Surburbia Vs. Smart growth

[Anonymous No.1568548]

What does /sci/ think of suburbia and suburban culture in general. What effect do you think it has on american culture as a whole.
las but not least what are you opinions on Smart Growth.

[Anonymous No.1568554]

4chan is not the place for serious discussion.

[Anonymous No.1568563]

>>1568554
but i thought /sci/ was generally a tad bit smarter than the rest of 4chan. =/
Fuck these super long capatchas

[Telescope !!WirhlGuJPtA No.1568566]

>>1568563
>/sci/
>smart
wat

[Anonymous No.1568567]

>>1568563
nope, /sci/ is like a clever /b/

[Anonymous No.1568578]

Fuck suburbia and their stupid SUVs. God damn I hate those people. They are the loneliest most stressed out biggoted fat ass tubs of lard i have ever come across.

[Anonymous No.1568584]

less awesome than living in a city but infinitely more awesome than living in a rural area.

[Anonymous No.1568594]

>>1568563

>/sci/
>Smart

They just come here after class to make themselves feel better.

Also, the atheism vs. religion threads, those are a big draw.

>>1568578

You so mad.

[Anonymous No.1568596]

well the suburbs are part of a complicated system that's sole pupose is to make humans feel trapped in society and to suppress any revolts or revolutions from spawing in our minds. the same goes for the news on tv-"when they own the news they can say whatever they want".

[Anonymous No.1568602]

>>1568584
You never lived in a large city in your life. Lets not pretend you know anything about cities. How is living in your mom's suburban house working out for ya?

Newyork fag here. Feels good man

[Anonymous No.1568607]

>>1568596
bump

[Anonymous No.1568615]

>>1568602

i grew up on long island and have lived in manhattan for the past year. i was born in woodside, queens. my mother grew up in public housing there.

but fine, go on.

[Anonymous No.1568618]

>>1568602

>Implying anyone in their right mind would want to live IN NYC

Enjoy paying 4x the cost of a house on rent for your three room apartment.

[Anonymous No.1568621]

It's a natural result of people wanting the same things. Attempting to fulfil those desires by replacing the things by other things that more or less do the same thing but with less negative results will only lessen the impact of those negative results, never removing them completely. If you want real change, you have to change the desires.

[Anonymous No.1568633]

>>1568596
Thats stupid. you should feel bad. Suburbs exist because of the image of the city as a dirty crime ridden hell created by the industrial revolution. This combined with highways and the car made them possible. Now that the cost of transport is going up they are gonna die out naturally

[Anonymous No.1568645]

Too many people are in the US to support such a commuter structure. Repeal Case-Heller, then we'll talk.

[Anonymous No.1568653]

Are you seriously implying that anything our consumerism-based society does will ever be smart?

I'll be waiting for my flying saucer technology and hovering glass domes, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1568665]

>>1568615
Enjoying your high cost of living? On don't mind me I am just enjoying having a backyard.

[Anonymous No.1568671]

Suburbs are great depending on the suburb. If it's a real neighborhood, if there are local shops and businesses. I worked in the city for 10 years, I went to college in a city. I hate the filth and stenches and absence of nature. Suburbs, you're close enough to the city to work there if you need to, but you have everything else you need nearby enough to drive.

It's less ideal than a utopian setup where everything you need is walking distance, and it's all clean, and nature everywhere, but I've never seen anything like that.

[Anonymous No.1568681]

>>1568653
Jesus fuck how is that man alive. I can garuntee you that fat ass exists in a small town. Living in a city where you have to WALK everywhere would be a death sentence for that tub of lard.

[Anonymous No.1568688]

>they don't own at least a hectare of land around their house

Seriously, why would you want to degrade human dignity by living in such close proximity to others? Fuck the city, fuck the 'burbs. Give me my ten acres and a robotic mule.

[Anonymous No.1568690]

>>1568671
>spend every day of your life mowing lawn and obssessing over grass.
>No bussiness near you except strip malls
>Neighbors are all insolated from each other and all feel crushing roreniness
>Natural

right right. Enjoy your delusion.

[Anonymous No.1568704]

>>1568688
What the fuck? How is being close to people "degrading your dignity". Move to a mansion on top of a hill if thats what you think.

[Anonymous No.1568724]

>>1568690
Huh? I think you've been watching too many hollywood movies about suburbia. There are some strip malls near me, but lots of other small business as well. No one is isolated or lonely, lol. Kids are always playing at other kids houses, swimming in their pools. Oh, right, you've never seen an actual pool. Playing baseball or soccer in the neighborhood park. Oh right, you can't go to your neighborhood park, cause that's where the local gang hangs out. You don't have to mow your own law. You hire a neighborhood kid to do it for $10.

[Anonymous No.1568736]

>>1568704
I agree with him actually. If I can ever afford it, I'll move to a house with more property. I hate fucking neighbors. It will still be suburbs though. There are many big wooded lots in the suburbs. That would be ideal for me. Currently I work at home, so I have no commute either.

[Anonymous No.1568761]

Eurofag here. I just don't understand how Americans can consider it normal to spend three hours driving on these massive highways to get to work every day. Now you're fucked in the ass because you've built a society so Dependant on oil.

[Anonymous No.1568786]

>>1568761
Amerifag here. I don't understand how Eurofriends think that every American lives in the Inland Empire or the DC Beltway.

[Anonymous No.1568792]

>>1568761
Because the car companies lobbied the fuck out of america to destroy public transport. Fuck them. they are now dying and we are are too.

I wish every city in the states had newyork style transport systems

[Anonymous No.1568803]

>>1568761
My work is only 16 miles away. Fifteen minutes of driving is not unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.1568805]

>>1568786
Amerifag here. I'm not going to lie, I had to look up what a hectare was.

Oh. 100 meters on a side. Christ, why didn't you just say, "one football field by one football field?"

[Anonymous No.1568814]

>>1568792
>newyork style transport systems

What the hell are you talking about? NJT beats the hell of of the LIRR or the Upstate coverage.

[Anonymous No.1568821]

>>1568792
By the time a city gets crowded enough to need public transport the quality of life plummets and the crime rate skyrockets.

You want to live in a nice, safe place with lots of stuff to do and friendly people? Find a city with more than 50,000 people but a population density less than five thousand per square mile.

[Anonymous No.1568836]

>>1568761
That's not a normal commute. I'd guess commutes of people living in suburbs average to 30-40 minutes one-way. Lot's of those people take commuter trains as well.

[Anonymous No.1568837]

>>1568814
>lives in new jersy.
I am so sorry. :(

[Anonymous No.1568838]

>>1568615

I live in Long Island right now. West Babylon.

Fucking hate it.

[Anonymous No.1568846]

>>1568792
I live in the philly suburbs and most suburban philly commuters take the regional rail system. I enjoyed taking the train when I used to work in the city, because I could spend the time reading. The downside is it's unionized. That means that every 2 or 3 years the entire city transportation system shuts down for a strike.

[Anonymous No.1568862]

Lived in a rural town until I was 5, moved to Chicago and have lived here ever since (only 18 now, so not really that much difference). I couldn't ever live outside of a major city.

The thing I dislike about suburbs is the lack of diversity. They're all cookie cutter copies of one another, and the people are too. It's just too subdued, too fake, and too planned.

[Anonymous No.1568871]

I recently drove from a suburban city in the south to Manhattan. Everything north of Delaware is just godawful. The air starts to smell like dirty ass in New Jersey and proceeds towards caustic in Manhattan. Nobody says hello to you on the street, though at least I saw some people giving directions to other tourists. It takes a minimum of half an hour by the fastest method (subway) to get three miles from Manhattan to Brooklyn, what would be a two minute car trip at home.

Then I was driving home through NJ and it rained. Dear sweet zombie Jesus let me never experience that smell again.

[Anonymous No.1568875]

Are New York and Chicago the only cities with elevated rail?

[Anonymous No.1568889]

>>1568875
They're everywhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_rapid_transit_systems_statistics_by_country

[Anonymous No.1568896]

>>1568862
>typical stereotypes from city-dwellers who have never seen a suburban neighborhood.

[Anonymous No.1568900]

>>1568862
Holy shit. How is life in chicago like. When I think Chicago I think "Crime".

[Anonymous No.1568907]

>>1568889

rapid transit =/= elevated rail

[Anonymous No.1568911]

>>1568875
Philly has an El. It will take you to all the shittiest places. I think Boston does. I remember they named all the cities with El's in the movie fugitive. I think there were 5 or 6.

[Anonymous No.1568915]

>>1568907
Elevated rail is just section of rapid transit built above ground. It's not special nor is it a technical challenge.

[Anonymous No.1568919]

Makes them an easy target for random strikes of terrorism.

Oh u terrorists.

[Anonymous No.1568926]

>>1568915
It just makes anywhere along the line a horrendous place in which no one with any self-respect would willingly live.

[Anonymous No.1568934]

When people think of a city, they always think of the central business district. They don't realize that when you stretch out a little farther, there is plenty of space to have a lawn, backyard, parks, etc, and you're still within city limits. Not everyone lives downtown.

[Anonymous No.1568946]

lol @ suburban idiots thinking living in cookie cutter homes surrounded by people who are exactly like you is a good thing. Enjoy your kids growing up in a bubble and not being ready for a diverse world.

Fucking cookie cutter mentlaity. I hate you all and your fat families driving around in your fucking SUVs to stuff your face at shitty strip malls. FUCK YOU.

[Anonymous No.1568954]

>>1568926
Except bums who don't mind the sound of the train in the morning.

[Anonymous No.1568958]

>>1568946
lmao @ city moron who thinks the suburbs comprise cookiecutter homes with filled with people who are all like each other. This is what the paranoia of living in high crime areas does to your outlook... it leads to laughable stereotypes. This is why cities are bad for mental health.

[Anonymous No.1568965]

>>1568958
>drives 2 hours to work through a trafic jam while I take the metro and read every morning

You mad suburbanite? Quit fucking up the environment and join us you fat fuck.

[Anonymous No.1568978]

>>1568934
The city I know is philly. The center business and museum district is one of the more tolerable. Then there's historic area, where the super-rich live, which is clean and... historic. Still no yards, but I can see some charm in living there. Lots of restaurants and culture. Everywhere else in the city is utter shit. If you get far away from downtown but still urban, you have garbage strewn places with broken down houses all crammed against each other, many of them condemned. No culture, no nothing except fast food restaurants and check cashing stores. It's godawful. That's the kind of area Temple U is in, where I attended.

[Anonymous No.1568982]

>>1568965
Heh. I took the the train to work every morning to downtown for 10 years. Took 35 minutes. Great reading break in my day. Now I work from home. No commute at all. U mad?

[Anonymous No.1568988]

>>1568965
>implying mass transit isn't an abomination
I am a MAN. I drive my own car. I do not ride a cattlecar to my own impersonal slaughterhouse every day.

[Anonymous No.1568989]

Land Value Tax > suburban sprawl

[Anonymous No.1568998]

>>1568988
>I have to drive myself to work like a nigger

[Anonymous No.1569005]

Suburbia was a terrible idea. Like, really. Let's dump energy into this stupid shit that doesn't even work ECONOMICALLY in the long-run.

[Anonymous No.1569010]

>>1568998
>I have to drive myself to work like a nigger
>implying that most niggers don't take mass transit, therefore making mass transit the method of transportation more typical of the niggeroid race

[Anonymous No.1569031]

>>1569010
>>1569010
>nigger pretending not to be a nigger

[Anonymous No.1569033]

>>1569005
This is what I don't understand. Why the bloody hell do these hell holes exist. What possible economic or environmental benifit do they offer. They cost more to maintain, supply and keep safe. Suburbia is a massive money sink.

[Anonymous No.1569032]

>>1569010
Niggers take the bus or subway. The white man takes the train.

[Anonymous No.1569038]

>>1569031
>nigger nigger my nigger nigger
>any nigger I nigger
>300kniggers starting

[Anonymous No.1569043]

>>1569032
We weren't talking about trains, we were talking about the metro. AKA nigger central.

[Anonymous No.1569049]

>>1569033

Yeah. It's basically a continuation of the great American tradition of burning money for no reason.

[Anonymous No.1569055]

>>1569010
>I spend 8%+ of my waking life working uncompensated for my employers benefit
>not a nigger

[Anonymous No.1569058]

>>1569033
They don't exist for environmental or economic reasons, idiot. They exist because people don't want to live in a concrete jungle full of slightly intelligent gorillas who rob and rape you.

[Anonymous No.1569061]

>>1569043
>from america
>thinks he is white.

/int/ would tear you apart. mudblood scum.

[Anonymous No.1569065]

>>1569033
Hell hole? It's fucking paradise. All the advantages of the city, and all the advantages of the country. It doesn't cost money, it generates money through property taxes. This is why the only functional public schools exist in suburbia.

[Anonymous No.1569064]

>>1569055
And what working would you be talking about there?
The drive to work? That's not working. And how is it to my employer's benefit? Or any different from riding a train or bus or subway?

[Anonymous No.1569068]

>>1569058
so basically its because of racism. wow. You are destroying the planet and its forests to build suburban neighborhoods because you are scared to live near anyone who is not exactly like you.

[Anonymous No.1569073]

>>1569061
I didn't imply I was white. But I'm not a nigger.

[Anonymous No.1569083]

>>1569073
come on man. lets not get into this. We are talking about urban planning not race. Go to /new/ with your small minded idiocracy. Perhaps you should move to small town in the deep south where everyone is white and related.

[Anonymous No.1569085]

>>1569068
They aren't scared needlessly. It's statistically proven that blacks commit more crime. Cities suck dick. Face it. Multiculturalism destroyed the modern city.

And it doesn't destroy the environment, you dumb fucking hippie.

[Anonymous No.1569092]

>>1569083
I don't think they like asians down there.

[Anonymous No.1569099]

>>1569085
>THEY SEE ME TROLLIN. THEY HATIN.

[Anonymous No.1569103]

>>1569083
We shouldn't be talking about urban planning. Urban areas should not exist. We should through forced sterilization and controlled eugenic breeding practices reduce the world population to 2 million and reorganize into a rural self-sufficient community model.

[Anonymous No.1569122]

>>1569068
lolwat? Cities destroy forests. Most suburbs are either built within forests, or replanted again to be functional forests within 15 years or so.

[Anonymous No.1569123]

>>1569085
It doesn't destroy the environment it destroys our oil supplies while making us even more dependent on them.

I hope that a societal collapse that makes the medieval ages look like a pleasant stroll in the park is your idea of fun, because...

[Anonymous No.1569131]

>>1569064
>engaging in activity at the behest of ones employer for the benefit of ones employer isn't work
>being free to do what you want isn't superior to being stuck in a car
>this is what americunts actuality believe

[Anonymous No.1569142]

>>1569123
>implying that the challenge of peak oil won't be met by more advanced extraction technology
Our oil supplies will hold up just fine. We can transfer to an electric car economy and run our power plants on nuke juice and coal and still have plenty of petrol left for lubrication and other uses.

The sky isn't falling, we aren't fucked, calm down.

[Anonymous No.1569150]

>>1569131
>implying I'm stuck in my car
>implying i don't enjoy driving
>implying I don't enjoy free time to listen to my music

Seriously, have you ever heard of a radio? An MP3 player?

[Anonymous No.1569154]

I live in the first suburb ever built (smack dab in the middle of a 2 million + pop. of suburbs for miles around), and if it's any sort of benchmark for the future of other suburban areas we are completely fucked. It's a drug infested shithole.

[Anonymous No.1569161]

Northern Maine rural as fuck here.
I don't understand why suburbia and city denizens seem to dislike each other so much.

YOU LIKE HIGH TAXES?
COME ON UP!
YOU LIKE WORKING FROM HOME?
COME ON UP!
YOU LIKE HEARING WOLVES HOWL AT NIGHT?
COME ON UP!
YOU LIKE GETTING RAPED BY BIGFOOT?
COME ON UP!
YOU LIKE PAYING OFF ALL YOUR BILLS AND LOANS AND THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF JUST SO YOUR STUPID ASS GOVERNOR CAN SUDDENLY DICTATE YOUR AREA A "POTENTIAL HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA" AND ALL THE SUDDEN ALL THESE STUPID ASS DICKHEADS DECIDE TO BUILD HOUSE PLANS CLEAR THE LAND OF TREES AND BUY UP ALL THE LOTS WHEN ALL THE SUDDEN THE ECONOMY BURSTS AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH NOTHING BUT CLEARED LAND AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS?

COME ON UP!

[Anonymous No.1569189]

>>1569161
Southern Maine (Bath, city of iron dicks) here. How do you like having your railroad shut down?

[Anonymous No.1569207]

>>1569189
Didn't live anywhere close to one.
Like I said, rural as FUCK.

I do enjoy all the nice roads that are being built off my taxes. Because I totally cared about roads.
God damn it.

[Anonymous No.1569211]

>>1569161
>>1569207

Mad as fuck.

[Anonymous No.1569215]

Living in the middle of mother-fucking Jewtown suburbia here in Jacksonville....Niggers are everywhere too.

[Anonymous No.1569239]

>>1569123
lol... meanwhile all the niggers in the city (and admit it, if you live in the city, you're a nigger) commute in diesel sucking buses, and the suburbanites who commute to the city take the electric train.

[Anonymous No.1569253]

>>1569239
Now you're just making shit up.

[Anonymous No.1569258]

>>1569253
>the truth
>making shit up
THIS IS WHAT URBANITES ACTUALLY BELIEVE