/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15674238]

People got all excited about LK99 but ignore the real and practical breakthrough in energy storage.

The Fraunhofer Society in Dresden, Germany developed a paste that has a higher energy density than gasoline and is ten times more efficient than lithium-ion batteries.

It's cheap and easy to produce and doesn't rely on rare earths.

It would make gas stations obsolete and solve the climate related issues everyone is crying about.

And that's why you won't hear about it.

[Anonymous No.15674239]

[Anonymous No.15674245]

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102013211106A1/en

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102014211422A1/en

[Anonymous No.15674256]

I'll believe it when i see it

[Anonymous No.15674270]

pdfs

https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/White_paper_POWERPASTE_final.pdf

https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/h2/powerpaste_for_aviation_energy_supplies_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf

[Anonymous No.15674297]

hydrogen leaks out of basically anything. the amount of extra engineering needed just so they can minimize leaks has extra costs.
also don't forget that "they" want you off electric cars. they are too efficient and delivery to stations is insanely cheap compared to trucks hauling shit all across the country. you motherfuckers are buying yourselves solar panels and soon you won't even buy station energy, you're getting your fucking own. that doesn't work you see? that fucks up the game that's set up for you. it doesn't work like that, you don't get to solve and energy issue.
musk really jumped the gun with electric vehicles, and they've been trying like crazy to shill hydrogen. have you seen all hollywood celebrities in all hydrogen car ads? you know why? hydrogen needs infrastructure, safety measures, special gear, truckers industry, there's a bunch of money to be made. you and your silly panels. they REALLY want you off the panels, at least for your cars. you need hydrogen in your life.
ah yes, you also can't park your car in confined spaces, it may blow up from hydrogen accumulations in time.
you will pay for the smegma fuel, no more free rides with your silly panels

[Anonymous No.15674301]

>>15674238
Did OP forget to read the pdf? This energy density is substantially lower than gasoline.

[Anonymous No.15674302]

>>15674297
it stores hydrogen by binding it to magnesium
Mg + H2 MgH2
there's no leakage

>>15674301
pic related

[Anonymous No.15674314]

>>15674302
>Mg + H2 MgH2
Mg + H2 -> MgH2

[Anonymous No.15674318]

>>15674302
you'd still have it trapped on the ducts. unless you build some cleaning system that moves whatever gas is in the whole setup back in smegma form.
sounds nice, I find it interesting, don't get me wrong. as long as they confine that shit for remote areas application, desert hauling and such.
for cities, electricity works fine as long as we up the battery tech and charging times. some RTSC really hits the market makes things even simpler and more efficient. that's a very high target to beat with alternative tech. charge times will realistically drop to similar gas stop, or thereabouts. there's not much left to upgrade, in the grand scheme of things, when we talk efficiency + infrastructure costs. the whole hydrogen complication/delivery must cost serious money, extra. you cannot compare moving smegma across the world in containters with fucking cables. really, especially with RTSC on horizon. think about it objectively.

[Anonymous No.15674319]

>>15674314
and you release the hydrogen by adding water

[Anonymous No.15674322]

>>15674238
Magnesium hydride is an old and well explored technology, all that the authors did is add an oil to turn it into a paste

[Anonymous No.15674325]

>>15674302
The authors lowball their estimates for the efficiency of internal combustion engines

[Anonymous No.15674326]

>>15674322
correct, and that little extra is what makes it special and useful

[Anonymous No.15674334]

>>15674325
even if, it's still emission free and cheap and easy to produce and doesn't rely on fossil fuels or rare earths

[Anonymous No.15674340]

>>15674334
>cheap and easy to produce
you need to add the extra infrastructure compared to electric, in the whole equation. doesn't work like that. + the ability to collect your own energy. some trucking companies are building panel farms next to garage so they can charge their trucks. this directly ties you to their special sauce, + gear to make the thing work

[Anonymous No.15674344]

>>15674302
I think that the authors did their math wrong. At a raw energy density of 12.9 kWh/kg and an engine efficiency of 0.17, gasoline should have a total energy density of 2.2 kWh/kg not 1.5 kWh/kg

[Anonymous No.15674345]

>>15674340
you could sell the fuel at supermarkets
there's no extra infrastructure needed

[Anonymous No.15674352]

>>15674238
While the production of magnesium hydride from magnesium and hydrogen is quite simple, the production of magnesium is difficult and requires energy intensive and corrosive chemicals. The most cost effective way of producing the required hydrogen is from fossil fuels.

[Anonymous No.15674361]

>>15674238
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/ALDRICH/683043

[Anonymous No.15674362]

>>15674345
>there's no extra infrastructure needed
delivery. humans producing carbon by enabling the whole thing. you need to really justify getting everyone on smegma energy. it will be more expensive, you realize that don't you? with rtsc implemented in the whole charging network what are the losses between energy source and wheels of vehicle? how can you make something cheaper than this, naturally cheaper not artificially, for a while or shit like that. how is it cheaper overall and less carbon produced by switching to smegma?
who do you think people who'll sell you this are? the ones that are selling you gas now. lol. they are not going out without a fight.

[Anonymous No.15674372]

>>15674238
Which scale of energy storage is this being proposed for? Personal devices? Vehicles? Cities?

[Anonymous No.15674375]

>>15674372
anything from a range of 100W to 10kW

[Anonymous No.15674384]

>>15674238
I would imagine that the complexity of the generator here could be greatly simplified if somebody could find a way to run the hydride directly through the fuel cell instead of using the water reactor as an in-between step.

[Anonymous No.15674389]

>>15674384
what's simpler than adding tap water to a paste to release the hydrogen?

[Anonymous No.15674393]

>>15674345
so are you sure there isn't a quick way to make it release the energy FAST? I don't know, like dumping a bottle of orange juice in a smegma canister. think it's a good idea to have that energy density next to kids in supermakets?
with batteries it kinda hard to weaponize the car's battery for something shitty. it's bolted on and shit, hard to get it. but what if this smegma can be made quickly dump it's energy? somehow?
>>15674389
charging a battery in 10 minutes with electricity.
again, it's not only about the paste, it's about all the extra shit that's added on top, as costs.
how much does it finally cost for 100 miles? factor in EVERYTHING

[Anonymous No.15674405]

you will buy the stuff and you will be happy

[Anonymous No.15674415]

>>15674238
>using water as fuel
i was going to make a thread asking about this kind of technology yesterday, so it's interesting to see this. is it actually a working product already that does what it claims?

[Anonymous No.15674426]

>>15674415
it's a working product and they have a factory to produce it

[Anonymous No.15674441]

>>15674239
imagine being such a midwit that a hydrogen storage device excites you this much. Hydrogen comes from fossil fuels or electrolysis and electrolysis is highly inefficient. So you would have to waste a ton of renewable energy to produce and store hydrogen using this method. This solves exactly zero of society's problems.

[Anonymous No.15674447]

>it(at 50% efficiency)is better than gasoline(at 17% efficiency)
I warned you about the fine print bro.

[Anonymous No.15674448]

>>15674238
>more CO2 fraud
*yawn*

[Anonymous No.15674449]

Gasoline has other properties that make it preferably to hydrogen mayonnaise, such as being able to pump it like a normal fluid and not being fucking Pyrophoric. Liberating the chemical energy upon exposure to water seems like it could be convenient in terms of engine design, but then you remember that water exists fucking everywhere and not just in your engine.

[Anonymous No.15674452]

>>15674441
>This solves exactly zero of society's problems.
well not exactly, doesn't solve big petrol problems. do you expect them to be like "ah shit, I guess gas in canceled, let's go home boys" in 2035 or smth? they will try to play middleman with a product they'll artificially make you need.
you can't compete with cables. but tech is interesting and will have applications in various regions. deserts, jungles, remote areas, sure.

[Anonymous No.15674453]

>>15674441
electrolysis is one of the easiest ways of generating hydrogen and anyone could do it efficiently using renewable energies

[Anonymous No.15674461]

>>15674448
this would kill their C02 narrative

[Anonymous No.15674468]

>>15674453
>efficiently
you really need to make a fucking serious case for that. you take electrical energy, use it to break water, capture hydrogen, move it to some location, mix in paste, pump into vehicle, transfer to wheels.
how in your mind do you ever DREAM of efficiency being anywhere near full electric from powerplant to wheels? what the fuck bro you made me switch into fighting position on keyboard

[Anonymous No.15674477]

>>15674468
factories can produce sufficient amounts of hydrogen where the paste is made, using solar and wind energy

[Anonymous No.15674482]

>>15674477
>using solar and wind energy
how the fuck do you still not get it? bros explain to him

[Anonymous No.15674494]

>>15674477
What they can't produce is sufficient quantities of magnesium.

[Anonymous No.15674501]

>>15674477
why not like keep the solar energies in the cables, and just use cables to like charge your car. why put something in the middle, less efficient, more expensive, artificially?

[Anonymous No.15674504]

>>15674477
So is shipping a ton of this stuff on trucks more energy or cost efficient than high voltage transmission lines?

[Anonymous No.15674505]

>>15674494
it's the 4th most common element on earth

[Anonymous No.15674508]

>>15674501
it's 10 times more efficient and lithium ion batteries and doesn't explode under your ass

[Anonymous No.15674521]

>>15674508
>and
then

[Anonymous No.15674522]

>>15674508
>it's 10 times more efficient
bruh lay off the retard juice. you are making an ass of yourself. you seem to not understand basic physics
it's not technically possible for it to be more efficient, what don't you understand? at most you can compare the density per weight and volume with what we have now, which is pretty old already and new better batteries are on the horizon, safe ones. fast charging ones.
this is a fucking scam

[Anonymous No.15674526]

>>15674521
>then
than
time for a nap

[Anonymous No.15674535]

looks tasty

[Anonymous No.15674541]

>>15674505
Sure but you're still going to have to truck it in

[Anonymous No.15674542]

also how do you compare electric motor control for safety and selfdriving stuff with the hydrogen tech? how does control of all wheels compare between the two?
I can't believe this is even considered lol, like for regular cars.

[Anonymous No.15674547]

>>15674508
>Magnesium hydride doesn't explode

[Anonymous No.15674611]

>>15674238
What are the end products when you burn it? Does it release CO2? Other pollutants?

[Anonymous No.15674617]

>>15674611
>burn it
hydrogen with oxygen? water.

[Anonymous No.15674656]

>>15674617
Wait so it's literally just a hydrogen paste? Doesn't have any other ingredients that react with the oxygen?

[Anonymous No.15674662]

>>15674656
the paste is not what you burn. the paste extracts hydrogen from water which is what you burn

[Anonymous No.15674669]

>>15674662
Ok, but at some point hydrogen gets trapped "in" the paste, right? How do you separate it from the paste so that only the hydrogen burns, but not the paste itself?

[Anonymous No.15674689]

>>15674542
Hydrogen will be used in fuel cells to supply electricity. It will still be an electric motor. They're not combusting hydrogen with pistons and shit.

[Anonymous No.15674703]

>>15674669
The rest of the paste turns into magnesium hydroxide, and you pump the H2 into your fuel cell. But you still gotta dump the Mg(OH)2 somewhere or recycle it.

[Anonymous No.15674705]

>>15674468
>>15674441
you have no idea whatsoever about how this stuff is made or what its source materials are so shut your mouth why don't you
>durr it chemically offgas hydrogen therefore it must be hydrogen gas mixed in to a paste
lolwut

[Anonymous No.15674706]

>>15674238
Big money has been trying to kill Toyota's R&D into hydrogen fuel cell cars for 10 years. It'll be really interesting to see if they start implementing this paste.

[Anonymous No.15674745]

>>15674415
I was also researching about water fuel and ways to split water without seed electricity earlier today. I ended up finding this. Turns outs binding aluminum with a cathode element and then simply ball milling into a fine powder gets you a super powder that instantly turns the water in any liquid into hydrogen + oxygen, without the toxic fumes that comes with electrolysis. Even works at room temp and lower temps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_based_nanogalvanic_alloys

>ARL researchers also discovered that the hydrogen generation rate increases by almost two-fold when the aluminum based nanogalvanic alloy powder comes in contact with urine, when compared with pure water.
Any off-grid hick or soldier behind enemy lines could use a gram of this stuff to instantly get a liter of hydrogen fuel by mixing it into his piss.

[Anonymous No.15674754]

>>15674745
what's the catch?

[Anonymous No.15674768]

>>15674705
Clearly you don't either. Could you, in your enlightenment, let us know what the production process is for magnesium hydride?

[Anonymous No.15674772]

>>15674754
No idea but I'm sure there is one considering that the US Army developed this and made it go public. I don't know how much energy it takes to bind aluminum to another metal. So it could be that. I already know the creation of pure aluminum requires lots of energy but we have so much recyclable aluminum out there that needs repurposing so it's a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.15674787]

>>15674754
The catch is that nobody uses hydrogen power because hydrogen likes to spontaneously combust

[Anonymous No.15674810]

>>15674238
>>15674297
>>15674302
>>15674441
This is meant to be used with recent advancements in direct solar to hydrogen generation, essentially solar panels which aren't photovoltaics, but directly split water with sunlight. Fossil fuel and other green energy sources wont ultimately be what's intended to generate the H for this stuff.

[Anonymous No.15674813]

>>15674754
The problem with it isn't using aluminum to generate the hydrogen, but converting the aluminum hydroxide back into elemental aluminum. That's the crucial step which basically made this a non starter.

[Anonymous No.15674817]

>>15674787
>because hydrogen likes to spontaneously combust
like gas?

[Anonymous No.15674820]

>>15674813
>converting the aluminum hydroxide back into elemental aluminum
So basically it won't ever be used on an industrial scale because it bricks valuable aluminum back into being useless earth? That doesn't sound so bad. Hydrogen power was never meant to be for the masses. The alloy still seems super useful as an emergency resource.

[Anonymous No.15674824]

>>15674787
Of course there are problems with hydrogen as a fuel source, there is no silver bullet when we're talking about something like this. Hydrogen has just made it because it's well understood and researched, along with being atomically simple.

[Anonymous No.15674832]

>>15674820
Yeah, basically. The final product is Aluminum Oxide which has to be put back in a blast furnace before you can make it again, which then in the case of these galvanic cells the Aluminum has to be milled again. If you're looking for something single use maybe this might work in a few hydrogen cars or something, but the infrastructure for this might make it too expensive.

[Anonymous No.15674854]

>>15674824
>hindenburg
>>>/his/15479831

[Anonymous No.15674872]

>>15674832
Minor nickpick
>aluminum oxide in blast furnance
You can't reduce that in blast furnance because the oxide is way too stable to carbon monoxide, you need Hall–Heroult cells that lets carbon take the oxygen given electricity and heat which is bog standard alumina smelter.

[Anonymous No.15674902]

>>15674872
I don't know anything about metallurgy

[Anonymous No.15674904]

>>15674447
Why is hydrogen losing its energy density advantage here? First time I've seen this and all I see is their shilling and advertising. Hydrogen should be starting at 3x the energy density of diesel, what are they doing that tanks hydrogen's energy density so much.

[Anonymous No.15674917]

>>15674447
>>15674904
I thought the entire point of developing this paste was to increase the energy density of the stuff? The paste brings its efficiency up to 50% which is better than gasoline.

[Anonymous No.15674918]

>>15674904
It's a gas. Can't be liquefied at room temperature so you can't store very much.

[Anonymous No.15675070]

>>15674918
>Can't be liquefied at room temperature
why not?
is water not good enough?

[Anonymous No.15675929]

>>15674238
So build me a car that runs on powerpaste and show me that it is economical for me to purchase.

Also climate change faggots need to stop. Hating carbon for no reason is even more stupid than RoHS that banned all lead in all products.

[Anonymous No.15675958]

>>15674689
you can't seriously imply cutting a cable and adding the whole hydrogen bit so in the end you get again electricity, is more efficient than the initial cable was. you have to be a stupid fish to believe that it makes sense
>>15674705
where do you get the hydrogen jackass? tell us, where the fuck do you get? do you make a portal to the fucking sun and get and endless supply of hydrogen?
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT THINKING?????
>gee the tech seems nice, hollywood is talking about, there might be something this anon doesn't understand, can't be such a blatant ripoff like anon implies
IT FUCKING IS A BLATANT RIPOFF YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!

[Anonymous No.15676158]

>>15675929
There’s already cars running on liquid hydrogen and the paste packs at least the same amount at ambient pressure..
But you won’t see a car running on paste because it would show that gas stations are no longer necessary

[Anonymous No.15676176]

>>15676158
>But you won’t see a car running on paste
because it would be less efficient and more expensive.
what the fuck is wrong with you? why won't you address the elephant in the room. it's more expensive and less to maybe seriously less efficient. there's no psysical way to get it to even the same efficiency, without and endless supply of free hydrogen.
think for fucks sake, think! this is the same solar freaking roadways all over again, and the exact same idiots glorifying it are popping here with "yes this is good".

[Anonymous No.15676193]

>>15676158
I just want to understand the actual numbers on energy density and efficiency. That fine print 50% - 17% is real sus

[Anonymous No.15676207]

>>15676176
It wouldn’t be less efficient or expensive. Extracting mineral oil and refining it into gasoline is much more complicated than binding hydrogen to magnesium. It takes one step to do that and another to make it into a paste

[Anonymous No.15676209]

>>15676207
*or more expensive

[Anonymous No.15676221]

>>15676207
bro compared to electrical cars which run on solar panel farms in many places.
stop creating condusion on the subject. it is not scientifically possible, what don't you understand? you come here with woo-woo bullshit, make insidious comparisons to gas engines instead of making comparisons to electrical vehicles. you make up shit, deflect shit, say stupid shit, it's like you are specifically avoiding addressing the problems.
doesn't matter if it's more efficient than a diesel engine. you need to explain how is it more efficient than electrical current through cables right to the motion of the wheels.
reality and the laws of the universe do not fucking allow this fucking paste to be more efficient in application than electricity (which would be used to get hydrogen if you don't suck it from the fucking Sun) to directly power the fucking electrical car via fucking cables. address this shit, stop fucking around
it is both less efficient and obligatory more expensive, at the same fucking time, because of the physics of our universe and the environment around us.

[Anonymous No.15676226]

>>15676221
can you put "Stupid" in the namefield so it's easy to filter you?

[Anonymous No.15676230]

>>15676226
that is not an argument. you cannot invent hydrogen. you need to produce it from what? water most likely via electrolysis.
whatever energy source you imagine can get the hydrogen for you, from any fucking process you can imagine, can be directly used to power the wheels of the electric car, with obligatory higher efficiency overall than using the paste.
there is no way out of this you moron. you cannot add a lossless process (or higher than 100% efficiency) in the middle of the electrical cable, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.15676242]

>>15676230
you're stupid. I'm not making an argument. This isn't a call for a debate. that would imply I have an agenda to push something, I don't, unlike you. I'm interested in details about this hydrogen paste. You've shown yourself too stupid for details. I'd just like to ignore you. please let me filter you with the name "Stupid"

[Anonymous No.15676248]

>>15676242
well if you were intellectually honest you would have said "yeah bro it's clearly not as efficient. I'm interested in details about it tho".

[Anonymous No.15676257]

energy independence from hauling shit around at your will is not something that is desired. whenever you need to be controlled they turn off the pumps. they cannot turn off your solar panels. this is about control of what plebs are able to do without approval and control. it's similar to the same issue with guns in your country. ideally they'd take them, which would massively limit what plebs are able to do.
you are not allowed to fix shit which controls you kek.

[Anonymous No.15676323]

>>15676193
I’m not sure either but 10l of gasoline weighs about 10kg and 10kg of paste contains about 1kg of pure hydrogen

[Anonymous No.15676347]

>>15676323
Well that's the death of the idea right there then.
Hydrogen would be approximately 3x the energy per weight but the paste makes it less then 1/3rd the energy per weight compared to gasoline.
So they had to fudge the efficiency numbers just to bring the hydrogen paste back up to gasoline. Literally 3:1.

[Anonymous No.15676747]

>>15676221
electric vehicles run on batteries which store energy
you can also store energy in form of hydrogen
the paste is 10 times more efficient than lithium ion batteries and is cheaper to produce

[Anonymous No.15676821]

So what happens to the 9kg of Mg after the 1kg of hydrogen has gased of?

[Anonymous No.15677020]

>>15676821

[Anonymous No.15677289]

>>15676821
its magnesium hydroxide and should be sent back to the recycling centre

[Anonymous No.15677401]

>>15676747
electrical vehicles run on electrical energy stored in their batteries. those batteries allow for a certain range, which already matches gas cars, on certain cars. this is not an issue as it was in the beginning.
also you are completely discarding the new battery tech we have developing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXRyWQgOY4&t=275s
this is just an example from 4 years ago already.
cars don't run on batteries, batteries are like the fuel tank, not fuel itself. this electrical fuel tank is getting larger and larger and faster to fill. with electricity, there's no energy TYPE conversion, it's electricity all the way through.

[Anonymous No.15677420]

>>15677289
batteries recycle after few years, not one fucking use.
so there is waste product which needs to be safely discarded.

[Anonymous No.15677717]

>>15677401
batteries are gay and shitty and you're more a shill for EVs than the hydrogen paste guys are shilling their new tech

[Anonymous No.15677733]

>>15677717
so I am a shill because I am right? really?
I said I find the tech interesting and I agreed it can be useful for remote areas.
you should have an argument, any scientist would "shill" electric because it's the superior tech.
go back to /pol/ if you wish to argue that way. or make a fucking argument.
if electric is the superior solution I can't be a fucking shill moron. you shill something which wouldn't be desired if people understood all details about it, so you do some shady PR for it, omitting/fucking with numbers. that's shilling.

[Anonymous No.15677738]

>>15674541
Hahaha, it amazes me that humanity got to this stage of development with these types of faggots heckling from the sidelines every time you try to do something meaningful

[Anonymous No.15677761]

>>15677717
>>15677738
let me guess, you are the faggots who also fell for the solar freaking roadways right?
and not only that, you started hating anyone deboonking them. because they took a big fat dump on you silly faggoted dream.
somehow they are at fault for you getting your hopes up and having them crushed. not you because you are basically retarded fools.
you just saw >>15674302 picrel and though "oh shit, it's 10 times better than EVs damn this will save humanity". how am I the bad guy if you get duped by PR and develop retarded fantasies?

[Anonymous No.15677788]

Something else that has not been mentioned yet is that the hydrogen fuel cells you need to use this paste are not cheap. Automotive grade fuel cells require large amounts of platinum group metals, and are not cheap to make; while automakers have been unwilling to publish how much, in all likelyhood they cost more than a good sized battery pack these days.

[Anonymous No.15677790]

>>15677420
It's not discarded, retard. It's reloaded with fresh hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.15677797]

>>15677790
you need to squirt out the consoomed smegma and replace it with charged smegma.
your car has to take a literal dump each time you visit the station. that is if there's not recipients with it that you swap at station, like >>15677788
mentioned.

[Anonymous No.15677800]

>>15677733
Batteries suck and every time someone states that it gets your panties in a twist. A 1200 lb battery can't match the range of a 96 lbs of gasoline. They don't size gas tanks as large as they can go- they size them only for as much as would a full tank of gas give a comfortable range. You can jerry can up the range to absurd levels compared to EVs. It's ridiculous how much people like you want to try to dodge around that reality.

[Anonymous No.15677828]

>>15677800
batteries will only get better. if they were an issue you wouldn't see functional EVs all around you. and I literally linked a youtube demo for some safer batteries, and more resilient to damage. what gets your panties in a bunch is everytime someone mentions batteries will keep getting better.
you are a doom-porn faggoted /pol/ prepper, you can use the paste if you really want the paste. but I figured you'd be smarter not to depend on big smegma for your autonomy.
you get 400 miles out of tesla s or smth. I had similar on gas car 10 years ago. we've reached the same practical levels.

[Anonymous No.15677833]

>>15677828
1200 lb to 96 lb are not on the same levels. Not even close.

[Anonymous No.15677842]

>>15677833
>96 lb
that's burger speak for 43.5kg. don't know the gas density but 43 liters of gas doesn't get you THAT far, especially not on retarded burger tech. maybe on yurop tech. even so if you run your AC with shit traffic you can maybe squeeze 400km (250miles) out of that, depending on engine and car.

[Anonymous No.15677848]

>>15677842
It's 15 gallons and doing 28 mpg with the AC on is spot on you moron

[Anonymous No.15677857]

>>15677848
you finally understood EVs have similar range.
how exactly does the battery bother you? just having it there? how much does it cost you extra by lugging it around? did you make the math? how much is that extra weight which is perfectly accounted for in the car design and balance which results in a way lower center of gravity of the car which massively helps with stability and handling of the car. how exactly is that battery hurting you, financially speaking. what would you financially save if it would weigh 100 burger pounderinos? factor in the loss of the lower center of gravity hence worse handling, in your math.

[Anonymous No.15677861]

>>15677857
Is this a joke? I'm not even against EVs but how can you act like lugging around 1000 extra lbs isn't a downside?

[Anonymous No.15677885]

>>15677861
>isn't a downside
compared to what? from what point of view?
your answer is retarded, explain in which way. for efficiency? sure, not great. what does that mean in extra money vs 100lb electric battery in the same car? how BAD is it really? put a fucking number on it.
>but handling
really? you drive picrel piece of shit around there, are you really concerned about lugging around extra weight?

[Anonymous No.15677892]

>>15677857
EVs only barely catch the range modern vehicles settle for. You can have a 27 gallon tank, like you have on a pickup truck, and have a 700 mile range in your car if you wanted. The extra 12 gallons of fuel would weigh less than a child. It just isn't necessary so car manufacturers don't need to bother. After 180 seconds after 400 miles your vehicle has another 400 miles. Batteries are so far away from that, because they suck.

[Anonymous No.15677912]

>>15677892
you may be right tho you might be shocked to know how few of you are on this planet. as in people who NEED to have 1000km+ of range on their shitty apocalypse trucks.
I never implied the batteries are identical to gas in energy density per weight. I'm talking for practical purposes most people are ok with this range.
you can charge them at home, and have no waste products. can even have free energy if you just mostly go to work and not much else, with a few panels at home.
>Batteries are so far away from that, because they suck.
they keep getting better and better. this is like a desperate last possible argument.

[Anonymous No.15677936]

>all these stupid fucks claiming hydrogen is hard to get
There's literally a ball containing an infinite supply of hydrogen 1AU away from you. Just build a fucking tube ffs

[Anonymous No.15677947]

>>15677912
batteries have waste. it's not fun to recycle. and it has to be done every 10 years.
you aren't getting that electricity for free. the power plant isn't producing zero waste
you can't charge it at night with solar panels without ANOTHER battery
and more importantly the battery has to drive its 1200lb self around very expensively

the battery should be a non-starter on EVs. it's purely because electric motors are so good that they even pass at all. It's never going to close that gap of 1100 lb. If all we had were EVs and this POWERPASTE (TM) silliness was created, it would immediately take over the market. Instead, gas wins.

[Anonymous No.15677996]

>>15677947
>every 10 years
as opposed to every few hours for hydrogen paste.
>it's not fun to recycle
dunno, seems you have the process figured out
https://youtu.be/s2xrarUWVRQ
looks pretty clear cut.
>you aren't getting that electricity for free.
yes you really can get it for the cost of the panels, you don't need a battery, you only use the panel whenever you can. rest you use the mains. isn't that expensive.
>the power plant isn't producing zero waste
that is not to be read as "the power plant will never become cleaner to maybe extremely clean, in the future". that needs factored in.
>has to drive its 1200lb self around very expensively
yeah that's bullshit buddy, you need to provide some figures for that statement.
>It's never going to close that gap of 1100 lb.
this is not honest arguing dude.
> If all we had were EVs and this POWERPASTE (TM) silliness was created, it would immediately take over the market.
if we all had EVs they'd need electrical energy, which happens to be created by the power plant. now, if we say run wires between the two, the energies can flow in the car battery, and then to electrical motors.
how exactly does it make sense to use the same current from the powerplant, and instead of juicing up the batteries, you break down water to get hydrogen, you assemble the paste, you put the paste in the car, then paste makes electricity which powers the wheels.
how exactly is this going to work without costing you more in the end, using the paste? this is the bit nobody seems to address, somehow.
I mean, dude, do you realize that what you are saying is that it's worth paying more for the paste so you don't have the battery which is heavy and costs extra energy to be carried around, so paying even more for paste makes sense because now you don't pay less for carrying the car battery.
your brains is mush dude

[Anonymous No.15678001]

>>15677996
>how exactly does it make sense to use the same current from the powerplant, and instead of juicing up the batteries, you break down water to get hydrogen, you assemble the paste, you put the paste in the car, then paste makes electricity which powers the wheels.
the paste wouldn't be used to make electricity, the paste would be used to drive a motor and make car go. and it would be done because the entire thing would weigh a quarter of the batteries weight and you could "recharge" your fuel in moments instead of hours.

[Anonymous No.15678018]

>>15678001
weak little bitch, can't even argue in a honest manner. if you are implying you burn the hydrogen then do share some efficiency figures for that lol. what a fucking idiot
>hours
there's fast charging you faggot. maybe compare to station gear not home gear, you get your shit gas or paste from a fucking station anyway.
picrel is current tech, that will only get better in the future.

[Anonymous No.15678024]

>>15678018
and that's for your teslas. there's some EVs that will get 80% charge in 15 minutes or something, like next gen.

[Anonymous No.15678031]

>>15678018
you're really upset over how much your stupid batteries suck lmao

[Anonymous No.15678077]

>>15674297
>hydrogen leaks out of basically anything
>ah yes, you also can't park your car in confined spaces, it may blow up
Which one is it
Is it leaky or will it build up in confined spaces

[Anonymous No.15678112]

>>15674238
Buy my patented power paste goyim noo you can't make your own power you must buy my paste that only I am allowed to make and sell the world will run on power pasteTM what a beautiful green future.
>>15674703
>But you still gotta dump the Mg(OH)2 somewhere or recycle it.
Don't mind the infrastructure and the extra hidden costs, pure direct electricity easily transported in wires was yesterday goys, just look at the pasteTM energy density and the beautiful extra steps! see you will simply buy my pasteTM held in my special patented paste-cartridgeTM held in my special patented paste tankTM and (in)efficiently convert it into electricity with my large special patented paste compatible fuel cellTM and then store the electricity in my special patented batteryTM compatible with the fuel cellTM naturally, high tech green technology has its price.

[Anonymous No.15678144]

I am pretty sure the price of this paste alone would be a giant negative; regular hydrogen fuel cell vehicles using compressed H2 end up being much more expensive to run per mile than gasoline cars, much less battery electrics. Existing H2 stations in CA are wanting $25+ per kg right now, for regular compressed gas h2. Add in the cost of processing this into the paste, and dealing with recycling the old paste, and it would get even more expensive. For example, a Toyota Mirai with its 5.6 kg h2 tank has a range of 402 miles; at $25 per kg that works out to 35 cents per mile. A gas car that get 30 mpg using Californian gas ($5.13 per gallon right now) is literally half that, at 17.1 cents per mile. A base Tesla Model 3 is EPA rated at 25 kw-hr per 100 miles, or .25 kw-hr per mile; at Californian electric prices of 30 cents per kw-hr that works out to 7.5 cents per mile.

Here is the source for the H2 prices in California.
https://h2-ca.com/

[Anonymous No.15678162]

>>15678077
brother are you retarded?
>Is it leaky or will it build up in confined spaces
the fact that it leaks is what makes it build up in confined spaces. like your garage ceiling.
out of anything which has fittings and shit like that. it's not a supercritical fluid to leak through the material structure for fucks sake. but it IS the smallest atom in the universe. pretty hard to have no leaks. the engineering for that is expensive. plus your regular hydrogen tank empties itself in time. because it leaks out. literally. as soon as you put it in it starts leaking and you're loosing the whole tank in few weeks or smth, not many. it's so retarded for your average driver that it can only be considered a fucking shill from big gas, they need something to sell you.

[Anonymous No.15678167]

>>15678162 me
>supercritical
I meant superfluid

[Anonymous No.15678177]

also how would you modulate output power? what if you really floor the bitch for 10 minutes, max power, then you suddenly stop and leave the car. what happens? is the chemical process still going on? does it have inertia? for how long? what happens with the hydrogen that is released but not used? is it vented?
cold start, pedal to the floor, does it offer instant full power? or do you have to wait for the reaction to start producing gas? how does this factor into efficiency/losses/convenience?

[Anonymous No.15678397]

Alright what if we take a totally different approach to storing hydrogen. Maybe bonding it with some suitable element? Like what about Carbon? Maybe it would even be liquid at room temperature.

[Anonymous No.15678400]

>>15678397
don't do this this makes gas you're going to get someone killed

[Anonymous No.15678406]

>>15674238

[Anonymous No.15678625]

>>15678177

[Anonymous No.15678752]

>>15677996
>as opposed to every few hours for hydrogen paste.
but that's wrong

[Anonymous No.15678763]

>>15677996
the paste increases the range of drones and vehicles significantly

[Anonymous No.15678764]

>>15678397
You can bind hydrogen to carbon monoxide and get methanol.
it's a very well known process, you lose some energy doing it but then you don't need 300 bar to store it like with liquid hydrogen.
There are even reversible fuel cells. they don't work great so far but the potential exists.

[Anonymous No.15678862]

>>15678625
fix'd

[Anonymous No.15678877]

>>15674238
Scam.

[Anonymous No.15678885]

>>15678877
how?

[Anonymous No.15678897]

>>15674238
>And that's why you won't hear about it.
Right. Because random plebs off the street are the best pool of potential customers for this experimental miracle energy paste, so they have to hide this from us, by failing to make a pop-soi article about it. Good thing the early 20th century oil boogeyman that conspires to hide this from us doesn't have to worry about hiding this stuff from a gazillion industry clients constantly looking for superior fuel for their specialized applications.

[Anonymous No.15678899]

>>15678885
It's another one of those technically possible but in practice uneconomical things

[Anonymous No.15678910]

>>15678899
how is it uneconomical?

[Anonymous No.15678928]

>>15678910
It has the worst of both gasoline and battery electric. Battery's dead weight (byproduct remains in the car) and gasoline's low combustion efficiency (H2 fuel cell efficiency is not that much higher than H2/gasoline combustion). Plus now you've invented a new problem which is magnesium hydroxide disposal.

[Anonymous No.15678950]

>>15678897
it's like you guys have a brain barrier that keeps your from understanding how marvelous this invention is
it stores enourmous amounts hydrogen at ambient pressure without leakage
you could power jetliners with this technology and completely eliminate contrails that form into cirrus clouds that cause the greenhouse effect
you could refuel your car while buying your groceries
the range exceeds lithium ion batteries by far and it doesn't need rare minerals to produce it

[Anonymous No.15678976]

>>15674238
Mom found the hypercum

[Anonymous No.15678980]

>>15678950
Hey, I didn't say it wasn't a marvelous invention. I'm skeptical of energy memes but I have nothing concrete against this one. I'm just telling you, brainlet, that the inner workings of this world are not contingent upon what science developments normies are made aware of. If this thing was seriously threatening anyone, you know what they'd do? They'd simply outlaw it, not try to hide it from YOU of all people.

[Anonymous No.15679012]

>>15678980
You underestimate the power of public opinion

[Anonymous No.15679016]

>>15679012
No, I don't. They would use your public opinion to get this thing banned if they thought it was a real threat. That's about as far as the power of public opinion extends on these matters, though. lol

[Anonymous No.15679056]

>>15679016
They probably will when this gets more publicity

[Barkun No.15679057]

Oh sweet, a goyslop thread

[Anonymous No.15679107]

>>15674238
ok how do I make this in my home

[Anonymous No.15679142]

>>15674535
Can we execute a man this way? Like, blow out him inside?

[Anonymous No.15679181]

>>15674239
>Hydrogen storage
DOA
>>15674297
>The oligarchs don't want you driving EVs because they're too efficient
Severe mental retardation

[Anonymous No.15679184]

>>15674239
>Oh wow interesting, how did they get a paste to work as a battery
>ITS JUST FUCKING HYDROMEME

[Anonymous No.15679185]

>>15677401
>those batteries allow for a certain range, which already matches gas cars, on certain cars.
Like what, a 1993 Ford Taurus with leaky engine seals?
My wife had a coworker that forgot to plug her car in the night before work and she had to take an uber during rush hour and got a reprimand for missing half a day. Nice range.

[Anonymous No.15679229]

>>15674239
> hydrogen
fake shit

[Anonymous No.15679241]

>>15677797
Idiot, you gas up your car, right? It would be no different than swapping out a fuel cell.

[Anonymous No.15679247]

First they ignore it
Then they ridicule it
Then they ban it

[Anonymous No.15679337]

>>15677797
>your car has to take a literal dump each time you visit the station.
Yes, it's nice that it can be easily contained and reused like that.

[Anonymous No.15679379]

>>15677861
It's a <100iq guy that bought TSLA shares after watching YouTube videos. He's parroting youtuber arguments with no understanding of them.

>>15677401
>electrical vehicles run on electrical energy stored in their batteries.
>with electricity, there's no energy TYPE conversion, it's electricity all the way through.
>>15677828
>batteries will only get better.

This is the better battery, retard. You think batteries are little bottles of electricity or something? Just fill it up with with electricity and put a cork in it? No. Batteries are filled with chemicals. Chemical reactions in the batteries facilitate the flow of electrons. You can consider the powerpaste + hydrogen fuel cell like one battery all together.

Now fuck off from here, you shouldn't be talking so much when you don't know anything. Those YouTube videos have millions of views, you don't need to be repeating them here. Maybe Tesla will pursue this and then a youtuber will make a video about it for you. Don't post about that here either.

[Anonymous No.15679454]

>>15679379
>TSLA
don't give a fuck about tesla, I'm only interested in the tech used for EVs.
>You can consider the powerpaste + hydrogen fuel cell
no moron, it's not just the powerpaste, it's all the fucking losses added together.
compared to EVs you shitpaste is bullshit, has no advantage. range is not an issue.
if you propose EVs lose their battteries and replace them with paste + cell then you are fucking braindead, it's less efficient and costs more.
what's the fucking advantage over batteries? more range? for what dipshit? for what? isn't 400-600 miles enough for you TODAY? you NEED more? for what? how many faggots like you are out there?
your paste solves nothing for most EVs, it's just a money grab from the retards who fall for you solar freaking roadways bullshit.
also you need to safely discard an industrial byproduct.

[Anonymous No.15679468]

>>15674297
As someone that leans libertarian I am conflicted due to the obvious decentralizing power of solar panels/electric vehicles and the fact that the powers that be shill them so heavily.

[Anonymous No.15679470]

>>15679241
>you gas up your car, right?
well no I don't as I don't have a gas car.
>>15679337
>reused
your paste industrial waste product needs to be fucking recycled after a few hours of driving.

[Anonymous No.15679476]

>>15679468
Renewables were always designed and conceived of as a way to improve an agrarian community. These people who want to run cities on it are mathematically illiterate; population density mandates energy density.

[Anonymous No.15679490]

>>15679476
I don't care how we power our cities, exactly. I do care if the source is clean or not.
there's trucking companies using EV trucks and they are building their own panel farms to charge their own fleet. that means they're not a client for big oil anymore, at least for fuel. if this becomes "a thing" that's not so great for big oil.

[Anonymous No.15679540]

>>15679490
You'd think that, but it just obfuscates their reliance on supermajors. That business must charge their fleet, so their solar grids will not be isolated. Which means they represent a large source of energy demand, which will get filled by the NG portfolios of supermajors. Sure, their diesel refineries take a hit, but they more than make up for it by demanding megawatts of fill and peaker plant hours. Especially if it becomes realized that "not paying big oil" is a positive-value marketing play.

[Anonymous No.15679554]

>>15674238
It's just cum isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15679559]

>>15679540
>math says we have to keep you hostage, it's good to pay us, trust us.
autonomy is important, just that whoever benefits from it not existing will always find mental and even math gymnastics to prove they still need to suck you dry. no shit
>autonomy: the ability to make your own decisions without being controlled by anyone else
> the quality or state of being self-governing
you cannot hope to solve energy issues if every time you have a choice to get closer you literally refuse it after being duped by PR and shills posing as your peers on social media.
so, how do they tax the light from the sun?

[Anonymous No.15679566]

>>15679559
>so, how do they tax the light from the sun?
Energy consumption taxes have been around since before you were born, anon. There is a reason they stopped making libertarians: too stupid to live

[Anonymous No.15679585]

>>15679454
>also you need to safely discard an industrial byproduct.
It's magnesium hydroxide, dude. There are 99% pure deposits of it all over the world. It's used to improve crop growth. You can drink it if you want. Just face it, you don't know anything about the specifics of this powerpaste and it's viability.

[Anonymous No.15679599]

>>15679566
this is not about me personally being offgrid in the wild bro, it's about shit this enables. this is not either/or. it's a spectrum, a LEVEL of control. depending on that level you may enable or block useful shit

[Anonymous No.15679607]

>>15679585
fuck off faggot, you always have human consoom grade shit and industrial shit, FOR THE VERY SAME CHEMICAL FORMULA you fucking chimp.
it's about contaminants, and that shit is industrial type waste, under no way safe for human consumption, there's all kinds of extra oils in there for making it a paste.
you do realize how many retarded morons will try to use that as a supplement anyway, right?

[Anonymous No.15679611]

>>15679599
Wood generators have been enabling that spectrum for decades, anon. And you don't need to fuck around with batteries or wait until morning (though you do need to chop wood)

[Anonymous No.15679623]

>>15679611
let me introduce you to the concept of the internet, which enables wonderful things.
you see, we all have these devices, and they are connected in like a big network all over the planet, and when someone writes something from one device, others can instantly (~) see it all across the globe.
now, if we had RTSC network on the whole planet (yeah yeah I know), and strategically placed solar panels all around the globe, you could deliver that power, without losses, anywhere it's needed around the globe. no batteries. cables (rtsc) and panels. and let me tell you how much more efficient our panels can get, what you see today with panels is ~20% efficient, if that, at collecting solar power. there's good ways to go still.
now, I expect some proper mental and math gymnastics from you, please don't disappoint me

[Anonymous No.15679630]

>>15679623 me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-Asia_Power_Link

[Anonymous No.15679632]

>>15679623
"Dood future iterations of this will be great" is not a good starting point to argue that you should roll it out now, tho.

Based on the features you're talking about what you want is space-based solar power, and there's some incredible news on that front: a billionaire secretly invested a truckload of money into Caltech a decade ago, with the express purpose of figuring out how to launch collectors and then beam solar energy back to earth safely. And that investment has begun to bear fruit: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/in-a-first-caltechs-space-solar-power-demonstrator-wirelessly-transmits-power-in-space

[Anonymous No.15679634]

>>15674238
It's common knowledge in Germany that the only people who care about Dresden are Nazis.

[Anonymous No.15679637]

>>15679632
>>15679630

[Anonymous No.15679641]

>>15679637
Why would you pay to run deepsea power cable if you can have a rectifier station harmlessly receiving and distributing electricity from space, anon? Why are people so focused on the shittiest version of solar?

[Anonymous No.15679654]

>>15679641
big oil is laying pipes like there's no tomorrow, thin rtsc cables around the planet is really not heavy task, be serious.
the networks themselves already exist, and good chance most big places are already linked by some cable. if you'd just upgrade the existing infrastructure, and incentivize everyone to connect their panels to this station, you create the energy internet equivalent network. this is very doable, you just need to replace existing cables, which will happen anyway, without considering this goal. countries will just do it because why not lol. depends on price of material but if it has this type of interest it happens
you can then use your space panels to beam energy into this network if you don't really want panels on the ground.

[Anonymous No.15679680]

>>15679654 me
>on the ground.
you don't even have to plaster the panels all around cities. planet can have large farms on shit deserts in africa and such.
never even heard about using panels on the ocean. that's a huge possible collecting area. with rtsc you can use remote panels in all kinds of places, doesn't have to be a solar panel city dystopia

[Jealous No.15679709]

[Anonymous No.15679715]

>>15674302
>1500 [math]WH_e[/math]
>5.4 MJ/kg
>Higher energy density than gas

>>15674904
Hydrogen is difficult to store and transport. If you want it as a liquid you either need it to be at near absolute Zero or at ridiculously high pressures. If you're trying to store it as a gas you need it at high pressures to overcome its low density at STP. Problem is that you get hydrogen embrittlement in most materials you're making your tanks out of, so its not like you can just use any ond steel canister to hold it given Iron's body center cubic crystal structure.

>>15678406
>pumped hydro
meme

[Anonymous No.15679753]

>>15678862
>water tankTM
>exhaust pipingTM
>hydrogen generatorTM
oh goys... there is even more steps and more big heavy parts your car will need eheh

[Anonymous No.15679773]

>>15678862
>half of the produced hydrogen originates from the water which is the reason for the ultra high specific energy capacity of POWERPASTE
oh vey you wondered why the volume and weight of the needed water isn't included in my fancy diagrams >>15674302 goy? skill issue.

[Anonymous No.15679935]

>>15679680
And storing this energy in form of hydrogen is more efficient than storing it in batteries

[Anonymous No.15680172]

>>15679935
you wouldn't need batteries with superconductive cables, they'd just always deliver the power generated by the panels on the sunny part of the globe, all around the globe, in real time, no batteries.

[Anonymous No.15680214]

>>15674238
More vaporware scams that astonishingly stupid people will gobble up

At best this is more thunderf00t busted bait

[Anonymous No.15680295]

>>15680214
Nah, this will replace one use batteries as long as it is not ridiculously overpriced.

[Anonymous No.15680300]

>>15679634

[Anonymous No.15680319]

>>15674441
>So you would have to waste a ton of renewable energy to produce and store hydrogen using this method
you UNFORGIVABLE MORON green energy is a fucking worthless meme, power and reliability is everything.
stick the green shit up your ass

[Anonymous No.15680354]

>>15680172
super conductive cables are a fantasy, this is a reality

[Anonymous No.15680375]

>>15680354
fucking thunderfag pseud

[Anonymous No.15680392]

>>15680375
now cool it down to 93 K

[Anonymous No.15680395]

>>15680392
in this case your faggoted comment implies RTSC aren't even theoretically possible, which they are.
you can't escape the fact that you are a pseud, just embrace it.

[Anonymous No.15680398]

>>15680395
it's not realistic

[Anonymous No.15680407]

>>15680398
I don't get it, how is it not realistic? LK99 wasn't validated yet, at this moment we don't know.
you being high IQ is not realistic.

[Anonymous No.15680411]

>>15680407
why not use the solutions we have today (powerpaste) to solve the problems we are currently facing and later focus on moving towards a network of superconductive cables than span the globe?

[Anonymous No.15680425]

>>15680411
sure, you can use the paste. might have its applications no doubt. just that it doesn't make sense for EVs, and I certainly don't want any fucking stations in my city. you'll be able to charge your EV in any parking lot, really happy smelly gas stations will finally get the fuck out.
>why not use the solutions we have today (powerpaste)
we have no powerpaste today you moron, but we do have EVs.

[Anonymous No.15680442]

>>15680425
you won't have gas stations when you can buy it in a supermarket
we do have a working factory and can easily make more
there's no crazy tech involved
and EVs just need to be upgraded with fuel cells and the heavy batteries need to be dumped
less weight will also increase the range of the vehicle

[Anonymous No.15680457]

>>15680442
>you won't have gas stations when you can buy it in a supermarket
lol
>and EVs just need to be upgraded with fuel cells and the heavy batteries need to be dumped
less weight will also increase the range of the vehicle
if you are after the very high range market then maybe see your gas competitors? that's what you can take from the current market, whatever is left on gas because range needs. but soon will catch up to that level as well, with batteries, so is it really worth it for few extra years?

[Anonymous No.15680459]

>>15680442
>you won't have gas stations when you can buy it in a supermarket
you can't just put more in, like gas, you need to dump the spent one. you need a station, more involved than gas ones. extra storage for industrial waste, that you generate a huge load of in just a few hours of driving.
not only do you have to transport the paste to the station, you have to harvest and ship back the industrial waste product.
YOU FUCKING DOUBLE THE TRANSPORT FOR FUEL, ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE????

[Anonymous No.15680463]

>>15680457
i don't get why you would prefer less efficient batteries over a better and cheaper product

[Anonymous No.15680466]

>>15680459
you could return the waste material anywhere like you do with used bottles
it's the least problem to come up with a recycling solution

[Anonymous No.15680467]

>>15680463
>cheaper product
lol the audacity
this is not only not making any fucking sense, this is literally a fucking retarded solution. like one of those solutions to a problem that comes from a fucking dimwit who thinks he thought of something smart. and clearly, same mental profiles resonates with the idea

[Anonymous No.15680471]

>>15680466
you deliver gas, it goes into car, it gets used up and dumps byproducts in the air.
your paste needs to be collected after just A FEW HOURS of driving. that is a huge fucking load, you can't compare that shit to spent li-ion batteries, that shit builds up fast. you waste the volume of a tesla battery in 5 hours of driving, with magnesium bullshit. that is a lot of material, constantly needing collecting and shipping.
you just doubled the transport for gas, with paste. not one way, it's two way transport. this is insanely retarded, like really really really sub-chimp retarded.

[Anonymous No.15680807]

>>15680471
As with a lot of "alternative" fuels, the logistics doesn't really work out.

[Anonymous No.15680970]

>>15674238
>>15680807
Just forget about cars anon.
If it has as much energy density as gasoline this materials would work very well for cargo ships and long-haul flight planes. Generating hydrogen through electrolysis using solar and wind energy now makes sense.

[Anonymous No.15680973]

>>15680970
Another strike against vehicles.

[Anonymous No.15680974]

>>15680970
Execpt solar and wind have dogshit EROI, and hyrolosis is so lossy its probably not going to be economical

[Anonymous No.15680989]

>>15680973
>Another strike against vehicles.
A vehicle (from Latin vehiculum)[1] is a piece of equipment designed to transport people or cargo. Vehicles include [...] watercraft (ships, boats, underwater vehicles), aircraft (airplanes, helicopters, aerostats).
>>15680974
>Execpt solar and wind have dogshit EROI, and hyrolosis is so lossy its probably not going to be economical
Name 1 alternative net zero carbon energy source to this paste that can be used for big ships and airplanes. Protip: You can't. Electric and hydrogen-powered planes cannot do long haul flights.

[Anonymous No.15680992]

>>15680989
>Protip: You can't.
You're right, none exist. Which why unless it turns out there's large amounts of natural hydrogen we can extract and store, oil will be the only transport fuel we have until it runs out.

[Anonymous No.15680994]

>>15680974
see >>15674810
People KNOW hydrolysis is shit. Also an advantage of direct hydrogen generating solar cells is that their efficiency improves in hotter temps, vs photovoltaics losing efficiency.

[Anonymous No.15681002]

>>15680994
>>15674810
> but directly split water with sunlight
Okay that's interesting, but what's the efficiency of these systems? Where can i read up the technical details.

[Anonymous No.15681068]

>>15681002
>dois
>10.1038/s41560(DASH)023(DASH)01247(DASH)2
>10.1038/s41586(DASH)021(DASH)03907(DASH)3
There have been many, many strategies developed for direct hydrogen production, whether perovskite based or by other methods. Currently, the technology is at 1% efficiency, but understand that direct hydrogen production is at its infancy, and some researchers have produced methods which can be as efficient as 20% most recently. Which even with the past 20 years of research behind photovoltaics, bringing them to 30% efficiency in ideal conditions, even 20% would be more than enough to beat them with the electrolysis bottleneck. There have been other papers I've seen on it which came up with other schemes which show promise, but I can't find them atm.

On another note I think it's still retarded dois are STILL marked as spam on here.

[Anonymous No.15681111]

>>15681068
Its just the spam filter in general. But thank you, I'll read them later today after I get home from work.

[orange juice No.15681155]

>>15674817
>you know gas explodes, right?!

[Anonymous No.15681157]

>>15680425
gas is odorless we make it smelly on purpose for safety
>aauangg but my 1200 lb battery EV is going to get better
>reeeeeeeee you can't expect people to adopt hydrogen and then wait for it to be improved

[Anonymous No.15681271]

>>15679337
Fantasy: car visit station and takes a dump
Reality: People shit and piss into the dump, throw garbage dead animals and humans into the dump

[Anonymous No.15681274]

>>15674238
It will continue to not be funded because of low savings due to high taxation in Germany.

The government will not fund it because their goal is to destroy Germany.

[Anonymous No.15681357]

>>15678862
fix'd

[Anonymous No.15681365]

>>15674238
>you will buy ze cum paste

[Anonymous No.15681369]

pure capacitance gel is the future
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/125e71bc-557e-4ec4-baff-508001df2b9c

[Anonymous No.15681376]

>>15681365
Well you wanted it so badly, so here it is.

[Anonymous No.15681405]

>>15674441
this would solve seasonal storage if it was actually cheap to manufacture and could be reused with little degradation in the cycle (like batteries, batteries do have some waste because 1) they have a lifetime and 2) recycling batteries is not 100% efficient)

[Anonymous No.15681445]

>flight time with lithium-ion batteries 20 minutes
>approximate flight time with powerpaste 300 minutes (less weight + 10 times the capacity of li-ion)

[Anonymous No.15681477]

imagine e-bikes with 10 times the range of heavy li-ion batteries

[Anonymous No.15681502]

silent light weight off-grid power generators for camping

[Anonymous No.15681643]

>>15681477
are you dumb brother? do you not understand? what the paste implies? have you seen the diagrams? you can't fit what you imagine on a bike. it's not about the volume of the fucking paste, you get a few more that in other gear, container/reaction cell/piping and all that jazz lol.
what the fuck is wrong with you all? where the fuck are you coming from? are you all fucking retarded?
maybe planes, ships, remote construction equipment and such.
personal car, e-bike, e-scooters that's fucking retarded, aren't you fucking thinking like at all?
>wee this is awesoooome, will solve everything give me the paste now!!!!
that is not suspicious at all. conveniently you compare the volume of ONLY the fucking paste with the battery, where you really have a paste battery as it were, to consider, not just the paste itself morons. when you add up the container and cell and all the rest of the gear you're left with quite the heft. fucking idiots.
retarded pieces of putrid feces like you ok funding for retarded projects like solar freaking roadways, from taxpayer money, because your brain rotted away looong time ago

[Anonymous No.15681672]

>>15681445
Probably much more since you can load more paste and the weight of a fuel cell is negligible

>>15681643
Who do you think you’re kidding?

[Anonymous No.15681677]

>>15681643
you should read the papers before posting

[Anonymous No.15681711]

>>15681672
people shilling this makes no sense. everybody in this thread that is pro paste is retarded as fuck, has no scientific understanding. they are PR company hired to shill the tech on social media. a bunch of scientific illiterate morons having opinions on this tech.
>>15674508
>it's 10 times more efficient
like this
>>15676747
>and is cheaper to produce
sure but what about considering all the setup and delivery and collecting of the industrial waste from the paste. how much does it cost? it's not cheaper, it's more expensive per mile.
>>15680463
>i don't get why you would prefer less efficient batteries over a better and cheaper product
cheaper? are you retarded?
this is what I'm talking about, idiot who have no idea but pump the sentiment for social media. they are literally paid to do this, they won't "understand" scientific arguments. they'll just bypass any argument and repeat their script. they have no understanding of the subject beyond the scripts they've been given.
your bullshit hydrogen has an extremely HIGH cost, not only the paste, the whole system, the whole transport/recycling, autonomy is shit until you take a dump. this idiocy takes up so much of our resources just to accommodate big oil forcing you to pay for moving around, without having a choice. and it all stars with these scientific illiterate pieces of shit hyping this tech here, bypassing any argument, reason, or common sense.
>>15681677
yes it's a piece of absolute shit for EVs, it doesn't make any sense, it's more expensive, energetically, you consume more, pay more, for the same range with EVs. it's not cheaper, it's WAY more expensive, makes no sense how expensive it is.
take this example for prices, with sources for price. information is right fucking here >>15678144. they'll just deflect and repeat their shit script.
fuck you faggots with your shit piece of shit tech that you are shilling with no fucking shame

[Anonymous No.15681725]

>>15676747
>the paste is 10 times more efficient than lithium ion batteries and is cheaper to produce
the paste costs you 10x the price of EVs, per mile, are you insane? I don't care how many times it is more efficient, it's irrelevant. it can be 90% or 1%, doesn't matter at all, it's a detail meant to hide the real cost.
the storage per volume/weigth is irrelevant, what matter is price per mile. it's 10 times more expensive than EVs, doesn't matter how efficient it is. it cannot compete with EVs, it has similar range. and for higher range EV clients would have bought a gas car if they needed more, since they didn't buy a gas car now they pay 10 times less per mile than they would pay for your shitty paste, with no other advantage.
still didn't answer crucial questions. how long do I have to wait from cold start? full instant power as soon as I press the acceleration from cold start? are you sure?
what happens when I suddenly stop the car and walk away, is there an inertia to the chemical process in the cell? does it vent hydrogen during that time?
holy shit imagine getting this piece of shit, piss poor acceleration, 10x the cost, have to dump it every few fucking hours.
you must be insane if you are really considering this, there is NOTHING in this tech for EV, objectively nothing. if you are saying range one more time I'll shove my cock right in your worthless fucking soul. compare to gas cars if you are willing to make the range argument. not EVs

[Anonymous No.15681790]

>>15674441
>Hydrogen comes from fossil fuels or electrolysis
wrong
https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-hydrogen-earth-may-hold-vast-stores-renewable-carbon-free-fuel

[Anonymous No.15681791]

paste cars are still going to have li-ion battery packs won't they? admit it. they must have li-ion smaller pack. they will use the paste cell to recharge the battery, not offer instant power from the cell.
lol. they'll string you along and in the end you're going to get the shittiest possible deal, and you won't have a choice. you were happy for the tech, no pay up and and put up with all the bullshit it implies, sucker. also yes, you are not allowed to park your car in confined spaces as everything might blow the fuck up from that hydrogen leaks (which will happen unless you vent the hydrogen out of the system everytime you stop.

[Anonymous No.15681796]

>>15681790
>may
that's how they get you.

[Anonymous No.15681838]

>>15681790
no, you are wrong. that's nothing. that'a a dream. it may be true. it may not.
now let me ask you something else. do you think mined hydrogen will be cheaper when it gets to you? sold to you, will mined hydrogen be cheaper than the equivalent electrical energy? if you say yes, explain, break down the costs so we see.
also, fucking important, what do you think makes more sense, to have a mini-fission reactor in your trunk, or have a larger one that feeds that electricity to cars via cables?
more, what would you say the efficiency of that mining (huge carbon footprint to mine that shit), transport, refining, storage, transport to the expensive hydrogen station, then to you.
why not...and listen, use the hydrogen to electricity conversion, way more efficient at scale, in some power plant, and check this, you get that electrical current that results and fucking send it via wires to EVs. explain this, why wouldn't we use that hydrogen this way? way more efficient for a power source, than having all your trademarked paste and gear hitting the consumer. why the fuck would you put a reactor in a car instead of converting that hydrogen energy in a power plant and deliver via cables to EV?? fucking explain all this shit that doesn't make any sense.
you won't tho, none of you paste slurping faggots will address any of the real questions about this

[Anonymous No.15681848]

>>15681791
What are you talking about? You do realize all vehicles have batteries? I would think hydrogen cars would be able to have regular lead acid batteries since it's an active form of power generation vs charging up a lion battery.

[Anonymous No.15681859]

>>15681848
are you sure? 12V battery is for lights and shit, not powering the car.
what I'm saying is that the cell does not have instant power output on cold start. if I can't use it if I'm having an emergency that's kinda shit bro.
how can they modulate the chemical reaction so it offers instant full power on cold start? we all know they'll have a li-ion pack, maybe smaller, that the hydrogen bullshit will charge in time, just like one of those hybrid car which use the gas engine just to charge the batteries, nothing else.
so you will get the insanely expensive paste while also paying for a fucking li-ion pack, although maybe smaller than a regular EV.
kek, you are fucking morons I swear. like scientifically illiterate imbeciles.
I'm having a bad day bro, I'll rape your souls today if you act retarded

[Anonymous No.15681920]

>>15681859
Yeah, you are correct; with a fuel cell vehicle you will still need a decent sized buffer battery, though much smaller than a BEV battery; the Toyota Mirai has a 45 kg battery, for example. Which to be fair is not too bad; it is about the same as what you would find in a Prius, or other non-plugin hybrids.

That said, the paste poster is also still ignoring the cost of the fuel cell themselves; automotive grade fuel cells are expensive enough that the few automakers who have produced fuel cell vehicles - Toyota, Honda, Kia/Hyundai, etc are not willing to publish how much they cost to make. I have found statements from the head of Daimer-Benz R&D Markus Schäfer on why the company gave up on personal fuel cell vehicles a few years back to quote:
>[Hydrogen fuel-cell cars] are at least twice as expensive to build as an equivalent battery-powered car in the manufacturing.

I also find it amusing that someone would complain about rare earth metals in the opening post, and then argue for a solution that requires lots of fucking platinum group metals instead.

[Anonymous No.15681929]

>>15681920
yeah and I won't even press on it too much, makes sense it needs that buffer just to get you going until the reaction catches up. and the reaction inertia after stopping will just top off the battery. for me it makes sense like this.
I mean yeah, I keep saying the tech is interesting and has real applications for remote shit, I'm not denying that. what I'll fight you all at once on is on the argument of using the tech to replace battery EVs.

[Anonymous No.15681931]

>>15681920
They may still find usage in other areas, such as long haul shipping/planes. Cars as a concept altogether probably aren't even viable imo, even electric vehicles are shit and strain the grid when there's enough of them. The higher upfront cost means basically they should only be used in areas which batteries don't work.

[Anonymous No.15681944]

>>15681931
for planes I'm actually really interested in seeing what it could enable. right now electric planes have shit autonomy. there's some "enhanced" li-ion tech, some nano wires bla-bla I forgot, seem to be better than regular li-ion, still not much.
the thing is that if you really wanted to, with paste you could build clean sources. that is interesting, not denying that. paste fans just stop it with the personal EVs and get real.

[Anonymous No.15681951]

>>15681944
>you could build clean sources
in the sense that you really can't build a clean source for jet fuel. maybe you could do it but would be retarded.
but with paste, you theoretically could, which is interesting for planes.

[Anonymous No.15681964]

>>15674405

lol - good memories.

[Anonymous No.15681982]

>>15680295
I dm'ed thunderf00t. He said it was a scam and he's going to put out a video on it. It's related to one of his other energy storage busted video.

[Anonymous No.15682142]

planes wouldn't even need the smaller battery pack. startup / stop times are not critical for airplanes, they start idling anyway, for a few minutes before flying out.
and this could be a very good solution for billionaire's planes, they could show they are green by converting their planes to paste, and building green sources of energy for ALL of their planes/helis and boats and shit

[Anonymous No.15682804]

>>15681725
>the paste costs you 10x the price of EVs, per mile, are you insane?
it's significantly cheaper to produce than batteries. why are you talking out of your ass all thread long?

[Anonymous No.15682852]

>>15682804
The fuel cell you need to actually use the paste is more expensive than the batteries on an electric car at this point. The paste does not magically turn itself into electricity.

Plus the paste is something you would have to continually buy; you need to compare its cost to the price of electricity to charge an electric car's battery, not the battery itself. And given how expensive hydrogen is, in all likelihood running a car of this paste would be several times more expensive per mile than a similar sized BEV.

Having a more expensive initial price for the car itself, and a higher operating costs more than outweighs the single advantage the paste has, faster refuel times. Then of course there is the whole infrastructure issue; electric cars can piggyback off the existing grid, while the paste needs all new fuel stations. Plus with BEVs you only need enough fast chargers being built to handle long trips & apartment cucks; homeowners can handle their daily driving charging at home. Paste stations would have to cover everyone.

[Anonymous No.15683147]

>>15682852
Fuel cells are expensive because they are a suppressed technology, just like anything hydrogen related. There’s nothing extraordinary expensive about them

[Anonymous No.15683235]

what's crazy is that they've won the first prize for this technology back in 2013
that's all they get, a badge and a pat on the back but the technology is being kept suppressed

[Anonymous No.15683441]

>>15683147
>>15683235
What evidence do you have that the technology is being "suppressed" versus the technology just not being very good? I mean, the PRC has been spending a shit ton of money trying to reduce their dependance on imported oil, via stuff like their high speed rail, large subsidies for battery electric cars, and so on, since oil imports are their biggest strategic weakness. If this shit worked wouldn't they just copy it and use it? I have heard they have a a pretty capable industrial sabotage program.

[Anonymous No.15683745]

Quick post something good about hydrogen paste while the EV shill is distracted

[Anonymous No.15683862]

>>15681477
Are typical electric bikes really this expensive now? Christ, just buy a moped or heavy duty off-road bike at that point.

[Anonymous No.15683876]

>>15674238
Hydrocarbons are too good and will likely be the main fuel for fuel cell vehicles. Most hydrogen is produced by hydrocarbon reforming anyway. Fuel cell vehicles that can be fed hydrocarbons will btfo the batterycels

[Anonymous No.15683887]

>>15681982
The only way that is a scam is if the whole package of fuel cell and paste costs more in the long run than rechargeable batteries.
I wouldn't be surprised, while rechargeable batteries are not exactly cheap, the fact that the paste is one use can rise costs enough to make it a very niche technology.

[Anonymous No.15684119]

>>15683441
china is no argument. they all masked up and injected their citizen. they are on the same global agenda only some steps ahead in certain areas, and behind on others

[Anonymous No.15684773]

>>15683876
>Hydrocarbons are too good
I mean that's what animals use for energy and storage, so it is pretty good stuff

[Anonymous No.15684782]

>>15684773
How do you separate the hydrogen from the carbon?

[Anonymous No.15684799]

>>15684782
Cellular respiration

[Anonymous No.15684816]

>>15684782
Burnin

[Anonymous No.15684930]

>>15674238
except that using it requires hydrogen fuel cells. Even if we had the electricity to make all the hydrogen, we don't have the platinum necessary for all the electrolyzers to make hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.15684949]

>>15684930
you can use cheap carbon based electrodes such as graphite or grafoil instead of expensive metals

https://www.scielo.br/j/mr/a/NkfD9qsy4YKcDBV6YL5tzyL/?lang=en

[Anonymous No.15685045]

>>15684949
Not efficiently, no. If you can't do it efficiently, what's the fucking point? That journal is off suspicious quality.

[Anonymous No.15685084]

>>15685045
It’s very efficient

[Anonymous No.15685218]

>>15674238
Overengineering. By the time this goes comercial we'll be much closer to having relatovely low temp fuel cells using gasoline, ethanol or LNG. They want to use cartridges, because it is actually toxic since you can't just release the magnesium hydroxide. Imagine swapping cartridges every time you refuel and the wear of the hydrogen pipe joints, considering the fact that the swap is done by gas station workers. Also it has the issue batteries have. You don't lose the weight of the power storage medium over time. + it doesn't have energy density higher than gasoline since you also need to fill the water tank.

[Anonymous No.15685240]

>>15684799
Checked. This is what I'm thibking about. Methane fuel cell. gas stationin infrastructure, already exists for LNG. CO2 from fuel cell released in the atmosphere, then use pic related (https://www.ipcc-nggip.iges.or.jp/public/gl/guidelin/ch4ref5.pdf)) in aquaponics rice greenhouses to produce methane and rice.

[Anonymous No.15685295]

>>15685218
overengineering? it can't get more straight forward
water gets mixed with the paste and it produces hydrogen which gets turned into electricity via a fuel cell
you don't need gas stations since you could buy the product at supermarkets and switch the cartridges yourself in a matter of seconds

[Anonymous No.15685312]

>>15684782
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_reforming
>>15684799
Microbial fuel cells unironically use bacteria to produce electric potential

[Anonymous No.15685366]

Right so I'll buy 50kg paste jars from the supermarket (which is about the quantity of gasoline a fuel tank holds on a 4 seat car). Also the magnesium hydroxide will be heavier than he foam so I'll then I will have to lift it out of the car, without damaging the water and hydrogen pipe joints/seal and walk with it in the supermarket whenever I need to refuel. Buy an new 50kg pack oh yeah + an equal amount of water, and put those in my car. OK you can argue this is excessive, since the fuel cell has tops 60% efficiency. And the engine has 90% efficiency, so you'd get like 50% efficiency. So you'd only carry a half right cause car engine efficiency is around 30% (tho can approach 40%, but let's say it's 30%) and le powerfoam has higher energy density. You'd still need to carry and handle 25kg packs and an equal amount of water, let's say you recycle all of the water from the fuel cell (BTW more overengineering here), but that still means you need to handle 25kg, make it 30kg cause obviously these carriages must be sturdy enough to not leak hydrogen. This is assuming you want similar range to your average petrol car. Only way this technology works is if they give up the cartridge idea and they find a way to flush and collect the mg(oh)2 at the station before pumping foam into the tank again. You can make mg(oh)2 watery solution and just refuel with water at this point. Still it's overengineered for only about a gain of 20% fuel efficiency compared to a modern combustion engine. But mhh CO2. Go to wherever they produce MgH2 to breathe it in.

[Anonymous No.15685376]

>>15685295
Forgot to quote post
>>15685366

[Anonymous No.15685404]

I think the amount of produced hydrogen depends on surface area, so inside the paste should be spread along complicated structure to maximize contact with catalyst or smth.
that means you can't just swap the recipient, you'd swap the cell completely. or is the paste pumped in the cell, somehow? when it's spent does it need to be flushed with extra chemicals to clean the spent one before introducing fresh paste?
these microdetails can make or break the whole thing.
also just stop it with the supermarket retardation. you exaggerate the concept of waste product being something relatively harmless, without the added oils for the paste. that doesn't mean it will be sold at supermarkets, that's bullshit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.15685416]

>>15674393
brb brushing my teeth by candle light tonight, honey

[Anonymous No.15685426]

>>15685404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWwrmeulPg

No the hydrogen is produced in a different chamber, which in their current proposal is also the cartridge (which is dumb as I argued here
>>15685366). Then the hydrogen is collected and connected by a pipe to the fuel cell. They could just have a different chamber from the fuel foam tank for the reaction to take place it and then flush waste mg(oh)2 when refueling with foam and water at the gas... I mean the foam station. They also present this as an option for drones in the presentation lol, cause the higher energy density compared to a battery will ever compensate for strapping a fucking fuel cell worth of extra weight to the drone. + whatever they say the energy density is you can cut in half cause you'll always have to also carry that water too.

[Anonymous No.15685436]

>>15685426
the shit you come up with to try to sully this technology

[Anonymous No.15685454]

>>15685436
I think it can work for personal cars or taxis, but considering that by the time this will roll out my diet will be 40% ze bugs, 60% grain I really wouldn't want to have to lift 30kg from the supermarket to the parking lot and close to 50kg (mg(oh)2 has 2O atoms extra so it's gonna gain weight as it empties) from the car to the recycling collection point. It's foam. Pump it in my car and don't give me a workout. Fuck cartridges, the concept of the foam itself is refreshingly new, so I like it. It's gonna be exciting to see them on the road, but no weight lifting please.

[Anonymous No.15685470]

>>15685426
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWwrmeulPg
cool video

[Anonymous No.15685494]

Cool, that's where I work.

[Anonymous No.15685504]

>>15685426
they should have some small demo systems they sell. especially since they state 100W and up use.
how does a 300W unit look like? there's nerds that would try it in their projects.

[Anonymous No.15685533]

>>15674501
during the day, energy generation is maximum and usage is minimum. during the night energy generation is minimum and consumption is maximum.

you need to store day energy to use later at night.

[Anonymous No.15685611]

>>15685533
>you need to store day energy to use later at night.
not if you have rtsc cables between panels on the day side of the earth and consoomers on the dark side. not directly, clearly, they just all need to be networked with rtsc cables. this removes the whole battery storage thing. as in it minimizes it, to a large degree.

[Anonymous No.15685621]

>>15685611
how long do you reckon would it take to create a network of rtsc cables around the globe?

[Anonymous No.15685629]

>>15685621
isn't the network already created? most of the planet has some cable between larger cities. they just need to replace the cables from main arteries as it were, around the globe. and connect solar panels to this. you don't need to upgrade the whole planetary power delivery infrastructure, just key elements of it. laying cables is no big issue really, in the grand scheme of things, especially if it solves issues on this scale. having lossless power delivery around the globe to avoid using batteries is a pretty fucking awesome upgrade.

[Anonymous No.15685644]

>>15685629
we have a global network of room temperature superconductor cables?

[Anonymous No.15685670]

>>15685644
we have a global network of power delivery. maybe not optimized to do exactly that but there are cables between most large cities, maybe not all the way but the grid itself already exists largely, as a power delivery grid. you don't need to upgrade all of it, just key elements, at least at first.

[Anonymous No.15685676]

>>15674238
>>15674239
What does it taste like?

[Anonymous No.15685696]

>>15685644
you can check out this map I found on a quick search, for submarine cables that already exist. the network itself already exists, certain key elements need to be upgraded. we're not that far off such a feat.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/submarine-cables-full.html

[Anonymous No.15685702]

>>15685696
picrel if you don't wanna click that

[Anonymous No.15685722]

>>15685470
When will Thunderchad debunk??

[Anonymous No.15685749]

>>15685676
salty coins and milk

[Anonymous No.15685838]

>>15685722
>Chad No

[Anonymous No.15685967]

>>15685611
brother you don't understand cables.

you lose around 5 to 10% power in typical distances between cities. now your suggesting the globe. that's a lot of power loss. if you have a magical cable that has no losses then sure.

that's not the main issue. imagine if you need to perform maintenance. a terrorist attack in maybe a cable that is opposite side of the globe...etc

TLDR; the closer you are to the power source the more efficient it is. it's more efficient to store power in a powerplant close to a city than get power from the opposite of the globe.

[Anonymous No.15686000]

>>15685967
fuck's wrong with you bro? have you seen that map? do you understand to what degree everything is interconnected? of-course it makes sense to lay superconductive cables than copper, for the purpose of delivering power around the globe, from the day side of the globe. you're intentionally missing the point

[Anonymous No.15686039]

>>15686000
where are you getting those room temperature superconductor cables from?

[Anonymous No.15686043]

>>15686039
Korea

[Anonymous No.15686701]

>>15674238
>When German engineering outpaces your worldwide universal carbon tax conspiracy

[Anonymous No.15686730]

>>15674238
How long till a big oil company murders all the people involved and disappears their work

[Anonymous No.15686735]

>>15686730
I think they usually buy them these days

[Anonymous No.15686746]

>>15686735
They say “buy” like the Vikings said “trade” or the British said “civilise”

[Anonymous No.15687156]

>>15686730
they will cause "accidents" and "terror attacks" with it and then ban it because it's too dangerous

[Anonymous No.15687158]

>>15686730
>>15687156
>t. pic related
Medsnow.

[Anonymous No.15687500]

>>15685722
what's there to debunk?

[Anonymous No.15689199]

wonder why greta isn't talking about this

[Anonymous No.15690582]

bump

[Anonymous No.15690644]

>>15674238
how is the energy density compared to a 8 gallon tank of liquid helium? not even close right?

[Anonymous No.15690645]

>>15674238
how is the energy density compared to a 8 gallon tank of liquid hydrogen? not even close right?

[Anonymous No.15690706]

>>15690645
liquid hydrogen tanks are difficult to handle, weight a lot and don't come in small sizes that are suitable for drones, e-bikes, portable power generators, etc.

powerpaste stores hydrogen in form of magnesium hydride molecules but also releases the hydrogen stored in water

[Anonymous No.15691462]

>>15674238
Likely has better fuel cell applications for Moon/Mars over LiON batteries, due to mass restrictions.

[Anonymous No.15691534]

>>15690706
>small sizes that are suitable for drones, e-bikes, portable power generators, etc.
I don't see any paste products for that either. you're just supposing it's practical to shove the whole 500W-1000W into a small package, but I'm not seeing anything of the sorts, it's just wishful thinking at this point.
show me a fucking prototype for something like that before saying it's feasible

[Anonymous No.15693040]

>>15690645
>liquid hydrogen
Have fun keeping it cryogenic

[Anonymous No.15693113]

>>15690645
yeah if you read the thread it's not even close. the paste is 10% recoverable hydrogen by weight.
whatever energy density you get on liquid hydrogen, it's 1/10th of that.
granted you don't have the difficulty of liquid hydrogen, but it kinda ruins the initial appeal at the same time.

[Anonymous No.15694648]

>>15693113
At -252.87°C and 1.013 bar, liquid hydrogen has a density of close to 71 kg/m3. At this pressure, 5 kg of hydrogen can be stored in a 75-liter tank.

the paste stores 1 kg in 9-10 kg of paste