/scg/ - STEM Career General

[Anonymous No.15711065]

"(((They))) hate this number" edition

Last thread: >>15670339

This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
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[Anonymous No.15711071]

>>15711065
How much research experience do I need to enter a prestigious uni? I only have one.

[Anonymous No.15711112]

>>15711065
Is there any way to meme myself into actually giving half a fuck about my EEt degree? Ive been coerced into taking this course, im a 3rd year student but im barely scraping through. Anything to motivate me would br appreciated.

[Anonymous No.15711144]

>>15711065
>lesser than 7
Written by a pajeet.

[Anonymous No.15711148]

>>15711112
Unfortunately your adult life is typically characterized by constantly having to do things you don’t really feel like doing

[Anonymous No.15711152]

>>15711065
It would have to be numerus dei. Neither number or god is an adjective in latin

[Anonymous No.15711179]

>>15711148
thats been my whole life up to this point and i have nothing to show for it

[Anonymous No.15711180]

>>15711071
none.

[Anonymous No.15711182]

>>15711179
Welcome ta earf

[Anonymous No.15711264]

>>15711112
EEs make the big bucks esp. with a graduate degree. Stick with it and you'll have the $$ to care for you and your family. It's competitive so you need an internship though.

[Anonymous No.15711580]

>>15711264
We really don’t. The pay is garbage. Saturated field + hyperinflation + mass immigration without any upper limit, not even a theoretical one

[Anonymous No.15711607]

>>15711112
Just stick with it. It's a good degree and has plenty of job opportunities.
>>15711264
Depends on what you're doing but it's decent enough.

[Anonymous No.15711644]

>>15711182
i dont like earth then
>>15711264
thats the only thing that kinda pushes me but i don’t think it’s enough
>>15711607
i hope it is or im wasting a lot of time

[Anonymous No.15711673]

>>15711644
>but i don’t think it’s enough
And what exactly is enough? What other options do you have realistically? The time and money investment you've put into this degree might not transfer well into other degrees, and if they do they're probably going to be paying either than same or less than a standard EE job. Like I said before, get your degree, start looking into taking your FE exam to become an EIT, and start looking into getting some research co-ops or internships. Don't be like me and have no internship experience. Chances are you're really going to struggle.

[Anonymous No.15711844]

>>15711580
>The pay is garbage
>Saturated field + hyperinflation + mass immigration without any upper limit
Why do I feel like every STEM degree matches that description?
>no job
>no gf
>no house
>no future
It's over.
The West has fallen.

[Anonymous No.15711990]

>just started my neuroscience msc.
>no wish to enter academia
>main interests are neurodevelopment and neurodegenerative diseases

How do I carve out a decent career?

[Anonymous No.15712045]

I get interviewed for stuff more often than not, but I've still not received a job offer in the last 5 months.
Am I just too autistic for interviews?

[Anonymous No.15712079]

>>15712045
yes

[Anonymous No.15712090]

What is life like for the mechanical engineers on this board? I'm thinking about going back to college (dropped out) for a 4 year mechanical engineering degree

[Anonymous No.15712096]

Is it true you can make a decent living if you're willing to bounce around for a bit doing 1-3 postdocs after graduating? I don't mind moving around very much at this point.

[Anonymous No.15712234]

>>15711990
Isn't there a lot of funding for alzheimer's and dementia treatments? Big hospitals tend to have labs for that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.15712380]

>>15712096
>multiple postdocs
>multiple years of between research topics, labs and countries
>multiple years of not making good pension contributions, not settling down, not making roots
>postdoc pay is generally ass
>reward for doing this is a semi-permanent university position where you fight for tenure and do progressively less research
>the pay for these positions is also low
The travelling postdoc life is pretty good honestly. It's just super rough that you're doing it in your early 30s when pretty much everyone on any other career path has a stable career and the time to put down roots.

[Anonymous No.15712504]

>>15712045
Possibly, what degree and experience do you have and what are you applying for?

[Anonymous No.15712602]

>>15712096
There's no guarantee that you will get a tenure track job even with 1-3 postdocs.

In fact after 2 postdocs you basically have to get tenure or you won't be considered faculty material anymore. Too many much postdoccing is seen as a sign of failure since you couldn't secure anything more permanent and basically makes you radioactive.

[Jealous No.15712613]

I 'member Thrembo: [math]\hat{M}^3[/math]. I dedicated the first part of my latest book to it, pic related.

[Jealous No.15712618]

>>15712602
They say that if you solve the Riemann hypothesis, then you get tenure anywhere you want, and that definitely isn't true. What really happens is that the jews say you didn't solve it and then everyone believes them except for the people who actually understand your solution, but those ones with knowledge of the truth keep it to themselves to make money while the jews keep trying to rape you to death.

[Jealous No.15712624]

>>15711148
I strongly disagree. There are many things I want to do that I can't do due to lack of means, but there are very few things that I don't want to do that I have to do.

t. free man, kind of.

[Anonymous No.15712839]

>>15712504
To tell the truth I'm not exactly a /sci/entist. I have a master's in law, with a focus on IP. My last job was at a research institute looking at probabilistic evidence (mostly DNA) but I've been a NEET since the project ended. I've also been published and have another article under review, both on reverse engineering.
I've applied for research assistant/analyst posts, PhDs, and analyst positions at places like RAND. Usually stuff related to technology law/policy.
The few times I've had feedback it's because there's someone with more experience.

[Anonymous No.15713105]

>>15711065
What STEM careers make products out of natural resources? Like turning vegetables into oil, making a bioreactor that grows moss, turning plants into biofuel, hydrogen powered drones, etc

Something that mixes tech and nature

[Anonymous No.15713560]

>>15713105
The oil and gas industry.

[Anonymous No.15713632]

>>15713105
How advanced do you want the career to be?

[Anonymous No.15714044]

>>15713632
Master's at most

[Anonymous No.15714295]

>>15712839
>master's in law, with a focus on IP
That's pretty cool but I think you'd be better off just joining your state's bar and joining a firm as their IP lawyer.

[Anonymous No.15714380]

>>15712045
>>15712839
My bet is that your background is a bit too niche/all over the place, it's a combination of law, IP, some sort of research, and academia.
So when they say someone has more experience it's not necessarily more years of experience, but more years of experience in IP law, or more experience in reverse engineering, or whatever pertains to the specific job.
Mixed type profiles can be hard to "slot in" for what is usually a very cookie cutter role that's tied to a specific business unit with a specific budget.

I don't know much about legal things, but how similar is IP law to patent law? Patent law gets shilled on here pretty often, might be worth looking into. You could also try consulting maybe they are less picky about background.

[Anonymous No.15714404]

>>15711065
>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia
look up girls gone wild

[Anonymous No.15715006]

>>15714044
It seems like you are interested in turning organic materials into sustainable materials. Look up green chemistry.

[Anonymous No.15715129]

>>15714295
I've thought about it, but in my country you need 2 years of training before you're barred, plus firms recruit 2 years in advance for some reason. At that point I may as well get a PhD and get in the ivory tower. That said, I should probably look at more paralegal work, even if the pay sucks.

>>15714380
>Mixed type profiles can be hard to "slot in" for what is usually a very cookie cutter role that's tied to a specific business unit with a specific budget.
I'd imagine that's what's screwing me over. I'll look into consultancy although I'm not really sure what they do. Most academic jobs (i.e., teaching) want a PhD despite only needing a master's ~5 years ago, so I guess I'll keep publishing until I get admitted to one. May as well do something while I'm a NEET, right?
>how similar is IP law to patent law?
IP covers patent law and I could probably go into patent litigation if I were barred. If you want to be a patent attorney (the guy that actually writes patents) you'll typically need an MSc, at least in Bongland. It pays very well and is a lot comfier than legal practice, so I can see why it gets shilled.

[Anonymous No.15715216]

>>15711065
How do I not spectacularly fail my first semester? Diploma in electrical and electronics engineering.

[Anonymous No.15716048]

>>15711112
>Is there any way to meme myself
Yes, you could look at the alternatives. The world economy is going down just like it did in the late 80s, and life as a day labourer will be misery. EE graduates will always be in demand, and you can get a good job with exellent job security.

Perhaps one for the FAQ, but remember that you work to live, not the other way round, and you should have some spare time to do what you enjoy. If work and hobby is the same thing, you could end up burned out with both.

[Anonymous No.15716448]

Is it true that doing a postdoc hurts your chances of landing an industry job?

[Anonymous No.15716534]

>>15716448
almost certainly depends on the subject of your postdoc. If it's applicable to industry needs then no

[Anonymous No.15716545]

>>15716448
Coming to industry from a postdoc makes you look like a failed academic, so yes. But if you are asking this question, you probably are.

[Anonymous No.15716559]

Anyone else here have a PI who micromanages everything about their work? As in thesis + content of first author papers. I feel more like a technician than a scientist, and it's probably hampered my career b/c rather than spamming out papers, I essentially get assignments that turn into papers that go through a million revisions until PI thinks they're ready. I feel confident enough that I could do my own work and get papers out of it, but the amount of work assigned by PI is crushing enough that I have literally no time to break out on my own.

[Anonymous No.15716567]

I will never forgive my parents for forcing me into STEM instead of just letting me do fucking accounting. I would rather be in some desert shithole being shot at by goatfuckers than trying to integrate these gay ass fucking equations.

[Anonymous No.15716577]

>>15716567
that do be how it is. I did brainless manual labor for a summer job one year and to this day that's the only time I've ever felt free to think about whatever the fuck I want to think about instead of what I'm paid to think about

[Anonymous No.15716590]

>>15711844
you give up too easily mang.
all you had to do was before the bullshit to fucking surrogate on another country a la passport bros.
now you have to seek the least vaxxed country to safely surrogate in order to have a legacy, lucky you it is close to the US.

[Anonymous No.15716610]

>>15716448
I have never heard that. I did two postdocs and then went to industry, my postdocs never came up as a problem.

[Anonymous No.15716738]

>>15716559
Mine isn't a micromanager, but he gives me countless revisions months after having approved shit because he never actually read it. Spent the entire summer writing my papers and NOW he decides to nitpick my methodology.

I've been doing most of my productive work on the side, are there any consequences for you just not doing all the tasks he gives you?

[Anonymous No.15717041]

>>15715006
>organic materials into sustainable materials.
That's certainly one of the inspirations. I just like idea of taking the compounds found in plants, insects, organic matter and extracting them into useful tools and tech/powers. Like how Tyrian purple color dye was extracted from sea snails in the Mediterranean, and then used for royal clothing.

Green chem seems to generate a lot of buzzwords / meme info on Google, anything specific careerwise?

[Anonymous No.15717080]

>>15713105
Thsi seems close to bioprospecting. Big Pharma used this a lot until synthetics and simulations became popular. It turned out this was far from the success they had hoped and they are now returning to bioprospecting.

There are endless possibilities, but some of these project can last for decades.

[Anonymous No.15717101]

>>15715129
>IP covers patent law and I could probably go into patent litigation if I were barred. If you want to be a patent attorney (the guy that actually writes patents) you'll typically need an MSc, at least in Bongland. It pays very well and is a lot comfier than legal practice, so I can see why it gets shilled.
European patent attorney here. You might find a good place in a IP botique. As for salaries and industry insight:
https://fellowsandassociates.com/filestore/Documents/FellowsSalarySurvey2023.pdf

[Anonymous No.15717111]

>>15716567
With a STEM degree, you can still do big finance in a management consulting firm. Also see >>15716048; leave room for a hobby you care for.

>>15716577
>manual labor for a summer job one year
I did that several summer holiday. Let's just say that the company was not the most conducive to intellectually stimulating thinking. Still, I am glad I did it and got some insight into segments of the population I rarely meet these days. I also did my national service but ended up in a place where the power levels exceeded anything I have ever seen before or after.

[Anonymous No.15717116]

>>15717080
>Thsi seems close to bioprospecting
So that's the term for it, nice.

>There are endless possibilities, but some of these project can last for decades.
How does one get involved? Also, are these decades long projects some with pay off or do they sort of wither and die to regulation like medical breakthroughs? Was reading on wikipedia that these companies were unfortunately sued for "stealing" these resources from the "indigenous" and turned to synthetic / combinatorics chemistry in response

[Anonymous No.15717196]

>>15717116
Get a PhD in pharmaceutics.

Hard numbers are secrets but all inducations is that this is brutal: each year 100 new active compounds are started for investigations. Soon a few will be ended because all the rats died! Over time more and more will fall off, killing all apes etc. Then comes clinical testing on humans, and everyone hopes no patients were offed - but it can happen, see Vioxx. Then there is more testing for efficacy and optimised dosage regime, cross interactions with other drugs etc.
From start to pills on shop can easily take a decade, and worse, the drug can be withdrawn from the market. Or it can become a roaring success.

[Anonymous No.15717206]

>>15717116
The other term that might apply is ethnobotany, which is where you get eaten alive by parasites and bugs to go in the jungle to ask the Tsembgsugua tribe about the leaves they rub on themselves and then investigate it for active compounds.

[Anonymous No.15717217]

>>15717206
Any ventures doing "precision bio-prospecting" so I can just send my Boston Robotics Altas in to exhaustively analyze those active compounds and then bring them back, and get a tribe worshiping him as possible bonus?

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[Anonymous No.15717321]

>>15715216
go to class and pay attention, take notes, read the assigned readings

[Anonymous No.15717375]

*sits down*

[Anonymous No.15717388]

>>15716448
It's less common, but industry financed postdocs are a thing. Usually it's a research lab or co-op between industry and a government/college lab, but sometimes it's a more direct relationship like how Amazon had(has?) a postdoc program for operations research and AI.
In those cases it's more like a direct pipeline to a cushy industry job where you still get to larp as an academic.

[Anonymous No.15717640]

>>15717101
That's a great link.

For someone who wasted enough time doing degrees up to and including a PhD and then a postdoc though, the idea of grinding through studies and examinations for several more years and getting paid ass in the meanwhile is not appealing anymore.

[Anonymous No.15718231]

BROS I GOT ACCEPTED INTO A GOOD PHD PROGRAM LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.15718235]

>>15718231
CONGRATS!
What's in in? Are you a Europoor or a Burger?

[Anonymous No.15718261]

>>15718235
computer engineering related, i don't know what i will be doing yet
i am europoor

[Anonymous No.15718273]

>>15718261
IC design would be pretty cool

[Anonymous No.15718400]

>>15717640
>For someone who wasted enough time doing degrees up to and including a PhD and then a postdoc though, the idea of grinding through studies and examinations for several more years and getting paid ass in the meanwhile is not appealing anymore.
I did that and so did many of my colleagues. All physicists in this patent law firm have a PhD.
Fun fact 1: The European Patent Office is NOT part of the EU.
Fun fact 2: Passing EQE means you are allowed to move to ANY EP-member states to set up a patent law firm.
Brexit cannot stop this.

[Anonymous No.15718430]

The /sci/ job market is not immune to fashonable trends:
>Embrace D.E.I.B. to Help Fill the Giant Talent Gap
https://www.eetimes.com/embrace-d-e-i-b-to-help-fill-the-giant-talent-gap/
>The chip industry’s longstanding workforce shortage has reached crisis proportions. Already struggling to fill tens of thousands of open positions, companies across the semiconductor supply chain will need an estimated 1 million additional workers by 2030 as more governments worldwide invest heavily in chip manufacturing as a strategic priority for national and economic security. This all comes as the industry sets it sights on topping $1 billion in revenue early that decade.
OK, so plenty of jobs to go. And yet:
>The workforce-development challenges we face are layered.
So the people want to be paid.
>As an industry, we need to explore alternative pathways to hire.
As in explore ways to keep paying peanuts.
>We need to look at the expectations of the incoming workforce
Except from salary expectations.
>and build support networks to meet them.
More caffee latte?
>We need to hire for potential and explore what’s possible.
Generic propaganda that was old 20 years ago.
>Additionally, we need to diversify our talent pool.
Uh, what?

>Women and people of color face systemic barriers that start in grade school and persist throughout their careers.
Such as?
>Never mind for a moment that this is a significant social justice and equity problem;
Uh oh
>biases that stand as hurdles to STEM careers hurt chip companies and the industry as a whole, limiting our potential for innovation, productivity and profitability. That’s why reversing this trend must be a top priority.
Only the Soviet Union made propaganda this raw.

Nevertheless, stuff like this is going to hurt people who had a bias to study hard. Intel tried diversity, now they are reversing but the damage is done.

[Anonymous No.15719589]

If I want to become a park ranger or in some way a career involved in nature preservation what would be the best major and study route?

Was thinking start with an easy wild life forestry associate that builds to an environmental science degree. Going up to environmental engineering would make sense if I get into a master's program but that's a lot of school for a simple career and I would be going back to school, complete career change at 31.

[Anonymous No.15719624]

>>15719589
Not to discount other careers but you shouldn't need a college degree to become anything other than a scientist, engineer, or mathematician.

[Anonymous No.15719628]

>>15711673
How do you do interships? Where do you even find them?

[Anonymous No.15719650]

>>15719628
You can apply but keep in mind that internships are popular and hard to get.
You can use your network and get an internship (and later also a job) that way. Networking is the most common way.
Thirdly, if you are really desperate, ask your professors. They might know of someone or you might get an internship in their labs.

[Anonymous No.15719693]

[Anonymous No.15719787]

>>15719628
There are zoomer "influencers" that talk about how to get internships, it's a lot of work and pretty high stakes as they can make or break a career. I'd actually recommend taking a look at those, use google and don't be a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15719855]

>>15719624
Checking those careers in conservation and nature research, and especially park ranger, they do require some degree in related studies and EPA certs.

[Anonymous No.15719868]

>>15719628
Applying during your Spring semester, use linkedin and shit like that. You can ask your classmates or professors if they know of any companies looking for interns. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.15719976]

>>15711065
Anybody have experience with interesting aerodynamics work outside of the defense industry?

[Anonymous No.15719987]

>>15719976
My buddy works with air tunnels in the car industry, he enjoys it although it's very light on the physics apparently.

[Anonymous No.15720182]

I'm starting my second year of biologicals science bachelors soon, having second thoughts on where I thought I wanted to go in my career, any advice for what career I could/should pursue?

[Anonymous No.15720241]

>aiming to land a high paying data science position in a few years
>working on an EE PhD in an unrelated field
what do I *actually* need to accomplish to convince major companies to hire me? I don't expect I'll be able to land a FAANG position right off the bat, but I figure it's best to aim for that level regardless. I have a background in maths so the fundamentals of DSc have been trivial so far. What I don't know is what companies are actually looking for from professionals without degrees in DSc.

[Anonymous No.15720247]

>>15720241
>a FAANG position
Can I ask why anyone would want to work with them knowing how corrupt and fruity their work culture is? No amount of money is worth sucking off they/thems.

[Anonymous No.15720260]

>>15711065
I so wanted that Wikipedia page to exist.... turns out it's just a meme. lame.

[Anonymous No.15720317]

>>15720247
>No amount of money
It's just the money. I can live with the corporate culture if it means making $300k+/yr

[Anonymous No.15720413]

>>15720182
Cancer research always has decent public and private funding.
Pharmacology is also an option you can explore but I heard it's broooootal.

[Anonymous No.15720563]

i’ve had a job for a couple years. make 120k. never had an internship. i wonder what my life would be like if i’d pursued something else

[Anonymous No.15720596]

>>15720563
What are you working in? And yes agreed internships are a meme

>t. IT technician with 0 internships

[Anonymous No.15720852]

I just registered for a tour of a famous university what questions should I ask, things to watch out for, and other ways to make the most out of it?

[Anonymous No.15721316]

>>15718430
Kek so they’ve added another letter, as they are wont to do. Date I ask what the b stands for?

[Barkun No.15721324]

>>15721316
Jaz Tates ass

[Anonymous No.15721559]

>>15720596
>IT technician
no shit you didn't have any internships, retard

[Anonymous No.15722064]

>>15721316
>Date I ask what the b stands for?
It is belonging.
I wonder how long time it takes before anyone relates this to "belonging" to a slave owner.

[Anonymous No.15722135]

Refinery anon here.
Not sure how much longer I’m gonna last. Working out here makes me feel like a bitch. Every single one of these guys is married. I’ve never seen so many wedding rings in my life. I never felt insecure about such a thing but out here it makes me feel gay or something.

[Anonymous No.15722219]

>>15720317
No you can't. Until you experience it you have no idea how tough it can be. You'll be working with modern day commissars.

[Anonymous No.15722467]

>>15722135
What do you do at a refinery anon? Is it fun?

[Anonymous No.15722468]

>>15720563
consulting?

[Anonymous No.15722489]

>>15720852
where can i find some cute virgins (men)?

[Anonymous No.15722549]

Is it possible to (by any means, including neurological manipulation) force yourself to enjoy math
I want to be one of those people for whom solving math problems feels like play, not in the sense that it's easy, but that it's fun

[Anonymous No.15722628]

>>15722549
It's essentially intellectual masochism.
In the same way that perverts are into sexual masochism, you learn to "love the pain" of spending 10 hours straight solving math problems.
So just force yourself to do it even though you hate it, and keep doing it until it starts to become enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.15722643]

>>15711065
I have no degree at 22 and I am so absolutely fucked. I was looking at engineering degress but I think I'm too low IQ for it considering I couldn't understand anything when I read through a physics textbook. I'm going to have to start from scratch with basic math if I even attempt this

[Anonymous No.15722689]

>>15722643
What physics book did you read?

[Anonymous No.15722865]

How is genetic engineering as a career path for someone majoring in bioEngineering? What skills should I aim for before I graduate? I plan on getting a masters

[Anonymous No.15722944]

>>15722689
https://openstax.org/details/books/university-physics-volume-1

[Anonymous No.15723634]

>>15722643
Simply cracking open a textbook and trying to read through it can feel overwhelming, especially when you aren’t used to that kind of thing. Here is what you do anon
Go to your unis website
Look up the program you are planning on
Look up the first year classes you will need to take
Find the syllabus for those classes. Oftentimes they are listed publicly. If they are not, email the professor who usually teaches them, explain that you are a future student who wants to get a headstart on studying, and ask for copies.
The syllabus will have a list of topics the class will cover. Look at the topics and type them into YouTube and watch some videos. After they’ve been presented to you, then go back and read the textbook. Finally, try to do the problems

[Anonymous No.15723654]

>>15722467
Electrical engineer so I don’t have much to do with the actual process stuff. Mostly just do power distribution and project management stuff. They are always installing new shit and upgrading stuff. You spend a lot of your time managing contractors and tradesmen, and getting wined and dined by vendors. There’s a surprising amount of soft skills necessary. Also if you aren’t a redneck or didn’t grow up around those types of people you won’t make it

[Anonymous No.15724904]

>page 10
guess everyone got jobs and is busy at work/getting ready for the next day of work

[Anonymous No.15724947]

>>15723654
I'm ngmi as an electrical engineer am I?

[Anonymous No.15724956]

>>15711990
Get an internship in management consulting.

[Anonymous No.15724959]

>>15716448
>>15716448
Means you are already 8+ years behind your peers.

[Anonymous No.15724967]

GUYS HELP.
I am sending job applications but on this uni site this is the standard application page, people always state to send the documents to an email address like pic related, but the page has an apply button that redirects to a page wich asks your details and to attach your documents, then you can send everything by clikgin another button. I have done the latter, should I instead send an email directly? I am worrying they might not receive the application, but they should? The page asked me for my email and all the required info but dik... I am very anxious about this, I can't even be sure who is getting the application

[Anonymous No.15724978]

>>15724947
Well if you can get along with some salt of the Earth tradesman you'll probably be fine. If you get offended because they made a sex joke or can't take some ball busting you're NGMI in power distribution at least. PLC, embedded systems, communications maybe? you can do fine. Of course that's not all the things you can do as an EE. It's really not that bad.

[Anonymous No.15724995]

>>15722643
A basic physics I course requires you to know all math before differential calculus. Most of it is vector math so trig is a must and you will have to learn about vectors and vector operations.

[Anonymous No.15725004]

>>15721559
Funny how I still get paid and don't need to piss my life away gambling on a watered down apprentice position that doesn't need to exist in the first place if engineers weren't so far up their own ass.

[Anonymous No.15725012]

Does engineering allow for working in a room by yourself breathing life into your ideas and then sharing it with a team to improve and discuss, or is this type of work completely gone in our over-socialized world?

[Anonymous No.15725017]

>>15725012
An engineer makes stuff work.

[Anonymous No.15725023]

>>15725012
You're going to be using a lot of the MS Office suite no matter what you do

[Anonymous No.15725027]

>>15725023
>You're going to be using a lot of the MS Office suite no matter what you do
That's fine as long as the work isn't in an "open office" or your attached to the hip with another person for 8+ hours a day.

Do they give you room to think and tinker for a majority of your shift?

[Anonymous No.15725030]

pls reply... >>15724967

[Anonymous No.15725071]

>>15725012
Depends but you have to be either really smart or have a lot of years of work experience. As a new engineer the likelihood of you doing that is unlikely, you're just going to be doing cookie cutter or making shit work while keeping any users who might interact with the system you're making/maintaining are safe.

[Anonymous No.15725079]

>>15725071
>you're just going to be doing cookie cutter or making shit work while keeping any users who might interact with the system you're making/maintaining are safe.
That doesn't sound too bad, but are given time alone to do this stuff or are stuck in social situations for the entire shift, typically?

[Anonymous No.15725082]

Who here /data engineering/?

[Anonymous No.15725088]

>>15725082
whats that sounds fun

[Anonymous No.15725095]

>>15725088

[Anonymous No.15725097]

>>15725079
No matter what type of engineering you do you're going to have to work with people. As a new engineer, you will be stuck with a mentor or a couple of mentors depending as they get you up to speed with any regulations, codes, standards, etc your job pertains to because the reality is 80-90% of the shit you will learn will rarely be used in your job. The key here is to find a job where you will be able to get along with the people you're with. That's just the reality of an engineering job. As to it being the entire shift, I don't think any job you will work for will have you on either extreme at least not at first.

[Anonymous No.15725117]

>>15725097
>No matter what type of engineering you do you're going to have to work with people.
That's fine and to be expected for any career. It's just that I entered STEM primarily for leveraging technical skills, not focusing entirely on soft skills or people skills like a sales role. I'd probably off my self if I had to do stuff like this 5 days a week instead of designing systems: >>15723654

>As a new engineer, you will be stuck with a mentor or a couple of mentors depending as they get you up to speed with any regulations, codes, standards
That's actually great.

>As to it being the entire shift, I don't think any job you will work for will have you on either extreme at least not at first.
Alright, that gives me some hope, but do you think being a social butterfly is more important that being a technical wizard these days? If so, what careers value the technical wizardly more these days?

[Anonymous No.15725142]

>>15725117
>but do you think being a social butterfly is more important that being a technical wizard these days?
I think that will depend entirely on what you decide to do. I think I can say for systems where people can die if you fuck up, no, you will get shit canned and your soft skills are worthless. If you're good at your job and you're not a complete asshole to work with I think you'll be fine. So soft skills are important to a degree but if you do the bare minimum that'll do.

[Anonymous No.15725364]

>>15724904
My college blocked 4chan so I can't access it when I'm there and I practically live there since my house in full of distractions.

[Anonymous No.15725381]

>>15724967
Try searching the website for any tech support contacts and confirm with them if your app went through or if this is normal functionality. If that fails you can send an email directly and let them know why you had to do that in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.15725436]

>>15725364
I wonder if the computer lab has figured out that I use 4chan. Wonder what they think.

[Anonymous No.15725500]

Is a degree in physics worth it?

[Anonymous No.15725627]

>>15725364
do you not have a phone with its own dataplan?

[Anonymous No.15725736]

>>15725500
Only if you're going to do a PhD and work in physics or leave immediately to go into something which makes money. Not worth it otherwise since it's not actually that directly employable. Your also have to work and speak with the type of people who like physics.
If you want to do it for the challenge/curiosity then an undergraduate degree will finish just as the challenge starts to get good.

[Anonymous No.15725902]

>>15725736
>Only if you're going to do a PhD
True
>and work in physics or leave immediately to go into something which makes money.
I'd recommend doing at least one postdoc contract. Pay is bad but experience is good.
>Not worth it otherwise since it's not actually that directly employable.
There are a few niches left, especially in national labs.
>Your also have to work and speak with the type of people who like physics.
Great!
>If you want to do it for the challenge/curiosity then an undergraduate degree will finish just as the challenge starts to get good.
An undergrad degree gives you a taste but leaves you in a worse position without a PhD.

[Anonymous No.15725924]

I took an IQ test and while I haven't gotten the results I feel like it didn't go that well. Obviously had I aced it I'd be some sort of an genius but I was really slow in the timed parts and I had some problems in the verbal part of the test. I kinda sensed some disappointment from the test taker whilst answering the questions

If my results come out a 100, 110 or 120 am I NGMI in EE? What EE fields are flat out out the question for me?

[Anonymous No.15725930]

>>15725924
And obviously should I even be thinking about masters or PhD? This sucks.

[Anonymous No.15725949]

>>15725924
IQ isn't a perfect indicator for performance in science and/or academia since many scientists have poor mental arithmetic and struggle with language and subtext comprehension. Despite this they're more than capable of working with abstract concepts and challenging mathematics.
So don't worry if your IQ score is low, if you can get your head around calc and computer logic problems then there's nothing to worry about. Even IC design and silicon architecture boils down to applied calculus and wave equations. Master those and you'll do fine

[Anonymous No.15726026]

>>15725924
>>15725930
you have been seriously deluded by this place if you actually believe that IQ has any standing on your ability to get a degree, lmao

[Anonymous No.15726068]

>>15711065
so I developed a stupid algorithm as a summer project in my university, however the project didn't interest me at all and I didn't continue working on it.

After I officially emailed the professor, they told me that the project could end up being a paper and they asked me if I could confirm that I don't wish to be a co-author (since that would require more work from me).

Do I just confirm it and leave it at that or should I do something different? (e.g confirm that I won't work on it more but I would be thankful if I was a co-author?)
I'm still in undergrad so co-authoring a paper would probably be big.

[Anonymous No.15726075]

>>15726068
>I'm still in undergrad so co-authoring a paper would probably be big.
Definitely. Go for it if you can.
Also, ask him if a patent application can be filed on this, in which case you should be credited as inventor. This too is big for getting a job.

[Anonymous No.15726093]

>>15726075
>patent application
Are you serious on this? I mean the algorithm isn't that sophisticated. It's not exactly straightforward but still.
>you should be credited as inventor
Does this mean including my name in the "acknowledgments" section? I think I would be satisfied with something like this, is it at all valuable?
Maybe I can ask the professor to include me in the acknowledgments, since perhaps co-authoring is a bit much if I don't work more on it, which I don't think I will.

[Anonymous No.15726096]

>>15719976
no experience but the Von Karman Institute is in my country and I think they're strictly civilian, you can check out their research
>>15726068
this is a big opportunity, definitely coauthor and work on it, you will be thankful later
paper writing skills, strong recommendation letter, you can maybe go for another collaboration on something that interests you more
you can just work less on your courses since OK GPA + paper >> good GPA with no paper

[Anonymous No.15726100]

>>15725004
That's not the point retard, there ARE NO internships for technician positions, why on earth would there be?

[Anonymous No.15726104]

>>15725924
Yeah I've seen literal sub 100 IQs get EE degrees. As long as you can get through the math it's fine. Just study harder.

[Anonymous No.15726107]

>>15725082
Used to manually script ETL pipelines, pain in the ass but I was left to my own devices for weeks on end so it was very comfy.

[Anonymous No.15726109]

>>15726026
>>15726104
The % of people who finish their degree where I'm at is like 35%. Obviously some of them join the labour force and never bother to do their masters etc but still, it's a lot of dropouts

[Anonymous No.15726113]

>>15711065
How do I get an Internship? I didn't do any in high school and now my CV is literally empty. Should I just include technical drawings of my personal projects?

[Anonymous No.15726118]

>>15726109
As with a lot of things, it's a test of how much shit you're willing to deal with. Most people will realize that they don't want to study 40+ hours in a given week and move on to business admin or some shit. And yeah unsurprisingly rarely do people do their masters. Would you rather spend 2 years and thousands of dollars on a masters or get 2 years of experience while getting paid. It's just not economical for the vast majority of people.

[Anonymous No.15726178]

>>15718430
All the software engineering positions for chip companies are on site and pay even worse than deloitte, pwc, kpmg, ey. If they struggle with finding people they should try being a more attractive employer. I live in NL and ASML pays really poorly, like 3.5-4.8k a month everything included for an always on site (in the middle of nowhere btw) software dev. To put this into perspective, the Dutch government pays a junior 3.7-4.1k a month straight out of uni, and a senior around 7.7k a month. This isn't the best paying employer either.

> we need to diversify our talent pool
Because the native population doesn't want to work for the low wages, so they need to import from India, Vietnam, Philippines. Diversity in corporate speak means more low paid workers from developing countries.

[Anonymous No.15726194]

>>15720241
You can try /g/ tech workers general. Data science as in pure AI has coolest off incredibly since the last 2-3 years. Even though there is a lot of hype for AI, its mostly hype concentrated to a few companies. A machine learning engineer isn't sought that much anymore, most of the positions looking for them want someone with a lot of seniority. This is likely because often a very simple model shows similar results to a very complicated model. A 1-2% model performance increase is only relevant for a select amount of business use cases. Very often you just need to cluster things, assign a category to things, or make a simple predictive line for management to interpret.

The most important thing between doing data analytics / data engineering for a business instead of uni is that you need to make whatever you're doing operational and sustainable. That means it needs to preferably automatically update, make contact with databases, be easy to maintain and be accessible and modifyable by colleagues.

A couple of certs are also valuable depending if you want to go more into the data engineering or analytics side. You have a few from Amazon, I did more with the Microsoft cloud stack. The AZ 900, DP 203 , DP 500, DP 900 are all pretty useful certs to get.

[Anonymous No.15726208]

>>15726093
>Are you serious on this? I mean the algorithm isn't that sophisticated. It's not exactly straightforward but still.
I am serious. To inventors, it often appears not sophisticated. Still, it can be of use to others and can have a value. Most universities have an office for this. It is crucial that an application is filed BEFORE publication.
>>you should be credited as inventor
>Does this mean including my name in the "acknowledgments" section? I think I would be satisfied with something like this, is it at all valuable?
There is no acknowledgement section in a patent application but there is a list of inventors. That is where your name should go if you have had part in this. From what you write it appears you did most of the heavy lifting. And yes, it is valuable, and Linkedin has a function to add whatever patent applications were filed with your name as inventor. This will distibguis you from a lot of others applying for the same job. The FAQ points out a patent application is worth 10 publications.
>Maybe I can ask the professor to include me in the acknowledgments, since perhaps co-authoring is a bit much if I don't work more on it, which I don't think I will.
Aim high: get inventorship. Also, denying your status as inventor is serious, and grounds for making the patent unenforcable. Most applications are let go ("lapse") early, just a handful become valuable. You will still have the value as the inventor, no matter how the application proceeds.


t. European patent attorney

[Anonymous No.15726222]

>>15725027
You’re very unlikely to have your own room as a new engineer. Maybe after 15 years experience you can get that. Hell your lucky to even get a cubicle. It’s funny because my mom and sisters do bullshit clerical work and get their own offices but I as le highly educated powerful engineer have to work in a cuck open office sitting at a fucking table.

[Anonymous No.15726272]

>>15725023
I'm a 40 yo mechanical engineer, and I don't even have ms office on any of my machines. If I have to work with spreadsheets, I use libre office, which is what I do when I need to share actual analysis data. Typically customers are satisfied with just graphs and shit

[Anonymous No.15726292]

>>15711065
> be me in mid twenties
> did a Social Science Bachelors degree when I was younger because I was retarded
> about to finish Masters in meme engineering field that I lucked into because of experience at work
> want to do a meaningful Doctorate in engineering/science but afraid of being laughed at due to not having enough core knowledge.

What do I do lads?
Go back down and do a Diploma or Grad certificate or just send it?

[Anonymous No.15726309]

Bros, what's it like working in an engineering firm? I have the opportunity to start working as a CAD technician at one. Will the days drag on? Or will it be a fun job?

[Anonymous No.15726322]

>>15726208
I'll look into it more. The situation is a bit complicated considering that my work was done under her supervision and the algorithm has some subroutines of a previous algorithm she did in an old paper.
Nonetheless, I'll try to take as much advantage of the situation as I can.

Thank you very much anon.

[Anonymous No.15726342]

>>15726309
I wouldn’t say fun but there are worse jobs. You drink coffee and make drawings all day

[Anonymous No.15726434]

If you have an engineering degree us it a bad idea to take a “project manager” role? Can’t tell if this is bullshit or not

[Anonymous No.15726461]

How many positive answers did you receive and how many PhD applications did you send?

[Anonymous No.15726499]

>>15726113
Anyone? :(

[Anonymous No.15726586]

What's up with this new trend of HR minions trying to get you to do on-boarding stuff off the clock before your first day? Why should I fill out all your gay paperwork when I'm not being paid? They act like the Earth is going to stop spinning if I don't get this shit filled out before my first day.

[Anonymous No.15726662]

>>15726461
4 and 6, all T30-T50 global, got into T30 coming from a third world no name uni. physics btw.

[Anonymous No.15726672]

>>15726662
Uni ranking for PhD's are not that meaningful, it's all about the research and the lab you get to do your PhD in

[Anonymous No.15726761]

>>15726461
One and zero. Just shook a guy's hand at a wedding. Never formally applied for it, he got me a position and funding. Absolutely nepo'd my way in. Postdocs have been harder. Applied or reached out for 8, got ghosted by one, offers from three of them.

[Anonymous No.15726765]

>>15726761
For context this is a niche area of physics where most of the normal talent pool are being hoovered up by quantum computing companies and startups. I'm absolutely benefiting from a worker shortage.

[Anonymous No.15726789]

>>15726222
>You’re very unlikely to have your own room as a new engineer. Maybe after 15 years experience you can get that.
Ick.

What careers are pretty much the opposite of that are but still STEM?

[Anonymous No.15726807]

>>15725924
IQ only really measures speed of comprehension and analysis. The speed of problem solving is limited by the aforementioned speed of comprehension and analysis.

As far as degrees go, IQ only impacts how quickly you can identify and absorb new information. Which directly impacts study times. In other words, higher IQ'd individuals will require less studying and help than lower IQ'd individuals. So work ethic is the determining factor for getting that cute piece of paper saying you're an engineer.

Just pay attention, get your work done, and you'll be golden.

[Anonymous No.15726825]

>>15726807
having a higher IQ isn't necessarily good. It can be good but a lot of them end up being depressed because it's like reading something and realizing they are completely missing the point. Part of that is IQ being selective for information which is necessary. The other part is re-encoding the information. Anyways, high IQ isn't that great.

[Anonymous No.15726835]

>>15711844
>Why do I feel like every STEM degree matches that description?
Because it does.
What other outcome was to be expecte where you need to by hyper competative and work more for less? I'm looking to retrain as a paramedic because atleast I would have a work life balance, job security and decent money. STEM just isn't worth it for anyone who has or wants a life outside of STEM. It doesn't even help you with dating, meanwhile doctors are a status thing thats considered sexy.
Do engineers get much attention or is it jsut doctors and lawyers?

[Anonymous No.15726841]

Any good tech jobs or STEM jobs outside of ultra Blue States in the United States? Never felt at home with the local culture and would prefer somewhere like New Hampshire, North Carolina, Alabama, or Georgia.

[Anonymous No.15726842]

>>15726113
What did you study? Hard to say what to do if you don't provide context.

[Anonymous No.15726915]

>>15726841
There's plenty down on Ol' Tay-Has

[Anonymous No.15726972]

Anyone else here working in big pharma, specifically on the operations side? Looking for new things to learn or ways to climb the ladder, ans I'm curious what others have found useful. Currently working in a CQV/validation role, with a fair amount of CAPA and deviation stuff mixed in. Some process improvement too. Also, any benefit to getting an ASQ green belt, or is it useless fluff?

[Anonymous No.15726997]

>>15726789
Having your own office has always been an upper level thing anon. If this is your primary concern you are not going to do well in the working world I hate to tell you

[Anonymous No.15727007]

>>15726841
>New Hampshire, North Carolina, or Georgia.
all blue states
>Alabama
Aggressively anti-outsider because of the prior examples. You won't make it.

[Anonymous No.15727013]

>>15726835
>Do engineers get much attention or is it jsut doctors and lawyers?
Depends where you live.
I work in oil and gas in rural midwest and I've noticed that the 20-something roasties working in retail and restaurants are very chatty with me when they see me in my work uniform. The average income here is like $19k a year and they are well aware that I make like 6 times as much as them. Pretty much this entire town's purpose is marrying off young women to engineers at the plant, but I'm sure engineers are completely invisible to the turbo roasties in the big cities or on the coasts.

[Anonymous No.15727015]

>>15726997
Already work as a field technician at the moment, funnily enough don't have much social interaction and mostly work on stuff solo. Contacting a team online for any assistance if needed. The working world is almost certainly not that 100% of the time.

You guys aren't constantly brown-nosing one another versus actually doing technical work, right? Do you work at FAGMAN or something?
Even while working with people you do take the time to quietly pursue your tasks, no?

[Anonymous No.15727019]

>>15727007
>all blue states
I said "ultra" blue. NC, Georgia are red, purple at worst. New Hampshire is blue but not in the way NY and Cali are.

>Aggressively anti-outsider because of the prior examples.
Family's originally from Alabama. Still have relatives out there too.

[Anonymous No.15727024]

>>15727019
Blue today is ultra blue tomorrow. Once libs manage to flip these states with mass migration they get their rigging apparatus in place and they never lose their foothold again. Calling fucking Georgia of all places purple just demonstrates how the rot has set in.

[Anonymous No.15727035]

>>15726835
>Do engineers get much attention or is it jsut doctors and lawyers?
If you're talking about love: Pussy is a matter of person not profession. Feynman could pull tail despite having the most uselessly autistic career in the eyes of the mainstream.

>>15727024
Defeatist mindset really helps no one. Adding someone who isn't a nog-worshipper ought to break the rot down even just a little.

[Anonymous No.15727038]

>>15727015
Stay in the field then. You will deal with people at the office, in the office you have a hand in the business side of things, that's what an office job entails. If you think you're just going to sit in your office with the door closed all day you will be asked to resign pretty rapidly.

[Anonymous No.15727043]

>>15726113
It's normal to have an empty CV if you're an undergrad. If you're in CS or equivalent then put projects you've done as part of your classes.
It's a numbers game, apply to any and everything with internship in the name, even if it's not related to your degree.

>>15726194
+1 for azure/aws/gcloud certs

>>15726789
In sub ~500 employee companies it's not uncommon that only the C-suite and VPs have private offices, like >>15726997 said.

>>15726841
Raleigh NC has a bunch of software companies located there, Google, WSP, RedHat are the big ones iirc.

[Anonymous No.15727060]

>>15727038
>You will deal with people at the office, in the office you have a hand in the business side of things, that's what an office job entails.
What do you do for a living, out of curiosity?

[Anonymous No.15727094]

>>15727060
I'm an engineer.
In the real world being an engineer is a lot more than staring into a book and doing contrived algebra example problems all day.

[Anonymous No.15727099]

>>15727094
>I'm an engineer.
What type? Electrical, Chem, Mech, Software, other?

>In the real world being an engineer is a lot more than staring into a book and doing contrived algebra example problems all day.
Correct, but if you're mostly socializing, when exactly is the engineering part?

[Anonymous No.15727115]

>>15727099
I genuinely think you're too stupid to work. You should go on disability.

[Anonymous No.15727117]

>>15727015
>You guys aren't constantly brown-nosing one another versus actually doing technical work, right? Do you work at FAGMAN or something?
>Even while working with people you do take the time to quietly pursue your tasks, no?
You don't get tasks assigned to you do tinker with alone. Your team (not you) get assigned goals to accomplish, and it's together with your manager and team members that you need to figure out how to solve those tasks. Any sort of meaningful technical work cannot be done by one person alone.

Take software engineering for example, sure you'll be working alone writing your code snippets or whatever, but when you review someone else's code, or when someone reviews YOUR code, or when you need to decide WHAT to code or HOW to code it that's inherently a task that involves multiple people.
It has nothing to do with brownnosing, high level technical work requires multiple people which means you cannot be an entitled autist.
The time spent working silently on individual task could be anywhere between 10-25% of your 40 hour work week, and that's not because of muh fagman HR, but because having a bunch of autists working on their own little things would jeopardize the company.

You seem to have no clue how technical companies work.
I think you should go on youtube and watch some videos of engineers in different fields vlog about their day. Since you suffer from autism I'll spoonfeed you: search for "A day in the life of a X" where you replace X with whatever field of engineering (or other profession) you're interested in. That should give you a clearer picture of the kind of work you'd be doing.

[Anonymous No.15727118]

>>15727115
>t. assblasted LARPer

[Anonymous No.15727166]

Should I lie in my application saying relatives close to me died of the same disease the lab I'm applying to studies, saying that's why I am so determined to get into their biomed field? I really want that position...

[Anonymous No.15727178]

>>15727166
Social contract has been ripped to shreds, there's really no longer any reason not to lie and cheat.

[Anonymous No.15727182]

>>15727166
I'm and incredibly jaded person who's deeply disillusioned with life. You really ought to take my advice, but it'd be funny if you did.

I'd say go right ahead and lie to abuse the nonsense, bureaucratic requirements that have nothing to do with your ability to research and cure diseases. Fuck them, they engage in nepotism, they embellish their job postings to hide discrimination, they sit upon a bubble in their ivory towers, they pretend they're special and intelligent. So abuse them as they abuse you, and take all you can from them in anyway possible then rebuild a nobler world.

[Anonymous No.15727195]

>>15727182
ought not *
I'm slowly becoming ESL it seems

[Anonymous No.15727206]

>>15727166
While I think lying to them isn't a problem, I do think that a lot of the other applicants are going to pull the same schtick. It's the most common reason people get into biomed after all.

I'd just stalk the people working there, see what publications they did and try find some common ground, something like "I studied X in a class and came across Professor Schlomo's paper on that subject which made me want to work in his lab blablabla" would me more effective in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.15727233]

>>15711065
how bad is a bs in chem really?

[Anonymous No.15727266]

>>15727233
It's one of those degrees where you need to go to grad school to have some sort of job in that field.

[Anonymous No.15727267]

>>15726841
>alabama

[Anonymous No.15727271]

>>15725627
I only have 5 gigs of data.

[Anonymous No.15727276]

>>15726842
Im not studying yet, just worrying since my buddies CV-mog me to shreds

[Anonymous No.15727284]

>>15727267
No one tell this psued about Huntsville and NASA

[Anonymous No.15727294]

Can contributing to Open Source projects doing bug-fixes, implementations help convince companies (any company that isn't a staffing agency, and not the big ones) to hire a CS graduate with no internships?

For example, let's say I help implement some fringe machine learning algorithm like spiking neural networks to PyTorch, or helped identify and correct a buffer overflow bug in one of the library's functions.

Would that be something good enough to at least get a foot in the door somehwere? Or would I be wasting my time?

[Anonymous No.15727297]

>>15727276
>Im not studying yet
?

Is this a European thing to have CVs that early?

[Anonymous No.15727300]

>>15727297
I had to send a CV to get into my master's

[Anonymous No.15727318]

>>15727297
Yes it is, they also make us get a baby's first Internship at school, but I fucked it up (partially due to the rona)

[Anonymous No.15727328]

I won't even apply to a job if there is no salary listed.
Am I the problem killing this country? How entitled am I? Is it true that the pay should not matter to me and I should be applying to the job because of "passion?"

[Anonymous No.15727334]

>>15727328
I don't see the problem? Who's stating otherwise?

[Anonymous No.15727348]

>>15727284
You've obviously never been to Huntsville

[Anonymous No.15727356]

Me pulling into the NASA parking lot for my first day of work in Huntsville Alabama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU3PMOIX7xw

[Anonymous No.15727359]

>>15727356
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.15727366]

>>15727359
Hell yeah brother

[Anonymous No.15727376]

>>15727328
you should email them solely asking for the salary, they can't not tell you. If it seems alright with you, proceed with the application. But I doubt it will be a good pay if they don't put it on.

[Anonymous No.15727382]

>>15727376
Whenever recruiters contact me I am hostile as fuck and just immediately ask for salary.
They try to be polite and tell me about the job and I'm just like "Salary? Salary?"
I'm tired of dealing with these time wasting faggots. They'll put you through 4 rounds of interviews and make you wait 3 months for a decision just to offer you something pathetic like $60k a year. Fuck them.

[Anonymous No.15727387]

People flipping burgers want like $20 an hour now and me as a bigshot engineer with a degree I'm supposed to work for like $25 an hour, plus the burden of student loans that the burger flippers don't have.
I mean god damn what the fuck is happening? It's like engineering got ultra saturated overnight. I feel like I'm a failure if I'm not at least getting $120k as an engineer and I just can't get there, managers scoff and recruiters hang up on me when I tell them.

[Anonymous No.15727394]

>>15727387
Field?

[Anonymous No.15727402]

>>15727394
All I'm saying is that our salaries are not keeping up with inflation at all. Like at all.
And then these managers get their panties in a wad because their salaries aren't keeping up either so when I come in asking for a reasonable wage they feel like I'm encroaching on their turf and threatening their lordship over me.

[Anonymous No.15727422]

>>15727382
based. Fuck these "people". Can't believe I am going for a PhD.
>>15727402
not even american but all you burgers' salaries haven't changed in years while inflation has risen. Not just engineers. Same thing in Italy, salaries haven't increased since '91

[Anonymous No.15727426]

>>15727394
Not him, but I once overheard my manager at Westinghouse complain that he didn't get a call back from literally 200 candidates for a junior nuclear engineering role. He almost certainly wasn't offering enough money or interesting enough work.

[Anonymous No.15727439]

>>15727426
Wait what does that mean? They didn't interview 200 people right?
Or did they is that how it is at big companies?

[Anonymous No.15727442]

After an application that includes my CV, references and a cover letter, will I have to go through something more than just an interview for a PhD position?

My last supervisor (just an associate professor in a cool albeit not very significant bio field, surely no hotshot curing cancer) told me the way he selected his (first and only) PhD student, that shit was a 90 candidates hunger game with multiple fucking stages, like 2 interviews, presentations on their last research, research assignments on a mistery topic... What the FUCK. All this for a 4 years contract where you are paid the country's minimum wage to do unpaid overtime.
Please tell me I won't have to go through this, ain't no way I am getting the job over 90 fucking candidates, not a fucking chance.

[Anonymous No.15727451]

>>15727439
It means he got ghosted 200 times trying to fill a position

[Anonymous No.15727462]

>>15727451
Oh, like recruiters asking people

[Anonymous No.15727684]

>>15727442
An interview is pretty standard, and possibly a short presentation on your previous research.

Don't sweat the odds too much. My current postdoc position supposedly had 300 people applying for it. I think most of them were people who didn't have any relevant experience tossing out a hail mary.

Finally, the secret sauce is having your foot in the door already. The thing about hiring PhD/postdoc people is that what someone looks like on paper isn't necessarily at all indicative of what they are like IRL. Early career researchers often have funding for only a very limited number of people, and getting rid of a PhD student prematurely isn't easy. Therefore hiring is very scary. What makes it much less scary is having someone you trust (possibly yourself) who already knows the candidate personally and can say they're actually not retarded. Therefore these positions will very very often go to someone who either did a project with the PI or someone the PI is buddies with.

[Anonymous No.15727778]

>>15726841
rural areas in a blue state are fine (unless you're in southern oregon where all the californians are invading. kill me.)

[Anonymous No.15727783]

>>15727233
pretty bad

[Anonymous No.15727793]

I'm currently a physics major. Would I need to double major in math to work in QFT?

[Anonymous No.15727860]

>>15711065
Does anyone at work at general dynamics, if so how is it. I have an interview with them coming up

[Anonymous No.15727943]

>>15727860
I hope the job isn't in Groton. I have known probably 3 dozen people who lived there either in the navy or in shipbuilding and every single one hated it.

[Anonymous No.15727947]

>>15727402
is this a big revelation? maybe there were specific fields where this managed to not be the case for the last 20 years, but in general it was completely obvious to everyone else

what happened, did it finally happen to people that thought they were invincible? physics maybe?

[Anonymous No.15728022]

>>15727793
As long as you have some theory modules in there or even a module on QFT itself you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.15728273]

>>15727294
>Would that be something good enough to at least get a foot in the door somehwere?
Yes. It shows you have initiative and willing to do something w/o someone telling you to do it.

[Anonymous No.15728343]

>>15727793
no, just take qft-related courses and math electives
you will compete with math majors for phd positions though

[Anonymous No.15728626]

>>15727684
I hate this shit...

[Anonymous No.15728635]

Working in production for oil and gas is so cucked I’m glad I got out of there a few years ago

>dude cover for retarded operators constantly they’ll try to slide every difficult decision on you so they can throw you under the bus
>dude turnaround
>dude budget cuts every year can you push that critical maintenance farther out
>boss: hey I know the unit is upsetting at 2pm on a Friday anyways I have to go watch my trooned out kids softball game you got it covered though right

Total plant death, and so many employees there are so totally buck broken mind and spirit, and just have a “well I can’t do anything else” mindset

[Anonymous No.15728705]

>>15727294
Absolutely, it's very much recommended even for professionals. Go for it anon!

[Anonymous No.15728952]

>failed the first introductory course for EE
maybe I'm just too retarded for EE. That g+basic circuits course is the only one I failed, despite all my other courses going pretty well. Should I attempt the course again or change majors to something less difficult?

[Anonymous No.15729545]

>>15727426
Young people won't even work in oil and gas because they think the entire industry is going away, now imagine how they must feel about fucking nuclear, which is basically already dead. They want to put you in a role with no future and then pay you peanuts.

[Anonymous No.15729601]

>>15711065
I'm leaving actuarial work to get a masters in statistics. What kind of companies or industries should I target for Data Science roles or something similar?

[Anonymous No.15729899]

I just got an offer for a staff role at a national lab. Any anons got any advice? Pay and job seem good.

[Anonymous No.15729915]

got selected for a pre-screening phone interview for an internship
idk what to expect since ive never actually gotten an interview before
is there anything i should do to get ready beforehand?

[Anonymous No.15729976]

Bros
I just want to make the big bucks
Why is it so hard to escape $70k a year hell

[Anonymous No.15730110]

>>15729601
You want companies with good data management. It sucks working with companies where all the data is messy, stuck in some shoddy datalake. So look for companies that have larger data science teams where they don't dump the data engineering work on you.

>>15729915
Read up on the company. They always ask "what made you apply", "what about the company interests you", etc. You need to come up with a good reason why you and your educational and personal background would make a great fit with the company.

[Anonymous No.15730164]

>>15728952
Try it again and this time study. Seriously the 40 hours of studying for your classes is not a suggestion, it's a requirement.

[Anonymous No.15730308]

>>15711065
>tech school
> 3rd year technical communication major
>school offers it as a bachelor of science so taking sci gen eds
>currently have a part time job in oil helping with documentation and proposals, heavily implied that I will be given full time position upon graduation

Is this not the ideal situation for an undergrad? Despite undergoing a lot of tech classes, I feel like I should be in a more applied tech/sci major. I have like 10 others in my major as a whole, I feel a bit illegitimate. I definitely am not taking the same difficulty of coursework than others in terms of major focused classes, am I not doing enough?

[Anonymous No.15730314]

>>15730308
Also, I do like what I'm doing, but should I be striving for more?

[Anonymous No.15730398]

I've been sent 2 assignments at work and I just ignored them. People have been making veiled comments about how I don't do anything. There's a weird atmosphere at work. I have another job lined up on Monday but it's worse and don't want to switch but feel like I might have to.

[Anonymous No.15730427]

>>15730398
I'm on this wavelength as well, you just need to do any work in which they explicitly state the deadline.

[Anonymous No.15730433]

>>15730398
I unironically spent near an entire work week playing Bloons Tower Defense 6. Got a project monday, did it all friday. Pros of having your own office.

[Anonymous No.15730437]

>bust my ass
>get a STEM degree
>work for a group of people everyone hates
Such is life.

[Anonymous No.15730443]

>>15716567
Those people didn't force me into anything. All they did was fuck up everything I wanted for myself. Then they said, "You can be our submissive slave bitch and sit in the cuckseat we put in your cubicle, of you can fuck off." I chose to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15730483]

>>15730164
yeah I definitely will this time. The worst part of failing isn't that the material was super hard, in fact I mostly grasped it. But, I was too much of a lazy bastard. I think this is carry-over from my school life because back then I didn't give a shit about my education, and thats affecting me now, I can't ever study consistently. Pretty much everyone, from family, friends and professors drilled into my head that EE is pretty difficult and I gotta study hard for it, but none of it got through. Failing was all my fault.

[Anonymous No.15730496]

>>15730483
Yeah you got the baby's first EE class, of course it was easy. Just wait, I was the same, until I got hit with discrete/continuous time signals and microprocessors and got a rude awakening. You're going to have to learn how to either study or cram the day before.

[Anonymous No.15730508]

>>15725924
IQ is astrology for pseudo-intellectuals. I tested for 135-140 range several times but I have a shit CGPA and feel like the dumbest fucker in my college.

[Anonymous No.15730514]

>>15726194
So, basically AI/ML job market is kill? I was gonna go down the data science path while being in EE. I wanted to get into those research roles so I need a Masters and PhD, but was hesitant since they cost a lot of money in my country. Looks like its just not worth it, especially since I won't be able to afford them in a lean, low-paying job market. My country doesn't even have that many roles for data scientists, I was hoping to work in a research position abroad.

[Anonymous No.15730535]

>>15730496
wtf does it get even worse? Everyone told me its the first courses that are the hardest, because they're trying to weed out people who aren't dedicated/hardworking enough and then it gets easier in the 2nd/3rd/4th years.

[Anonymous No.15730669]

>>15730535
Dude it gets way worse.
The class average for the test scores in my electronic devices class was in the 20s (out of 100)

[Anonymous No.15730679]

Help me choose a new path for my career life.

I completed a CS MSc degree. I took courses for gamedev and wrote my thesis on it too, because I worked for a tiny game company as a student until it went under. Also, I eventually realized I don't want to do games professionally.

What can I do with my CS degree? I suck at math, even though I did it as a minor subject. I dislike physics, chemistry and other traditional engineering subjects. I don't want to do some cookie cutter webdev thrash jobs either.

[Anonymous No.15730968]

I'm pretty sure Boeing rejects my applications on some kind of automated basis. I always get the rejection emails in a batch all at once at like 3 AM. I'm white btw. Not sure if that could be the reason but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

[Anonymous No.15731003]

>>15730968
Their system is fucking shite and you're getting filtered by the ATS system.

>I'm white btw. Not sure if that could be the reason but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.
oh, you're an imbecile to boot.

Fix your resume to hit the keywords on the postings and you'll make it through.

[Anonymous No.15731699]

I always thought that those tech inclined hippie types that are given enormous salaries to essentially do nothing but advise employees were a myth until I met one. I don’t know what makes these guys so invaluable to executives.

[Anonymous No.15731821]

Is working as a statistician actually difficult? According to what I'vre read from other fora, people claim that statisticians be underrated and not just code monkeys that stitch numbers together, but I've played for ten years in an orchestra, and I constantly heard the mantra that "every instrument is just as difficult :)", but percussion and brass are so fucking braindead compared to violin or piano that you can easily learn them within a few months. Is it the same with statisticians, that they are engaging in some eternal cope that they have talent too and statty lives matter?

[Anonymous No.15731829]

>>15730535
Oh yeah, way worse. The first courses are not even close to the hardest. I don't know who the person who told you the intro class is one of the hardest classes but they did you a disservice. The real filter is 2nd/3rd year classes.

[Anonymous No.15731832]

>my field never gets mentioned in these threads
Not sure if if that's a good or bad thing, my wage is just as shit as all of yours though. Hoping my zoomer cohort will just stay away, which they are, so I can get 6 figures in 5-10 years when there's 0 supply of engineers in my field.

[Anonymous No.15731855]

>>15731832
>engineer
run of the mill autists, you are not special.
MY field gets never mentioned because it's filled with women and other normoids

[Anonymous No.15731867]

>>15731821
Statistician is too broad a term. There are research statisticians, field statisticians, machine learning statisticians, and there are those who are basically R monkeys.

[Anonymous No.15731893]

>>15731832
Provide some details and insight and it will be in the FAQ.

[Anonymous No.15732097]

Why is manufacturing engineering the best engineering major?

[Anonymous No.15732117]

>>15711065
I currently work in the nuclear industry , and moved up north after school to get great career related experience. Total of 3 years of experience, with a Nuclear Reactor Operations certification. I'd really really want to go back south but none of the local power plants are hiring jobs that would be a logical next step. So im just burying my time getting more certifications with ASQ and working as hard as possible within my job.

I just really want to go back home, but im worried by the time that i find the next logical step i will be so comfortable in this job . I get paid very well for intense work that nearly burns me out every week. However it is beyond rewarding.

Not sure what to do , boys. I have refused to search for relationships due to the likelihood of finding love anchoring me down in this area for the foreseeable future. I dont want to pause my life like this , but the south is where i need to be to be truly happy.

[Anonymous No.15732152]

>>15731821
Almost nobody who studied statistics works as a "statistician", they're either in DS, ML, or IB.
The crappy ones end up as analysts together with econ majors.
So look into the above mentioned to get an idea of how hard those jobs are.

[Anonymous No.15732168]

Nearing end of 2nd year of PhD and I'm already having papers written and doing talks. Better than the chaotic start of my first year.

Am I gonna make it?

[Anonymous No.15732172]

>>15730968
>he doesnt put hispanic, at a minimum, on all his applications
lmao. you could also put trans/nigger/etc but that requires more work than just saying youre hispanic.

[Anonymous No.15732207]

>>15730669
This. Not an ee major, but I regularly overhear kids who are on their third and final attempt at an EE class stressing the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.15732288]

>>15732168
god shut up SHUT UP look for validation somewhere else

[Anonymous No.15732320]

>>15732288
Sorry, it's just I have no idea on the benchmark for academia especially considering the odd first year I had.
I also hear of people with shitloads of papers by the end so I don't even know if I'm doing well or not.

As an aside, how much of a pain in the ass is it to get anywhere in academic pharmaceutical research?

[Anonymous No.15732368]

>>15732320
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

[Anonymous No.15732386]

>>15732117
what's so different about the south? the bayou?

[Anonymous No.15732388]

>>15730679
You could look at a supplementary field to your work, like say biology, and grabbing a spot in bioinformatics or similar in other fields.

Having someone able to cross between two fields is something both companies and academia love to jerk themselves over, at least what I've heard from multiple professors and senior staff over on the biology side of things.

Of course, raw CS research is also an option with shit like ML subjects booming, I guess.

[Anonymous No.15732398]

>>15732386
The south is far more enjoyable , i have family there , and the people just aren't rude like they are up here in the northern areas.

There is something nice about a small southern town , it makes the world feel a whole lot less cold. So one day , i will go back home and then find a southern girl - just worried that the power plants back home still wont have job openings.

[Anonymous No.15732453]

>>15732320
You are cute and valid PhD xister

[Anonymous No.15732457]

>>15732168
>Am I gonna make it?
We all hope for the best but until you are done you just do not know. Crucial equipment can blow up and set you back, key people can leave/fall ill, we might get another lockdown...
So just keep up the tempo, do not relax until you are completely finished.

[Anonymous No.15732476]

>>15732457
Cheers, I had to deal with one supervisor leaving and a collaborator being largely absent. But out of both I've gotten some good things out of it.

I'd like to at least point out that sometimes a supervisor leaving isn't a derailment even early on, I kept in contact and as a result I got strong collaborations in other universities.

Though, does anyone else have experiences with project students that they've had to supervise?
And in general how do you spot students of all levels that are any good?
Most of my colleagues have nothing but bad experiences with project students either being useless or hazardous to work with.

[Anonymous No.15732483]

Is engineering-physics/applied-physics a meme degree? It seems like it is not offered at every college and it's vague as to what they actually do.

[Anonymous No.15732575]

>>15732483
>engineering-physics
I don't know about this
>applied-physics
I did that, then a PhD. Would recommend.

[Anonymous No.15732645]

I don't know what job to take. I don't want either of them but I need to make money. I already put the decision off for 2 weeks and now I can't delay anymore or I lose the job. I have to start on Monday if I want it. I just not ready. And of course I get migraine today which is sapping my strength.

[Anonymous No.15732651]

>>15731829
Kek.
When I was in school as an EE undergrad I fell for the "first year classes are the filter classes it's smooth sailing after freshman year" and then I was shocked when every year I showed up the classes just kept getting harder and harder.
By the time I was a senior I was unironically begging and praying just to barely pass.

[Anonymous No.15732685]

>>15732575
I think universities call applied physics "engineering physics" sometimes. I'm wondering if I can go from an aerospace engineering bachelors to an applied/engineering physics master's or PhD.

I'm also curious would you consider yourself more an engineer or a physicist? There isn't much info out there about applied physicists and what they do.

[Anonymous No.15732690]

>>15732651
In a way they are the filter classes. Someone who can't even pass 1st year classes has no hope of passing later classes.

[Anonymous No.15732712]

>>15732483
>>15732575
>>15732685

There's probably some differences between countries here. At least where I'm from, engineering physics was studied at a university specializing in engineering and technology, and you graduated with an "engineering diploma" directly translated. In contrast, applied physics was not a separate degree/course from theoretical physics at the undergrad level, you'd just study "physics" and graduate with an MSc.

Having an engineering diploma can be more valuable as it is a formal requirement for certain jobs (and I think in certain countries you have a pipeline for becoming a licensed engineer, so to speak, requiring such a degree). However unlike most engineering degrees which have rather clear-cut jobs associated with the degree, engineering physics is a bit more generic. It's also maybe less recognizable than a "normal" physics degree or a "normal" engineering degree. This is just my two cents, but the standard physics degree was more in line with what I wanted intellectually.

The thing with physics is that it's a very broad field.

[Anonymous No.15732947]

>>15732685
>There isn't much info out there about applied physicists and what they do.

I wanted to address this, since it's true that applied physics is a generic term that doesn't suggest a specific profession. That's largely because, as mentioned, physics is a broad subject. The unhelpful definition is that applied physics is the subset of physics concerned with topics of (usually) technological significance. These topics can range from semiconductors to optics, nuclear technology, quantum information and a massive range besides.

This is obviously too broad for anyone to simultaneously master in its entirety. Therefore applied physicists would generally do a general physics undergrad, with possible specialist courses in their area of interest at the end. At this level, the "applied" track doesn't diverge much from "theoretical" physics and many universities don't have a formal split between the two. It follows that you usually don't acquire enough specialized knowledge during undergrad to directly start working on the kinds of problems industry is tackling.

For most people university ends there. They generally don't work as physicists afterwards. Those that do end up in a technological role generally have a job title that isn't "physicist". Given this, it's hard to say what the average applied physicist does. Probably code/excel monkey.

(1/2)

[Anonymous No.15732949]

>>15732947

(2/2)

Maybe the clearest physics careers exist within academia. PhD takes the specialization further, to the point where you're actually solving problems. People doing research in different branches of applied physics usually can't just pick up and perfectly comprehend research from another branch. At this level, the field boundaries become fuzzy and you will find applied physics groups with chemists, materials scientists, engineers, computer scientists who fit in perfectly well.

Most PhDs still end up outside academia, but applied physics PhDs have a decent shot at careers like R&D that make use of their specialist knowledge. In addition, the tools you used to answer research questions (such as simulations, optics, microscopy, instrument building) may be employable beyond your research area. Of course, the industries and job titles will vary widely. Then you have generic science PhD jobs like patent law, code monkey, science publishing, consultancy which you probably wouldn't call scientists.

[Anonymous No.15732961]

>>15726194
ML is a massive, oversaturated crab bucket, industry work is redundant, and most of the "research" are just arbitrary results on arbitrary benchmarks with no underlying rationale. There is no method to the madness, and ppl who claim otherwise are talking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15733075]

What STEM field allows you the most variety in industry?

I'm inspired by people like von Neumann, Wolfgang Pauli, Djkistra, Brain May, and funnily enough Futurama writers who were credentialed scientists and comedy writers.

Ideally, I'd love something engineering that has the option to bounce between technology, healthcare, agriculture, finance and entertainment / multimedia with additional schooling besides self-study.

Hard Mode: Help me find something outside of software. Primarily because a SWE is never really interacting with the juicer parts of those industries. (i.e., you might code Pixar's RenderMan but you don't get to design movie characters for the company too).

Does such a versatile discipline exist?

[Anonymous No.15733087]

>>15731003
>oh, you're an imbecile to boot.
Just close your eyes and pretend that they don't do preferential hiring for somewhat capable minorities guys. I'm Indian and I get in just fine.

[Anonymous No.15733089]

>>15732117
Try applying to some the nuclear plants in Florida, maybe?

Florida's not entirely like the rest of the South but would be a decent compromise.

>Can also work at power plants
Are you a NuclearEng or EE by chance?

[Anonymous No.15733170]

should i stay at the redneck refinery or go to L3Harris

[Anonymous No.15733239]

>>15731832
Are you like Civil Engineering or something?

>>15731855
Medicine or Psychology?

[Anonymous No.15733240]

>>15733170
Is L3Harris pozzed as fuck, and are you willing to tolerate it? Then yes otherwise no

[Anonymous No.15733265]

>>15733240
>Is L3Harris pozzed as fuck
Yes
>and are you willing to tolerate it?
I don't know.
It feels weird to do all this work to get in with a big company and then just ghost them. But I guess that's the kind of man I am.

[Anonymous No.15733269]

>>15733265
>a big company and then just ghost them
There was a time in my parents or possible your grandparents generation where individuals worked for the same company for years and years. Nowadays I'd say jump around.

[Anonymous No.15733352]

>>15733075
mechanical engineering.

[Anonymous No.15733741]

>>15733239
right in the middle

[Anonymous No.15733751]

>>15732645
>And of course I get migraine today which is sapping my strength.
Standard advice:
- get enough sleep
- dial down on sugar and junk food
- get some exercise
- get enough fresh air

[Anonymous No.15733753]

>>15732476
>does anyone else have experiences with project students that they've had to supervise?
All students are kind of retarded, even the smart ones. The best way to deal with them is to minimize the risk of them doing something wrong, and then some of them might pleasantly surprise you with competence. Give very clear instructions, I found that writing short guides for (even for basic tasks) is very helpful.

>>15732483
Varies a lot by country, in some places it's electrical engineering + physics, in some countries it includes things like automatic control and vehicle systems, it really depends.

>>15733075
That's not variety, those are entirely different professions.
Funnily enough, I think the closest thing to what you describe is game development at an indie game company. You'd be forced to code, design the characters, do the graphic design, and if you found it yourself you even have to do the financial stuff. You can even the game be about healthcare/agriculture kek.
Of course, starting an indie game company is a terrible idea, but it sort of fits your description.

[Anonymous No.15733762]

>>15732685
>I'm also curious would you consider yourself more an engineer or a physicist?
I don't really think so much about the distinction. The founding prfessor said the study was designed provide the link between academic research and industrial use.
>There isn't much info out there about applied physicists and what they do.
Well, we kind of do it all. AKA "it is great to be good!" So I got a wide foundation ranging from power electro to quantum mechanics. The professor was very concerned about they way top think and approach problems: not by regurgitating stuff from books, but rather see the patterns from the book and apply the underlying principles to fresh problems. You will be surprised to see how conservative many are, applying old solutions to new problems without even thinking about underlying principles, root causes or the fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.15734093]

>first in mathematics undergrad
>want to do a phd in computational social science
talk me out of it bros

[Anonymous No.15734289]

>>15734093
Computational science/engineering can easily steal computational social "science" positions, it's objectively superior unless there's a specific professor's research group you plan on getting into.

[Anonymous No.15734317]

WHAT? apparently I need to work for 5 years to even be eligibile to take the PE exam. I might as well just get a phd instead

[Anonymous No.15734593]

>>15734317
Consider that a) you get paid a salary during those 5 years, not the PhD stipend pittance b) you accumulate work experience during those 5 years, whereas nobody counts PhD towards work experience c) the PE will lead to a substantial salary bump whereas a PhD does not d) the PE makes you more employable whereas a PhD makes you less employable.

TL;DR: Do you want to be a well-paid professional in a mid-senior position and years of savings or a fresh graduate with no experience and no savings in an entry-level position by the time you reach 30 years of age?

[Anonymous No.15734685]

>>15734317
5 years of industry experience + PE > PhD every single time. There's a reason why very few engineers ever go higher than a bachelor's degree, it's just not worth it unless you want to do something very specific.

[Anonymous No.15734696]

>>15734093
>computational social science
So you read the Foundation trilogy?

[Anonymous No.15734712]

>>15734696
i read them and enjoyed them but that's unrelated. im very interested in the study of propaganda

[Anonymous No.15734725]

>>15733751
thank but i think it is more like something is wrong with my brain
they always come in pairs, yesterday was right side, now today i woke up with the left side

[Anonymous No.15734982]

>>15720182
you are kinda of fucked biological sciences degrees have the worst job utility outside of medicine, dentistry, research, lab, and health stuff

[Anonymous No.15735025]

>>15727233
same as my bs in biology bro dog shit lol

[Anonymous No.15735295]

Why am I in uni again? I really don't want to be here. After 2 years I still don't even know what a computer engineer does.

[Anonymous No.15735317]

A pretty big company, were I'd like to do my internship, is doing an online event to show what it's like to work there. After a presentation they'll let the participants ask questions to some employees, talk with managers, and form small teams to try to tackle a typical real-life problem at the company.
The event is posted as a job/internship opening, and a CV and a cover letter are required. My question is: what do I write in the cover letter?
Since it's just an online event, wouldn't it be out of place to include the usual sappy paragraph about why I like the company so much, why I am a good fit (for what even? this is just an online event), and so on?

Also, reading cover letter examples online, it seems that nobody is shy of openly complimenting themselves, but I very much dislike it. Should I do it anyway? And what if I'm just mediocre in certain areas, do I outright lie?

[Anonymous No.15735319]

>>15735295
go flip burgers for a few weekends and you will remember why

[Anonymous No.15735332]

>>15735319
The government should just pay me to be a NEET

[Anonymous No.15735386]

>>15733265
I looked into L3Harris employment recently and they seem to pay pretty well. I would take this chance because you'll get a clearance and you can use this to jump to a different defense contractor and have a bargaining chip for a sign on bonus. I've never worked at a refinery, but I might assume they pay well for the work you do, I just don't know if you will reach a cap there.

[Anonymous No.15735424]

>>15733265
It's sort of normal now for engineers to job hop and gain more experience, if you can handle moving that is. As to defense contractors being pozzed, the globohomo leadership are but the engineers and trades you will work with might or might not be. I thought that my job was going to be filled with pozzed up engineers but really there's only one tranny and everyone else just shit talks him behind his back.

[Anonymous No.15735438]

>>15735386
The problem is they were going to hire me as an optical engineer, which is a much more specialized role than electrical engineer IMO. Plus I live in flyover country and the opportunities for optics here seems limited, most of the optics work seems to be happening on the west coast and I'd rather kill myself than move to AZ or CA.
People talk about a clearance like it's a big deal for employability but I don't see what's so special about it, it wasn't a big deal for them to get me one.
The pay is ok I guess. They originally offered me $80k and then jumped up to $92k. I've never seen someone move that much. The refinery is still higher though.

[Anonymous No.15735450]

The job at L3 was going to be pretty cool though, basically what I'd be doing is setting up the optical equipment and then flying to Hawaii about once a month to take it up in an experimental aircraft and collect data from "transient flash events" (missile explosions)
But I just don't think it's a good idea to pigeon hole myself into that kind of experience, especially when I know there aren't any other optical opportunities around here really.

[Anonymous No.15735468]

>>15735424
When I went onsite for the interview one of the questions was "Marvel or DC?"
That was when I knew I might not be at the right place.

[Anonymous No.15735490]

>>15735438
>The refinery is still higher though.
Oh well stick with the refinery then fuck that. If it's in CA even more so, you're going to be making shit money after you take into account their taxes and high cost of living.
>>15735468
Yeah that's pretty gay but you can just tell them you don't care about comic books or their movies and they'll shut up about it.

[Anonymous No.15735498]

>>15735490
No I'm saying the L3 job I was offered is in my state but looking down the road in the future if I want to job hop to another optics position I would likely have to move to where all the optics stuff is happening.
>Yeah that's pretty gay but you can just tell them you don't care about comic books or their movies and they'll shut up about it.
It was actually a hot girl who asked it so I had conflicting feelings.

[Anonymous No.15735516]

>>15735498
Well shit don't know what to tell you then. Also stay away from women like that, they're notorious whores.

[Anonymous No.15735647]

Do I just start making up experience and internships to get a job? I'm getting really desperate at this point.

[Anonymous No.15735660]

>>15735317
don't lie about anything that you can be checked on.
other than that, lie.

[Anonymous No.15735820]

I began a Biochemistry BSc. with the intention of NOT selling my soul into pharma/biotech startup scams and instead venturing into the public sector or non-pharma bio/chem or even academia. Now it's about to be over and I can't wait to sell my soul to the highest bidder.

[Anonymous No.15735856]

>>15732690
so its over for me because I failed the first EE course

[Anonymous No.15735860]

>>15734593
>the PE makes you more employable whereas a PhD makes you less employable.
that's bullshit anon

a PE makes you more employable doing mediocre shit, a PhD makes you more employable doing actually cool shit

no horse in this race, I stopped at a master's, but most of my coworkers have PhDs

[Anonymous No.15735881]

>>15735856
It's not necessarily over but it's a wake up call that you aren't going to breeze through it.

[Anonymous No.15735885]

>>15728952
depends on how serious you are for EE, i got filtered my first year and moved to CS which is significantly easier
this was the correct career move for midwits in the late 2010s, i'm not sure if i advise it now though.

[Anonymous No.15736157]

>>15735881
yeah, I really need to get my shit together. My old lazy faggorty is finally catching up to me.
>>15735885
I'll be honest, its a bit personal for me to pass EE undergrad too. When I was weighing between CS and EE, alot of people were discouraging me from choosing EE because it was too difficult for someone of "my caliber". They were kinda right, I spent my entirety of school life being a lazy bastard who never studied. So, I need to atleast prove to myself that I can get my shit together, work hard and overcome difficult subjects. Which is whats stopping me from switching, our EE department is already small and many switch to CS, business or arts by the second or third semester, I don't wanna be like that.

[Anonymous No.15736414]

>>15734725
Too much stress will do that, just give it a try.
Remember: humans were engineered to live in the jungle where "work" was reaching for another banana. Then someone invented civilization, and we still haven't recovered.

[Anonymous No.15736550]

>>15711065
How does it feel to be a scientist all the time? How does it feel to be basically a writer of a story with no characters asking “WhyWhyWhywhyWhYwHYWHy” everytime unnoticed of their consciousness?

[Anonymous No.15736653]

>>15736157
>alot of people were discouraging me from choosing EE because it was too difficult for someone of "my caliber".
that's what pushed me to finish my degree as well. i just got tired of being shitted on and finished my degree out of spite

>many switch to CS
it's not always about intellectual ability, many EE majors at my uni applied to both CS and EE internships and simply just changed majors based on whichever got them a better job
there's no shame in seeing a better job opportunity and just taking it.
when i was in school, all of the EEs who made fun of CS majors quickly shut up once they learned their friends were making 10k a month as an intern

[Anonymous No.15736678]

>>15736550
>How does it feel to be a scientist all the time?
Fantastic!
>How does it feel to be basically a writer of a story with no characters asking “WhyWhyWhywhyWhYwHYWHy” everytime unnoticed of their consciousness?
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.15736691]

>>15736157
>They were kinda right, I spent my entirety of school life being a lazy bastard who never studied. So, I need to atleast prove to myself that I can get my shit together, work hard and overcome difficult subjects.
Honestly, having fucked up school and gotten my shit together later, I think there's 2 things that matter

1. you just need to find something to study that you actually give a shit about.
Is there something in EE that actually interests you, or are you just doing it because it's "hard"?

2. you need to find peers that inspire you
My grades in college were dogshit until I made friends at school. Having people to fuck around with helped me get my ass to class in the morning.

t. Another EE dropout turned CS grad

[Anonymous No.15736713]

Many with a technical degree go for an MBA. Here is one ranking:
https://archive.is/DeFh8

[Anonymous No.15736727]

>>15736713
i think one of my biggest concerns about an mba is how expensive they are

[Anonymous No.15736758]

>>15736727
You really need to get a workplace to sponsor your MBA, so not worth it otherwise

[Anonymous No.15736785]

>>15736758
What if they know I’m a shitter and that there is no value in me getting an mba

[Anonymous No.15737010]

>>15736727
>>15736758
In some euro countries your government scholarship covers it (Norway and Sweden in particular)
There are also probably scholarships for burgers to do an MBA too, albeit more competitive.