/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15637477]

Whats dangerous about raw farm cheddar? Is it just not goysloppy enough or is there something legit bad about it?

[Anonymous No.15637497]

>>15637477
Bacteria. That's pretty much it. If it's raw, there's not been pasteurization. Without pasteurization there can be health benefits, but then you run the risk of undesirable bacterial growth.

[Anonymous No.15637524]

>>15637477
it will ruin the taste of other cheeses which will henceforth be bland

[Anonymous No.15637561]

>>15637524
trvthnvke

[Anonymous No.15637601]

>>15637524
Pretty much, your population will demand you unban good French/Italian cheese, no one would buy local shit ever again

[Anonymous No.15637723]

Well you see, because the US is the land of the free it is completely illegal for anyone to sell raw milk products

[Anonymous No.15638665]

>>15637524
Is it really that much better than grocery store goyslop?

[Anonymous No.15638797]

I want to join the discussion saying that it's clearly because goyslop selling conglomerate yadayada but... I can't.

There's a big nuance here.
Pasteurization isn't a bad idea. Heat treatment kills pathogens, but doesn't have to be so hot to ruin the proteins. It's just reality.
This order is coming out of California. It's more about the nanny state attitude of California than it is out of some corrupt business practice. The concern is over salmonella, and concerns over salmonella has been so heavily exaggerated over the decades. Risk to very the young, the very elderly, and those with conditions- but god damn the stuff shouldn't be killing you. I'd eat it the "recalled" cheese, because I'm not ready to croak over a stiff breeze.

IF LABELLED CLEARLY the risk should be totally fine, and up to the consumer. The reason for the recall is stated "State testing showed Salmonella contamination." Like, no fucking shit, it isn't pasteurized, it contains you know, dairy cheese shit, aged for a couple months.

[Anonymous No.15638817]

>>15637477
>>15637497
Reminder that sale of raw milk was not banned in America until 1987. The ban was a clear cut case of government overreach, solving a "problem" that no longer existed anyway.

[Anonymous No.15638818]

>>15638665
you can't even call that cheese desu

[Anonymous No.15638876]

>>15638665
yes, americans who exist without access to good, real cheese aren't really alive as far as I'm concerned

[Anonymous No.15638889]

>>15638876
only in america (midwest) can you get a lb. of good real cheese for a fraction of an hour of minimum wage. The USA produces like 80% of the world's cheese by mass and that's not including "cheese product"- labelled such because of the US's leadership draconian laws on food- or weight added by starch in those shitty pre-shredded bags.

[Anonymous No.15639618]

>>15638889
keep coping burger-san

[Anonymous No.15639626]

>>15637477
do shartmerilards really?

[Anonymous No.15639681]

>>15638797
"Labelled clearly" is a big fat red sticker saying "NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" which is the same as any meat that you butcher yourself (or have a professional butcher) without paying out your ass to the USDA cartell

[Anonymous No.15639696]

>>15637561
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15639855]

>>15638797
>Pasteurization isn't a bad idea.
Yes, it is. Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.15639872]

>>15639855
Do you not cook your food?

[Anonymous No.15639887]

>>15639872
This is shifting the goalposts. I cook food for flavor, not to kill bacteria. Milk tastes less good and is less nutritious when pasteurized, as such I only drink raw milk.

[Anonymous No.15639924]

>>15639887
Yet pasteurization is done specifically to NOT cook the food. Due to the mild heat, there are minor changes to the nutritional quality and sensory characteristics of the treated foods, but it still destroys pathogens.

[Anonymous No.15639929]

>>15639872
>he cooks fruit

[Anonymous No.15639953]

>>15639924
>pasteurization is bad
>don't you cook your food?!
>not all food should be cooked
>pasteurization isn't cooking!
Make up your damn minds.

[Anonymous No.15640505]

>>15639887
>I cook food for flavor, not to kill bacteria
Lmao look at this silly vegan right here.
"How do I mention that I don't eat meat without saying I don't eat meat?"

[Anonymous No.15640511]

>>15637477
maybe something like raw milk with the amish, they can handle it but the rest of us cant anymore and we got used to processed stuff

[Anonymous No.15641480]

>>15640505
When I make steak I cook it for like 10-20 seconds on each side just to sear the outside and add flavor.

[Anonymous No.15641487]

>>15640511
That's bollocks

[Anonymous No.15641490]

>>15639626
>shartmerilards

[Anonymous No.15641831]

>>15638797
The way pasteurisation is applied for every fucking cheese in america and seen as a necessity tells more about how terribly raw milk is harvested and stored there than anything. I've been eating things like pic related for 35 years and never had any sort of food poisoning because of it (nor do I know anyone who did) despite being made out of raw milk. The only salmonella-related scandal I ever saw where I live was related to contaminated pasteurised milk.

I pity the souls who never had the chance of eating real cheese or perhaps they are lucky to never have to know what they've been missing for all that time.

[Anonymous No.15641890]

>>15641831
>The only salmonella-related scandal I ever saw where I live was related to contaminated pasteurised milk.
That's true in the US, too, our regulators are just retarded.

[Anonymous No.15641915]

>>15641831
>The way pasteurisation is applied for every fucking cheese in america and seen as a necessity tells more about how terribly raw milk is harvested and stored there than anything.
It tells you nothing of the sort. Raw milk wasn't banned until 1987. The ban was no in response to any need. The problem of unsafe milk killing kids was solved literally decades earlier when refrigeration became the norm.

[Anonymous No.15642075]

>>15641890
>>15641915
Goddamn, so it was a free "You can't have nice things" law? Fuck them.

[Anonymous No.15642242]

>>15638797
Wouldn't any unexpected microorganism make it turn wrong?

[Anonymous No.15642281]

>>15642075
Precisely. They banned it simply to take away something nice. A capricious exercise of power for the sake of exercising power.

[Anonymous No.15642323]

Enjoy listeriosis

[Anonymous No.15642365]

>>15639626
What’s with these nonsense slang terms made on the net? Fuck you people. Retarded.

[Anonymous No.15642375]

>>15642323
Retard, listeria is solved by refrigeration not pasteurization. Refrigerated unpasteurized milk is safe. Pasteurized milk that isn't refrigerated IS NOT safe. Refrigeration, not pasteurization, is what stops people from getting listeria.

[Anonymous No.15642416]

>>15641890
>are just retarded.
corrupt

[Anonymous No.15643381]

>>15641480
>sear the outside AND add flavor
So you DO do it to kill bacteria

[Anonymous No.15643475]

>>15643381
Searing is what adds flavor.

[Anonymous No.15643490]

>>15643475
And killing bacteria is just a convenient side effect, eh?

[Anonymous No.15643499]

>>15637477
Some ting wrong? I wait.

[Anonymous No.15643570]

>>15638797
Yeah, I just love diarrhea from my cheese.

[Anonymous No.15643654]

>>15642375
Listeria grows below 4C/40F though. Especially if there's an iron source (dirt, blood) in a nasty ass one.

[Anonymous No.15643661]

>>15643654
A nasty ass fridge*

[Anonymous No.15643690]

>>15643654
It grows slowly, that's why you drink it in a timely manner.

[Anonymous No.15643755]

>>15643490
I have no fear of bacteria. I eat raw milk, raw cheese, raw eggs, plus all kinds of fermented foods. I actually do eat raw liver as well (I just swallow a sliver of it like a vitamin), but the reason I don't eat most meat raw is purely for taste an texture reasons.

[Anonymous No.15643770]

>>15637497
Bullshit. It's just some lobby making profit from this at the sacrifice of the manufacturers of this shit and their product.
As always.

The US government never intervenes unless a lobbyist profits.

[Anonymous No.15644446]

>>15637477
>is there something legit bad about it?
no profits for the wall street goyslop corporations

[Anonymous No.15644587]

>>15637477
Forbidden caramel

[Anonymous No.15646240]

>>15641490
>>15642365
Eurofags on the internet have terminal autism, just like /pol/tards blame their failures on jews outcasts in Europe blame their failures on Americans. We're a scapegoat to them.

[Anonymous No.15647688]

>>15646240
Theres nothing wrong with disliking other countries and nations, its perfectly normal. What ridiculous are the people in America who chimp out at the phrase "Make America Great Again".
Why does the idea of improving their own country get those people so angry?

[Anonymous No.15647720]

>>15641831
Do you live in italy? Looks like really good cheese

[Anonymous No.15647931]

>>15646240
trvthnvke

[Anonymous No.15647981]

>>15647688
IT WAS HER TURN!

[Anonymous No.15648523]

>>15638817
>>15643770
The solution then, would be to make government much smaller.

[Anonymous No.15648534]

>>15637497
>kill all bacteria
>add bacteria to make cheese
what did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15648596]

>>15637477
Raw = not pasteurized = illegal to sell
Checkmate libertarians

[Anonymous No.15648602]

>>15637497
Bullshit. It's just some hippies making profit from this at the sacrifice of the manufacturers of this shit and their product.
As always.

The US government never intervenes unless a tree hugger profits

[Anonymous No.15648605]

>>15641480
I also enjoy blue rare steak.
High quality beef becomes much like sushi in many ways

[Anonymous No.15648732]

>>15648534
You use rennet and occasionally mold to produce cheese, not bacteria. If you're adding bacteria you fucked up.

[Anonymous No.15648740]

They say the same thing about raw milk too, they spent years trying to ban it. I’ve drank it everyday for the past 17 years. Just more lib lobbying bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15648868]

>>15637497
Ironically, pasteurized dairy has a much greater chance of undesirable bacteria growth precisely because it's sterilized and any bad bacteria has nothing stopping it from overgrowing. In raw dairy there's a much wider variety of good bacteria present which out-compete the bad bacteria and keep the food safe.

[Anonymous No.15649843]

>>15646240
Jews are who is causing the trouble both in American and Europe.

[Anonymous No.15650471]

>>15647688

[Anonymous No.15650500]

>>15648868
But it's a fairly simple task to package the pasteurized dairy with no contaminants in which case there is no risk of undesirable pathogens.

[Anonymous No.15650511]

>>15646240
True, and I'm not American. The inferiority complex is too cringe for me.

[Anonymous No.15650515]

>>15650500
And yet...
https://rawmilkpolicy.wordpress.com/information/pasteurized-milk-outbreaks/

[Anonymous No.15652059]

>>15638797
>Pasteurization isn't a bad idea
It destroys all the enzymes, damages nutrients, breaks the organic ionic bonds between nutrients and minerals, produces toxins, water is lost, fat is lost, the fat swells, and much more. It's one of the many ways they create nutritional deficiencies in the population and reduce our ability to handle the tens of thousands of industrial toxins we encounter on a daily basis. We develop diseases and mental illnesses as a result, and the medical industry makes a massive profit selling us ineffectual "solutions" that will at best mask a symptom while further toxifying our bodies. When I started eating everything raw and fermented, my health improved like never before. I've been eating 1.5 month old salmon recently and it makes me feel amazing

[Anonymous No.15652109]

>>15652059
proof

[Anonymous No.15652115]

We're not supposed to consume cow milk as we're not baby cows anyways We don't need dairy, it just tastes good. I doubt cavemen consumed animal milk.

[Anonymous No.15652131]

I fucking love cheese so much it's unreal

[Anonymous No.15652504]

>>15652131
are you a mouse?

[Anonymous No.15652529]

>>15652115
The cavemen who didn't come out of africa drank milk, and probably did very well because of it.

[Anonymous No.15653531]

>>15652115
you jack off even though your hand can't get pregnant

[Anonymous No.15653534]

so we SHOULD jack off and we SHOULDN'T pasteurize dairy because... le reasons?

[Anonymous No.15653546]

pasteurized milk and cheese causes larger inflammatory responses. look it up, its fucking true

higher rates spontaneous abortions and low birthweights are recorded in animal studies whose babies are fed on pasteurized versions of their mothers milk

the fda is intentionally trying to kill people

[Anonymous No.15654074]

>>15653546
are those studies perchance only on american dairy products?

[Anonymous No.15654095]

>>15654074
the studies are international. other countries pasteurize their dairy now too.

[Anonymous No.15654100]

>>15654074
its because of the denatured proteins. like realistically this could have been figured out by anyone with half of a brain, but you know, the government actually wants to kill people so...

I mean, just read about denatured proteins for a bit

[Anonymous No.15654106]

>>15654100
is it actually harmful or just not as beneficial as nonpasteurized dairy?

[Anonymous No.15654115]

>>15654106
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/denatured-protein

>Adsorbed and partially denatured proteins attract inflammatory cells and redirect, prolong, or enhance the wound healing process around implants.

note that if there's nothing to heal... think about what inflammation does

uh oh. looks like the fda is trying to kill you. dont worry, I am sure a diversity hire nigger that can't do multiplication will find a way to fix all of this

[Anonymous No.15655362]

>>15637477
it steals profits from the goyslop jews so it needs to be outlawed

[Anonymous No.15655647]

>>15638817
True and real. It would be far better just to mandate a clear label that says the milk is raw and must be consumed that very same day, or pasteurized and can last at least a weak when refrigerated.

[Anonymous No.15656513]

>>15655647
>clear label that says the milk is raw and must be consumed that very same day, or pasteurized and can last at least a weak when refrigerated.
Anon, fresh raw milk lasts as long in the fridge than pasteurized milk from the store. You definitely don't have to consume it the same day.

[Anonymous No.15656783]

>>15643570
you're lactose intolerant because you're a negro

[Anonymous No.15656791]

>>15656513
You don't have to consume it the same day but
>fresh raw milk lasts as long in the fridge than pasteurized milk from the store
is factually just not true. It's the very reason why "Ultra Pasteurization" has caught on. Shelf life is a huge for producers. They don't want product to spoil before it gets purchased.

[Anonymous No.15656913]

>>15656791
In general, you are referring to a terribly bad business practice of overproduction. Businesses all strive for just in time delivery to meet demand. The idea of overstocking and sacrificing quality to hit a target is simply not how it works. There is a lot of fat in grocery stores and walmart.

[Anonymous No.15656916]

>>15656783
There's no lactose in properly fermented cheese.

>>15656791
I understand that the actual total shelf life is different, but I'm talking about the shelf from the point of sale. Pasteurized milk has a much longer TOTAL shelf life, but it still only lasts a couple weeks from when YOU get it from the store because it was sitting around for however long being stored and shipped and sitting around before you bought it. Fresh raw milk also lasts a couple weeks, the only difference is you're getting it direct from the farm so it hasn't been sitting around as long so YOU are the one directly experiencing that total shelf life. And all this is without going into the fact that pasteurized milk spoils differently from raw milk. If pasteurized milk sits in your fridge too long it becomes inedible and makes you sick, whereas if raw milk sits in your fridge too long it just ferments and becomes perfectly edible clabbered milk.

[Anonymous No.15658265]

>>15652529
humans have been drinking milk since before the dawn of recorded history, the practice might go back millions of years for all we know

[Anonymous No.15659461]

>oy vey, don't eat fresh food goys
>eat this manufactured estrogen fill manure wrapped in plastic instead
>t. "the science"

[Anonymous No.15659607]

>>15643381
...What about the raw middle?

[Anonymous No.15661178]

>>15656916
negroes can't digest dairy products

[Anonymous No.15661206]

>>15646240
>Eurofags on the internet have terminal autism,
It's brown third worlders who post that, retard. Have you not noticed the word anglo or westoid being used in much the same way?

[Anonymous No.15661309]

>>15652109
Read dr weston prices studies on tribal peoples raw foods and grest health

Then look at western diets cooked foods poor health

Then try raw milk yourself and feel your vitality grow

[Anonymous No.15661779]

>>15661309
This is based advice, I wish more people were willing to do real research and experiment on themselves.

[Anonymous No.15661819]

>>15661309
and lots of meat

[Anonymous No.15662398]

>>15637477
>oy vey don't eat the basic foods that your people have been consuming for hundreds of generations and that you're evolved to subsist on.
>eat goyslop instead

[Anonymous No.15662425]

>>15662398
You have no understanding of evolution

[Anonymous No.15662428]

>>15656913
That's how you get shortages

[Anonymous No.15664225]

>don't eat natural products goy
>muh soience knows better

[Anonymous No.15664756]

>>15662425
Nothing to do with the anon you're replying to. But prove evolution. Provide definitive proof that we evolved from monkeys.
>We share DNA
We also share DNA with bananas.

Horseshit.

[Anonymous No.15664771]

>>15637477
cheddar tastes like shit. americans must have burnt taste buds

[Anonymous No.15664776]

>>15638797
>Pasteurization isn't a bad idea
For dairy it is, it destroys the product making it worse for your health

It's so simple to make dairy safe, have hygiene standards and perhaps add strands of beneficial bacterial that will protect the product

[Anonymous No.15664782]

>>15652115
>We're not supposed to consume cow milk as we're not baby cows anyways We don't need dairy, it just tastes good. I doubt cavemen consumed animal milk.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/831469-the-mongols-consumed-a-steady-diet-of-meat-milk-yogurt

[Anonymous No.15664783]

>>15639872
Not all of it, in fact I let it rot for some like cabbage (like sauerkraut)

[Anonymous No.15664887]

>>15664771
cheddar is cornish, not american

[Anonymous No.15664948]

>>15664783
getting cabbage to ferment is different from l letting it rot. in fact the process involves steps to specifically block out bad bacteria
I make sauerkraut at home
and I would pasteurize just like how I sanitize when I can food

stop acting like eating cheese is "natural". cheese doesn't occur in nature, we have to make it. cheese isn't natural. drinking milk of another creature isn't natural, drinking any milk that isn't directly out of the mammary gland isn't natural. IT MAKES SENSE TO ELIMINATE PATHOGENS BEFORE YOU EAT THINGS

>>15664776
adding beneficial bacteria works and is tasty but it is a different taste, it's a different process that doesn't exclude the separate use of pasteurization.

[Anonymous No.15665070]

>>15664776
>perhaps add strands of beneficial bacterial that will protect the product
Not even necessary, the milk is already inoculated with beneficial bacteria which will out-compete the bad bacteria as long as you store it properly (refrigerated).

[Anonymous No.15665073]

>>15664948
Women store breast milk in the fridge for future use without boiling it and not a single person questions it. The only things that get sterilized are the bottles. Why should we boil cow's milk?

[Anonymous No.15665094]

>>15665073
We don't boil cow's milk we pasteurize it and we do it because it eliminates pathogens.

[Anonymous No.15665108]

>>15665094
>ACKCHUALLEEEEEE the temperature doesn't reach the boiling point of water so it's INACCURATE to say it's being boiled!!!!!!
Shut the fuck up, you know exactly what I mean. Women don't ~P~A~S~T~E~U~R~I~Z~E~ the breast milk they pump out for their babies, they just put it directly into sealed bags and into the fridge. The bottle and nipple are boiled for sterilization and then the milk is simply poured in and fed to the baby. So why do we need to ~P~A~S~T~E~U~R~I~Z~E~ cow's milk? Do you think human breastmilk is naturally sterile? Because it's not.

[Anonymous No.15665136]

>>15665108
Breastmilk has only 3-4 days before it goes bad.

[Anonymous No.15665213]

>>15665136
Simply false.

[Anonymous No.15665244]

>>15665213
now pull up the stats on how long pasteurised milk can last

[Anonymous No.15665283]

>>15665244
Moving the goalposts.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-long-is-milk-good-after-expiration-date#how-long-is-it-safe-to-drink
>Some evidence suggests that pasteurized milk should remain fresh for 2–5 days after its sell-by date and 10–21 days in total.
And this matches what I've been saying this whole time. When you buy milk at the store, it's usually within a few days of its sell-by date. Functionally, there's little difference between buying pasteurized milk from the store and fresh raw milk from a farm when you're considering only the amount of time it will stay good in YOUR FRIDGE AFTER PURCHASE. Pasteurized milk has a longer TOTAL shelf life, but it spends the majority of that shelf life getting to you through storage and shipping.

Speaking of my own experience with raw cow's milk, I've kept fresh raw milk in my fridge unopened for up to 2 weeks past its sell-by date without it tasting or smelling off at all; the difference in shelf life FROM THE POINT OF PURCHASE is not as drastic as you think it is.

Now, yes, there's UHT and aseptic milk as mentioned in that article as well, and those last much longer (30-180 days total depending on the method), but those are also ruined to a degree that no one should ever consume them. All the protein is denatured, all the vitamins are gone and have to be replaced with synthetic "fortification," all the fat is damaged and de-coupled from the lactose it's supposed to encapsulate... It's not worth drinking UHT milk at all, it doesn't even taste right immediately from the store and that should be a huge red flag to anyone.

[Anonymous No.15665294]

>>15665283
>Moving the goalposts.
no, the "goalposts" have never changed.
pasteurization isn't a bad idea. It destroys pathogens.
>there's little difference between buying pasteurized milk from the store and fresh raw milk from a farm
and you're clearly agreeing that pasteurization isn't a bad idea now.

[Anonymous No.15665303]

>>15665294
>no, the "goalposts" have never changed.
What you just did up there was a pivot to distract from being so wrong about the shelf life of unpasteurized breast milk.
>and you're clearly agreeing that pasteurization isn't a bad idea now.
How did you gather THAT from what I said? If raw milk and pasteurized milk have the same shelf life from the point of purchase then raw milk is strictly better because it's unadulterated. The only benefit of pasteurized milk is that it can last a long time before the point of purchase but that just contributes to over-production and needless waste. Milk should come from local farms and not be shipped halfway across the country after being ruined for the sake of corporate convenience.

[Anonymous No.15665329]

>>15665294

[Anonymous No.15665330]

>>15664887
Pretty sure cheddar is from Somerset, but they're about as ugly and retarded of a lot as the Cornish, so that isn't too far off.

[Anonymous No.15665340]

>>15665303
brother we've been ignoring your point about it lasting as long in the fridge because it's such a desperation cope that we wanted to just let it be.
My milk was bought at the 1st and expires on the 18th. You can't do that with raw milk, simple as.
You've gotten into talking about "what it should be..."
yeah power to local farms :fist pump: but this isn't /pol/
this is /sci/

[Anonymous No.15665362]

>>15665340
oh shit

[Anonymous No.15665363]

>>15665340
>all scientific progress MUST be praised even if it ruins the quality of our food and overall health
>caring about food quality and health is /pol/
Pasteurizing milk is bad because it sacrifices food quality and individual health for the convenience of over-production.

[Anonymous No.15666752]

>>15665330
Cornish a race and a nation, not some lines on map drawn by jews in London. Somerset is Cornish

[Anonymous No.15666785]

>>15664887
>>15666752
>cheddar is cornish
Chedder gorge is literally in zomerset?
But we claim clotted cream and pasties as our rightful property. and complaining about the English as a national sport.


>>15665330
Wot ee want?

[Anonymous No.15666828]

>>15665330
You what cunt? Somerset is one of the whitest counties. I wasn't expecting to open this thread and see my county brought up.

[Anonymous No.15666846]

>>15666752
>Somerset is Cornish
Does this mean we also get to have bilingual signposts in a language no one can speak to feel special?

[Anonymous No.15666870]

>>15666828
>thread literally about cheddar
>surprised somerset is relevant

It's not like cheddar is your only notable cheese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoqblIoJCE

[Anonymous No.15667983]

>>15666846
>can't even speak his own native tongue
>speaks globohomo english instead
sad and all too common

[Anonymous No.15668531]

>>15667983
Written English is actually based on a dialect closest to somerset.

[Anonymous No.15668576]

the idea of unpasteurised hard cheese ie. cheddar being illegal when raw milk is legal is so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.15669216]

>>15668576
don't eat the traditional food that have sustained you kind for thousands of years, goy
eat goyslop instead, eat the bugs goy

[Anonymous No.15669291]

>>15668576
neither of them should be illegal, just labelled, but that's politics, not science.
and look at >>15669216 trying to poison the well associating pasteurization with eating bugs and goyslop

[Anonymous No.15669312]

I remember reading that cheese made with unpasturised milk can be healthier because of the naturally antimicrobial compounds within it like lactoperoxidase that are destroyed by pasteurisation.
It encourages a very different fermentation that unless your hygiene is very high like big commercial industries leads to less healthy cheese

I think his applies more to hard cheeses than soft cheeses

[Anonymous No.15669681]

>>15669291
Pasteurized milk can hardly be considered milk any more.

[Anonymous No.15670231]

>>15658265
Somehow we survived drinking milk and eating cheese for thousands of years before pasteurization was invented

[Anonymous No.15670243]

>>15670231
Somehow we survived wounds for thousands of years before sterilization was invented.

[Anonymous No.15671319]

>>15670243
Animals survive in the wild to this day without (((healthcare)))

[Anonymous No.15671452]

>>15671319
And animals under the care of humans and their technology can live much longer

[Anonymous No.15672483]

>>15665094
>because it eliminates pathogens.
name one of those pathogens without looking it up

[Anonymous No.15673626]

>>15665340
somehow or other we had the technology to have the milk man deliver fresh milk daily 100 years ago and today you have to drive to the goyslop store to buy plastic milk that lasts two weeks. also the milk today is still more expensive than it was 100 years ago regardless all the (((progress)))

[Anonymous No.15673631]

>>15648868
>>15650500
>>15650515
i mean... isn't the clear solution here pasteurization and reintroduction of microbes that don't cause disease/accelerate rot/infest all the product?

[Anonymous No.15673646]

>>15673631
No, for 2 reasons:
1. Beneficial and benign microbes cause the souring of milk (see: clabbered milk, kefir, yogurt), so even if you selectively reintroduced just those microbes you would remove the extended shelf-life afforded by pasteurization, meaning you destroyed the quality of the milk for zero added benefit.
2. If you're going to reintroduce microbes you may as well just not kill them off in the first place, raw milk already has a stable ecosystem of microbes which allows beneficial or benign ones to flourish and out-compete the pathogenic ones, especially when refrigerated.

[Anonymous No.15673660]

>>15673626
I too wish that i could be delivered milk from a farm that is in a walking distance from my home.

[Anonymous No.15673682]

>>15673626
We had milk men delivering milk daily 100 years ago BECAUSE milk did not have a long enough shelf life to be used without that kind of daily direct-to-consumer delivery.

[Anonymous No.15673683]

>>15673660
I have raw milk delivered to my home every 3 weeks from a farm that's 480 miles away. I order 3 gallons and it arrives still fresh enough to last the whole 3 weeks until the next order. That's the real miracle of modern technology.

[Anonymous No.15673685]

>>15673646
hmm... what about packaging a sample of the microbiome separately, to be added at home? preserve it when you ship it, restore the microbiome when it's shipped?

[Anonymous No.15673703]

>>15673685
What about yoghurt?

[Anonymous No.15673707]

>>15673683
>raw milk
>lasts three weeks
how?

[Anonymous No.15673709]

>>15673707
IT JUST DOES, OK
>slurps chunky milk

[Anonymous No.15673783]

Regulating food quality is good. No one with three digits totheir IQ would say otherwise.
I don't want Sheckelberg LLC. selling me feaces infested sawdust as hamburger meat, thank you.

[Anonymous No.15673786]

>>15673783
That's why I only buy tenshi certified products

[Anonymous No.15673814]

>>15673783
>i don't want to eat goyslop
>shops at the goyrocery store
lol

[Anonymous No.15673818]

These are two different anons by the way:
>>15673783
>>15673786

[Anonymous No.15673863]

>>15673707
Refrigeration in a sealed plastic jug.

>>15673709
Nope.

[Anonymous No.15674096]

>121 outbreaks were traced back to dairy products. From those cases, raw dairy products were responsible for 73 outbreaks, 1,575 ill individuals, 202 hospitalizations, and two deaths. Comparatively, pasteurized products were responsible for 48 outbreaks, 2,842 ill individuals, 37 hospitalizations, and one death. In a per-pound-consumed basis, raw milk products were responsible for at least 100 times more outbreaks, ill persons, hospitalizations and deaths than the pasteurized products.