No.15718929

>>15718915
labpadre?

>> No.15718937

https://spacenews.com/indias-moon-lander-set-for-nighttime-as-solar-mission-soars/
>India’s Chandrayaan-3 lander and rover have been set to sleep for the onset of lunar night
Adios

>> No.15718944

>>15718929
Still going to be some recompressed horrors from a bad bitrate to begin with.

>> No.15718945

>>15718908
He is. He's talking about doing it in 4K.
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1698498227719258593
>It’s sounding like upcoming SpaceX livestreams may no longer be streamed on YouTube. So it raises the question, if they’re not providing 4K footage, is it worth it for us to stream in 4K (assuming we can do so reliably)? Specifically the upcoming Starship launch.
>Kinda weird to think that until X provides a way to stream 4K on your TV’s / devices, we might be the only source of 4K feeds for launches (also sorry for the repost, added the poll)

>> No.15718952

>>15718845
Okay but watch this shit
https://youtu.be/30uQJcJNU3g?si=BbH_UFQ4xJwzgLhZ

>> No.15718954

>>15718929
>labpadre?
But they don't do launch streams? I guess they would, there just haven't been many launches from BC yet. Lab Padre and Mauricio have almost no soi content in their BC videos.
But I care about Florida launches too. I was cringing at the SFN launch stream last night, and they aren't even the worst.
>>15718904
>despite X's livestreaming not yet having reached parity with other platforms
Elon autism. It would be better to attract viewers with quality to nudge them over rather than suddenly forcing it. Nobody likes to be yanked out of their habits.

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Liquid hydrogen is unavoidable when it comes to spaceflight.

Newspace shouldn't be afraid of it.

>> No.15718957

>>15718955
hydrogen is incompatible with reusability

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>>15718955
>hydroloxfag
It's a bitch to liquefy, a bitch to keep cold, low density, likes to walk through walls, and embrittlement. And it still needs solid boosters to get off the ground.
And most of it is made by cracking methane anyhow.

>> No.15718961

>>15718955
hydrolox sucks for first stages

>> No.15718965

>>15718959
>And it still needs solid boosters to get off the ground
look at the irreparable damage shuttle and shuttle derived vehicles have done to your brain
hydrologgs shines as a high energy sustainer stage fuel

>> No.15718973

>>15718965
>sustainer stage
Ahhh it seems you cannot think critically! Sustainer stage implies you are either a) expending your core stage (gay!)
or b) putting your sustainer stage in orbit and refueling it with a depot, in which case methalox wins over the use of hydrolox when you factor in density-impulse

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>>15718965
Look at the irreparable damage that the boosters did to Shittle when they got a little too cold. Seventy. Two. Seconds. Bitch.
Oh and it also needs to be insulated from the LOX tanks to keep the oxygen from freezing. Frozen oxygen be dangerous, yo. And it needs to be insulated from the spacecraft walls, too. No balloon tanks for you!
LH2 and supercooled kerosene get together with LOX just fine, total bros.

>> No.15718976

>>15718959
wow just like lox

anyways hydrogen kinda sux unless someone figures out a magical way to densify it which would turn it god-tier

>> No.15718977

>>15718954
Yeah I really wouldn't mind X only livestreams if it had all the features I've come to expect of youtube livestreaming+better bitrate & quality

>> No.15718979

>>15718976
LOX doesn't need to be kept below 14K, that's a whole next level of cryo suck.

>> No.15718981

>>15718977
First thing I care about is not needing another fucking internets account. I didn't want to use Twatter when it was new, and I still don't. I don't feel a need to tell the wnole world every time I take a crap. It's like the bastard child of blogging and forums.

>> No.15718982

>>15718981
I don't mind it now that I don't need a phone number to sign up anymore

>> No.15718984

>>15718976
>anyways hydrogen kinda sux unless someone figures out a magical way to densify it which would turn it god-tier
just use solid hydrogen

>> No.15718986

>>15718984
Slush hydrogen

>> No.15718994

>>15718928
You retard

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>>15718794
However...

>> No.15719005

>>15718979
It's just a few degrees of difference. What are the practical challenges in real life?

Both are equally easy to keep cryogenic in ONI which has a pretty cool thermodynamic simulation. But even though the underlying sim is realistic, for gameplay purposes the game has advanced materials with great thermal properties and devices that just magically delete heat ...

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The modern internet is a fucking joke, anyone who supports copyright excess and online walled gardens is a fucking joke

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>>15718984
Rydberg hydrogen

>> No.15719017

>>15719005
>It's just a few degrees of difference
die please

>> No.15719034

>>15719008
>you aren't allowed to view thing because words on paper over here
The internet used to be no-man's-land, now it's been settled by corpos and their goons.

>> No.15719038

>>15719034
much like the state of the modern cell phone, this is the fault of the normie.

>> No.15719039

>>15718717
the delta v for a ballistic capture is going to essentially be the same as the delta v for getting a rocket to TLI. the only thing you're saving is the cost of lunar injection. for a mass driver from earth's surface, i'd guess you'd be substantially cutting down on your steering losses and somewhat cutting your gravity losses at the expense of increasing your drag losses. based on nothing other than playing kerbal RSS... i'd say somewhere around 8.7 km/s for earth orbit plus the 3.15 for TLI for 11.85 km/s.
>you might be able to just shoot blindly
if there's a specific orbit you want then that's definitely not going to work. trajectories that depend on n-body weirdness are necessarily extremely sensitive to initial conditions and you'd probably need a gun that's unrealistically precise to get one at all. but assuming you could, it'd still take some computing power to figure out the right trajectory.

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>>15719005
>simulation
>it works in muh vidya gaems
kerbal please

>> No.15719045

>>15718922
launcher startups can't come close to reaching orbit with less than a million dollars, and if you think the guys who work at those places aren't hobbyists you're kidding yourself

>> No.15719050

>>15719034
there are still some outposts but they're not the same. the wild west of the internet is long over.
it was bound to happen. it's easier to make a facebook page for your group than a whole website. easier to make an X account than a blog. and as the internet grew it became a viable market for advertising. and corporations incentivized it to become sterile so as to not tarnish their brand.

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>>15719040
Did you miss the part where I mentioned the game has scifi materials and it directly violates the first law of thermodynamics?
Of course it's perfectly realistic.

But just like KSP's thing is orbital mechanics simulation, ONI's thing is thermodynamic simulation. And the sim has impressive performance for running inside unity game. It's an external module written in lower level language--it had to be.

>> No.15719061

>>15719045
all they need to do is embrace electric pump fed monoprop and making your own htp using this
you could get to orbit for whatever it takes to find a chemist crazy enough to make the htp

https://sci-hub.se/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1521-3773(19980904)37:16%3C2217::AID-ANIE2217%3E3.0.CO;2-D

>> No.15719065

>>15719045
getting to orbit != getting to a designated orbit with a commercially viable payload mass

>> No.15719067

>>15719065
if you had a rocket with development + first unit costs that low it'd automatically be a commercially viable cubesat launcher

>> No.15719077

>>15719067
nobody is paying you $500k to put their 50 gram satellite into a wonky elliptical orbit that decays in 2 weeks

>> No.15719078

i think you guys are overblowing how scary htp is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i06SnRCQN6U
this doesn't look that bad at all

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>>15718957
>>15718959
>>15718961

>He hasn't taken the nuclear thermal pill

>> No.15719086

HAPPENING

>> No.15719088

>>15719086
what is

>> No.15719090

>>15719088
Autobots rollout

>> No.15719093

>>15719078
what's the lowest HTP percentage that's still viable rocket oxidizer?

>> No.15719096

>>15718922
no
$50M seed fund is probably the absolute bare minimum for a one-off orbital rocket that barely gets 1kg into a random unstable orbit, if you want to build multiple or have proper orbit insertion or a larger payload then you'll need a *lot* more than 5 million, probably an entire order of magnitude

>> No.15719097

>>15718843
Totally worth delaying mans return to the moon

>> No.15719099

>>15719093
like 60 or 70, don't trust me though

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>>15719097
>it's okay, if we destroy the planet daddy muskaroni will take me to live with him on the moon

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>>15719090

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>>15719082
>nuclear thermal

>> No.15719108

>>15719101
>inconvenience a few birds
>destroy the planet

Totally the same thing false equivalence retard

I'm not an Elon freak either

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>>15719108
Simple fact is human matters, human affairs, human progress and human civilization should take precedent above all especially when it concerns the new human frontier of space.

Deal with it.

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>>15719110
*and by human I mean American

>> No.15719114

required htp viewing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhEYaovWxl4

>> No.15719118

>>15719077
people pay more than $500k for sounding rocket launches

>> No.15719121

>our goal is millions of people living and working in space
>anyways here is our suborbital rocket. How about you bid on a seat and we'll go with whoever wants to pay the most ludicrous amount of money
>also it blew up and we are grounding it for a year, if not more
Who is running this shit

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>>15719121
>Who is running this shit

>> No.15719126

>>15719124
I would not (not) eat the lizard.

>> No.15719132

>>15719005
liquid hydrogen is so cold it will freeze oxygen

>> No.15719133
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15719133

Flat earthers looking at this like "why are the lines curved?"

>> No.15719139

>>15719133
normies who accept spherical earth but don't understand orbital mechanics ask the same question

>> No.15719141

>>15719139
That's hilarious

>> No.15719144

>>15718955
shut the fuck up retard

>> No.15719145

https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-spacex-live-streaming-on-youtube-for-all-space-enthusiasts?

sign it

>> No.15719153

>>15718965
>>15718973
sustainer stage implies side-mounted "booster" stage, traditionally solid fueled
>>15719005
where did I leave that "popsci mush" image

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>>15719145

>> No.15719159

>>15719145
Go back

>> No.15719166

QRD on the poo lander hop?

>> No.15719175

>>15719093
It probably varies depending on what you're using as fuel. HTP-RP1 seems like it'd have different characteristics from HTP-Hydrazine or HTP-Pentaborane.

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>>15719153

>> No.15719186

>>15719112
the Japanese count too sometimes when it's not too inconvenient

>> No.15719192

>>15719166
it farted

>> No.15719196
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>>15719196

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>>15719196

>> No.15719203

>>15719196
Not so yellow anymore

>> No.15719209

>>15719199
What the shit is that magma?

>> No.15719212
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>>15719196
>>15719198

>> No.15719223

>>15718922
The laws of physics doesn't say it's impossible to do for so little money.
So yes someone could do it.

>> No.15719227

>>15718644
>Kwajalein
My Hearts of Iron days have paid off for once.

>> No.15719228

>>15719209
Lava, but yes

>> No.15719231

>>15718740
>nuclear pulse propulsion
>people are too pussy for that
you're mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_nuclear_thermal_rocket

>> No.15719237

>>15719228
I didn't realize there was surface-level molten rock anywhere in the solar system but Earth, that's rad.

>> No.15719239

>>15719228
I hate location dependent words!
lava vs. magma
meteor vs meteoroid vs meteorite
planet vs moon

>> No.15719241
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>>15719239
>planet vs moon

>> No.15719248

>>15719008
It's fine. Copyright isn't actually enforceable. All this does is spawn platforms that don't give a shit and mirror the content.

>> No.15719254

>>15719101
YWNBAW

>> No.15719258

IM BOREEEDDD

WHENS THE NEXT LAUNCH FUCK

>> No.15719262

>>15719258
NIPPON In two days

>> No.15719264

>>15719199
WOW!

>> No.15719267

>>15719262
Prolly gonna scruuub

ugh

>> No.15719272

>>15719237
Yeeeeah buddy. If you want another interesting fact of the day—sort of counter intuitively, water ice is technically a mineral in geology. This is especially important in planetary geology, when you get past the asteroid belt and volatiles start behaving more like terrestrial structures as they form aggregate rocks and only exist in liquid form under similar conditions that form magma here in the inner solar system. When you hear about icy moons with cryovolcanism, water, in these instances, flows out like lava and cools on the surface into rocky ice.

>> No.15719282
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>>15719272
Behold! Lava!

>> No.15719283
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15719283

>>15719272
Behold! Magma!

>> No.15719285
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>>15719237
>>15719228
Its just gay ass liquid sulfur, Earth lava is way hotter

>> No.15719289 [DELETED] 

>>15719108
>it's only inconveniencing a few heckin' birds
Are you okay in the head? Your golemized ideology has already transformed a big chunk of this planet into a sewer and it just keeps going.

>> No.15719292

>>15719110
>Simple fact is human matters, human affairs, human progress and human civilization should take precedent above all
Exactly, which is why your likes should be handled with legendary levels of nightmarish brutality.

>> No.15719294

>>15719289
Show me the areas of this planet dedicated for rocket launch activities that have been transformed into a sewer

>> No.15719296
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>>15719282
>>15719283
>behold, a man!

>> No.15719297

>>15719294
>the mindless golem keeps looping over the rocket subroutine
A literal bot.

>> No.15719301

>>15719297
>retard equating environmental damaging sites with rocket launch sites

lol okay, looked at KSC lately?

>> No.15719303

>>15719289
Seething tranny.
The planet is doing just fine.
Maybe leave your hellhole left wing city once in a while?

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>>15719301
Artist's rendition of KSC if even one more launch is allowed

>> No.15719309

>>15719305
lmao

>> No.15719310

>>15719292
Humans are superior in human moral hierarchy. If you cannot comprehend this you're a bugman.

>> No.15719320

>mars landing exclusively on X

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>>15719282
>>15719283

>> No.15719323

>>15719320
ughhhh

>> No.15719327

>>15719320
By that point it'll be 4k60 capable so it's great.
The inconvenience is doing it before streaming is any good on twitter.

>> No.15719330

>>15719292
I'm mildly amused by existence of you and other permanently online Ted Kaczinski acolyte wannabees and I hope the irony is not lost on you
but you really should stop posting cringe like this

>> No.15719333

>>15719301
Please consult >>15719297

>> No.15719334

>>15719301
You should read the environmental impact review for LC-39A sometime
NASA points out that while rocket exhaust is currently completely unregulated by the EPA, it's byproducts are known pollutants

>> No.15719337

>>15719310
>Humans are superior in human moral hierarchy
That's what I'm saying. There is no moral quandary involved in your physical removal.

>> No.15719338

Was Apollo-Soyuz / Skylab part of the overall "Apollo" program?

>> No.15719340
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>>15719333
Suck my dick

>> No.15719343

>>15719340
You will never go to space.

>> No.15719345
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John Young in the late 70s

>> No.15719346
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>15719337
Seething so immensely.
Humans will launch an ever increasing number of rockets.
Your crying will not be cared about.

>> No.15719347

>>15719327
I doubt it will ever happen, there's a reason why every youtube competitor is dead

>> No.15719352

>>15719289
>third worlders turn their countries into sewers
>we must import more of them and turn out countries into sewers as well

>> No.15719353

>>15719241
>ifunny

>> No.15719354

>>15719347
You're retarded

>> No.15719355

>>15719145
No lol

>> No.15719356

>>15719352
Take your meds, currynigger.

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>>15719343
I don't have to

>> No.15719362

>>15719343
You have no place in this general posting garbage like that. Shame, anon.

>> No.15719364

>15719362
>responding to the schizo

>> No.15719369

>>15719338
yeah

>> No.15719370 [DELETED] 

>>15719362
Your general belongs on preddit, you deranged cuck fetishist.

>> No.15719371

>>15719338
I'd consider it more as part of AAP as opposed to Apollo proper

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15719381

Space is the place

>> No.15719383

>>15719381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7clqqbHZI

>> No.15719393

>>15719145
>give you name and email address and sign up
I'd rather just sign up to X and enjoy the streams

>> No.15719399

>>15719393
you can just make it up they don't check

>> No.15719409

Just to be super Clear

>> No.15719410

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djAw4q7LUFs

>concrete problems

SpaceX got 99 problems and they're all fondag

>> No.15719418
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Am I retarded? How would 4 radiator panels offset by 90° each shine on each other at all???

>> No.15719422
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>mfw I just realized this is the footprint for the Starship Gigafactory

godamn

>> No.15719423

>>15719418
if you can see it
then it can shine on u

>> No.15719424

>>15719418
Each panel radiates in all directions, it's not a collimated beam you fucking moron

>> No.15719425

>>15719418
because radiation isn't directed like that

>> No.15719426

>>15719418
>anon forgets light is a wave

>> No.15719427

>>15718894
>>15718898
Elon can go kill himself with that bullshit. Grifter faggot

>> No.15719435

>>15719426
light is a sphere

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>>15719426
>light is a wave
It is a corpuscule

>> No.15719440

>>15719435
a spherical wave you could say

>> No.15719446

>>15719334
that's because kerosene is nasty garbage, and solid rocket boosters are even worse
hydrolox exhaust is hot enough to cause nitrites and nitrates to form, which are bad

>> No.15719450

>>15719446
And none of it matters at all. The atmosphere is very large mixes quickly.

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>>15719426
Ok, and?

>> No.15719460

>advanced civilization
>lacks the wheel
>doesn't account for bacteria
Were martians retarded in War of the Worlds??

>> No.15719462

>>15719460
Yes many such cases. It's entirely due to authors having low iq and not being technical people.

>> No.15719464

>>15719459
You're still drawing the radiator panels as radiating in parallel to the panel. They are not. They are radiating spherically off of its surface.

>> No.15719465

>>15719460
They didn't believe in vaccines
>>15719462
You should have an engineer be your guy to bounce ideas off of, if you're gonna write sci-fi. I think it'd be good to have someone around who can convincingly techno-babble an explanation for whatever random magic you need to happen in a story, or point out technical flaws that aren't obvious to you the writer.

>> No.15719475

>>15719460
A nice kino WotW video game would be well appreciated. Or some sort of new film adaptation. I don't care for the Spielberg one. The story itself is public domain

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>>15719459
I give you the benefit of the doubt

>> No.15719480
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>>15719464
No this looks gay. Flat light for life. (((They))) want to convince you that light can be a sphere.

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>>15719459

>> No.15719483

>>15719482
It's not emanating directly from the body

>> No.15719485
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>>15719482
actually its more like

>> No.15719487

>>15719483
No but it is reflecting light and IR from one panel to the other

>> No.15719496
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>>15719480
Something more like this, I'm afraid.

>> No.15719499
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>> No.15719500

>>15719496
The net result is that you're radiating effectively half as much energy per unit surface area as you do using just two radiators.

>> No.15719503

3 radiators 120 degrees apart is the most efficient

>> No.15719506

>SpaceX is prohibited to RTLS at their Vandenberg launch site for much of the year. The reason is that seals may be scared by the supersonic boom on landing, panic and trample their pups. The airforce base people tried to get this this prohibition removed and failed.

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>>15719487
I'm afraid we are all retarded. I think this is right. The original anon raised a good point. And as >>15719503 said it's mathematically "best" to have three radiators that don't see eachother (although you could argue it could still be even more efficient to use four or more radiators that DO see eachother as long as your radiators are super efficient but this would require me to plug in math in excel and I don't want to do that right now)

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>>15719459
observe how, despite being at right angles to each other, the light bulb is illuminated by the other one.
radiators are light bulbs and any light from one lightbulb falling on anther lightbulb is not going into space where you want it.

>> No.15719521

It's not that easy in radiatortry

>> No.15719522

The solution is no radiator, delete the part

Hydrogen steamers only

>> No.15719526

>>15719399
Thats what I did for X. Super easy to sign up too.

The irony of the "petition" is lost on those retards

>> No.15719528

I will never forgive Elon

>> No.15719533

>>15719526
>give up convenience and force yourself onto this platform because elon needs to justify is $44 Billion impulse buy of twitter

ok

>> No.15719544

>>15719533
Youtube is dogshit and we all know it. We need to endure the growing pains of a new platform one way or another.
Is it retarded that elon wants to push twitter, of all fucking things, as this option? Yes. Is it retarded he wants to make twitter an everything app? Also yes. But we either go through the pains of choking out youtube now, or kick it down the road. Google is not going to get any better as a company and if it means having to watch SpaceX streams on “X” then fuck it I don’t care. I only watch from launch to booster landing anyways

>> No.15719545

now is the Era of the Geologist
the solar system is sterile and uninhabitable
but full of interesting rocks

>> No.15719548

>>15719506
Total Seal Death

>> No.15719549

>>15719544
Google is a big investor in SpaceX, the rivalry is illusory

>> No.15719552

>>15719545
Don't mind me just gonna put some topsoil over all those.

>> No.15719556

>>15719549
is it google or is it just Brin and Page individually

>> No.15719563

>>15719549
I forgot about that it is so fucking over

>> No.15719565

>>15719556
idunno

>> No.15719566

>>15719533
>signing up for a petition is more convenient than making a twitter account

>> No.15719567

>>15718611
So the debris field will be inside the blue area you say?

>> No.15719568

>>15719566
you may have the account but twitters video player is dogshit

>> No.15719569

I'd like to order 25 yards of top soil for my lawn on mars

and none of that cheap shit

>> No.15719570
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15719570

>>15718976
Combine it with some carbon to make it more stable and a bit of oxygen to give it that extra punch

>> No.15719572

>>15719544
>Youtube is dogshit and we all know it
>use without account
>can join pending live stream to be alerted when it starts
>rewind while live
>can speed up playback to catch back to live
>good quality
Where is the dogshit.

>> No.15719576

>>15719567
Yes, after the hotstage fails due to the force of 3 raptor engines caving in the shield causing a massive explosion and loss of both vehicles

>> No.15719577
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15719577

kind of a noob question but what programming language does Starship use?

>> No.15719578

>>15719145
>give you name and email address and sign up
this is the whole reason I avoid Ex

>> No.15719581

>>15719572
I'm not denying it has built up a shit load of quality-of-life features over the years, and I'm not arguing that X is better or could even match current YT any time soon (if ever)
But google sucks the big dick. Copyright spam, absolutely horrid relationships with content creators, automated strikes with no human-to-human resolution pathways, cryptoshit, ads have gotten way, way, WAY fucking worse if you are in bed and just want to watch some videos on mobile, account strikes for using adblockers recently...

>> No.15719582

Odds on orbital test on October 5th, my birthday?

>> No.15719584

>>15719569
>25 yards
you're literally missing two dimensions

>> No.15719586

>>15719584
Maybe he meant square yards? Dunno about the depth though, an inch? A mile deep?

>> No.15719591

>>15719584
He has a yard he wants covered and wants enough to stop 24 of his neighbors from getting any

>> No.15719595
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>>15719582
Hello fellow 10/5 anon

>> No.15719596

>>15719577
any big enterprise software project these days involves tons of different languages because they're all mostly abstracted off hardware and it's almost always better to go with expertise and comfort than with some theoretical best fit

>> No.15719597

>>15719582
About the same as the odds for October 4th. Assuming you're talking about 2024, of course.

>> No.15719598

>>15719577
>all of our software is created using Matlab
WTF lmao

>> No.15719600

>>15719584
a yard is 3 foot cubic

>> No.15719604

>>15719577
C++, C and MAYBE Ada in flight controls and MAYBE rust because they wanna try new things.
Don't listen to this retard >>15719596
Flight software is not an "enterprise codebase"

>> No.15719605

>>15718952
Wtf it broke out into perfect droid sounds lmfao

>> No.15719606

>>15719604
there's more to it than the code that flaps the flaps and throttles the engines

>> No.15719610

>>15719606
None of it runs on Starship. There is no crew cabin. There is only avionics all of which is programmed in the languages I mentioned.

>> No.15719615

>>15719485
nice
>>15719570
good idea anon I think I'm going to go facilitate the evaporation of part of my personal stash

>> No.15719617

>>15719282
Reminder that natural rivers meander and aren't straight

>> No.15719621

>>15719598
These days it's model => auto generated C/C++ => binary instead of model => team of autists => hand optimized assembly => binary.

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>>15719581
>account strikes for using adblockers recently
Prove to me that they weren't watching those "add supported" movies with an ad blocker.
I hate that shit even more because they don't go away when I click on the "Recently Uploaded" filter button

>> No.15719631

>>15719621
>team of autists creates optimized assembly program from autogenerated binary
i can assure you this only happens at boeing.
normal companies write c++ and compile it to a binary and its done.
>inb4 he doesn't believe it

>> No.15719634

>>15719606
nope, it literally is that simple, they have an Arduino and from it wires run to the servos that actuate the flaps.

>> No.15719638

>>15719621
>hand optimized assembly
It's not the 60s anymore grandpa
we have compilers and spare memory now

>> No.15719639

>>15719631
>team of autists creates optimized assembly program from autogenerated binary
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, anon; the team of autists go from model to assembly on their own.
>inb4 he doesn't believe it
Model driven development makes it harder for human made errors to creep in after the model is validated; it is slowing taking over for control systems.

>> No.15719641

>>15718723
What a nerd that's amazing

>> No.15719642

>>15719634
and a whole codebase at starbase that's constantly monitoring, analyzing, and sending information to it

>> No.15719645

>>15719584
in landscaping parlance they generally just drop the "cubic" for sake of brevity

>> No.15719647

>>15719642
>codebase at starbase
he was asking about starship.
i hate people who use the word enterprise so much.

>> No.15719648

>>15719577
Probably Rust. Also gb2r

>> No.15719654

>>15719638
coding is the 60s was so much simpler

>> No.15719659

>>15719654
Depends if you let the jew into your code or not.
It can be equally simple or even simpler due to less constraints today.

>> No.15719660

>>15719647
pretending like starship is an isolated system doesn't help anybody understand anything
stop being a loser and acknowledge the nuance to the situation that it needs to actually explain how a modern spaceship is driven by software

>> No.15719663 [DELETED] 

>>15719659
>Depends if you let the jew into your code or not.
How do I avoid letting the kike into my code? KISS???

>> No.15719667

>>15719663
Yes but also if you got a stupid acronym for what you do when you write code you're already doing it wrong

>> No.15719670 [DELETED] 

>>15719667
Please tell me how to keep the Jew out of my code. I want to keep my code clean at all costs

>> No.15719671

>>15719670
Use punch cards. Punch the holes manually.

>> No.15719680

>>15719584
No I gave you everything you need to know

>> No.15719682

>>15719670
Don't use emacs.

>> No.15719684

>/sfg/ talking about yards of topsoil, programming and what "multiple" means

>> No.15719687

>>15719584
also convert into an SI based unit such a cubic kilometre

>> No.15719689

>>15719684
>and what "multiple" means
How could anyone get that wrong? it means more than two

>> No.15719691

>>15719689
it means gequal two

>> No.15719712

>>15718903
then don't watch the stream, its that simple

>> No.15719714

Programmable topsoil

>> No.15719715

>>15719228
*outer space lava

>> No.15719717

single use code

>> No.15719721

Am I retarded or is there no live chat for streams or spaces on X? I looked everywhere and can't find one.

>> No.15719724

>>15719721
the tweet responses are the live chat

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>>15719034
>>15719050
[schizo-autism warning]
The real solution is to have one feet in darknet. Tor but also I2P because I2P supports torrents and comes with a torrent client. You can seed big spicy video files and host whatever website you want which link to those. You can host shit from your bedroom even, and nobody can take it down, especially if you're not the world's top pedoterrorist or something, and you follow basic opsec. Some copyright claim has no chance. I also maintain a list of darknet chans in case 4chan gets le heckin' cancelled.

Likewise on the payment front, have one feet in Monero. Unlike all other cryptocurrencies this one is actually private. This is battle tested on darknet drug markets and courts. The likes of Paypal, Gofundme, and Patreon can and do take stuff down regularly just because it's not pozzed enough. Non-Monero cryptos get tracked and your wallet can get flagged. Meanwhile nobody knows who paid what to what Monero address.

I run I2P and Monero nodes. It's nice to know if you're autistic enough you can totally contribute in a real way to running this whole BasedStack™ as I call it. Just that more people need to catch anal schizo-autism to care about all this. On the flip side, normies always choosing convenience over privacy is exactly why this will be safe from them.

>> No.15719730

>>15719712
Yeah I won't

>> No.15719732

>>15719008
copyright and defamation/libel laws should be illegal

>> No.15719735

>>15719727
>I also maintain a list of darknet chans in case 4chan gets le heckin' cancelled.
care to share? Is nanochad still a thing?

>> No.15719738

>>15719717
That was essentially the Saturn V computer, it was pretty much all manually coded right?

>> No.15719739

>>15719732
Copyright is not enforceable in the limit.
And it seems to converge fairly quickly.
I can watch every movie for free without fear of prosecution no need to even torrent or other p2p just website in a country that doesn't care.

>> No.15719761
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>To be super clear, I’m pro free speech, but against anti-Semitism of any kind
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698750300474016250
what a bitch ass lmao

>> No.15719768
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How far into testing Raptor 3 have they gotten?

>> No.15719771

>>15719768
Ask Elon

>> No.15719772

>>15719739
for some reason it's enforceable in Germany.

>> No.15719773

>>15719761
Reas the replies, he said it because ADL is trying to shut the platform down lmao

>> No.15719776

>>15719773
he wouldnt be saying anything is he wasnt afraid of then

>> No.15719784
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>>15719776
He is afraid, they are swaying advertisers to avoid the site to kill it kek. Maybe it's for the better. ADL can't stop SpaceX from going to Mars which is where his attention needs to be anyways

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>>15719773

>> No.15719788
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>>15719761
He's free speech except when it comes to them

>> No.15719790

>>15719786
OI VEY SHUT IT DOWN

>> No.15719793

>>15719786
no way ADL is so powerful. They can bring down entire companies.

>> No.15719794

>>15719784
>ADL can't stop SpaceX from going to Mars

>> No.15719795

>>15719773
>>15719776
>>15719784
They're obviously not gonna succeed.
He could slim twitter down all the way until it runs on subscription money.

>> No.15719802

>>15719795
They can make phone calls to google and apple and have them removed from the app stores. Also isn’t twitter running on google host software?

>> No.15719806

>>15719802
Tim Apple and Elon has entered an uneasy alliance against

>> No.15719809

>>15719802
>They can make phone calls to google and apple and have them removed from the app stores
no lol

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>>15719795

>> No.15719817

>>15718621
>>15718638
I can't fucking believe the twitter bullshit is going to ruin the historical records of SpaceX.

>> No.15719820

>>15719806
>Tim Apple
lol I forgot about that

>> No.15719821

>>15719811
Oh, it's not the Jewish owners and executives who have power. It's some rando head of the ADL who they will obey without question. News to me.

>> No.15719826

>>15719821
they're a close bunch and ADL unironically yields a lot of power

>> No.15719833

Launch in 4 days, guys

>> No.15719838

>>15719833
Next Spaceflight says it's gonna be suborbital

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>>15719833
two weeks

>> No.15719846

>>15719370
Why the fuck are you even here you gay nigger faggot? Go back to x

>> No.15719851

>>15719833
launch in 5-11 days

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9Y47_BQjI

>> No.15719860

Thank god we're finally back on topic

>> No.15719861

>>15719851
is this an independent estimate?

>> No.15719862

>>15719833
NET October

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https://spacenews.com/esa-to-set-target-for-first-ariane-6-launch-after-upcoming-tests/

> WASHINGTON — The European Space Agency plans to set a target launch period for the first Ariane 6 in October, with the hopes that vehicle can finally take flight “not too late” into 2024.

> At a Sept. 4 briefing, officials from ESA and other partners on the Ariane 6 said they should be able to announce a range of dates for the rocket’s inaugural launch after a pair of static-fire tests of the rocket’s core stage and its Vulcain 2.1 engine on the launch pad in Kourou, French Guiana.

> The first of those tests, slated to last about four seconds, is scheduled for Sept. 5. That will be followed by a 470-second test on Oct. 3 that, if successful, will provide what ESA calls “flight-ready” qualification for the core stage.

> A final static-fire test of the upper stage is planned for this fall, again at Lampoldshausen, to test the performance of the stage in “degraded” conditions and other mission profiles. “I don’t think there will be a difficulty to make this test in due time,” Sion said, noting that the test was needed to demonstrate the reliability of the vehicle.

>> No.15719870

>>15719863
>starship is going to launch twice before ariane 6 launches once
its over. i also think 3 starship launches total will happen in 2023, 8 in 2024

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https://spacenews.com/dod-satellites-in-low-earth-orbit-promise-more-connectivity-for-military-users/

> WASHINGTON — With its first 23 satellites in orbit, the U.S. Space Development Agency in the coming months will begin the demonstration phase of a data network in space designed to support military operations.

> SpaceX on Sept. 2 launched SDA’s second batch of satellites. The agency now has 19 communications satellites and four missile-tracking spacecraft in orbit. These make up the Tranche 0 portion of a projected network known as the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture.

>> No.15719873

>>15719863
>hopes that vehicle can finally take flight “not too late” into 2024.
What do you think the odds are that it'll slip into 2025?

>> No.15719877

>>15719873
I think it will launch in 2024. Vulcan, similarly, has a good chance.
I can’t say the same about New Glenn

>> No.15719878

>>15719873
50-50
either it happens or doesnt

>> No.15719885

>>15719859
>If I were a betting man and I wanted to answer the million dollar question of when will it launch
>I would guess... September 25th

>> No.15719886

>>15719821
yes they obey the head jew

>> No.15719888

>>15719721
>no live chat for streams
sounds based to me

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https://spacenews.com/chinese-scientist-proposes-solar-system-wide-resource-utilization-roadmap/

> HELSINKI — Chinese space scientists have outlined a tentative roadmap for establishing a space resources utilization network stretching into the outer reaches of the solar system.

> Wang Wei, a scientist affiliated to CASC, China’s main space contractor, and the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), is proposing a four-stage roadmap for a space resources utilization project which would, eventually, span the entire solar system by 2100.

> The initiative is titled Tiangong Kaiwu and takes its name from Ming Dynasty scientist Song Yingxing’s work, “The Exploitation of the Works of Nature.” It proposes developing strategic mineral resources, utilizing off-world water-ice for fuel, creating transport and supply nodes, and establishing a space resource development system.

> It envisions initially constructing water-ice resource development facilities on the moon. Water can be separated into hydrogen and oxygen and used as propellant. These capabilities would be used to expand to near-Earth asteroids, Mars, main-belt asteroids and the moons of Jupiter.

> The project would establish supply routes and chains using gravitationally balanced nodes at Earth-Moon Lagrange point 1, Sun-Earth L1 and L2, Ceres and Sun-Jupiter L1.

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https://www.space.com/chandrayaan-3-rover-lander-sleep-mode

Chandrayan-3 going to sleep

>> No.15719897

>>15719894
It will wake up

>> No.15719898

>>15719889
They won’t do anything until someone else tries it first and learns all the hard R&D lessons for them. This is how the chink spirit of exploration functions

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>>15719894
https://twitter.com/isro/status/1698010732128764164?s=20

>> No.15719900

S25's SPMT has arrived to move it to the OLM

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>>15719811

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>>15719899
https://twitter.com/isro/status/1698618694795219401?s=20

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>>15719904

>> No.15719910

>>15719897
inshallah

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>>15719908

>> No.15719917

>>15719908
Jai hind mountains were moved mashallah

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>>15719897

>> No.15719937

>>15719910
>>15719917
wrong roleplay benchod bloody basterd

>> No.15719940

>>15719937
I root for she, You arr the fucking

>> No.15719954

>>15719894
Jesus fucking christ, I can already see all the good morning, sir posts.

>> No.15719966

>>15719917
I thought this was the first hop, but Surveyor 6 did it back in 1967

I REQUIRE MORE HOPS

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>>15719966

>> No.15720005

what if they spun a wheel up to really fast then let it run across the moon

how many miles would it run before it ran out of speed

>> No.15720006

>>15719873
very low, the rocket is done

>> No.15720016

>>15720005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjandrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cyBcGDzQzI

>> No.15720017

>>15720005
>a cosmologist tries to do physics
Approximately a million years, give or take seven orders of magnitude

>> No.15720021

>>15720006
And when was SLS this particular grade of "done?"

>> No.15720022

>>15720005
How long would a Beyblade spin if you let 'er rip on the moon

>> No.15720027

Rollout tonight according to Starship Gazer

>> No.15720031

>>15719966
>probe does weird thing out of nowhere
>"was it the first time?"
>anon points out a random probe from decades ago did it before
this is one of the moments I remember why I love this hobby

>> No.15720032

so no star ship orbital test this year
when next year, like march?

>> No.15720033

>>15720027
no closures yet though

>> No.15720037

>>15720032
why is it not going orbital already?

>> No.15720041

>>15719584
You got soft hands boy

>> No.15720042

>>15720037
because nothing is ready lol
he's just driving mockups and prototypes around pretending its flight hardware

>> No.15720045 [DELETED] 

>the flashlight uses a shorter wavelength of light, an x-ray/gamma-ray, which is passively produced by a radioisotope. The innovative technology is the EmberCore" radioisotope being developed by Ultra Safe Nuclear Corporation (USNC) to enable lunar night survival by keeping lunar rovers and landers warm through the cold lunar night. By slightly modifying EmberCore the x-ray/gamma-ray flashlight can be produced which would have a beam strength orders of magnitude greater than what has been previously deployed in space. This intensity provides a significant source of light that will be able to travel over many kilometers, interact with the ground, and then bounce back towards a sensor.
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/EmberCore_Flashlight/
This is obviously some sort of anti-tardigrade deathray

>> No.15720046

>>15720042
stop wasting time on 4chan and go work on new glenn, Bezos.

>> No.15720052
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>the flashlight uses a shorter wavelength of light, an x-ray/gamma-ray, which is passively produced by a radioisotope. The innovative technology is the EmberCore" radioisotope being developed by Ultra Safe Nuclear Corporation (USNC) to enable lunar night survival by keeping lunar rovers and landers warm through the cold lunar night. By slightly modifying EmberCore the x-ray/gamma-ray flashlight can be produced which would have a beam strength orders of magnitude greater than what has been previously deployed in space. This intensity provides a significant source of light that will be able to travel over many kilometers, interact with the ground, and then bounce back towards a sensor.
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/EmberCore_Flashlight/
This is obviously some sort of anti-tardigrade deathray

>> No.15720064

>rollout tonight
>maybe stack tomorrow
>marine notices
>fcc approval
>nasa airplane listed for flight
>spacex boat in the area
soon

>> No.15720065

>>15720005
The absolute state of /sci/ poster intelligence.

>> No.15720070

>>15720064
Nooooooo they simply CANT launch+!!!!!!!!+++!!

>> No.15720073

https://x.com/tlpn_official/status/1698832101876081115
Some anon that worked at the TLP showed his power level, which of you was it, come on now speak up.

>> No.15720074

>>15720042
lmao
>he
as expected

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>>15719811
>>15719786
>>15719761
I wish there was some sort of Space flight general to put this all in, since its about spaces flight and all.

>> No.15720080
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The hot stage ring will NOT collapse and destroy the entire pad

>> No.15720087

>>15719908
>hop

wait.... what?

>> No.15720088

>>15720080
There's no reason for it collapse anywhere near launch and liftoff

>> No.15720090

>>15720073
Kek I wanna know what was said

>> No.15720091

>>15719802
The app is literally just the website.

>> No.15720093

>>15720079
the only fights here are baseduz capsules vs female american astronauts

>> No.15720096
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>>15720079
Spaceflight lives or dies by the actions and inactions of Elon Musk. No one else is remotely relevant.

>> No.15720101

She did not drill the hole
She did not

>> No.15720110

>>15720080
It took the can crusher with no discernible effect.

>> No.15720113

Anons who are reading, what stage do you think IFT-2 makes it to? Options are liftoff, Max-Q, MECO, Stage Sep., and Reentry (these are all that they perform successfully).

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>> No.15720116

>>15720113
It'll be worse than IFT-1 if SN9 is anything to go by.

>> No.15720117

>>15720113
I would like to say at least stage sep but we have no idea how the hot stage ring, or electric TVC raptors will fare.
And then hotstaging might go wrong and obliterate both vehicles.
And even if it works, it’s possible Ship 25 loses too many engines and crashes into the sea without reaching near-orbit

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Good morning /sfg/

>> No.15720119

>>15720113
The real sticking point will be staging, specifically whether they have the thrust balanced between stages so that Starship has proper ullage and Superheavy doesn't boink it.

>> No.15720121

>>15720116
SN9 almost made it to the end of the flight. This would be more akin to a re entry failure

>> No.15720122

>>15720118
cunt

>> No.15720125

>>15720119
I don’t know why they don’t just cut the engines after staging. Superheavys TWR will be super high even with 3 engines only due to being an empty can

>> No.15720127

>>15720113
It will explode at re-entry

>> No.15720129

>>15720125
>I don’t know why they don’t just cut the engines after staging
Because #NeverStopThrusting #69 #420

>> No.15720130

>>15720121
How can there be a reentry failure if they dont even plan for it to land safely? They wanted IFT-1 to break up on reentry and they want the same now. If anything that would be a success.

>> No.15720131

>>15720118
Abbo

>> No.15720132

>>15720125
In theory it gives you about 10% improvement in performance, but since S25 isn't carrying anything... I don't really see the point.

>> No.15720134

>>15720127
Ok so you just think the mission will be a complete success then.

>> No.15720137

>>15720118
Aliens R Gay

>> No.15720138

>>15720122
rude

>> No.15720142

>>15720134
Complete success would be belly flopping on the water. So no.

>> No.15720144

>>15720113
Starship will survive reentry and crossrange to Kauai setting its forest ablaze.

>> No.15720147

>>15720142
Retard they plan for it to burn up on reentry IF THEY EVEN GET THERE. You think complete success is something they arent even aiming for.

>> No.15720146

>>15720125
>I don’t know why they don’t just cut the engines after staging.

We don't know if they are going to leave engines on or reignite them for the boostback.

>> No.15720153

>>15720113
Orbit

. The pressure of the raptors from the ship will rip apart the hot-stage structure. The booster will become useless.
The ship in the other hand , will reach orbital velocity flawlessly .
At reentry , the ship survives miraculously and it lands onto some poor coast guard patrol ship. SpaceX is grounded .

Mars is locked in forever

>> No.15720157

>>15720147
They didn't plan for the last flight to get as far as it did, either. You never know if the tiles they currently have on will perform better than expected.

>> No.15720158

>>15720118
'Roo

Kangaroo

Cunt

Dropbear

>> No.15720159

>>15720144
Now that would be a blessing from god.

>> No.15720161

>>15720157
It will be unguided ballistic during reentry as per IFT-1 license. That will ensure it doesn't survive

>> No.15720162

>>15720153
If the booster fucking detonated won’t that take out the ship too?

>> No.15720165

>>15719898
So fucking true lol, with a good hack and backdoor infil of the main space agencies and companies along the way

>> No.15720166

>>15720162
Anon means the exhaust from the Raptors will rip open the top of the booster despite the shielding on the hot staging ring not that it will cause the booster, which will be mostly empty of methalox by this time, to explode.

>> No.15720167

>>15720153
Suborbit*

>> No.15720170

They're prepping the bull for rollout

>> No.15720172

>>15719595
Predigenous

>> No.15720173

>>15720064
forgot
>FTS brought to the booster

>> No.15720174
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15720174

Reminder to never listen to doomers.

>> No.15720175

>>15720174
>sugar cold
also why are you posting this

>> No.15720176

>not using torque wrenches when attaching your spacecraft to the transporter
>literally just giving her with the impact like you're building a shed

>> No.15720178

>>15720113
RSO slips and presses the FTS button at T+4 seconds

>> No.15720179

>>15720175
Youre not slick Zack. Im posting it because you fucking doomers are going to do the same song and dance for IFT-2 that you did for IFT-1 and Im making sure that /sfg/ wont fall for your tricks.

>> No.15720181

>>15720144
>>15720159
TOTAL CHICKEN DEATH (TCD)

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>>15720174
I still can't believe they recovered from THIS. Like HOLY SHIT

>> No.15720185

>>15720176
maybe they're using a squirter (sex) washer

>> No.15720186

Can someone make a Starship Cobson?

>> No.15720187

>>15720165
Kek precisely

>> No.15720188

>>15720113
I'm worried that the rocket will not survive 1 hot staging just like how the pad didn't survive 1 take off like spacex had predicted.

>> No.15720189

>>15720186
>Cobson
NAS coal

>> No.15720190

>>15720174
you mean brown people

>> No.15720192

>>15720188
>I'm worried
Why?

>> No.15720193

>>15720174
so far he's right. starship hasnt launched again all year and time is running out

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>>15720189
>actually calling cobson coal

>> No.15720195

>>15720188
As long as SH raptors don’t shit the fucking bed (PLEEEEEASE) it will at least make it to stage sep, and I’m confident at that point SS can cleanly light up and try to separate. After that I don’t give a shit what happens. SH might fail to do a simulated landing bc of raptor problems on relight. SS might blow up on reentry. That would suck, yes. But if it fails the same way they last flight did then it’s gonna feel like absolutely zero progress was made

>> No.15720196

>>15720179
stop twitterposting you fucking queer

>> No.15720200

>>15720174
iirc he explain in a deep dive video after that that the damage wasn't as bad as he initially assumed or something

>> No.15720202

any other space company/agency would have tested the hot staging ring with a static fire

>> No.15720205

>>15720196
Rope immediatly you D&C discord troon, YWNBAW

>> No.15720207

>>15720205
literal brainrot

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Musk is doing it again

>> No.15720213

>>15720211
Interesting article

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No way I didn't know Falcon 9 was this big wtf

>> No.15720221

>>15720216
this does NOT paint SLS in a good light. the falcon vs starship one was reasonable for a medium lift vs super heavy lift vehicle comparison

>> No.15720223

>>15720196
>tranny calls others queer

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>>15720216
And Starship is even bigger.

>> No.15720225

>>15720224
well obviously that I know I just didn't know Flacon9 was so big

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getting ready

>> No.15720234
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>>15720211
We’re never getting to Mars are we

>> No.15720237

>>15720234
Sorry Vlad, but you arent.

>> No.15720238

>>15720234
shit wrong pic but topkek I forgot I had that in the vault

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how long before some dronenigger does this too a telescope?

>> No.15720254

>>15720252
?

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>>15720252
The fire rises

>> No.15720256

>>15720252
Enjoy the vacation, off topic troon

>> No.15720271

>>15720256
drones fly and are in space
its on topic

>> No.15720277

>>15720252
>>15720255

The telescopes in hawaii are contentious. It probably would be worth the money to physically prevent something like this from happening

>> No.15720278

>>15720277
how would you prevent it?

>> No.15720285

>>15720252
I don’t know his motive but this is kinda funny lol

>> No.15720287

>>15720278
simple drone jammer

>> No.15720298
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>>15720287
Doesn't work on drones flying a pre programmed route

>> No.15720305

>>15720184
reusable OFTs

>> No.15720307

>>15720287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXjGto5-AvA
doesn't work

>> No.15720309
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>>15719439
Sure thing Feynmann, how do corpuscles self interfere and diffract?

>> No.15720312
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>>15719475
There's some crazy bastards making one right now
https://www.youtube.com/@waroftheworldsgame9026/videos

>> No.15720314

>>15720298
>>15720307
GPS jamming.

>> No.15720318

>>15720271
>drones fly and are in space
>its on topic
they hated him because he told the truth

>> No.15720320
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ITS HAPPENING!! /sfg/ must prepare for the incoming onslaught of tourists.

>> No.15720321

>>15720314
doesn't work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzs3dQ9exw

>> No.15720322

>>15720309
Huygens was an opium addict - 'Its all, like, waves maaan'

>> No.15720325

>>15720320
>incoming onslaught of tourists
Yup and it started with (you) apparently

>> No.15720326

>>15720320
I will be advertising /sfg/ on multiple other boards, as usual

>> No.15720328

>>15720326
die

>> No.15720329

>>15720321
CIWS systems.

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>>15720329
doesn't work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w5apnkCZqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WwtByvSI0

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>>15720320
>>15720114

>> No.15720341

>>15720339
https://youtu.be/yKhR8RFY6sQ

>> No.15720355
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TOTAL BEETLE DEATH
SMASH 'IM

>> No.15720361
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What if the hot staging ring collapsing during stack

>> No.15720362

No one is gonna let elon launch starship 3 times a month, let alone 3 times a day

>> No.15720365

>>15719786
ADL seems to be going after him since he believes that George Soros is evil with the way he funds DAs in California or whatever, and that leap of logic somehow leads to antisemetic views or something.

>> No.15720371

>>15720174
>Reminder to never listen to ____ers.

>> No.15720372
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15720372

Okay literally WHAT THE FUCK did he mean by this

>> No.15720374

>>15718965
>sustainer
holy shit dude

>> No.15720377

>>15718984
Still has shit density, 80 kg/cubic meter. 80 fuckin GRAMS per liter.

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>>15720372
>look at our rocket that we will never build

>> No.15720382

>>15720372
vulcan is insanely big compared to starship. much higher energy too

>> No.15720385

>All the launch streamers on YouTube got significantly increased viewer numbers for this launch compared to before
lel

>>15719581
YouTube is the worst video platform except for all the others.

>>15720113
I think it'll make it to MECO and at proper altitude and speed this time because if it doesn't they're really fucking up. After that I think stage sep is the highest likelihood for failure, whether due to something in the myriad of changes for hotstaging fucking up, the hotstaging ring simply being insufficient and leading to catastrophic failure, or not all Starship Raptors igniting because reliability still isn't there yet. If it somehow just works (possible but not as likely imo) I'd fully expect it to burn up on reentry.

>>15720372
Have to make Boing and Locksneed happy somehow, they won't give him money for proper reuse so he has to make BO-tier infographics to make it look like ULA isn't in a very precarious position

>> No.15720387

>>15720372
Wait, is that supposed to be Vulcan? Why is there a tiny SS/SH next to a short F9?

>> No.15720388

>>15720382
kek

>> No.15720389
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15720389

>spacex workers whooping at the sheriff

>> No.15720391

>>15720372
>design a rocket to have very large first stage
>prove conclusively that doing a boostback burn would be inefficient for a rocket with such a big first stage
>conclude that your design is optimal
It makes perfect sense if you assume that the people who made this graph had nothing to do with the rocket's design and are contriving a post hoc explanation.

>> No.15720392

>>15720338
Air density

>> No.15720395

>>15719005
Hydrogen requires so little energy to boil that the fucking mote of energy released as each molecule flips isospins or whatever is enough to boil off more than half of what you just condensed, even before you consider heat leaking in from outside.
Pipes and other things containing liquid hydrogen which get exposed to the atmosphere are so cold that the gasses in the air will start to condense out and even freeze, if they manage to become trapped in the rapidly forming water-frost buildup. Basically your rocket needs insulation and what you can't insulate is gonna have to deal with a fuckton of hydrogen bubbles building up inside as well as thick ice deposits outside.
Also hydrogen forms hydrides with most metals and alloys, and hydrides are universally brittle. These deposits form in microcracks and help spread them wider and deeper, embrittling the object. If that object is a turbine blade in your engine, your rocket explodes.

>> No.15720396

>>15720372
>Okay literally WHAT THE FUCK did he mean by this

ULA bet on the wrong architecture so Tory has to lie and pretend Vulcan has a higher direct to GEO payload than Starship.

>> No.15720399

>>15720256
strong patrick tomlinson vibes

>> No.15720403

>>15719133
It took me a very long time to finally intuitively understand how the path of an orbit would look on a standard flat map projection.

>> No.15720404

>>15720385
>or not all Starship Raptors igniting because reliability still isn't there yet

None of the shutdowns during the static fires were due to issues with the Raptors themselves.

>b-but all those Raptors shut down during IFT-1

There was literally a fire in the engine section that you can see on Tim Dodd's 4k video.

>> No.15720406

>>15720403
Depends on inclination, it would basically be a straight line for anything launched from Kennedy on a 0 degree inclination... wait not sure cause Kennedy is not on the equator..

>> No.15720408

>>15720395
>If that object is a turbine blade in your engine, your rocket explodes
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if this was why New Shepard blew up a ago year as well as why it hasn't flown since.

>> No.15720409

>>15720372
Am I retarded? I don't even know how to read this "graph"

>> No.15720411

>>15720372
>Make worlds largest rocket look tiny on cope infographic

goddamn oldspace just launch some shit you lazy fucks

>> No.15720412

>>15720409
Just goes to show the length and degree of mental gymnastics that went into making it

>> No.15720414

>>15720372
I can't believe ULA already has a 150km tall rocket

>> No.15720416

>>15720409
The people the graph is intended for aren't supposed to "interpret" it. They're just supposed to look at it and feel comforted and reassured that ULA is still on the right course. We're only being shown it because other people being seen while seeing it is also an important part of the presentation.

Our rather accurate and sarcastic commentary on it is not.

>> No.15720417

>>15720414
Hahahahah

>> No.15720425

>>15720406
You can only really do a 0 degree inclination at the equator, trying to launch at a lower inclination than your latitude takes large amounts of delta V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIXiK41yl_w

>> No.15720429

>>15720425
Wait so what was Skylabs inclination, same as Kennedy right

>> No.15720431

ROLL OUT

>> No.15720432

>>15720429
I'm pretty sure all of the Saturn launches went due east out of the cape into a 28 degree orbit.

>> No.15720433

>>15720409
it's a cope that shows that by staging higher and burning hydrogen in stage 2, its payload capacity doesn't drop off as quickly in higher orbits.
this is true, but it is cope because vulcan is still obsolete before its first flight

>> No.15720438

>>15720377
>Still has shit density, 80 kg/cubic meter. 80 fuckin GRAMS per liter.
wow and here i thought solid hydrogen was good

>> No.15720439

>>15720429
Skylab was put into a 50 degree orbit.

>> No.15720440

>>15720361
The design has been on the can crusher.
It probably holds 2x of what's required for max acceleration.

>> No.15720442

>>15720372
god imagine if vulcan was that big AND expendable

>> No.15720443

>>15720361
There is a good possibility, and if would be absolutely catastrophic.

>> No.15720444

>>15720372
>vulcan is nearly 300 meters tall

>> No.15720447

>>15720443
>and if would be absolutely catastrophic
it wouldn't do shit. an empty ship collapsing would do nothing to the olm

>> No.15720448

>>15720439
why?

>> No.15720449

>>15720433
burning hydrogen doesn't actually help with this, it only lets them use a smaller first stage to stage higher and faster

>> No.15720450

does anyone have the blogpost from some space military blog about starships inclination change ability, it was something absurd like 70 degrees

>> No.15720452

>>15720450
nvm found it
https://warontherocks.com/2021/06/physics-gets-a-vote-no-starcruisers-for-space-force/
>We are all for gaining refueling capabilities on-orbit, but for different reasons than one might think. Once the Space Force can have hundreds of millions of pounds of propellant in space waiting to refuel spacecraft, it will have the means to greatly improve freedom of movement and prolong the lifetime of satellites. But that will not make space operations analogous to air operations. Even Starship’s large delta-v budget is too small to enable it to match the orbit of many satellites. We calculated that if a fully loaded Starship is in an equatorial orbit (zero-degree inclination) at an altitude of 250 miles (400 kilometers), it would barely have enough delta-v to match the International Space Station’s orbit, at 51 degrees inclination. It definitely could not match satellites in sun-synchronous orbits, which have an inclination of about 98 degrees and are a common orbit for Earth observation satellites.

>Even Starship’s large delta-v budget is too small to enable it to match the orbit of many satellites. We calculated that if a fully loaded Starship is in an equatorial orbit (zero-degree inclination) at an altitude of 250 miles (400 kilometers), it would barely have enough delta-v to match the International Space Station’s orbit, at 51 degrees inclination
i mean 51 degrees is still pretty crazy right?

>> No.15720455

>>15720452
easy, put depots at 2 or 3 different inclinations and 2 or 3 different altitudes

>> No.15720458

>>15720452
>i mean 51 degrees is still pretty crazy right?
Yeah. It's like 2/3rds of what's needed to get to orbit, including air resistance/gravity losses. However it's obvious that being ready to launch at a moment's notice is better for this purpose than leaving stuff in orbit.

>> No.15720460

>>15719285
Io's magma is likely much hotter than Earth's, as hot as the ancient komstite lava flows from Earth's past billions of rlyears ago. The hottest lava on Earth today barely reaches 1200 celsius, whereas Io's lava is modeled to be at least 1500 celsius, and perhaps over 1600 celsius.

>> No.15720462

>>15720326
And I will be advertising your mom on multiple ghettos, as per usual. This train is going to break multiple records.

>> No.15720464

>>15720452
>>15720455
Yeah between Starship's raw inclination ability, and the ability to refill at depots, you can probably send any payload to any orbit you could ever think of. SS is going to be fucking insane. Even if Musk's "Mars city" doesn't even come close to happening, Starship will still be an asinine rocket capable of forever changing the industry

>> No.15720467

>>15720460
I wonder if Io has an asthenosphere

>> No.15720471

>>15720161
>the FTS will blow human-sized holes in the tank, that will ensure it doesn't survive
the gayce shittle was a fragile little snowflake because the hot structure was aluminim for mass autism; starship has already proven stainless is structurally far superior
broken or missing tiles causing loss of vehicle on reentry would actually surprise me more than finding out that the tiles aren't even needed for LEO reentry at all

>> No.15720472

>>15719418
Things radiate in all directions, which means if you can draw a straight line from any point on the radiator to any point on the other radiator, the radiators can "see" each other and thus they are radiating heat onto each other, too.

>> No.15720478

>>15720448
Probably the same reason the ISS is at 51.6 degrees, so that the Soviets could get there from Baikonur.

Going to higher inclinations than your latitude is fine, you just lose a bit of the boost from the Earth's spin.

>> No.15720479

>>15719512
It's the inverse square law, and it only applies to pointlike sources. Linear sources follow the inverse law (twice as far, half the intensity), and planar sources don't drop off with distance.

Depending on how close to the meeting point of the radiators you are, the other radiator looks like either a linear or a transitionary linear/planar source.

>> No.15720482

>>15719584
you've never done concrete work, huh?

>> No.15720484

>>15720478
Soviets never docked at Skylab, fuck I hate this stupid accommodating the Soviets/Russians crap that led to retarded US station inclinations, China has the right idea

>> No.15720485

>>15719576
oh god youre right they never did the math on the force of the engines oh fuck

>> No.15720487

>>15719600
27 cubic feet, not 3.

>> No.15720488

>>15720372
>peak altitude at 110km
so how does dragon get to the ISS then? I seriously cannot even comprehend the number of extra chromosomes ULA infographic makers must have

>> No.15720492

>>15720488
peakalty of the booster

>> No.15720494

>>15720488
Seriously like what is the takeaway of this infogrpahic?! It's BO tier. Maybe even worse. At least BO shit has arguable speculation. This is just pure schizo

>> No.15720498
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WAGMI, thanks for stickin' around Starshipbros.

>> No.15720499

>>15720498
Starship Flight General

>> No.15720510

stack this week and probably a few tests. no way they launch. we'll probably get destack next week then wait for faa.

>> No.15720512

>>15720510
elon here
the faa is illegal and we will no longer follow their illegal laws

>> No.15720515

what's everyone else up to? what happened with all those chinese launch companies? did they go bankrupt?

>> No.15720517

>>15720512
hi elon. launch on 9/11 and crash starship into the launch tower

>> No.15720518

>>15720433
>>15720372
What's funny is that even by this extremely contrived and useless metric they chose, Falcon 9/SS is still ~3x as good until GSO, where Vulcan is only 10% better. Even their own graph shows their rocket is shit

>> No.15720527

>>15720409
the heights mentioned are just "height when the engines cut off" and "maximum height the booster coasts up to before falling".

Vulcan stages higher and goes higher so it's better or something I guess. The logic is pretty retarded, it's a total non-factor for LV performance. They are justifying their design architecture after the fact, basically.

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damnnit I lost my bfr critics collage. gotta go thorough my 723 screen grabs again.

>> No.15720535

>>15720467
They figure it has a magma ocean

>> No.15720537

>>15720531
I've been waiting for you collagebro, hope things are well, sorry for your loss but by god don't ragequit

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>>15720531
"They won't do more than one static fire in a single day"

>> No.15720544

>>15720484
>that led to retarded US station inclinations

What is retarded about the inclination?

>> No.15720548
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>>15720515
looks like one is launching today

>> No.15720552

>>15720548
I pray they stream the next LM5 launch

>> No.15720560

>birdapp arc has escalated into him getting into a jew naming fight with the ADL

COOL

He's going to get whacked over this if he keeps it up, why couldnt he just build the fucking rockets AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

>> No.15720565

>>15720560
His rocket would be useless if NASA/US Gov demands only trans/homosexuals are to be on Mars colony.

Which means, a dead colony.

>> No.15720566

>>15720548
Someone in Clear's chat mentioned that this might be getting streamed in wechat or something.

>> No.15720567

>>15720432
you are wrong

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>>15720498

>> No.15720576

>>15720518
The graph is meant to placate oldspace milboomers who live on direct to GEO.

>> No.15720581

>>15720566
wechat is even worse than xitter

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>>15720571

>> No.15720605
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15720605

Theoretically speaking, what's the fastest we could get an interstellar probe going if we used today's technology and sent it up to orbit on a Starship or similarly capable heavy launch vehicle?
Let's say it's a 100 ton wet mass probe, and we wanted to send it to the Centauri system to see what's actually there - either a flyby or put it into orbit around Alpha Centauri - could it get there in 100 years or less?

>> No.15720607
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>>15720605
>current technology
y helo thar

>> No.15720611

>>15720605
Uhhh our technology is dogshit and really using a fully refueled starship or a measly Atlas V wouldn’t make a damn difference. Just do something like breakthrough starshot

>> No.15720618

>>15720605
>>15720611
>YEET train says hi

>> No.15720621
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15720621

ITS OVER

>> No.15720622

>>15720621
what happened?

>> No.15720625

>>15720622
spmt died

>> No.15720626

>>15720372
>LEO REFUELLING DOESNT EXIST
>NO IT NEVER WILL EXIST
uh oh...

>> No.15720627

>>15720605
to get to proxima in 100 years it would need to be 700 times faster than voyager 1 (62 times faster than the parker probe), which seems doable
You could make the "launcher" really big and send it empty on a Starship, fuel it up with more Starships for a good start, but most of the speed would come from a lot of gravity assists

>> No.15720629

>>15720605
just make a big space telescope instead if you wanna research near exoplanets
at least you will see results in your lifetime

>> No.15720632

>>15720625
Get a dozen stout oxen on site to pull it

>> No.15720635

>>15720632
Keyed and amishpilled.

>> No.15720672

>>15719422
And that's just Phase 1

>> No.15720673

>>15719544
Slurping on that Elon cock

>> No.15720682

>>15720144
based honestly, fuck Hawaiians

>> No.15720689

>>15720314
>T-minus 30 seconds
>Guidance is internal
what now?

>> No.15720724

Have SPMTs been fixed?

>> No.15720729

>>15720689
Gattling guns firing 10G magnum shells.

>> No.15720740

How many two more weeks until next Starship launch?

>> No.15720747

>>15720372
Reminder that without a kickstage, Starship is irrelevant, and will only be launching Starlinks. The real shit happens BLEO.

>> No.15720749

>>15720740
We are IN the two week window now

>> No.15720752

>>15720747
Orbital refuel, Tory

>> No.15720757

>>15720747
No, the real shit happens in my ass

>> No.15720759

>>15720724
S25 already at launchpad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg&ab_channel=NASASpaceflight

>> No.15720764

>>15720759
they legally cant launch, they dont have faa permission

>> No.15720766
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So the question is will they lift it now or wait until the morning.

>> No.15720769

>>15720759
God damn theyre quick with it. Its already under the chopsticks? Jeez man so much quicker than IFT-1

>> No.15720771

>>15718719
>true crabs
They're not true crabs. They're closely related to the humble hermit crab which is also not a true crab but crayfish.

>> No.15720779

>>15720184
It looks like a missile strike or something ahaha

>> No.15720783

>>15720766
Already between chopsticks indicates lift now. They probably want to do some preflight testing of how the hot stage ring holds up under the real deal.

>> No.15720794

>>15720766
wtf. theyre not allowed to lift it. elon musk is an antisemitic fraud. spacex is a retarded private company. arrest them

>> No.15720819

Apparently Falcon 9 launches only cost SpaceX internally around 16m now

>> No.15720833

>>15720372
Boosters like Vulcans lower stage that are high energy i.e. stage at higher altitudes/speeds will lose more performance compared to low energy/low altitude/low top speed staged boosters like the falcon 9

Probably aldo tries to say that LEO optimized reuseavle boosters will have smaller payloads towards deep space missions, but that is kind of irrelevant if it costs like 5x, space tugs and the like will be a reliable and ubiquitous thing soon

Its mostly massive cope, obviously you have to design the rocket from ground up for reuse and not use a "high energy" booster staging architecture

>> No.15720834

>>15720372
It's just FUD bullshit, ignoring that the solids doing the lifting as training wheels are a stage that separates too.

>> No.15720838

>>15720747
Orbital refilling + spacetugs which are reusable as well and are developed by multiple separate companies

>> No.15720839

>>15720819
Source?

>> No.15720840

>>15720833
*Lose more efficency doing a boostback I mean as they have higher speed and thus need more propellant to slow down

>> No.15720846

Alright how soon is the launch?

>> No.15720850

>>15720846
Two weeks

>> No.15720885

>scots sound different from english
>white americans sound different from black americans
>australians sound different from new zealanders
i wonder what martian english will sound like

>> No.15720894

>>15720885
Depends on what nation floods it the most.

>> No.15720906
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>>15718611
They are laughing at you losers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VglZ9a6CEcE

>> No.15720918
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>>15720839

>> No.15720937

Man, Elon is going absolutely apeshit on twitter. Bro isn't going to see the year out at this rate.

>> No.15720973

>>15720937
the fate of all boomers who watch fox

>> No.15720980

Can you imagine landing of the moon with the soviet lander back then ? You come down the stairs alone. Nobody nowhere near close to help you . An entire celestial body just for you

>> No.15720984

>>15720973
The fuck are you even on about? Fox is full of ads to feed starving jews and whatnot.

>> No.15720985

>>15720937
seems pretty reasonable if you look at it objectively instead of thinking jews (or more specifically ADL, they are probably hiding behind jews in general to just drive their own pet policies) as a group should be beyond all criticism

>> No.15720991

>>15720984
its too late for you anon

>> No.15720992

>>15720985
>seems pretty reasonable if you look at it objectively

Lol, lmao even.

>> No.15720994

Anybody played High Frontier 4 All?

>> No.15720997

>>15720992
be specific, what is unreasonable?
or better yet, stop talking about off topic shit

>> No.15721003

>>15720997
>be specific, what is unreasonable

Saying anything bad about any jew, worse yet a group of Jews is pretty much the worst crime possible in the current society.

>> No.15721006

Can we stop with the offtopic ? Im not here to hear bullshit politics

>> No.15721029

Staging

>>15721028
>>15721028
>>15721028

>> No.15721081

>>15720338
retard, CIWS can intercept supersonic missiles

>> No.15721148

>>15720906
Haha benis

>> No.15721229
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>>15720517

>> No.15721236

>>15720627
be sure to wave as you go by it if you don't have a way to slow down when you get there

>> No.15721240

>>15720764
faa will give permission, but it will not be revealed until the last moment, this is to dodge the greenfags and other suefags

>> No.15721246

>>15720833
it is, of course, completely ignoring that you can just launch an entire Centaur upper stage with payload inside of Starship to LEO

>> No.15721484

>>15720839
The fact they reuse boosters 16 times now.

>> No.15721488

>>15720985
>>15720997
Boomers literally think that and they exist on 4chan in heavy numbers after 2016