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15710633 No.15710633 [Reply] [Original]

People 2000 years ago in the indus valley deduced this knowledge. I think it's high time science catches up amd stops trying to pull the territory out of the map.

>> No.15710640

>>15710633
Consciousness is simply not a scientific subject. Culture needs to catch up with that.

>> No.15710644

>>15710633
People in the industry valley 2000 years ago also deduced that sacrifice cattle to the rain goddess brings bountiful harvests. I wouldn't go to ancient societies for scientific knowledge

>> No.15710646

>>15710640
Of course it is. You can attempt to model its dynamics like Donald Hoffman is currently doing with his Conscious Agent Theory.

>> No.15710649

>>15710644
How is this different from modern climate science?

>> No.15710700

>>15710646
> You can attempt to model its dynamics like Donald Hoffman is currently doing with his Conscious Agent Theory.
That's probably exactly what OP means by "pulling the territory out of the map".

>> No.15710745

It can be accounted for in terms of whatever it is that causes people to talk about consciousness, and in terms of what can cause it to stop and start again, and in terms of how it communicates with the environment. That's plenty to be getting on with

>> No.15710746

>>15710745
Nonsensical babble.

>> No.15710765

>>15710746
You have an enormous amount of concrete information about your own consciousness. You know that it appears to stop when you fall asleep, you know that it is connected to certain flows of information inside your body but not others. You know that it can produce output in the world because otherwise nobody would talk as if it existed- a passive observer doesn't get to say out loud that it's a passive observer.

>> No.15710779

>>15710765
None of this has any bearing what Schrödinger is alluding to.

>> No.15710782

Consciousness is the third grade up from matter(first grade), energy(second grade) and _____ (third grade). The third grade is like the center of a cyclone or black hole. Consciousness is this.

>> No.15710886
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15710886

>>15710782
This. Except the grading goes like that:

>energy - e=mc2
>AI - e=mc2+AI
>IQ - e=mc2+AIQ
>consciousness - e=mC2+AIQ with a big C

>> No.15711158

>>15710633
>Age of consent cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For age of consent is not absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.
>Erwin Schrodinger

>> No.15711187

>>15710633
Current paradigm will continue until (((they))) are removed from academia

>> No.15711203
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15711203

I am not conscious, and neither are you.

I am not conscious, and neither are you.

I am not conscious, and neither are you.

I am not conscious, and neither are you.

>> No.15711261

>>15710633
That was closer to 3000 years ago