/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15696963]

Is overpopulation a serious threat to humanity?

[Anonymous No.15696968]

>>15696963
No.

[Anonymous No.15696971]

Absolutely

[Anonymous No.15696973]

yes
also overconsumption

[Anonymous No.15696989]

>>15696963
No, but over consumption is. We need to have more babies in the west and less babies everywhere else

[Anonymous No.15696996]

>>15696963
no since europa has glyphosate fog from spain to central ural

[Anonymous No.15697008]

>>15696963
its not anon a lot of countries are going to face demographic collapse

[Anonymous No.15697011]

>>15696989
Not a serious threat to humanity. Worse case is more people die than usual for a while until we're under-consuming again.

[Anonymous No.15697050]

>>15696963
>Japan 6
yeah this map is bullshit

[Anonymous No.15697053]

>>15697050
>Source: Glownigger World Factbook
you think?

[Anonymous No.15697230]

>>15696963
When it will become a problem we'll already colonised mars.

[Anonymous No.15697245]

>>15697050
https://www.populationpyramid.net/japan/2023/

[Anonymous No.15697247]

As long as we keep them out, it's not.

[Anonymous No.15697248]

>>15697050
>yeah this map is bullshit
I can't tell if you think this number is too high or too low.

[Anonymous No.15697253]

>>15696963
Yes, there are far too many retards and parasites. If you voted for Biden then kill yourself, you are destroying civilization and you don't deserve to live anymore.

[Anonymous No.15697871]

>>15697248
do you live under a rock? Japan is going extinct.

[Anonymous No.15698328]

>>15697871
>Japan is going extinct
Why do people assume current trends of population decline by a few hundred thousands per year will hold true all the way until that population reaches 0?

[Anonymous No.15698341]

>>15698328
Normies are fucking retarded if you didn't realize.

[Anonymous No.15698513]

>>15698328
So you admit the map is horseshit, thanks for conceding.

[Anonymous No.15698515]

>>15696963
The Malthusian cult has been proven wrong about every single one of its predictions for over 200 years. Just let it go it go already. It's primitive pseudoscience. Its only function is to convince you to allow yourself to be culled by your inbred psychopath overlords.

[Anonymous No.15698519]

>>15697871
japan has twice the population of france but the same amount of babies born on the map. france birth rate: 1.83 japan birthrate: 1.34. Japan is literally in a better position then the map shows

[Anonymous No.15698521]

>>15697871
you retard, the map is biased towards countries with already large populations. what matters for the specific country is the birthrate not what percentage of the next 1000 babies are born there

[Anonymous No.15698522]

>>15697253
that image is retarded, the issue with plastic straws is mainly the shape not that they are made of plastic.

[Anonymous No.15698531]

>>15698522
>it's not the plastic, we just don't like the heckin' shape
Greentards are truly something else.

[Barkun No.15698539]

>>15698531
U wot m8

[Anonymous No.15698547]

>you can't make predictions! The trends might reverse!
also the same people :
>malthusians were wrong in the past so they will be wrong in the future!

[Anonymous No.15698550]

>>15698547
You are legit a mentally ill Malthusian muppet. Show me where I said anything remotely resembling:
>you can't make predictions! The trends might reverse!

[White Man's Burden is Real No.15698556]

>>15696963
> population decline in First World
> First World demand declines
> Economic collapse in Turd World
> All the cheap clerks, labourers and peasants loose jobs
> Decline of Western Aid
> Total Collapse in Turd World, Famine, disease etc
Decline and retreat of the West is a threat to the world, Whites going Extinct will literally cause Human Extinction.
Turd Word will devolve into pre colonisation era savagery and misery.
I am a Turd Worlder BTW

[Anonymous No.15698557]

>>15698531
retard doesnt even undestand the reasons given for a policy he doesnt like

[Anonymous No.15698561]

It's a threat to eurocucks. look at those numbers.

[Anonymous No.15698562]

>>15698531
its the shape and that its made of plastic thats the problem, plastic doesnt degrade in water as fast as cardboard so it holds its shape and gets stuck in sea animal throats

[Anonymous No.15698564]

>>15698557
I understand the reasons for greentard fascism just fine.

[Anonymous No.15698565]

>>15698562
>m-m-muh sea animals
>t. gigavaxxed maskmaxxer

[Anonymous No.15698566]

>>15698556
If everyone's a retard nobody is a retard. Jews will be push overs. How many Jews will there be like 6 million by then? They'll get shoad if they get uppity not even systematically. Retards don't care about the gay government laws. What a great plan.

[White Man's Burden is Real No.15698567]

>>15698561
It's OVER for eurocucks and whites in general

[Anonymous No.15698582]

>>15698556
>> population decline in First World
>> First World demand declines
The problem is that they import third worlders to replace their local population and keep the demand high

[Anonymous No.15698600]

>>15698582
The purchasing power of the invading rapefugees isn't the same.
Also despite their numbers they can't make up for the falling TFR and population decline.
Basically in long run Europe will turn into Turd World, so the "First World demand" will never return, infact you will see these rapefugees returning back to their shitholes because life in Europe is Hard if not for state provided GIBS, unlike their malarial tropical lands of plenty.
North America will look like Central and South America.
Europe will look like Africa

[Anonymous No.15698602]

>>15698565
if you dont care about sea turtles or whatever thats fine but please stop posting retarded facebook memes that misunderstand what the concern from enviromentalists even is

[Anonymous No.15698605]

>>15698602
I care about sea turtles. I just find it funny how the people who cry about sea turtles the loudest are maskmaxxers like you. Why didn't we hear your outcry about the massive damage to equatic environments done by your muzzle fetish?

[Anonymous No.15698611]

>>15698602
Look, here's the bitter truth of this matter: a lot more people would start caring about the environment if you and your likes got silenced and no one ever heard from you again. If I were a psychopath and I wanted to continue down the path of destroying the environment for my personal gain, I would arrange for people like YOU to represent the opposition. I would do my best to associate environmentalism with people like YOU to discred it.

[Anonymous No.15698614]

>>15698605
you dont know anything about me first of all and second of all someone being a hypocrite or prioritising other things sometimes doesnt mean their original point is invalid

[Anonymous No.15698617]

>>15698611
im not an enviromental activist, just a guy who dislikes retarded meme pictures

[Anonymous No.15698620]

>>15698566
I know what you're thinking the death penalty. If a mofo think he's getting the death penalty hell go all out cause why not.

[Anonymous No.15698622]

>>15698605
also can you post some evidence regarding you mask claim about the widespread damage caused by masks compared to plastic straws?

[Anonymous No.15698623]

>>15698614
>>15698617
>you dont know anything about me
I know everything about you. You and all your likes are identical clones. Now listen, you utter cretin: sea animals ingest plastic and die from it all the time. They are in fact a lot more likely to ingest a transparent and soft piece of plastic than they are a hard straw. You really need to off yourself. The sad thing is that I know what your entire worldview is based on: it's that one picture of a turtule with the straw stuck in its nostril. You are a corporate-media-programmed golem.

[Anonymous No.15698624]

>>15698623
well youre wrong but fine go one believing your delusions

[Anonymous No.15698626]

>>15698622
>the maskmaxxing muzzle fetishist doesn't even try to deny being one
>instead he denies the damage caused by his handlers and their mask mandates
LOL. I know everything about you.

[Anonymous No.15698628]

Buy me a big machine to turn plastic bottles into 3d filament and collect the bottles and I'll save the tortoise.

[Anonymous No.15698630]

>>15698626
well can you post your evidence? please make this maskmaxxer repent and see the light!

[Anonymous No.15698632]

>>15698624
>sea animals ingest plastic and die from it all the time. They are in fact a lot more likely to ingest a transparent and soft piece of plastic than they are a hard straw.
>this is a delusion somehow
You see what I mean when I say utter scum like you is inadvertantly working for the psychos who destroy this world? You need to be dragged out into the street and lynched brutally.

[Anonymous No.15698637]

>>15698632
i wont believe your claims without evidence, post it please

[Anonymous No.15698648]

>>15698637
I don't need you to believe anything. I just need you to be yourself and demonstrate my point, which you have been doing diligently. Keep invoking hatred and revulsion against yourself. It's a necessary step.

[Anonymous No.15698663]

>>15698648
now im wondering if you are the same scitzo i was arguing with here several months ago, he typed very much the same way, but with a bit more vitriol so maybe not

[Anonymous No.15698688]

>>15698663
Dude, look outside. Everyone hates you.

[Anonymous No.15698691]

>>15698688
now thats something he would say

[Anonymous No.15698694]

>>15698691
I don't know who "he" is but I hope he sees this and knows he's living rent-free in your head literally months later. lol. Posters here are truly mental.

[Anonymous No.15698701]

>>15698694
i dont post here often thats why i remember

[Anonymous No.15698705]

>>15698701
>i dont post here often
But "he's" probably here somehow every time you do post. Consider taking your medications and then reading up on plastic pollution before you unironically try to tell people transparent plastic wraps aren't more dangerous to aquatic animals than hard and clearly visible straws.

[Anonymous No.15698888]

yes but only for non-whites
/thread

[Anonymous No.15698926]

>>15696963
There is no overpopulation, just overniggification

[Anonymous No.15698934]

>>15696963

both china and india are below replacement rates. african fertility rates are also falling across the continent

[Anonymous No.15698939]

no, if anything we are facing underpopulation issues

[Anonymous No.15698965]

>>15698939
I hope oil will end soon so all retards like you will be killed by hungry urban NPCs.

[Anonymous No.15698972]

>oil will end soon
Holy shit, golems ACTUALLY believe this.

[Anonymous No.15699075]

>>15696963
Underpopulation of intelligent people(European ethnicities) is a serious threat to humanity.

[Anonymous No.15699160]

>>15699075
what about intelligent people of non-european ethnicities

[Anonymous No.15699176]

>>15696963
I am sure this is fine

[Anonymous No.15699188]

>>15698556
I have faith in the East Asians to carry the torch of civilization once it it dies out in Europe and the West; their numbers may dwindle, but they are a highly capable and intelligent race (perhaps lagging behind NW Euros in terms of sheer innovative and creative potential, but nevertheless they still have it), and not replacing themselves and going extinct in the process.

[Anonymous No.15699189]

>>15699176
Japanese truly are honorary whites.

[Anonymous No.15699190]

>>15696963
Overpopulation of Africa is a problem

[Anonymous No.15700315]

>>15699188
East Asia literally has worse birth rates than Europe or it's diaspora peoples (Americas, Oceania). They're at like 1.0 on average.

[Anonymous No.15700336]

>>15697871
They are under their replacemente rate and 6 is correct, the graph shows absolute values not relative to total population.

[Anonymous No.15700489]

>>15696963
>Is overpopulation a serious threat to humanity?

No, but overconsumption, resource mismanagement/allocation, and poor population distribution is and is probably going to become a threat in the coming decades. If I'm allowed to be pessimistic we've probably already been impacted by this starting in 2015.

To get into specifics: Poverty isn't free.
Poverty costs resources. People in poverty unironically consume and waste more resources than people living a lower-to-middle-class lifestyle. Maybe this will be somebodies "lightbulb" moment, but somebody living in poverty ironically does not possess the resources to neither be a productive citizen, nor efficiently consume resources. I think the average homeless person in America costs the public 40,000 USD a year just in vagrant shenanigans. (Meanwhile, most 1st world nations that stopped drafting citizens did so because the average citizen was producing potentially 8 million dollars worth of labor/value in their working lifetime, so sending them off to die was considered a waste.) Now, with that in mind apply that same phenomena to the literal billions of people in China, Africa, and India who're in even worse poverty. This isn't even remotely sustainable.

Furthermore, it's often just one thing after another: poverty leads to resource mismanagement, resource mismanagement often leads to corruption, corruption leads to poverty, repeat until the environment is destroyed and people are eating each other. Likewise, solutions can often be deceptive. For example; you want people to stop having so many kids? Get them a television: more effective than condoms and more consistently available than birth control.

[Anonymous No.15700501]

>>15700315
Yes but that problem is a lot more fixable than what Europe is going through which is that + replacement migration.

[Anonymous No.15701002]

It's a threat to the first world

[Anonymous No.15701719]

There is room for everyone on earth to have a tiny house in Delaware.

[Anonymous No.15701818]

>>15696963
No, coordinated class warfare is a threat to the poors mental.

[Anonymous No.15701848]

>>15696963
Wow that's grim.

[Anonymous No.15701854]

>>15696963
Population collapse is happening. Birth rates are dropping like crazy. On top of that, people aren't marrying, people are "transitioning" and castrating themselves. Governments are promoting castration of children. Grooming of homosexuals kids for older elites

[Anonymous No.15701885]

>>15696963
Yes, but only if there are too many shitskins

[Anonymous No.15701889]

>>15698939
Shalom

[Anonymous No.15702010]

>>15701854
>Population collapse is happening.
>Birth rates are dropping like crazy.
These two things are not the same.
Birth rates are decreasing, not in an especially crazy way, but population is still going up for the next 50 years or more. Africa will see its population triple or quadruple over this century (after having it multiplied by 10 during the previous one).

[Anonymous No.15702022]

>>15702010
>These two things are not the same.
Its actually the same thing.

If people dont have children, then population collapse happens. Today's birthrate problem is tomorrow's population collapse.

[Anonymous No.15702050]

>>15702022
Today is not the same thing as tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.15702475]

>>15698513
People still have babies in Japan

[Anonymous No.15702489]

>>15702475
End game for humanity is that anyone who wants to escape neoliberalism has to live in the most ridiculous corners of the earth where tsunamis and nukes are just a part of the culture. We'll win anyway.

[Anonymous No.15702663]

>>15698328
It's about as dumb as people that think the birth rate will magically correct itself as the population declines without some major social change.

[Anonymous No.15702672]

>>15702663
Why wouldn't it? It "magically" went down in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15702678]

>>15702672
In countries where there is actual Malthusian pressure on the population there is no problem with the birth rate (see Africa). Having less than 2 children per women is due to social changes that are independent of the total population and there is no automatic mechanism to reverse this as the population starts decreasing.

[Anonymous No.15702680]

>>15702672
It didn't go down magically though

[Anonymous No.15702692]

>>15702678
If people need kids to have a better life, more people have kids; if they don't, fewer do. You're hysterical.
>>15702680
Read the post I replied to.

[Anonymous No.15702700]

>>15702692
>You're hysterical.
You don't know what that word means if you think either of my posts were written in a hysterical tone

>If people need kids to have a better life, more people have kids
Read my post again. If the population of Japan declines by half but current Japanese culture is the same will people suddenly be more likely to need kids?

[Anonymous No.15702702]

>>15702700
Hysterical means you're speaking from your womb.
>current Japanese culture is the same will people suddenly be more likely to need kids?
How could the culture stay the same if they needed kids?

[Anonymous No.15702707]

>>15702702
You aren't very smart and aren't worth talking to

[Anonymous No.15702708]

>>15702707
Bye.

[Anonymous No.15702727]

Artificial wombs and genetically engineered food production by 2040 minimum. Get to it, /sci/ you got this.

[Anonymous No.15702735]

>>15696963

In 1900 about 1 in 20 humans was African.
in 2100 about 1 in 4 humans will be African.

[Anonymous No.15702737]

>>15702735
evolution at work

[Anonymous No.15702738]

>>15702735
Does this mean I should buy or sell slaves?

[Anonymous No.15702752]

>>15697253
>he voted
lol. lmao

[Anonymous No.15702757]

>>15702735

Of the world's 500 largest companies NONE are based in Africa.

[Anonymous No.15702759]

>>15700489
Faggot

[Anonymous No.15702762]

>>15702757
africa cannot even export grain, and cannot even process the cocoa that it exports

they cannot farm because their neighbors will steal the grain before it is ripe to eat it. they are net grain importers. they have very little to sell, so they don't eat much.

think about that for a second. they cannot even fucking SKIN BEANS

the bantu are an infection

[Anonymous No.15702822]

>>15702757
One race, the human race.

[Anonymous No.15702833]

>>15696963
Yes and no. It depends on the demographics. Obviously if 90 percent of the population is third worlders we are doomed. We still need people smart enough to fix things.

[Anonymous No.15702837]

>>15702833
look at the map again. its not an IF

[Anonymous No.15702839]

>>15702822

Dogs and wolves are one species: canis lupus.

HUGE difference between the size, intelligence, and behavior between a wolf and a dog.

[Anonymous No.15702841]

>>15702837
How is (now = later) not an if

[Anonymous No.15702847]

>>15702839
One fits in a purse, the other fits in a golf bag.

[Anonymous No.15702848]

>>15702833
>We still need people smart enough to fix things.

Not a problem when those humans living off Earth are almost all Whites and Asians.

[Anonymous No.15702851]

>>15702847
>the other fits in a golf bag.

REALLY??!

[Anonymous No.15702860]

>>15702851
Lol wtf !!! That aint a natural wolves

[Anonymous No.15702869]

>>15702860

The BIG bad wolf

[Anonymous No.15702871]

>>15702869
how is my dude not getting hella chewed on?

[Anonymous No.15702877]

>>15702869
Where the hell you live cuz? Can't imagine wolf like that lol. I'd prolly move

[Anonymous No.15704080]

>>15696963
I don’t understand your statement but people should drive planes and live in the ocean for free.

[Anonymous No.15704101]

>>15702871
... they're dead.

[Anonymous No.15704346]

>>15696963
it's a threat to the powerful: in case of an uprising even the best tech and surveillance won't be able to shield them from the masses

[Anonymous No.15704807]

>>15704346
Being up against 1 or 10 billions doesn't make much of a difference on that point.

[Anonymous No.15704978]

>>15696963
That's a lot of minorities.