/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15692138]

Why are there so few wildfires this year?

[Anonymous No.15692141]

[Anonymous No.15692142]

[Anonymous No.15692143]

[Anonymous No.15692182]

Seems like my assumption that all news is disinformation and the opposite of the truth is still holding up. Glad to know.

[Anonymous No.15692216]

Because of COVID bigot

[Anonymous No.15692232]

>>15692216
Covid hasn't been a problem since 2021.

[Anonymous No.15692255]

>>15692138
Because of better land management, chud.

[Anonymous No.15692287]

>>15692232
>since 2021
good goy

[Anonymous No.15692298]

>>15692138
>CO2 from wildfires
Non issue. The problem is how they’re more easily spread and how they’re affecting more people.
>right after the Hawaii fires
The fossil fuel shills are working overtime I see

[Anonymous No.15692300]

>>15692287
Covid is a set of freedom-restricting mandates imposed on the population for falsified reasons and those restrictions all permanently ended in my state in June of 2021. Therefore, covid hasn't been a problem since 2021. I shouldn't have to explain all this.

[Anonymous No.15692304]

>>15692138
Climate change.

[Anonymous No.15692307]

Greece is burning up
The smog was unreal yesterday

[Anonymous No.15692308]

Many small or few big ones. Makes no difference

[Anonymous No.15692311]

>>15692308
For anything but statistic, to be missrepresented by fags.

[Anonymous No.15692331]

>>15692138
if it helps, the news can talk about it alot so it seems like its always happening?

[Anonymous No.15692985]

>>15692331
it gives them something to talk about as a means of ignoring and distracting from whats really happening

[Anonymous No.15693221]

Now post a similar graph showing fires per acre of existing forest or something similar. There are fewer forests to have forest forest.

[Anonymous No.15693241]

>>15692138
>>15692141
>>15692142
>>15692143
You do realize that none of this is a refutation of climate change, right? It's pretty much random whether an individual year will experience wildfires, we just know that forests are receding.

[Anonymous No.15693258]

>>15693241
You do realize that none of this is a refutation of climate change, right?

[Anonymous No.15693640]

>>15693241
You don't need to refute climate change to refute climate nuts.
If you can show the effects of climate change aren't really a problem then the alarmism is defused.
The reduction in forest fires shows that the effect of climate change on forest fires is either beneficial or we are getting better at managing them faster than the increase in production rate.

[Anonymous No.15693687]

Because North America burned more in 2023 than the average over the past 10 years, and we haven't had that creepy orange smoke sky coming down into the states in a long time

[Anonymous No.15693924]

>>15693221
This
>>15693241
and this.

>>15693258
>>15693640
Cope harder, retards

[Anonymous No.15694028]

>>15693924
The climate is changing and it's not a problem.

[Anonymous No.15694121]

>>15692307

[Anonymous No.15695618]

>>15694121
Why do environmental activists love to destroy the environment? Its like those trannys who claim they want to read stories to children when really what they want to do is rape and murder the kids

[Anonymous No.15695632]

>>15692142
>And over in Africa we can see some land...not burning!

Whoever made this graphic doesn't understand the news.

[Anonymous No.15697136]

>>15692142
Why is fire suppression in Africa so terrible?

[Anonymous No.15698099]

Regardless the reduction of wildfires noted in OP, look at what the MSM is publishing

Note that they depict the fires as being started intentionally by arsonists, so at least that part of their (((journalism))) is accurate

[Anonymous No.15698228]

>>15692138
Because the establishment is currently in power

[Anonymous No.15698233]

>>15698099
For extra humor, look up how aboriginals used to hunt in Australia

There are even some species of birds that start fires

[Anonymous No.15699133]

>>15698099
They always tell you what's happening ahead of time.

[Anonymous No.15699698]

>>15698233
>look up how aboriginals used to hunt in Australia
not only in australia, the river valleys of the pacific northwest usa were kept free of trees by burning it every august before whites arrives, they did that to keep those areas open so hunting was easier. in the winter all the game animals would migrate to the lowlands surrounding the rivers when the high terrain was covered in snow

[Anonymous No.15700748]

>>15692138
Looks like wildfires are decreasing by about 20% or so per decade. How does global warming cause that?

[Anonymous No.15702110]

>>15700748
if you're looking for a genuine answer, probably an increase in atmospheric water vapor. higher likelihood of precipitation overall. drought regions are not actually normal, but the people living there kvetch about it endlessly, especially if they can't manage their water use competently (see: California)

[Anonymous No.15703147]

>>15702110
>especially if they can't manage their water use competently (see: )
California hasn't built a new reservoir since the 1950s, they don't have drought, they just foolishly allow all of their spring runoff to flow directly into the ocean instead of capturing it and making use of it.

[Anonymous No.15703187]

>>15702110
100% true and real. More CO2 is making life better and there are not enough fossil fuels to really increase it to dangerous levels.

[Anonymous No.15703219]

>>15693241
its not random, in america they stopped managing forests and we had big fires

large forest fires can be stopped at any time by managing the land properly

[Anonymous No.15704442]

>>15703219
>you can't cut down trees because muh environment
>*whole forest burns down*
nice job, science

[Anonymous No.15705455]

>>15703219
forest fires are based, forests with no open areas have no areas for grazing animals and smaller plants to grow. whenever i go out innawoods and walk across a clearcut, thats always where i see the most wildlife. wildfire suppression in some areas makes clearcuts the only open ground that gets direct sunlight

[Anonymous No.15706679]

>>15692138
Wow, thats pretty much the opposite of what the news says about wildfires

[Anonymous No.15706744]

>>15692138
CO2 makes plants more resistant to drought.

>>15693241
>forests are receding.

From human use, yes. CO2 is causing global greening.

Why are climate change shills so scientifically illiterate?

[Anonymous No.15707653]

>>15706744
>Why are climate change shills so scientifically illiterate?
Greta was never even able to graduate from high school

[Anonymous No.15707830]

>>15692138
wildfires will continue when BLACK LIVES MATTER.

[Anonymous No.15709208]

>>15705455
Clearcutting is based for this reason alone

[Anonymous No.15710339]

>>15695618
>nature isn't dying quickly enough to justify my messiah complex, better go light some more forest fires

[Anonymous No.15711725]

>>15710339
That is unironically what they're doing

[Anonymous No.15711749]

>>15692138
>twitter.com in the scizographic source

[Anonymous No.15711755]

>>15695618
textbook projection

[Anonymous No.15711813]

>>15695618
To play the devil's advocate, have they released any motives for these arsonist yet? I have heard some alternate explanations for the motives that are reasonably plausible - land developers wanting land cleared off, Bulgarians wanting to sell more wood to Greece, Turks who just don't like Greeks, and of course glowniggers (well patsies hired by the actual glowniggers) who don't actually care about the environment but have been instructed to start fires for propoganda reasons.

And of course, with 79 people arrested all of these could be true, with some crossover between them; its easy to imagine some CIA type planting some ideas in the head of some butt hurt Turk, for example.

[Anonymous No.15712172]

[Anonymous No.15712364]

>>15712172
>trees consume CO2 to grow
>how should we reduce CO2 levels?
>KILL THE TREES

[Anonymous No.15712796]

>>15712172
>>15712364
To be fair, if you intend to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, cutting down trees & burying them would do just that, assuming of course that you planted new trees right after you cut the old ones down. Trees suck up a lot of carbon when they are growing (wood is mostly carbon, after all), but do not suck up much once they have hit maturity. So you would want lots of growing trees. Properly burying them will keep their trapped carbon from being released for a long time.

Now, how cost effective this would be, or the necessity of it is a whole other debate. And then you have to consider the carbon output of any logging and digging equipment used. But it is not completely dumb.

[Anonymous No.15712809]

>>15712796
no it wouldn't, the trees would be consumed by fungus, which would release to CO2 back into the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15713121]

>>15712364

[Anonymous No.15714500]

>>15712809
This, most wood submerged in the soil doesn't last long and you're also ignoring the inevitable carbon cost of all the machinery that would be involved in the operation

[Anonymous No.15715542]

>>15714500
>and you're also ignoring the inevitable carbon cost of all the machinery that would be involved in the operation
and the carbon cost of the replacement saplings that would have to be planted, after they were sprouted and grown in CO2 enriched greenhouses and then transported to the planting site

[Anonymous No.15716427]

>>15712172
>now give said green corporation gibes
"environmentalism" in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.15717409]

how come environmentalists want there to be a lot of wildfires? wildfires release a lot of CO2 in the atmosphere, shouldn't a reduction in wildfire make environmentalists happy rather than irate?

[Anonymous No.15717415]

>>15693241
>more fires
PROOF OF CLIMATE CHANGE
>less fires
You do realize that none of this is a refutation of climate change, right?
>more hurricanes
PROOF OF CLIMATE CHANGE
>fewer hurricanes
You do realize that none of this is a refutation of climate change, right?
>more snow
PROOF OF CLIMATE CHANGE
>less snow
PROOF OF CLIMATE CHANGE

[Anonymous No.15718204]

>>15714500
>b-b-but muh jerbs!!
>we needs muh jerbs to cut down trees and bury them so we can grow more trees while the dead trees rot

[Anonymous No.15718883]

>>15712796
>>15712809
>>15714500
>>15715542
>>15718204
Biochar is an effective carbon sink that lasts for thousands of years, so this idea would work if you just turn the trees into charcoal first. From there the charcoal can be added to compost piles where it decreases the amount of methane and nitrous oxide evolving off of the pile and decreasing losses from leeching while charging the charcoal with beneficial microbes and nutrients. It can also be fed to livestock and/or used with bedding to reduce the impact of their waste by reducing the smell, absorbing ammonia and other noxious chemicals, and cutting the amount of methane released from the waste. After this initial use it can be incorporated into agricultural land where it will increase the cation exchange capacity, water infiltration, and root penetration of the soil, helps to buffer the pH, decrease the amount of leeching, increase soil aggregation and microbial activity, and darken the soil, allowing it to be worked earlier in the spring and later in the fall. Best of all this form of carbon sequestration can be practiced by anyone. Even if you don't have livestock or a compost pile you can start a container garden and incorporate biochar directly into your soil, which will impact your yields unless it's been charged with nutrients previously, or you can use it to replace gravel or sand for drainage. If you also start vermicomposting you can use the biochar the same way you would use it for a compost pile and the castings will charge the biochar for you while you enjoy free fertilizer and the knowledge that the nutrients in your waste aren't going to waste in a landfill.

[Peepeepoopoo No.15719072]

https://www.carbonbrief.org/co2-emissions-from-wildfires-have-fallen-over-past-80-years-study-finds/

Article stating reduced carbon emissions from fire due to agriculture, but the agriculture "makes up" for the lack of fire.

[Anonymous No.15719996]

>>15719072
>carbonbrief.org
>We are grateful for the support of the European Climate Foundation, which provides our funding. In the spirit of transparency, we voluntarily declare that this funding totalled £1,176,376 for the financial year of 2022.

>europeanclimate.org
>The ECF greatly appreciates the funding that supports our work and contributes to effective progress on the route toward a net-zero greenhouse gas emissions society. We are fortunate to count on the support of the following philanthropic partners.

carbonbrief.org is a political propaganda website sponsored by another larger political propaganda organization which is in turn funded by bloomberg, rockefeller, william & flora hewlett and the rest of the globohomo gang. carbonbrief.org is not a science website, its a political propaganda outlet

[Anonymous No.15720707]

>>15711725
reminds me of the way jews exaggerate the holocaust

[Anonymous No.15721304]

>>15719996
>everything I don't like is political propaganda
You are a child.

[Anonymous No.15721805]

>>15693241
Whoops! Looks like the IPCC just debunked you.

>we just know that forests are receding.
Could it be those men with chainsaws perhaps?

[Anonymous No.15722127]

>>15721805
what about all the global warm activists setting forest fires?

[Sage No.15722312]

I hate forest fires

[Anonymous No.15722967]

>>15722312
you should hate the global warming activists who are setting them, the trees themselves are innocent.

[Anonymous No.15724197]

>>15719072
>carbonbrief.org
funded by michael bloomberg

[Anonymous No.15724239]

>>15692138
Climate change
>inb4 doesn't that mean climate change is good
Forest ecosystems need wildfires to thrive. No wildfires is just as bad as too many.

[Anonymous No.15725516]

>>15724239
clearcutting is somewhat of a decent substitute for forest fires.

[Anonymous No.15726824]

>>15722967

[Anonymous No.15726967]

>>15717409
its a mystery

[Anonymous No.15726984]

>>15692138
Because antifa arsonists are finally getting arrested?

[Anonymous No.15726990]

>>15698233
Entire species of Australian megafauna were hunted to extinction by abos.
And those worthless apes want special treatment by our government.
Letting them live was one of the biggest mistakes the British ever made.

[Anonymous No.15727827]

>>15719072
>carbonbrief.org
(((bloomberg))) sponsored propagnada outllet

[Anonymous No.15727850]

>>15692143
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-wildfires#:~:text=The%20extent%20of%20area%20burned,have%20increased%20since%20the%201980s.

Why not look at more than 1 decade into the past. Very carefully chosen time window. That graph is super odd when we can literally just plot the time series.

[Anonymous No.15727854]

>>15717409
They don’t want there to be a lot. If you look at data going back more than 1 decade (instead of cherry picking a time window that is too small given the yearly variance), you’ll see slight increases in area burned since the 80s with a clear upward trend. This stuff is really not hard to find.

[Anonymous No.15727857]

>>15717415
No one ever used more fires as proof of climate change. This just shows are deluded you people are. Climate change is so well established at this point that no one would be using fires for that. We have actual temperature measurements. In any case, extent of area burned is trending upward since the 80s.

I am a PhD statistician, not a climatologist. And I have no incentive to believe or not believe in climate change. However, the misleading stats and cherry picked windows is insanely out of control with the climate deniers. The best you guys can do is zoom in on a graph and misunderstand variance and modeling.

[Anonymous No.15729488]

>>15727857
>extent of area burned is trending upward since the 80s.
no it isn't

[Anonymous No.15730360]

>>15692138
Bet "wildfires" are mostly created by humans

[Anonymous No.15730904]

>>15727850
>epa.gov
government propaganda agency, not a scientific organization.

[Anonymous No.15731028]

>>15692138
canada literally has record forest fires this year and in places that never get forest fires.

[Anonymous No.15732050]

>>15731028
not according to the data
>b-b-but it was real in my mind!

[Anonymous No.15733166]

>>15732050

[Anonymous No.15733243]

>>15732050
How about according to all the evacuations and extra smoke I'm having to breathe in you fucking troglodyte

[Anonymous No.15733253]

>>15733243
Americans lack object permanence. Anything outside their hellhole of a country is a simulation, even when NYC is drowned in orange tinted smoke.

[Anonymous No.15734810]

>>15712364

[Anonymous No.15735854]

>>15718883
You're ignoring the blatantly obvious fact tbat a large standing tree actively absorbs way, way more CO2 than its minuscule replacement would.
Cutting down trees in standing forests is an idiotic idea if you're concerned about CO2.
Its one par with intentionally starting forest fires to convince people global warming is real even though it plainly is not

[Anonymous No.15735870]

>>15727857
>No one ever used more fires as proof of climate change. This just shows are deluded you people are.
https://www.noaa.gov/noaa-wildfire/wildfire-climate-connection
Riiiiight. Whenever you point something out, "Nobody ever did that." Just like how "nobody ever predicted a coming ice age" back in the 70's. Classic pseudoscience technique.

[Anonymous No.15737275]

>>15735870

[Anonymous No.15737634]

>>15734810
What a conveniently timed discovery! I'm so glad the Church of Science has cohencidentally closed this loophole in the Doctrine of Climatology the moment everyone started pointing it out.

[Anonymous No.15738262]

>>15737634
Yep, time to kill all the plants and replace them with chinky solar panels

[Anonymous No.15739792]

>>15734810
>plants cause global warming

[Anonymous No.15739832]

>>15739792
Plants worsen global warming which kills plants which worsens global warming, too. It's all very simple. Try to keep up, mate.

[Anonymous No.15739837]

>>15692300
Did you get the vax? Did anyone that has a positive effect in your life get it? You aren't in clear waters yet retard

[Anonymous No.15739856]

>>15735870
>>15737275
>Didn't even read the page that clearly states that droughts make the wildfires burn longer and worse.
Why do deniers always blatantly lie?

[Anonymous No.15739858]

>>15739837
Unfortunately, I did to preserve my job and so did everyone else in my life. No side effects thankfully, and no boosters for anyone. My experience with getting the vaccine is what ended up pushing me over the edge into being an antivaxxer and straight up virus denier. It was the final straw for me.

[Anonymous No.15740199]

[Anonymous No.15740739]

>>15739858
>No side effects thankfully
30% of the clotshots were placebos

[Anonymous No.15740949]

Why should I believe a bunch of graphs that stemmed this conservinigger chimpout thread?

[Anonymous No.15741372]

>>15740739
It wasn't a placebo, I had severe flulike symptoms for 3 days after each shot. I simply didn't have lasting side effects, but the whole experience clued me into the fact that vaccines are the disease.

[Anonymous No.15741474]

>>15692138
western usa, which is the most at risk for fires, had recordbreaking snowfall last winter. also high amounts of rainfall in the late summer.

tl;dr because more water this year.

[Anonymous No.15742033]

>>15741474
wow, extra heavy snow and more cool rainy days during the summer
yep, thats totally global warming for sure

[Anonymous No.15743180]

>>15741372
so you did have side effects, just not permanent ones

[Anonymous No.15744558]

>>15741474
wow, extra heavy snow and more cool rainy days during the summer
yep, thats totally global warming for sure

[Anonymous No.15745550]

>>15741372
why did you go back for more shots after the first one sickened you? are you a masochist?

[Anonymous No.15745628]

>>15745550
Because I needed both shots to not get fired and at the time I still bought into the whole, "But if you got covid you'd be way more sick, getting a little sick from the vaccine is a good thing" bullshit vaccine peddlers spout.

[Anonymous No.15746855]

>>15745628
>trusting tv news
don't do that

[Anonymous No.15747791]

>>15745628
How far have you come along in your education since you realize the vax was a massive scam?
Have you figured out that the holocaust was fake yet?

[Anonymous No.15747795]

>>15747791
I'm 35 years old and haven't been in school for nearly 15 years.
I've had misgivings about the holocaust for longer than I've had them about vaccines.

[Anonymous No.15748798]

>>15741474
>more water this year.
because of global warming?

[Anonymous No.15748892]

>>15748798
Yes, and it's unironically a good thing.

[Anonymous No.15749691]

>>15739832
>string_theorist.jpg

[Anonymous No.15751127]

>>15739832
if plants cause global warming and global warming kills plants then the problem should fix itself

[Anonymous No.15752105]

>>15749691
lol

[Anonymous No.15753420]

>>15751127
CO2 is good for plants and hence for every other living creature, global warming is a false narrative, it doesn't exist anywhere outside of wikipedia and other establishment media sources.

[Anonymous No.15753583]

>>15753420
>Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.15753728]

>>15692141
>>15692138
The fires in Canada blocked out the sun on the east coast. Your Jewish tricks won't work.

[Anonymous No.15754684]

>>15753728
>muh anecdotal evidence
not meaningful

[Anonymous No.15756233]

>>15754684
global warming shills always making up stupid stories

[Anonymous No.15756839]

>>15753728

[Anonymous No.15756853]

>>15692138
Better initial response here in California. Dixie and Caldor fires had a really botched initial response. Caldor started on a Saturday and we watched the FIRST air tanker fly over on the following Tuesday. Forest Service almost burned down Markleeville after sitting around with their thumb up their butt for a week or two watching the Tamarak fire grow.

[Anonymous No.15758381]

>>15756853
any out of control wildfires in cali in the current year are just ridiculous, the state has the population, infrastructure and water to be putting out anything within hours of it being spotted

[Anonymous No.15759298]

>>15758381
All of Cali's resources are devoted to caring for illegal immigrants, pedophile homosexuals and drug addicted mendicants. They don't have any excess to be spend on useful or meaningful efforts, if they had excess resources then they'd just devote those resources supporting more degenerate perverts and foreigners.

[Anonymous No.15759405]

>>15758381
CalFire does a pretty good job, a lot of the ones that blew up and got out of control the first responder was USFS.

[Anonymous No.15759434]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-change-hasnt-set-the-world-on-fire-global-warming-burn-record-low-713ad3a6

[Anonymous No.15759644]

>>15692138
Record snowpack and record precipitation in wildfire prone areas the preceding winter and spring.

[Anonymous No.15761248]

>>15759405
>USFS
fedgov faggots, trannies, feminists and diversity hires can't do anything except kvetch

[Anonymous No.15761312]

>>15692138
we're in 2023 schizo

[Anonymous No.15762114]

>>15761312
same pattern holds true this year, the western usa wildfire season has been nothing this year, its usually fairly significant. and the whole region is about to get a bunch of rain so there won't be any late season fires.

[Anonymous No.15763711]

>>15759644
I thought global warming causes drought and fire

[Anonymous No.15763765]

>>15763711
Global warming changes weather patterns which cause all kinds of conditions.

[Anonymous No.15764666]

>>15763765
Global warming is completely fake, there are not weather patterns that are changing

[Anonymous No.15765269]

>>15764666
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15765273]

>>15693687
This. Im a boomer and Ive never seen smoke like this summer. The media is America centric

[Anonymous No.15766204]

>>15693687
American here, where I am there were virtually no smokey days this year, there were a few were the sky was blue and sun was a little bit more orange and that was as bad as it got. 3 years ago we had 2 weeks at the start of September where the smoke was so thick that the sun wasn't warming things up during the day. The American media is located in jew york and washington dc and they act like nothing outside those two jewish owned regions exist.

[Anonymous No.15766402]

>>15692300
Covid was literally implemented for electoral control. That is all. Both parties involved (CCP and DNC) had interests in removing Trump. Just ask why democrats had begun filing over 100 emergency mail in ballot lawsuits starting in in the early fall of 2019. Also the research the came out recently shows that there were no increases in all cause deaths until the vaxx release. Proves that the covid death count was just creative accounting of normal deaths. The normal flu and pneumonia deaths which vanished are basically a one to one offset of the covid death count.

[Anonymous No.15767052]

>>15759644
Is that because of global warming too?